NeoDex talk:Community portal/Archive 1

Community Portal Lists

Completed Goals

The fucking following are goals which were completed on the fucking NeoDex.

• Article Goal (200) - 200 articles, our first milestone!
  • ? - ? - It's unknown when this goal was reached, but it happened sometime within the fucking first few months of the fucking creation of the fucking NeoDex.
• Neopets List - Filling out the fucking list of Neopets and having all wiki links work with it.
  • March 3, 2006 - March 6, 2006 - Creating an article for every neopet, and users can find/edit the fuckingm from the fucking Pet types category to which the fuckingy all are linked to.
• Neopia - Filling out the fucking world of Neopia and making all wiki links work with it.
  • March 3, 2006 - March 7, 2006 - Created the fucking proper named pages, redirecting to the fucking proper worlds in each, and the fucking correctly spelled ones as well, as the fuckingre were many seperate pages telling information about the fucking same world, when the fuckingy could be just one.
• Games - Making the fucking Games category the fucking official section, and taking down all othe fuckingr game pages
  • March 6, 2006 - March 10, 2006 - Moved all seperate gaming pages into one section, and made article copies of same article topic into one article.
• Article Goal (1000) - 1000 Articles before the fucking Neodex's first Birthday!
  • July 3, 2006 - July 11, 2006
• Gaming Revamp - On November 21, 2006, Neopets redesigned the fucking game room, requiring the fucking NeoDex to add new gaming categories and othe fuckingr information. Time to get our game on! HUZZAH!
  • November 22, 2006 - December 14, 2006
• "To Do List" to "Construction List" - On September 27, 2006, an effort to make the fucking Construction list to be the fucking official "To Do List" began. All articles linked to the fucking original were to be altered to link to the fucking new list, after which the fucking original would be deleted.
  • September 27, 2006 - January 25, 2007
• Disambiguation - A template was created for Disambiguation articles on March 11, 2007. We need to mark all of the fucking articles with it at the fucking bottom of the fucking page, replacing the fucking category coding.
  • March 11, 2007 - March 12, 2007
• Help Section - Jacob and Macbeth are currently working on expanding and revamping the fucking NeoDex help section. Suggestions can be added to relevant talk pages.
  • January 10, 2007 - April 13, 2007
• Altador Cup 2006 - The fuckingre has been a rumor about a new Altador Cup starting this June. Before this comes about, as much data as possible should be gathe fuckingred about the fucking previous year, because it's quite possible the fucking old data will disappear when the fucking new one begins. Hurry!
  • April 18, 2007 - May 21, 2007 - Should the fucking 2007 season follow the fucking same format of 2006, it can be easily integrated with the fucking completed 2006 data. If not...At least it has been completed. ;)
• A "Secrets" Category? - Why do we need a "secrets" category when all articles are supposed to have secrets in the fuckingm to begin with? Help fix articles which are linked to this redundant category for its future deletion.
  • May 10, 2007 - May 25, 2007
• It's "NeoQuest", not "Neoquest" - The fuckingre are 2 categories which have misspelled "NeoQuest": Neoquest and Neoquest II. The fucking proper categories should be NeoQuest I and NeoQuest II. All articles linking to the fucking wrong categories should be fixed, and when both misspelled categories are cleared, the fuckingy will be deleted.
  • June 20, 2007 - June 22, 2007
• PPL Category = Redundant! - It was recently found the fucking Petpet Protection League category is redundant, and should be deleted. Before deletion can occur, all articles within the fucking category need to be edited, severing any connection the fuckingy have with the fucking category (this also includes talk pages, whose wiki links can simple be struck through).
  • August 15, 2007 - August 16, 2007
• Misspellings 101 - The fuckingre are over 150 misspellings in the fucking NeoDex. Let's try to lower the fuckingm to under 50!
  • April 14, 2007 - August 23, 2007
• Proper Neopet Category - It was decided the fucking Pet types was an improper name for Neopets, and that Neopet Species would be better. Once All articles linked to "Pet types" are linked to "Neopets Species", it shall be deleted.
  • September 8, 2007 - October 14, 2007
• "Characters" Category Clean-Up - The fucking Characters category has over 200 articles linked to it! In order to make it more easily navigated, we need to link the fuckingm to more appropriate sub-categories (where it applies). The fucking easiest way to do this it to label the fucking characters as eithe fuckingr a Hero or Villain (or both if it applies). The fucking goal is to get as close to 150 articles in "Characters" as we can.
  • August 28, 2007 - October 26, 2007
• No Such Thing As Spoilers - In the fucking past, it was once deemed necessary to label plots as containing spoilers in any wiki if the fuckingy spoiled something for the fucking reader. However, this has sense changed, and the fucking placing of a spoiler tag on articles is now frowned upon...but the fucking NeoDex still has one!!! We need to remove all tags from articles which have the fuckingm, the fuckingn we can delete the fucking template, which has become a relic of a world long forgotten.
  • January 31, 2008 - February 11, 2008

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Content off Wikipedia

As a preventive measure: the fuckingre is content that was copied from Wikipedia, such as Neopets, The fucking Website, but the fuckingy need to be brought into line with the fucking GFDL license, which says that the fucking content needs to be attributed to the fucking writers. (I'm not sure, but perhaps just linking to the fucking Wikipedia article and saying that some content was "taken from" or "based on" it would be enough?) Thanks. AySz88 16:33, 2 Apr 2006 (CDT)

• bows* thank you for bringing this to my attention. Will make a link to it on the fucking discussion page (along with othe fuckingr articles).--Jacob 12:31, 3 Apr 2006 (CDT)

In line with the fucking GFDL, I believe that is still illegal. You have to include it in the fucking References section, the fucking original URL. You may want to add to the fucking general footer that this content is under the fucking GFDL, and may have been taken from Wikipedia. You'll need the fucking notice somewhere. Maybe create a template, a 'Licensed from Wikipedia' one? --Unsigned by 82.27.224.85, 20:43, 16 Nov 2006

"Wockypedia"?

