Talk:Neopia

Neopia, the Universe, and Everything

"It's unknown if this planet is within our own solar system/galaxy, or an entirly different one."

Considering environmental conditions are similar to Earth's, it cannot be in our solar system. There is not much to support it may be in an "entirly [sic] different [galaxy]", either, as Earth as we know it does not exist in the Neopets Reality, except in the odd break-the-forth-wall Neopian Times articles.

*sigh* This article needs a really, really major overhaul. A really big one. --Macbeth 15:22, 15 Jun 2007 (UTC)

Had to laugh when I saw the topic title :D. Considering the fact that the Neopian climate can not be compared to the one on Earth, I think the environment section needs to be deleted. It contains just speculations of what the climate would be classified as if Neopia was Earth.--Demon 16:30, 15 Jun 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the entire article needs to be taken back to the drawing board. Along with figuring out a way to standardise the World articles in general... *sigh* Another note hastily scribbled on a post it for my fridge, I suppose. :P

We should have some sort of NeoDex post-it board... Some sort of Flash front for a database where editors can put up post-its of notes to do... --Macbeth 20:55, 15 Jun 2007 (UTC)

New sections really are needed, aren't they? I don't think we should delete the environment section, due to it being nessesary to point out the oddities in climate differences in Neopia (The Ice Caves connecting in a path to Tyrannia, a desert, as an example). We only need to have summaries of course, as the main details of environment can be given in each worlds main article.

The mentioning of Earth in "Environment" isn't nessesary, as we should just have to mention the climate in general. In fact, the only sections which should even mention Earht is the beginning ("Neopia is a planet similar to Earht" as example) and a section debating where Neopia exists in the universe, and if it is in the same one as ours.

On "post-it notes", we do have our user pages, which can be used as such (and have been used). We also have the community portal to discuss what needs to be done, and the goals and collaborations section on what we need to be working on collectively. And of course their is the basic construction category we can always visit. Do these suffice? --Jacob 01:48, 16 Jun 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yes, there is just something quirky and friendly about post-it notes. :P --Macbeth 14:16, 16 Jun 2007 (UTC)

This whole article needs a rewrite, i will type one out and see what you guys think before editing the page. --Hespitinmysoup 23:47, 29 Jun 2007 (UTC)

As long as you don't take out any of the data which is already on the article, you are free to edit it as you please. --Jacob 00:58, 30 Jun 2007 (UTC)

Please, feel free to be bold :¬). We can always iron out the creases later ;). --Macbeth 01:18, 30 Jun 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it isn't that great but it is what i put together so far, So i am going to continue working on it, and as for Enviroment section of the article, I am highly skeptical about putting it in the article... It seems Out of place. --Hespitinmysoup 01:30, 30 Jun 2007 (UTC)

We just need to throw a few things back and forth and watch as an article takes shape ;). 'Tis the wikying way. --Macbeth 01:43, 30 Jun 2007 (UTC)

Lol, it really is quite ugly :(. I will work on making it neater, probably deleting the altador cup part, you know you guys don't have a "Main article Template". ;) As a quick note I would like to say that i do beleive Kreludor and Virtupets do count as worlds. --Hespitinmysoup 01:50, 30 Jun 2007 (UTC)

I will get my message past these edit conflicts eventually xD!

No, we don't, do we? I tend just to enter it by hand. I could make one (a 'main article' template), if it would make you happy ;). Yeah, I agree that Kreludor and the Station are worlds, but as they were not on the planet itself ("It's life, Jim, but not as we know it."), I thought that that should be noted. --Macbeth 01:54, 30 Jun 2007 (UTC)

No it wouldn't be neccesary, just pointed out there wasn't one, and now thinking on it does make sense counting out Virtupets and Kreludor XD.--Hespitinmysoup

Alrighty then... We do have selection of templates in use. Some of them are not, some of them are a bit... Odd. Heh. Oh, and a guide to templates. I feel so special. :P --Macbeth 02:14, 30 Jun 2007 (UTC)

Blah...don't have time to rewrite your rewrite, but i see some things i would like to put back in which you took out. all in due time... --Jacob 04:34, 30 Jun 2007 (UTC)

All that was taken out was the Enviroment piece... it seemed REALLY out of place, as we do not even know if Neopia has a similar enviroment like that of the planet Earth. If you would like to integrate it, it doesn't neccesarily have to be re-written, Check the history and you can copy and paste it if you want. --Hespitinmysoup 04:45, 30 Jun 2007 (UTC)

