Editing Talk:Neopets: Treasure Keepers

==Text of intro story==

''Once, there was a great city full of magical portals, from which adventurers searched the far corners of Neopia for exotic treasures.  Your father, a good friend of the king of Portal City, was both a shopkeeper and an adventurer.''

''Under the king's rule, Portal City was prosperous and bustling with trade.  Magical creatures called Faeries helped protect its citizens from danger.  Shortly before the king's death, the portals closed and trade ceased.  The Faeries vanished.  Adventurers were stranded and exotic items became rare and precious.  Many shops were forced to close.  Nobody knows why the magic left... ''

''When the king died, his eldest son, Jasper, ascended the throne.  He and his bride, Queen Sallix, did not try to reopen the portals.  Instead, they passed harsh new laws and kept all the wealth for themselves.  Desperate for supplies and mystified by the portals' failure, city fold found themselves fighting tyranny. '' 

''Your father has left you his shop so that he can seek answers.  Fortunately for you, the people of Portal City are in need of both a brave adventurer and a well-stocked shop.  Looks like you are about to be kept very busy.''

==This could take some time==

Not sure if anyone else is playing but this could take some work.  There's a ton to write about in the game. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 14:24, 9 August 2011 (CDT)

== Links to pages? ==

So, there are a lot of items in this game (naturally) that exist in Neopia and have pages in this wiki... stuff like ''[[weewoo]] feather''... should I be linking to the weewoo page or not... I'm concerned because, while descriptive, it could mess up the recognition of the item as a name.  I've been linking things like pet species when describing characters but I was unsure about this. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 20:39, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

:Well, 'Weewoo' in the phrase 'Weewoo feather' means the small bird Petpet, so then it would be appropriate to link to it. It would be wrong to link, say, 'Krawk' to the article on the Krawk Neopet if it meant the Krawk Petpet, or to link to Pirate if the sentence was describing a profession not a paint colour (e.g. <nowiki>"Jacques is a [[Red]] [[Kyrii]] pirate", not "Jacques is a [[Red]] [[Kyrii]] [[pirate]]"</nowiki>). 

:If you think it would make it easier to pick item names out, you can italicise them (as it looks like you have been doing =)). --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 04:58, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

== Page Splitting ==

I don't think we need to break up the page. The 32 kB warning is very conservative (the article on [[The Faeries' Ruin]], for example, is 120 kb long). No one with a modern browser should have trouble with this article. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 04:29, 13 August 2011 (CDT)

:I think that what I was considering was something like what Wikipedia has List:whatever pages... I could, for example, do a list of the quests, which would cut down a ton of the page, and a list of the different adventure maps... I don't mind leaving it as one entire article but it might be more user-friendly if it was split up. Let me know. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 14:38, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

== Date... ==

So, I had the ninth... which, for 3/4s of the people on the planet is the accurate day... if it was released just before midnight  on the eighth, PDT (because it's summber)... as 87.106.140.33 claims, that would be the 8th for TNT... even if it isn't for the rest of everyone... except the west coast and Hawaii and Alaska. what's the general rule on this?  Saying the 8th seems a bit... *shrug* ideas? -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 16:29, 23 August 2011 (CDT)

:Was its release mentioned in the neopets.com new features? If so, use that date, even though it's forward-dated. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 16:40, 23 August 2011 (CDT)

::Yes, it was... but not until Friday last week, I believe. - [[User:Cath|Cath]] 16:46, 23 August 2011 (CDT)

== Ring of Monsters ==
In the Future expansion it talks about a ring of monsters.
Aren't those the portals? I would change it but im not 100% sure.

Those are coming soon portals then I would not change it if it's not available. If its not coming soon then I would change it.

