Editing Talk:The Faeries' Ruin

The explanation of the Fort Nox achievement was arrived at first by players [http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=griffinfeather griffinfeather] and [http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=mr_meenie_2 mr_meenie_2]. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Memes ==

There are some memes in the current fearless deeds, however, I am not too sure whether to link to them. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116483/quotes?qt0420543 Are you too good for your home?] (contains swearing) and [http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/son-i-am-disappoint Son, I am disappoint] (might contain inappropriate pictures, haven't checked them all).--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 00:34, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think their status as memes should be noted, yeah. The movie one is fine - does that movie have a wikipedia page? If so, link there, rather than to the IMDB. Otherwise, IMDB is fine. As for the other one, I'd say that's probably all right. =) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

::The movie does have [[wikipedia:Happy Gilmore|a wikipedia page]], however, the quote is not mentioned in the article, not even on wikiquote, so I thought people might be confused if the page is linked to without further comment.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 00:48, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

:::Hmn. I think we should risk it ;). The Three Musketeers' page does not say 'And One For All' on it, but it's still a reference to them, for example. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 01:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

::::Added. Now, does anyone have a smart linguistics word for the "S-Words" thing? I believe it may be something like an [[wikipedia:acronym|acronym]]?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 01:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Hmn, I'm not sure. A pun, or word-play, maybe? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 02:08, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::(to clarify, "'Sword' is an 's-word'" is a pun, for example. That might be what they call a [[Wikipedia:Wellerism|Wellerism]], but I'm not really sure. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 02:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC))

==Chapter 8==
Hanso's double take on the skeith and draik guard I assume is a joke about how there is a skeith and draik with Altador as well. I've only mentioned it in case it proves to have plot significance, but I think it's just a joke. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

==Plot images==
I remember Jacob started recording the urls of the images that appeared in Tale of Woe... And as image uploading is fubarred for the forseeable future xP...

Maybe not as thorough this time, but feel free to add any of the dozens I have missed. 

*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/festival2010/main.jpg Faerie Festival Before]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/festival2010/main_18afb926b3.jpg Faerie Festival After]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/misc/frozen_slice.jpg Faerie Festival news slice]

*[http://images.neopets.com/homepage/marquee/faeries_ruin_ch1.jpg Chapter 1 Front Page]
*[http://images.neopets.com/homepage/marquee/faeries_ruin_ch2.jpg Chapter 2 Front Page]
*[http://images.neopets.com/homepage/marquee/faeries_ruin_ch3.jpg Chapter 3 Front Page]
*[http://images.neopets.com/homepage/marquee/faeries_ruin_ch4.jpg Chapter 4 Front Page]
*[http://images.neopets.com/homepage/marquee/faeries_ruin_ch5.jpg Chapter 5 Front Page]
*[http://images.neopets.com/homepage/marquee/faeries_ruin_ch6.jpg Chapter 6 Front Page]
*[http://images.neopets.com/homepage/marquee/faeries_ruin_ch7.jpg Chapter 7 Front Page]
**[http://images.neopets.com/images/nf/events/tfr_07_c29q4h39ry.jpg Chapter 7 News Page]
*[http://images.neopets.com/homepage/marquee/faeries_ruin_ch8.jpg Chapter 8 Front Page]
**[http://images.neopets.com/images/nf/tfr_08_d18ca5d506.jpg Chapter 8 banner]
**[http://images.neopets.com/images/nf/events/tfr_08_d18ca5d506.jpg Chapter 8 News Page]

===Step 1===
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/hs.png Hanso south]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/hn.png Hanso north]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/he.png Hanso east]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/hw.png Hanso west]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/xs.png Xandra south]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/xn.png Xandra north]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/xe.png Xandra east]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/xw.png Xandra west]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/rubble1.png Rubble]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/rubble2.png Rubble cleared]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/xze.png Xandra zaps]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/ze3.png Magic!]
**[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/ze2.png Magic medium]
**[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/ze1.png Magic short]
**:''Are these two actually used? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 23:34, 20 October 2010 (UTC)''
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/hz.png Hanso's zapped]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p1_34602d0d6f/done_1be8e6cffc.jpg Complete]

===Step 2===
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/peg_up.png Bronze peg]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/peg_down.png Bronze peg down]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/peg_dizzy.png Bronze peg stunned]