I think Jacob meant rewriting that passage from the history. Because, lets face it, that section was quite awful. I think something should be included on the topic of the environment, but as for what... :/ --Macbeth 20:50, 30 Jun 2007 (UTC)

Actually, i saw something else entirely which was taken out that i would like put back in. will get to it when i can (like the "Petpetpet" article). just keeping up with the conversation at this moment, and then will update all the current and new information being offered on neopets. And on Kreludor and the Space Station, i think the very fact the main map says "The World of Neopia" with both those worlds contained within says something. ;) --Jacob 00:27, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)

I didn't take it out Jake i promise :O. But yea the World Development is pointless. I half expected you to delete it XD. And to the enviroment idea i would just like to say that the Enviroment varies so heavily, very little is cohesive in the world of Neopia... --Hespitinmysoup 04:17, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Well, the world of Neopia may refer to the various 'colonies' outside of the planet, the Neopets world, Neopets civilisation, etc, but this article is about the planet Neopia. I mean, you wouldn't refer to the Moon or the ISS as part of the Earth, would you? --Macbeth 18:33, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)

On World Articles

Fairfax? I think I've cracked it. We're riding on the wrong side of the road.

Oh, I mean, I think I've cracked the World articles. Basically, as I think we have all sussed, we need a sorta infobox template a la the games pages. The main problem, here, has been representing the worlds. Well, TNT, those clever devils, handed us the answer. How about the world placards on the world games pages? neopets.com/games/arcade_more.phtml?world_id_g=[1-20]

They exist for all worlds (including mini-worlds) minus Jelly World (it has a page, id 13, of course, but no image). They are just the right size to head an infobox template, methinks. --Macbeth 21:55, 21 Jun 2007 (UTC)

I don't know...I don't think King Hagan's face properly portrays the land of Brighvale. :o If all else, we can simply manipulate the images we've uploaded into smaller versions, be it the "thumb" tag (if the wiki coding is ever updated), or by reuploading a smaller version (as i've done with the images on the Neopia article). On a template, yes, it can be done, but i'm hesitant on the design. would it simply incorporate the "see also" section we've created thus far? and speaking of templates, some have already been created...just not used, or edited right. I pretty much dropped it thus far. :S --Jacob 22:10, 21 Jun 2007 (UTC)

Well I... Oh. I thought I had gotten somewhere. :/ --Macbeth 23:19, 21 Jun 2007 (UTC)

Jacob's recent edit

Jacob's recent edit strikes me as a little... Odd? "Neopia is the planet (or sometimes referred to as the universe)" - I think we can be quite positive that Neopia is a planet, not a universe... The removal of Darigan Citadel from the list of worlds on the article is most peculiar and unprecedented, and the addition of Kreludor and the Space Station would seem odd as they are, as I have mentioned, worlds that are not actually on the planet Neopia... And the whole... 'worlds not on world map' and things... eh?

Also, what's with NOTE TO EDITORS! PLEASE READ 16:30, 15 Jun 2007 REVISION FOR INFORMATION ON OTHER WORLDS CLIMATES AND ENVIRONMENT? I'm afraid I don't follow any of it. --Macbeth 18:39, 2 Jul 2007 (UTC)

On the map of the explore page, the words "The World of Neopia" are shown. So is it the planet of the collective reality or universe of Neopets? It's something which could be debated, because Kreludor and the Space Station, while not on the planet Neopia, are part of "The World of Neopia" (and i thought my explanation about Kreludor and the Space Station in the article was good...could be better?). Darigan IS an official world, but if you look, the list it's out of is the worlds which show up on the map...and Darigan Citadel does not show up at all (like like Geripukitu, Jelly World, etc.). My big notice with CAPS in the edit summary is to let other editors know there is information in that revision which could be used in other world articles.

I hope this helps explain my rash behaviour. ;) --Jacob 21:31, 2 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, I see :P. Thanks for the explanation. --Macbeth 13:44, 3 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Sourcing my statistics

We know Neopia's orbital period is 365.26 days as we are told it is the same as an Earth year (365.26 correct to 2 decimal places). Population statistics from the pet central page are correct to two significant figures as of time of writing. --Macbeth 17:06, 2 December 2010 (CST)

The faerie's figure is from Lenny Conundrum 381. --Macbeth 12:59, 16 December 2010 (CST)