:I don't know what you mean by portals.  If you look at the right side of the map in the center, there is a ring of well-known monsters.  The section is speculative, there's no way to know what's going to be there in the future. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 20:18, 21 September 2011 (CDT)


==Shop stuff==

Please don't put bulk info like this in paragraph form in an article.  Also, please don't put notes to yourself or to readers in the article.  This is probably more info than necessary but if you want to put it in, it needs to be formatted properly. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 20:18, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

Level 1-20 (if Bought)
Decor:10-40 FC
      15-8700 RC
      10-600 Decor
All Decor items: Royal Cybunny Portrait, Fake Scary Sludgeor, Worn Chest, City Crest Pennant, Wooden Chair, Lattice Window, Balloon Kadoatie, Royal Gelert Portrait, Simple Clay Pot, Balloon Warf, Blue Mosaic Lamp, Candle Wall Light, Shuttered Window, Yellow Poppies, Petal Lamp, Basic Wall Lamp, Green Mosaic Lamp, Green Arrow, Wooden Barrel, Lucky Bamboo, Flower Painting,Empty Cauldron, Cracked Clay Pot, Spoderolas, Merchants Guild Pennant, Venus Fly Trap, Hunting Doglefox Statue, Blue Arrow, Wide Clay Pot, Babaa,Sculpture, Sandwich Advert, Song Flowers, Square Window, Lavender, Large Candlestick, fake employee, red arrow, Dandelion Painting, Curious Meepits Statue, Negg Advert, Paper Floor Lamp, Forest Trail Painting, Sunset Painting, Fake Kadoatie, Bluebells, Fake Shop Detective, Fake Shop Assistant, Large Grid Window, Giant Lotus, Rude Daffodils, Scenic Landscape Painting, Puppyblew Statue, Lovepetal, Iron Torch,Candelabra, Blue Footstool, Potted Asparagus Plant,Classical Cybunnyy Statue, Grandfather Clock, Rectangular Window, Magic Potion Advert, Meerca Atlas Statue, Kougra Topiary, Toothpaste Advert, Dancing Harris Statue, Elegant Bench, Roaring Noil Statue,Rainbow Morning Flower, Singing Orchids, Scary Bearog Sculpture
Display: 15-25 FC
         200-4000 RC
         20-250 Decor
All Display Item: Bell Jar Case, Cloth-Covered Table, Square Wooden Table, Floral Table, Golden Pedestal, Long Wooden Table, Square Blue Table, Square Green Table, Square Pink Table, Square Elegant Table, Wooden Pedestal, Classic Pedestal, Long Elegant Table, Wooden Counter Top
Boosts: 1-15 FC
All Boost Item: Healing Potion, Very Brainy Potion, Strength Potion, Greater Strength Potion, Greater Healing Potion, Lesser Potion of Agility, Quite Brainy Potion, Lesser Strength Potion, Lesser Healing Potion, Brainy Potion, Greter Potion of Agility, Potion of Agility, Petpet Treat
Upgrades:First, Expansion go up in cost either using FC and RC.
        10-800 Decor
        25-30 FC(not include expansion)
        150-11,000 RC
All Upgrades names: 11x11-infinity and beyond, Purple Star Wallpaper, Pink Striped Wallpaper, Light Wood Floor, Red Patterned Wallpaper, Hardwood Floor, Peach Wallpaper, Nova Wallpaper, Basic Beige Wallpaper, Bright Green Wallpaper, Starry Yellow Wallpaper, Mid Blue Wallpaper, Terracotta Floor, Dusky Orange Wallpaper, Tile Floor, Pale Pink Wallpaper, Marble Floor,Flower Green Wallpaper, Mosaic Floor, Blue Patterned Wallpaper, Green Striped Wallpaper

"Okay, I will fix that bulk. That is perfect."

:Putting it in random groupings of five is '''not''' "fixing" the issue.  '''Please''' look at pages like: [[The_Faeries'_Ruin#Prizes|Plot Pages]], [[Slorg#Colours|Petpet Colors]] etc.  The list needs to be ''organized'', easy to understand, and clean.  The ordering and placement needs to make sense... meaning it should be in alphabetical order or order by value or something similar to that and it should be clear what that order is. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 12:49, 8 October 2011 (CDT)

Just a new start.
*===Shop=== 
**Decor - the higher the score, you attract customers
**(All Decor Items with bullets and enters)...

*Display - show off your wares with a range of elegant display units
**(All Display Items withe bullets and enters)...

*New- two weeks previous
**===Virtual===
**Mummufied Kougra Statue
***Cost 25 FC

:I still believe that it is unnecessary to list every item in the game.  I think it's a waste of time.  This wiki is not an item database, it is a place for information about the game and that's pretty standard for us... we don't list everything sold in the Neopian shops because the lists are very extensive and I don't see a benefit to listing the items in Treasure Keepers here.  Be aware that at some point someone may just delete the entire list or move it to the talk page because it's taking up space and isn't necessary.  I would recommend simply mentioning the types of items that can be purchased and what their affects are.