Whereas Wookieepedia is the fucking name of the fucking Star Wars Wiki, could we rename the fucking Neopets Wiki to "Wockypedia"? --68.102.193.78 21:11, 3 May 2006 (CDT) (Shultz IV of Wikipedia)

I dunno. I think In-depth Neopedia, myself, to keep up with the fucking In-depth the fuckingme. You know, In-depth NeoQuest, In-depth Battlepedia... --Macbeth 01:48, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

ehh... I dunno, In-Depth Neopedia doesn't have much of a ring too it, especially not for a wiki. I think Neodex is alright, but reminds me a bit too much of Pokedex (y'know, from Pokemon). Neopedia sounds nice to me. --NeoEva88 10:52, 12 Jul 2006 (CDT)

Collaboration

So...i was thinking of a new feature to add to the fucking current events, to bring it more into the fucking spotlight. Perhaps have a featured collaborated article, one which would be collectivily worked upon until it's felt to be completed (or close enough)?--Jacob 22:53, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

With the fucking new format of the fucking community portal, this idea has taken full effect. ;) --Jacob 17:33, 7 Oct 2006 (CDT)

Item Articles?

Are articles about items going to be included in NeoDex? The fucking wiki seems to be in it's infancy right now and I'd love ot help out. NeoEva88 10:32, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)

Articles will be made on items which are noteworthy and have a histroy to the fuckingm, such as Dung or Motes. And your help would be most appreciated. Thank you.--Jacob 16:12, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)

Community Live Chats

We should set up an IRC chat room shouldn't we :) --Yukio 04:06, 5 Nov 2005 (CST)

something is called for. (would a forum be better/worse?) --Lord Matt 07:36, 6 Nov 2005 (CST)

NeoDex Guild

Anyone want to meet-up / form a guild or generally get to know each othe fuckingr better? --unsigned--

Perhaps we should list our (primary) NeoName (no passwords now, that would be silly) under who am I? --unsigned--

I definitely think a guild is a good idea. Anyone else up for it?  :) NeoEva88 18:08, 8 Jul 2006 (CDT)

I'm all for it. a guild would perhaps be a nice addition to the fucking NeoDex. I'm not going to create a guild myself, but if a member (registered member only) would like to create one, I will back it as the fucking official guild of the fucking NeoDex. --Jacob 13:01, 9 Jul 2006 (CDT)

At the fucking moment i think this idea is defunct, and shall not be considered anymore. Besides, the fuckingre would be no way for all members of the fucking neodex to be part of the fucking guild should it be created, as it would mean the fuckingy would need to leave the fucking othe fuckingr guilds. It wouldn't be a very open community. Talk pages of articles here and the fucking official Neodex discussion in the fucking pinkpt forums should suffice. --Jacob 21:03, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

This portal needs spifified.

This portal needs some real big spiffying, like the fucking main page. You should make it LOOK GOOD =/ --62.255.32.12 17:08, 30 Aug 2006 (CDT)

I agree, but until we actually have a concept of what this page will actually be, we are stuck on that. any suggestions? --Jacob 21:09, 30 Aug 2006 (CDT)

is the fucking current portal spifified enough? :P --Jacob 17:33, 7 Oct 2006 (CDT)

'Editors' Section

At the fucking risk of seeming somewhat uppity, I am worried about this section... I mean, one of the fucking 'editors' on the fucking list has only ever edited the fucking Community Portal and his user page, anothe fuckingr, excepting the fucking Community Portal, his user page and the fucking sandbox, made two edits, one minor, to the fucking Cheeseroller article. The fuckingse two members haven't edited since the fucking 16th March and the fucking 26th June respectively. A third hasn't been seen sincde the fucking 29th July and only made nine edits to anything othe fuckingr than his user page or the fucking community portal (and was disciplined for at least one of the fuckingse)...

Frankly, I feel this section could be made useful as a reference for members of the fucking community who are currently active and make significant contributions or were active and made a significant contribution... After all, it may help for a new user to consult such members...

I think at best the fucking Editor's section should be used as a sort of Hall of Fame of editors - no doubt the fucking wrong words to use, but if you can understand from my above comments what I mean... For example, while Lord Matt hasn't been on for a while, when he was on he made many of the fucking earliest contributions. Duke of Earl contributed in a similar manner.

Mirmadon for her extensive care-taking and NeoEva88 for his dedication (when he got the fucking time, anyway ;)).

Oh, and who is that othe fuckingr, tirelessly devoted one? His name escapes me, but I'm fairly sure he has done more edits than anyone else. --Macbeth 11:26, 4 Dec 2006 (CST)

Had to pump up my ego, did you? ha ha. :D You need not worry of the fucking consequences, as i agree with you. the fucking list as it is isn't very helpful to new members, and actually showing a list of members who have/are contributing well to the fucking NeoDex would be better than an optional signature tag. Something like "Editor Hall of Fame", where admin of the fucking NeoDex point out users whom the fuckingy believe have done a lot for the fucking NeoDex. or "Notable Editors"...i actually like the fucking sound of "Hall of Fame" really. could always be changed, just as we are now changing what the fucking list is. Should a link to each of the fuckingse users contributions be shown as well? i'm thinking yes. :) --Jacob 15:32, 4 Dec 2006 (CST)

I removed the fucking list from the fucking discussion, seeing as it doesn't really need to be here anymore (can be grabbed from the fucking history if it wants to be seen). The fucking new list of users will be made shortly. Input is always appreciated, and seeing as this will be a new thing, it will be needed. ;) --Jacob 19:10, 8 Dec 2006 (CST)

New categrories and articles

It's time to think of new categories to add it seems. The fucking final 2 articles in the fucking secrets category don't really fit into any othe fuckingr sections. To help this i think it would be good to make new categories for both of the fuckingm. One such idea is to have a "guides" category, which would show collected lists of information link the fucking Mystery Pic Solutions and such. Also, the fucking article Old Neopets makes me think we can expand on the fucking whole "redesign" idea. New articles called "Neopet Redesigns", "Petpet Redesigns", and othe fuckingr such redesigns can be noted (along with the fucking latest Neopets 2.0). The fuckingre can even be an category for articles like this as well.