:Also, it is unnecessary to link to color articles unless you're talking about a pet or petpet or if the item is clearly designed after that color on rare occasion.  So all of the shop items do not need to be connected to color articles.  Also, generally, linking to another article is limited to the first occurrence of that word either in the article or (in larger articles) on the page, so if there are two colors of slorg, you do not need to link both to the slorg article, just the first one. 

:If you are adding information that is unknown, it's better to leave blank the info you don't know (like the level thirty prize) than to put in blanks.  Also, if you have information be sure to actually put it in either in good prose or in a list form that looks good.  Some of the recent edits you have made look like you're just jotting in notes which I believe I've already mentioned are inappropriate.-[[User:Cath|Cath]] 14:53, 9 October 2011 (CDT)

I did not mention on treasure keeper that 3 out of the 4 sub-categories in upgrades have one-buying used and the amount of 31 day telling you to go get the item before its to late. Is this important to add or no?

:This is exactly why I feel that adding all of the items one can buy in the shops is unnecessary... there will constantly be stuff that is only temporarily available and there is no reason to document it here.  This may sound slightly rude but is English your first language?  The few times I've seen you write full sentences I find that I have a difficult time understanding what you are saying because I have no clue what you mean... for example, what do you mean by ''one-buying''...  Please make an effort to sign your posts on the discussion pages as noted at the top of every discussion page editing box, with four tildes. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 23:30, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

:One-buying means buying once then it's thing is gone from ShopShop. Better understanding: One purchase only on 3 out of 4 sub-categories in upgrades. English was my first language. -[[User:76.173.175.84]]

== Quest Stuff ==

Again, this stuff needs to be properly formatted so that it matches the rest of the page.  Bulk info should be put on the talk page until it can be formatted correctly.

Commas must be followed by spaces, please attempt to have a standard for capitalization of items.  I appreciate your interest in assisting with this article but please make an attempt to keep it neat. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 10:14, 8 October 2011 (CDT)

The quests below have been added where they seem fitting in the article.  I have used the XP reward to determine what level the quests are available at though they could be off by one level in either direction.  If anyone is able to confirm these levels that is appreciated.  I have a game at level 7, so I can continue to play it from there but it's my last low-level game.  My other one is already at level 20. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 14:53, 9 October 2011 (CDT)

New unknown level quest(new and to be added)

*''The Lowly Servant''- Servant Hagir knocks over food
**''Leaf it be''- Find three Dried Leaf in Royal Orchard
**''The missing twig''- Find four Royal Twig in Topiary Trail
**''Reward''-150xp, 50 coins, Chicken, Bottle of Water, Luminent Slime

*''Bell of the Ball''-Belle impress Prince
**''Gown on your luck''- Find a Ballgown at Pier
**''A Real Gem''- Find ten Gown at Scurryway
**''Diamente Shoes'' - Find 2 Diamente Shoes at Hungry Jetsam
**''Rewards'' - 400xp, 50coins, Iron Ration, Magic Bronze Ring, Green Cheese

*''Sibling Rivalry''- Tina think witch is stealing
**''Blue Fan Perfume''- Blue Fan Flower in Aviary
**''Berry Pretty''- Hedgeberry in The Stash
**''Rewards''-425xp, 50coin, Watchout!, Shipping Reports, Eye-sha

*''Prince Alarming'' - Mina (not Minun who is a pokemon or minus like the sign)says ball was mess up
**''Chocolate Stalker'' -Find box of Whipplenuts in The Stash
**''Until the Weewoo sing''-Find brown Weewoo in Enchanted Grove
**''Portrait of a Prince''- Find 6 Paint in Pride of Maraqua
**''Rewards''-575xp, 50coin, Sludgeor Slime, Baguette, Sapphire

*''Keran sents a Squaddie(Squaddie means armies)''-Firruk are friends with Gulgo
**''Icky Sticky Spyder''- Find two Spyder Legs from Spyder Lair
**''Rewards''-275xp,50 coin, Buckler, Handkerchief, Disappearing Ink

*''Gulgo's Sentry- Gulgo hungry
**''Magical Fruits- 3 Gruffbean from Oubliette
**''Rewards''-350xp,50 coin, Bag of Peanuts, Mallard Down, Fisherman's Pie

*''Firruk Returns''- Keran turn from Gulgo's sentry
**''Keran Revenge''- find 3 War Medals in The Stash from enemy Treasure Monsters
**''Rewards''- 450 xp, 50 coins, Jacks, Jingly Puzzle, Petpet I-P

*''The Prank Continue...''- Volander want to trap Keran
**''''Bucket of Sewer Slime''- find one (''s.s.title name'') in Junkyard
**''Rewards''-50 coin, 525xp, Cutlass, Tax Code Revision XI, Usica Berries

*''Anchor Away''- Kelran sits on Volander prank
*''Kelran Takes It Too Far''- find Ship Anchor in Junkyard
*''Rewards''-525xp, 50 coins, Secret Code Wheel, Runestone Amulet, Portal City Secret II

*''Firruk and Volander figure it out''- Volander tries end pranks
**''Gift of The Mad Guys''- find two Pickle Grumblebug in Deepest Dungeon
**''Rewards''-600xp, 50 coins, Silver Compass, skull earring, Paint Brush

*''The Forgetful Fungus''- Grumblebugs worked
**''(''Quest title name w/o the'')''- Find 3 (''s.s.title name'')in Fungus Cave 
**''Rewards''-600xp, 50 coins, Skull Earring, Lucky Necklace, Kadoatie After Dark

== New Petpets ==

**Meepit- puzzle skill, cost 7000 to buy
**Meowclops- reflex skill, cost 11000 to buy
***Blue noil- unknown skill,resistance streak 15
***Red Babaa- unknown skill, resistance streak 20
***Starry Slorg- unknown skill, resistance streak 20

== rumors and shield ==

:Where did you get the info that there was a ''Platinum'' Shield?... and why are you now retracting that info? -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 18:43, 19 October 2011 (CDT)

From a neoboard and now I'm retracting from it by proof that two of the achievements have NaN% and then Infinity%.

:Please don't undo my edits.  I'm a sys-op on this wiki and I don't appreciate your actions.  I've protected the page because it's clear that you are unwilling to read my notes about the situations that have occurred during your time attempting to edit this page and you clearly refuse to change your editing style to fit the standards of this wiki.  The protection will end in a week or sooner if you agree to stop your actions.  

:The number of achievements (166) is based on what Facebook says... it clearly states in the waterfall of app activity that ''"player has ___ of 166 achievements"'' ... this number is all the active achievements, both visible and hidden...  when this number changes, we can change what the wiki says.

:Additionally, the definition of the achievement is the same regardless of whether it's broken or not... the definition of the ''Explorer'' achievements is: ''"Earn the top rank with the Explorers' Guild by exploring the (Location)"''. Just because it doesn't actually work right now does not mean that the definition is incorrect.  If you, personally, have completed the gold and not gotten the award, I will note that they are currently not being awarded at this time due to a glitch but there is no reason for the definition to be deleted... the definition is vaguely worded, saying ''top'' not ''gold'' or '' platinum''... since we are unsure whether the platinum exists or it is a rumor, we can not know where the error is. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 23:20, 19 October 2011 (CDT)

:O.K.,I agree, Now I understand better what you meant of the achievement. We're explaining so much better.

== Path to Level 30 : predicting only on special wantings and a solution. ==

Please list predicting wanting ideas and do what's entirely best.
1. more nova locations
2. courses will be larger and that means more item spaces
*Estimated Solution:
**75% chance- Not updated maps on certain places is a probable case for concerning problems and the effect of that is no level 30.
**7% chance- first update on maps.
**15% chance- both updates on maps.\

**prediction on cases- suitcase,pencil cases, and led cases

:I have already told you to stop putting random predictions of stuff up on the actual article.  I have told you that your notes don't belong in the article... I'm tired of it.  The block will last a month this time.  Your ''Predictions'' make no sense, your random allocation of percentages make no sense... 75, 7, and 15 don't even add up to 100%.  