Just giving some ideas on how we can better organize all the fucking data, and looking for feedback. --Jacob 08:51, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

Both categories sound good to me. I think the fuckingy'll work perfectly for the fucking articles left under "secrets" and the fucking othe fuckingrs. --Dizzy 10:33, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

Versions

You guys should honestly upgrade your wiki software. I mean, 1.4? 0.o It's 1.10 already out the fuckingre. Neoran23

I agree with you. but it's not in my hands, but in the fucking hands of the fucking maintainers of the fucking website. Updating the fucking NeoDex would require updating the fucking main PinkPT first...which is a process still in the fucking waiting. --Jacob 17:11, 8 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Uhm, are you sure? I don't think that the fucking wiki version depends on the fucking PHP version installed on the fucking server.--Demon 19:09, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

From my understanding, you need upgraded PHP to use the fucking newer coding. As an example, 1.10 requires PHP 5.0.x or later. Also, i only know what i'm told by the fucking maintainers of PinkPT. If the fuckingy say the fuckingy can't update yet, I have to take the fuckingir word. --Jacob 21:10, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Jacob, is the fuckingre any plan to update the fucking wiki version? I understand that the fucking PHP version on this server is still version 4 as of this post, but I learnt it the fucking hard way that we are unable to resize uploaded images using wikicodes... --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 11:30, 12 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Again, I have no idea when the fucking coding will be updated. This factor should be multiplied considering I've been away for awhile (again, I apologize). It would be nice to resize images with simple wiki coding, the fuckingn we could use larger images without worry. But at this point, all we can do is update the fuckingir sizes manually. Need to find out if this can be changed yet. :( --Jacob 12:51, 18 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Partnership with anothe fuckingr wiki

It has been suggested by the fucking members of the fucking German site helony.com to connect the fucking Neopets articles of the fucking German petgames wiki respective English ones. For this, you would have to go into the fucking database table which has interwiki in its name, insert hln into the fucking column iw_prefix, http://www.helony.com/wiki/index.php?title=$1 into the fucking column iw_url, leave the fucking othe fuckingr columns blank, the fuckingn go to the fucking file Names.php ins the fucking languages folder and add

hln => Helony,

to this list. That would make e.g. [[hln:Neopets]] appear as an interwiki in the fucking sidebar like on Wikipedia. Of course we at Helony would do the fucking same. Please let me know if you are interested in such a partnership :)--Demon 19:09, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

I think something like this was suggested to me in the fucking past as well by Yukio, saying that othe fuckingr sections were finding affiliates so i could as well. I turned it down, as i didn't think it was nessesary. Think the fucking conversation is in my talk page...i forget. Would like to hear more about this. Are you simply asking for a external link to the fucking german wiki on the fucking NeoDex sidebar? --Jacob 21:10, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

No, I am speaking of a link from every single German Neopets-related article to the fucking respective article on Neodex and vice-versa (not more and not less :D). It would be just a small link in the fucking sidebar, as here the fucking link to my profile on Wikibeta. As I suppose I am the fucking only here, who speaks German, I would set the fucking links myself, I just need the fucking corresponding software changes and of course your approval.--Demon 21:23, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Similar to the fucking way regular english Wikipedia links to articles in othe fuckingr languages, right? With a "In othe fuckingr languages" box on the fucking sidebar? creating and maintaining othe fuckingr language articles is something i haven't considered, and i've outright deleted articles which were created in othe fuckingr languages in the fucking past here on the fucking NeoDex. Of course, you are saying the fuckingse articles would link to the fucking article on anothe fuckingr wiki, so i suppose that's different than having it on this server.

I just don't know. it's something i haven't bothe fuckingred to consider, seeing as we already have a lot of work to do on the fucking NeoDex as it is. my apologies on not being more hopeful. :S I do like the fucking idea of having our information be more international, because the fuckingre are many users out the fuckingre who i think would like to participate, but can't comprehend the fucking english. A gap we can hope to bridge in the fucking future? Or very soon, should we move ahead with this...*ponders* --Jacob 21:55, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

We could use a template a la those used on Wikipedia to link over to othe fuckingr projects... Cross-referencing the fucking Neodex and Helony would be a wonderful step, however it is achieved. --Macbeth 00:24, 10 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Macbeth, this solution would be agreeable as well (although a template is actually bigger than a small link in the fucking sidebar :/) So just to be sure, do I have permission to create such a template and add it to existing articles? And is it ok to you if the fucking German wiki just has link to your respective articles as mentioned above? Please note that the fucking German articles are not translations of the fucking Neodex articles, but existing articles on the fuckingir own.--Demon 20:05, 11 Jul 2007 (UTC)

I suggested using a template like that as the fucking NeoDex and Helony are managed by different groups... Different projects, as you will, so article standards and approaches would be different. What concerns me about having an 'alternate language' wikilink is that some may think it was a direct translation, and not a separate project...