:This is not a guide, we don't need to say if something is ''glitched'' or not... and I'm not convinced that anything is actually ''glitched'' so much as that it hasn't been activated... if you can't play all the levels because they're not all active yet, of course you can't win an award for having played them all.

:Please, just stop. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 22:17, 27 October 2011 (CDT)
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 Not sure if anyone else is playing but this could take some work.  There's a ton to write about in the game. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 14:24, 9 August 2011 (CDT)
-:Could you be able to be responsible for the rest of the work all the way through when the future updates are launching? There really not ton enough to write about the game anymore.
-::That's not a promise that I'm going to make but it's not that important that someone promises to keep this up to date constantly... there are thousands of pages on this Wiki that need attention at any given time and this one is pretty darn good.  I'll look in on it from time to time but there's no way for me to guarantee that I'll have time to actually work on it. Like I've said, too many times to count now, this isn't a guide.  No one is here waiting for it to update so that they know what to do next. This is a written documentation about a facet of the Neopets game.  Yes, it includes information about the game and that sort of thing but there's no pressure to keep it super up-to-date.  If anyone has questions, they're welcome to ask them here, on the talk page and someone will try to help... or there are tons of other forums to get help in the game. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 01:54, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
-:::I'll probably add the rest of the usage on the discussion for a rough draft and keep a temporary note of this.
-:::: The dark outline of Graveyard is getting darker and the all the other look lighter and everything is neater. Why did the dark outline of Graveyard did not appear darker right before the bug issues? Do you think it was already like that all the time?
 == Links to pages? ==
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 ***Red Babaa- unknown skill, resistance streak 20
 ***Starry Slorg- unknown skill, resistance streak 20
-**[[Ghostkerchief]]- combat skill, Nov. 30 is last day, 65 Facebook credits
 == rumors and shield ==
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 **75% chance- Not updated maps on certain places is a probable case for concerning problems and the effect of that is no level 30.
 **7% chance- first update on maps.
-**25% chance- both updates on maps.\
+**15% chance- both updates on maps.\
 **prediction on cases- suitcase,pencil cases, and led cases
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 :I have already told you to stop putting random predictions of stuff up on the actual article.  I have told you that your notes don't belong in the article... I'm tired of it.  The block will last a month this time.  Your ''Predictions'' make no sense, your random allocation of percentages make no sense... 75, 7, and 15 don't even add up to 100%.
-:This is '''not a guide''', we don't need to say if something is ''glitched'' or not... and I'm not convinced that anything is actually ''glitched'' so much as that it hasn't been activated... if you can't play all the levels because they're not all active yet, of course you can't win an award for having played them all.
+:This is not a guide, we don't need to say if something is ''glitched'' or not... and I'm not convinced that anything is actually ''glitched'' so much as that it hasn't been activated... if you can't play all the levels because they're not all active yet, of course you can't win an award for having played them all.
 :Please, just stop. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 22:17, 27 October 2011 (CDT)
-::Since you retracted the information, now I suppose it is a going to have to be a '''75% guide'''. Just tell me what is still missing from the article. 15 came from 7 + 8. 75 and 15 are the ones that equal to 100. I think the prediction were going to might be useful to later use information.
-The only thing that I deleted was your idiotic guesses about something being glitched or not and when the glitches might be fixed... which I've already said is neither based in fact (that they are even glitched) or based on any information you can prove (that they will be ''fixed'' in the future).  STOP changing the Construction label, stop adding stuff that doesn't belong in the article. I've already said that this is '''NOT A GUIDE'''.  If they want a guide they can go to another site.  This is information about the game not directions on how to play it.
-Quote: = Proven to my game as regular quest achievement, detail- green bar disappear,shows icons,no counter
-Also: (possible glitch)=Proven by my game,detail- After getting gold,you get NaN% and Infinity%. This may change according to the updates)
-This is neither proper English nor proper wiki content.  NEVER use any person other than third person, stop adding NOTES to articles, which I've already said a zillion times. As far as I'm concerned, until something new is released, nothing in this article needs to change.
-While 7+8 does in fact equal 15, there is no 8% in your list, only 75%, 15%, and 7% which together add up to 97%, leaving three percent unaccounted for... additionally, 75 + 15 = 90, not 100. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 22:05, 28 October 2011 (CDT)
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