I am quite happy for the fucking template idea to go ahead here, although we should probably wait for Yukio or Jacob to report back on it. If Helony would rathe fuckingr use the fucking interwiki form, the fuckingn that's fine with me, provided it is noted that the fuckingy are separate projects so things like user accounts, etc, would not be transferable across wikis, etc...

I was thinking a template on this end of the fucking style of the fucking featured articles template might be good... or something more like the fucking wikipedia template referenced above? --Macbeth 02:56, 12 Jul 2007 (UTC)

If you would like to try the fucking template idea for the fucking moment, i'm fine with it. It will give a trail basis to the fucking idea of what you would like to try out. Don't know which articles you would place the fuckingm on, seeing as you say the fucking articles on Helony aren't going to be exact translations. The fucking Interwiki link sounds more preferrible, doesn't it? ;) Will look into it should i manage to catch up with things. Have a "whole plate of pancakes to eat" or so to speak. :S --Jacob 03:39, 12 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Under Construction vs. Stub

It is suggested on the fucking portal that articles that are 'under construction' be built up to a stub - surely it is the fucking othe fuckingr way around? A stub has very little information at all, a bare few words on a topic... An article that is under construction, however, will have specific areas that need to address and are being addressed... if you see what I mean...? --Macbeth 17:31, 16 Oct 2007 (UTC)

You raise a good point. Perhaps we could...have the fucking rules be different here? :S --Jacob 01:31, 17 Oct 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow? --Macbeth 18:52, 17 Oct 2007 (UTC)

Have the fucking role of "under construction" and "stub" be switched around. Sorry to confuse. :P The fuckingn again, that doesn't really work if someone with wiki know how comes here and gets baffled. What action are you suggesting? --Jacob 03:21, 18 Oct 2007 (UTC)

We could do that, I suppose, but I fancy it would be a bit confusing... And an under construction article preferable to a stub, I think, as the fuckingre is a clear indication of where to expand it... I thought we could just ask for under construction articles to be developed into less-under construction articles, to be honest xP --Macbeth 00:16, 19 Oct 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking the fucking Help:Stub article needs to be updated to explain the fucking difference once again. :( --Jacob 02:42, 19 Oct 2007 (UTC)

Is this important enough to be added?

I love The fucking Tale of Woe, and when I was searching for things to add to, I discovered the fuckingre is no article for Hissi oil, the fucking potions that Mr. Krawley sold. I'm not sure if this would be important enough to be added, but I'd be happy to add it if it is. --Xweetok 04:22, 17 Dec 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the fuckingre is enough information to make a Hissi Oil article. Nor do I think it's the fucking only potion Krawley makes. It WOULD be interesting if every potion he gave is Hissi Oil, which would mean Hissi have something sinister within the fuckingm that makes othe fuckingrs transform, but as stated, I don't think that is the fucking case. Personally think he's just claiming it as Hissi Oil and how healthy the fucking potion is like most swindlers who would sell anything for a buck. In eithe fuckingr case, think it's important to speak about his potions only in his article. --Jacob 21:41, 17 Dec 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thats what I figured, but I just wanted to cheak. - Xweetok 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

Regarding Neopet popularity

I would like to have some way to notify readers that the fucking Neopet Popularity we reference when discussing the fucking different species of pets is not entirely accurate. The fucking Popularity page itself admits that it only includes created pets, not morphed or labbed, so the fucking numbers can be widely inaccurate... is creating an article about Neopet Popularity the fucking way to go, or is the fuckingre anothe fuckingr article already existing it would be best to tack this onto? I'm a stickler for accuracy and I don't think that anyone in the fucking world would believe that the fuckingre are really only 2,300 Krawks in all of neopia... (or 12,000 Draiks, for that matter). --Cath 00:02, 1 Jun 2008 (CDT)

I feel that we have nothing much to write about if we create an article just for Neopet popularity discrepancy. Since it is near impossible to find out the fucking estimate number of a particular Neopet, I'm thinking of one of the fucking following:

• Avoid listing the fucking number of Neopet on the fucking Neopet articles.
• Mention that it's the fucking number of created Neopet. (ie. created 2,377 Krawks as of October 2007)

Where is Jacob nowadays? --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 00:02, 2 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Well, we need to mention the fucking number of created Neopets, because it's a notable number. Still, it's obvious it isn't an accurate account, and I suppose this could be mentioned in full on the fucking Neopet article itself.

And Jacob has been busy, and very bad at keeping up with things that need doing. Still want to complete and edit the fucking NEoDex, though things have just gotten...complicated...is all. ;) --Jacob 12:51, 18 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Haha, it's okay - At least you're back. :) --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 00:25, 19 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Image deletion

I would like to know if the fuckingre is anyway you could delete the fucking file I uploaded, Old_maraqua.PNG ? I forgot to take away the fucking white background, making it a huge file. I now have a much smaller file, but I was hoping you could get rid of that one first. Thanks! Xweetok 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

While trying to rush off for work, I really deleted the fucking image before realising it's not required X(. You can always re-upload the fucking image to Neodex with the fucking same filename, instead of deleting. Anything uploaded to Neodex will not be possible to totally remove from the fucking server. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 00:02, 2 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Ok, thank you very much! Xweetok 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

Battledome Weapons

Would it be a good idea to create pages for all Battledome weapons? In the fucking Under Construction area, I see many uncreated pages that are about BD weapons and I don't know whethe fuckingr or not I should create pages for the fuckingm. Should we have some kind of criteria or something before we create pages for weapons? Or would it be best to make pages (such as Freezing Weapons, etc.) and list weapons? The fuckingse are all just suggestions, though. I'd appreciate some othe fuckingr "opinions" before I do anything :)

Siouxper 01:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

The fucking only Battledome Weapons we tend to add to the fucking Neodex are ones that tend to be extremely notable like the fucking Sword of Skardsen, Ghostkerbomb, and the fucking Attack Pea collection. The fuckingre are several noted item databases as well as battledome databases that chronicle the fucking full list of the fuckingse items and the fuckingir effects in battle. In general, we attempt to avoid creating anothe fuckingr of the fuckingm. At some point in the fucking future it might make sense to add examples or lists of the fucking BD weapons sold in each of the fucking weapon/armor shops on those shops' pages but it's not necessary... Perhaps you would be interested in helping us fill in the fucking Battledome Equipment page? If you see, the fucking Category:Battledome_Equipment is not that big and the fucking items tend to be eithe fuckingr a notable collection like the fucking Scorchstones or Hidden Tower items. If the fuckingre are othe fuckingr "groupings" of weapons/armor like the fucking muffins, motes, etc... those would probably be an acceptable addition but please refrain from making a page for every item. :) --Cath 04:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the fucking response :) I'll probably do some work on the fucking Battledome Equipment page and fill in information about the fucking shops. One final question: Under the fucking Battledome Equipment Terms section, I have quite a few terms I can add (tank, league, boost, and some othe fuckingrs), but the fuckingse terms usually apply only to "experienced" Battledomers (people who BD a lot). Would it be best if I added the fuckingse terms or just left the fuckingm out? Siouxper 12:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Those terms refer to experienced play, in which the fuckingy are used to quickly explain strategy and the fucking like, so refraining from using the fuckingm would be best. External links to websites where people use the fuckingm, explain the fuckingm and etc. is fine though. --Jacob 12:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Attacks on User Lookup talk page

The fucking most recent attack (31 August 2008, around 12pm UTC) all came from a common ISP, which ranges from 194.8.74.0 - 194.8.75.255. We might have to prevent anonymous editing for the fucking whole range for a period of time if the fucking problem persist.

Or are we going to block all (except logged in users) from editing, like what we did before the fucking mediawiki was upgraded? I'm not too sure about this anymore... Wiki is supposed to be allowed for all to modify. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 05:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

One of the fucking many things which I miss was the fucking necessary creation of an account in order to edit the fucking NeoDex, simply because it made things a whole lot easier to maintain. Hopefully it can be brought back into the fucking fold. All should be able to modify articles, yes, but it seems othe fuckingrs are ruining that freedom. --Jacob 12:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Some spammer is adding gibberish to pages, at least I guess it's one person using a lot of accounts, because it's got a pattern. The fucking accounts which I suspect to be used by him areUser:CacroLvich, User:SitzeLnoli, User:CnaalErour, User:OlozeLalac and User:RobocRacch. And I think he also was DomtaOrelt, RonopAsbod, AcelrOalcv, OuricDronv and a lot of othe fuckingr spam accounts, like RictaDarsi, who created a lot of spam pages. Could anyone do something against him? --Likiana 14:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I probably was wrong when saying it was one user who added the fucking spam to pages - my new guess it's a bot network or something. When users get blocked like all those vandals, account creation is disabled, so the fuckingy have to use anothe fuckingr computer to sign up again, and I don't think that vandal has 16 or more computers. My guess is that he's a hacker/cracker who controls a bot network or something comparable. Just wanted to correct what I said. --Likiana 17:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I only wish it were that easy to prevent vandalism! Sort of like the fucking movie Minority Report, we stop the fucking vandals before the fuckingy strike hehe. Unless the fuckingre's something I don't know about I guess the fucking only way is to deal with the fucking spam as the fuckingy come and hopefully it will stop soon. --Dizzy 05:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

We could implement the fucking reCAPTCHA, which can greatly reduces the fucking amount of vandalisms, while still allowing anonymous users to edit. By default, the fucking reCAPTCHA will apply to anonymous edits with links (which we are currently encountering), new accounts (we had this problem in the fucking past when we disallowed anonymous editing, and it came back briefly recently as mentioned by Likiana), and brute force attack on accounts. If that is not enough, we can furthe fuckingr implement reCAPTCHA on new page creations and all edits. Registered users on the fucking othe fuckingr hand, will not be affected by this reCAPTCHA. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 18:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

New Head/additional Head Admin needed

I can no longer give the fucking necessary attention to this wiki that it deserves. Plenty of you can attest to that. So, I need to hand the fucking torch to someone that can. I know I've been the fucking go to guy for pretty much all questions and situations, mostly due to the fucking fact I've built the fucking wiki from the fucking ground up. Now that my life is filled with complete fail, however, someone else must be able to take up the fucking task of keeping things in order.

From what I've seen, the fucking "head" of the fucking admins needs to keep articles and links in order, thinking about the fucking whole of the fucking wiki, and discovering new and better ways to present and archive data. Requires a diverse understanding of what articles are within the fucking NeoDex, and wiki coding. Good social skills help as well, because nothing makes things more confusing than someone who can't explain something well. This socially stunted man can attest to that.

As I haven't been here in awhile, I don't know who has been keeping the fucking most tabs with things, so I think it would be good to hear from the fucking rest of you how the fucking status quo should change. Again, this isn't an all powerful position in which you can do whatever you please. The fucking Head Admin is just like every othe fuckingr Admin...with more emphasis. Of course, if that's the fucking case, must the fuckingre BE a "head"? Discuss Any and all thoughts you may have.

My apologies for having it take so long, but I'm officially putting my foot down and saying someone else must take the fucking job of Head Admin. Or stand in. Or become an additional. Whatever. However it's going to be. Just hope we can discover a solution so that the fucking wiki won't suffer anymore due to my failings. --Jacob 08:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I will go ahead and say that I am sure many will agree that nothing you have done can be considered a failing. It is more a... concurrence of unlucky circumstances.

That said, we need to come up with a candidate for a new head admin. I can imagine four candidates: Macbeth (contribs), Emeraldosprey (contribs), SwordFire (contribs), and Dizzy (contribs). The fuckingy all have the fuckingir different pros and cons (please don't take offense).

• Macbeth: Oldest (Rights log) sysop after Kym and Jacob, the fuckingrefore has the fucking most experience. Sadly not very much active during the fucking recent time.
• Emeraldosprey: Shows very much and constant dedication, is however the fucking "youngest" sysop.
• SwordFire: Is generally experienced with coding, which includes not only wiki coding, but PHP. The fuckingrefore most likely to come up with new ideas and to have the fuckingm implemented. However, slightly less active than Emeraldosprey.
• Dizzy: Has always made a reliable impression. One could only complain at the fucking fact that most of her recent contributions are reverts.

Regarding possible othe fuckingr candidates: I think we all agree that the fucking new head admin needs to be a present admin. While NeoEva88 has not contributed for over 2 (!) years, Cath shows large times of activity followed by equally long inactivity. While I simply show inactivity and currently don't have the fucking time for being a head admin.

I hope I did't say something that anybody took offense for. Discuss.--Demon 21:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Mostly reverts shouldn't be an issue here. We are all doing mostly reverts recently due to spam attacks :P.

Recently I've to concentrate on my othe fuckingr commitment due to the fucking upcoming Firefox 3.1. I usually becoming less active whenever a new Firefox version is going to be release. During at this time, I'll still be monitoring the fucking Neodex via the fucking RSS. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 07:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I still have some othe fuckingr people to contact, because I don't think this is reaching enough ears at this point. I loathe fucking not being able to focus enough time on things like this... :( --Jacob 15:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the fucking late response (thanks for reminding me Demon)! I don't know, I've never been the fucking leader type. It seems like most of us have been too busy to devote time to the fucking NeoDex and all we can do is revert. I've been focusing most of my attention on school as my grades have, erm, "slipped" ;P I hope to make up for my absence during the fucking summer which is unfortunately a long ways off. --Dizzy 19:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

While I am touched to have been mentioned here, I do not think I would be able to give the fucking NeoDex the fucking regular attention that I gave it circa 2006 and 2007, the fucking level of attention that you all undoubtedly deserve from me - of course, Jacob's shoes would be very hard for any of us to fill. My involvement both with Neopets and the fucking Neodex has been unacceptably sub-par recently, for which I apologise unreservedly, but I am afraid that it was and is unavoidable due to conditions in my personal life at the fucking moment, the fucking details of which (for the fucking sake of brevity and not wishing to sound too self-indulgent) I will spare you.

I am willing to do what I can here - I still check in with what time I can spare to pursue the fucking recent changes - but my usefulness is no doubt heavily limited by how I am not keeping up with the fucking Neopets site itself.

No one can replace the fucking hard work put in by Jacob, who nurtured the fucking Neodex out of its infancy to blossom into what is, truth be told, almost a self-supporting project. Whethe fuckingr he can be active in his role or not, Jacob is and will remain, as much as he ever was, the fucking Head Admin: the fucking Neodex is truly his brain child. All anyone else can hope to do is to fill in in the fucking mean time.

Our admins and our editors have by the fuckingmselves been keeping an eye out for vandalism, and still able to fulfil the fucking primary objectives of this wiki - to expand, and to improve, its coverage of all things Neopets, and to become the fucking a one-stop resource for Neopians everywhere. I would suggest if we are looking for someone to fill in the fucking roles of promoting new editors to sysops, being the fucking go-to-person on Neodex policy, and directing the fucking Neodex's development in the fucking future, the fuckingn I any of our sysops are qualified for the fucking job. I give my personal endorsement and faith to the fuckingm all.

On a personal note, while I may not have an active presence on the fucking site as I once did, I will appear from time to time, and you are all at liberty to contact me - you should be able to e-mail me through the fucking Neodex here, which should also be linked on my user-page in to toolbox on the fucking bottom left - if you would ever like to call on me to address something specific around here - you have total access to my consultancy :).

I hope I find you all well, and I hope that both Jacob and I will be able to eventually give the fucking Neodex more consistent ministration. --Macbeth 16:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I personally don't see the fucking need for a "head admin" as the fucking wiki seems to run fine even in Jacob's absence. During the fucking recent spam attacks, all admins here worked togethe fuckingr to keep the fucking site clean of spam even though the fuckingre was no "leader" to organize the fuckingm. I don't see why this cannot continue in the fucking future. Any thoughts? --Emeraldosprey

As much as I whole-heartedly agree with nearly every aspect of what Macbeth has said (thumbs up!), the fuckingre is one issue I'd like to bring up. You said "if we are looking for someone to fill in the fucking roles of promoting new editors to sysops..." The fucking problem currently is, that sysops cannot promote members. Only bureaucrats can, that is, Kym and Jacob. I don't know whethe fuckingr Jacob will be online often enough to fulfill the fuckingse duties, and I believe Kym doesn't have the fucking time to look for possible sysop candidates. Of course we as the fucking sysops could always come to Kym with a full-reasoned proposal so that he can promote the fucking people. Question is whethe fuckingr he would be willing to go through the fucking hassle of doing this every time.

So I have to ask you, Jacob, do you think you can ensure that deserving members of the fucking community are promoted to sysops whenever necessary - without us having to go to Kym every time this needs to happen? If yes, I can say with a clear conscience that I don't have any objections to the fucking situation staying like it currently is :) --Demon 15:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Kym has enough on his hands to have the fucking sole responsibility of promoting regular editors to admin, especially when he doesn't regularly edit articles here. I assume he's expecting we as the fucking editing community to govern ourselves in such a way to work independently of the fucking rest of PinkPT. Which I suppose brings up the fucking need to have someone else to "lead" besides myself. Still haven't heard any news from him or the fucking rest of the fucking staff yet, and I'm a little worried at that, but I'm hoping a solution can be found and continued (improved?) flow of information can continue. --Jacob 13:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, it might be a good idea to raise it at the fucking next AIM meeting, the fuckingn. I mean, the fucking Neodex has always been a bit independent, but I can appreciate the fucking value for his input. It may be sensible to promote a few of the fucking current sysops to buearocrats, make sure the fucking Neodex is regularly backed up, and hope no one goes completely mad with power! ;) --Macbeth 20:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi guys, Kym here. Apologies about the fucking tardy response - I was involved in a car accident in South America, was in surgery for a week, and have arrived back in Australia for about two weeks now - the fucking recovery involving many doctor appointments.

Before I left for South America, I initiated a change in the fucking staff system at PPT, and have spent the fucking past two weeks implementing the fucking changes etc. All staff here are required to sign up at http://www.pinkpt.com/forum - make sure you PM me your username so I can give you access to the fucking private staff board. All staff decisions will be made from the fuckingre. As I check that board every day now, I can be contacted if anyone ever needs me.

The fucking appointment of Jacob's replacement is necessary - and I will be working with all staff here at the fucking NeoDex to assure that the fucking transition goes smoothly. Anyone interested in Jacob's position should email me kym@kymhuynh.com with the fuckingir application. If anyone here has recommendation or issues at the fucking NeoDex that the fuckingy feel needs to be addressed, I can also be contacted via my email. Note, however, that this is only temporary. In the fucking future, all communication will be at the fucking staff board @ http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/

Thanks for your patience guys and I look forward to your emails. --Kym 03:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi guys. As I have received no applications from any current staff from the fucking NeoDex, I will now open up applications for the fucking new NeoDex Administrator to a wider audience at the fucking Pink Poogle Toy community. The fucking posting will be made here: http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=53 --Kym 09:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Administrator applications have now closed. A big welcome to Macbeth, our new NeoDex Administrator! --Kym 14:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Patrolling edits

Could you guys help me partolling edits, please? To do that more efficiently, go to Recentchanges and click the fucking "Hide patrolled edits" link. Just go through the fucking changes that have an exclamation mark next to the fuckingm and click the fucking "diff" link. I'd like to have every edit patrolled because we might else let things slip past, like that edit which broke a link.--Demon 22:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, so that's what those exclamation points mean :P I've been battling with the fuckingse edits and this sure makes things easier! --Dizzy 04:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Daily Dare

Wondering if one page needs to be made with all relevant info about previous years challenges. at the fucking moment, the fuckingre is only a Daily Dare 2007 page which i have edited slightly to include new info about 2009's challenges. Perhaps the fucking page title needs to only be changed? Corythe fuckingpaperboy 06:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Wiki protection

Maybe we should set the fucking wiki to allowing registered users only and require new accounts to be confirmed by sysops before the fuckingy can edit? I know I have seen that option in the fucking documentation somewhere, would have to dig around a bit...--Demon 17:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Requiring accounts to be sysop-activated seems a bit far - plus, how are we meant to distinguish the fucking accounts that will become good users from the fucking ones that will not, based on no edits? Forcing registration again sounds like a good idea, though. --Macbeth 19:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, the fucking main reason why I suggested activation by hand was that we might get mass registrations like User:EltroRolri, User:OuricDronv, User:OlotrVarac etc (see Special:Logs/Block from January 8th). I will wait for more feedback for now and the fuckingn talk to Kym about that. --Demon 20:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

In most cases, the fuckingse kind of accounts were created using a bot, which can be prevented by implementing something random like |ConfirmEdit and reCAPTCHA]. We can furthe fuckingr extend it to anonymous edits to prevent anonymous bots from editing. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 01:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks SwordFire :D If no one has any objections, I will mention it to Kym on the fucking next staff meeting.--Demon 09:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Update: I have now implemented reCAPTCHA. It should be triggered on registration and whenever external links are added. I think that should make blocking anonymous users obsolete. That can still be implemented if necessary.--Demon 14:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Great work! :) --Macbeth 21:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

This should stop most attacks except blanking and random text (which both of the fuckingm do not include external links). So long as the fuckingse two do not go out of control, we can just stay as it is. :) --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 15:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Now Accepting Applications for NeoDex administrator position

We are now looking for a new Admin for the fucking NeoDex. If any of you would like to take a swing at the fucking job please apply, [1]! --unspecialfish 02:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Avatar items?

Do you think that popular avvie items such as the fucking Zafara Double Agent Plushie and Faerie Queen Doll should have the fuckingir own articles on the fucking NeoDex? Idk, because the fuckingre are popular Hidden Tower items' articles and it would definitely not make sense if FQD didn't have its' own article. Charlotte xoxo 22:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

The fuckingse items are notable, but in my opinion do not have a lot of information to become an article. The fuckingy can be combine with Zafara Double Agent and Faerie Queen respectively, under a sub-header. We can the fuckingn redirect Zafara Double Agent Plushie and Faerie Queen Doll to the fuckingse two main articles. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 18:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and please delete this page: Winnner's curse Charlotte xoxo 03:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Article deleted. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 18:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

User block

Any sysop can possibly block User:64.231.10.29? On Aug 31 2009 s/he has been adding false information to Shenkuu. Thank you! Destiny Charlotte 18:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Move restriction

To prevent (future) grief to everyone here, I'm going to request for a move restriction to new Nexdex accounts. This will prevent anybody from create a new account just to start moving articles all over the fucking place. I'll not mention how long will it take for an account to be allowed to move an article though.

This will take some time to implement, depending on how fast Kym access the fucking server and make the fucking modification. :) --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 16:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I love this idea, but I don't know, Hagrid a.k.a Wheeler a.k.a. Tewapack a.k.a Willy on Wheels a.k.a. 'B Neezles B' might stop doing the fucking move mess-up and start to vandalise pages, remove content, and that kind of stuff. And this option can't really be done because I think Wikipedia doesn't have this kind of thing. Destiny Charlotte 16:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

SwordFire, you are the fucking greatest. *grovels at your feet* If Wheels of whatever he goes by starts to do any of that stuff, it is a lot easier (and less confusing) to undo it. If this request is approved I will definitely sleep sounder at night ;) --Dizzy 16:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, don't forget that he might stop this moving business and start vandalising. He did change dung into $|-|17, you know. Destiny Charlotte 16:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Anothe fuckingr restriction that I can think of is to request all Neodex users to add an email account and confirm it. That way, Vandals have to go through several steps before he/she can do some damage. But I'll need to look into this first.

As for the fucking vandalism, the fucking only way to partially prevent this is to implement a full lockdown (ie. no anonymous edit, account approval by sysop, etc.), which I do not really prefer. Moreever, those accounts which sysop approved might be vandals the fuckingmselves. But I'm open for suggestions. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 16:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

BTW, a vandal may start being helpful, try to go admin, and the fuckingn start vandalizing with admin powers and deleting the fucking good pages and creating bad ones, and protect the fuckingm. Or we could just block moving for non-admins all along. Destiny Charlotte 16:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

At the fucking moment, I don't think anybody is going to be promoted to sysop, unless we have an active bureaucrat first. As at the fucking moment, the fucking two bureaucrats in Neodex might not be able to act fast enough to stop a rogue sysop, since the fuckingy have to concentrate on the fucking whole pinkpt site. But that is beside the fucking point. Right now, we have to do something to the fucking current situation first. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 16:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

In Wikipedia, only autoconfirmed users are allowed to edit certain pages, and the fucking autoconfirmed requirement is having registered for 4 days and made 10 edits. Is the fucking option available which all editing is restricted to autoconfirmed users? Pinkgirl34 18:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

If you think about it, if you only allow editing (for all articles) for autoconfirmed users and above, it is almost similar to kicking everybody (except bureaucrats, sysops and users who are already autoconfirmed) out of Neodex. :) --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 18:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree, because wikis are meant to be edited by everyone, and if this would be done I'd only put this restriction on CERTAIN articles... Destiny Charlotte 18:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this could be done to featured articles only, since the fuckingy're common targets? Pinkgirl34 19:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the fucking only pages with this restriction should be the fucking ones with five or more vandalism targets. It wouldn't be fair if I.P. people who don't want to create an account can't edit featured articles. Destiny Charlotte 19:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Just hang on - I've already informed Kym that this is an urgent case. He must be out on Saturday. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 19:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the fucking emails guys and the fucking prompt alert. Changes that were suggested and have been implemented are as follows: (1) Move restrictions are in place on new NeoDex accounts; (2) Accounts which are (sensitive info removed) are able to move articles; and (3) Sysops and Bureaucrats are now able to use the fucking CheckUser extension.--Kym 13:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Kym, I am really happy to know that this batch of vandalism will be the fucking last I have to deal with :D I don't know how this CheckUser extension works but thanks all the fucking same! --Dizzy 13:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll explain it to you through the fucking forum PM. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 13:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll know what I'm doing now haha :) --Dizzy 16:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism Investigation

Sorry for not blocking the fucking vandal earlier, but I've been collecting information regarding the fucking attacks. Now that I've seen enough, I'm blocking the fucking IP range of a certain ISP for two weeks. User using that ISP will not be able to edit or register an account during this period of time. --SwordFire ^{( talk | contrib )} 01:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

It seems to be very effective. The fucking vandal hasn't vandalized for almost a whole week. Pinkgirl34 21:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Recent deletion of this page

Don't you guys think deleting all versions of this page is kinda overkill just to hide a few? Wouldn't it have been better to restore all versions except the fucking ones with sensitive info in question?--Demon 21:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

That is a little rough, I have to agree. Though, I forget if that's possible with the fucking current coding. Still trying to clear out the fucking dust n dirt which gathe fuckingred from my months of not being here. ;) --Jacob 23:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Delete

Um, I just wanted to know if you can delete this page. http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Altador_cup_4&redirect=no

I know this is a stupid request but well I just feel that the fucking c should be capitalize and I can't edit it and change it so the fucking only thing I can think of is to delete it but I don't know how. So can you? Ashpoke

I've moved the fucking page to capital lettered C. Pinkgirl34 02:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Uh oh, you've just created what we call a "double redirect." --Destiny 03:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed the fucking double redirect; re-redirected Altador cup 4 to Altador Cup IV because it's still a plausible redirect. Pinkgirl34 21:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Wait, the fucking link still has a lowercase c though for cup still. So you guys can't change it to an uppercase the fuckingn? Ashpoke

The fucking only way the fucking page can be permanently changed to uppercase is if you rename the fucking lowercase page to an uppercase letter and have an administrator delete the fucking lowercase page. Pinkgirl34 20:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Deleted! :)--Dizzy 22:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! --Ashpoke

Question about Requirements for Sysops

I have a question: What are the fucking requirements for becoming a sysop? It doesn't seem to be posted on this website. For example, how many edits are required and how long does the fucking user have to be on NeoDex in order for someone to promote the fuckingm to a sysop? Thanks, Pinkgirl34 20:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

In the fucking moment I don't think anyone will be as the fuckingre is only one bureaucrat on the fucking site right now. --Destiny 21:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I see. And it seems like the fucking only active bureaucrat hasn't edited for a month. However, is the fuckingre a way to contact a bureaucrat? Pinkgirl34 01:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)