 

*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_h_b_up.png Horizontal blue door up]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_h_b_dn.png Horizontal blue door down]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_v_b_up.png Vertical blue door up]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_v_b_dn.png Vertical blue door down]

*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_h_y_up.png Horizontal yellow door up]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_h_y_dn.png Horizontal yellow door down]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_v_y_up.png Vertical yellow door up]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_v_y_dn.png Vertical yellow door down]

*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_h_g_up.png Horizontal green door up]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_h_g_dn.png Horizontal green door down]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_v_g_up.png Vertical green door up]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_v_g_dn.png Vertical green door down]

*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_h_z_up.png Horizontal glowing door up]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_h_z_dn.png Horizontal glowing door down]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_v_z_up.png Vertical glowing door up]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_v_z_dn.png Vertical glowing door down]

*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_h_x_up.png Horizontal exit door up]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_h_x_dn.png Horizontal exit door down]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_v_x_up.png Vertical exit door up]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/door_v_x_dn.png Vertical exit door down] 



*[http://images.neopets.com/halloween/tfr_castle_bg.jpg Nox's Castle]
*[http://images.neopets.com/halloween/tfr_castle_yellowdoor.png Yellow Door]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p2_bb68f7ad8d/done_c18fffa706.jpg Complete]

===Step 3===
Character's dialogue images:
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/char1.png]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/char2.png]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/char3.png]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/char4.png]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/char5.png]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/char6.png]

*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/opponent_disabled.png unreleased opponent]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/skeith_guard.gif Skeith Guard]

===Step 4===
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/intro1_918167859a.png Library before completing Shhhhhhh!]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/yurble.png Angry Yurble]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/symbols.png Book symbols]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/polygons.png Book polygons]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/done_ecc333b9a8.png Complete]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/intro2_aae72f2d43.png Library after completing Shhhhhhh!]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/intro3_8394cfa790.png Library after Brynn found her book]

===Step 6===
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/brynn.png Brynn]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/xandra.png Xandra]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/conv/1_be6a39a392.png Brynn talking]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/conv/2_9815d2d41a.png Xandra talking]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/conv/3_74e8920ef8.png Hanso talking]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/door1p.png Purple tunnel 1]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/door2p.png Purple tunnel 2]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/door1.png Tunnel 1]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/door2.png Tunnel 2]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/door3.png Tunnel 3]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/door4.png Tunnel 4]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/doorx.png Barrier]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/cave1.png Cave 1 (purple)]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/cave2.png Cave 2]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/stalag1.png Stalagmite 1]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/stalag2.png Stalagmite 2]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/stalag3.png Stalagmite 3]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/stalag4.png Stalagmite 4]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/stalac1.png Stalactite 1]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/stalac2.png Stalactite 2]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/stalac3.png Stalactite 3]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/stalac4.png Stalactite 4]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/stalag1p.png Purple Stalagmite]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/stalac1p.png Purple Stalactite 1]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/stalac2p.png Purple Stalactite 2]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p6_41a326f4f6/done_9b8dbd272a.png Completed]

===Step... uh... The Xandra one. 9?===
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/bar3.png Bar3 (green)]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/bar2.png Bar2 (orange)]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/bar1.png Bar1 (red)]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p3_7f98fbe33b/barg.png Bar background (grey)]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p9_ef830d7588/h1.png Hanso 1]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p9_ef830d7588/h2.png Hanso 2]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p9_ef830d7588/h3.png Hanso 3]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p9_ef830d7588/h4.png Hanso 4]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p9_ef830d7588/x1.png Xandra 1]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p9_ef830d7588/x1.png Xandra 2]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p9_ef830d7588/x1.png Xandra 3]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p9_ef830d7588/x1.png Xandra 4]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p9_ef830d7588/done_2b746c6472.png Completed]

== Turned to stone? ==

The plot summary for Chapter 13 mentions that those outside the barrier got turned to stone, but I'm not sure that's right.... We're looking at them with distorted colors since they're outside the barrier, and the shadows still seem to be fighting them.  Is there a way to get a closer look? [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] 22:24, 24 November 2010 (CST)

:If it is just a lighting issue, then it's very poor form on behalf of TNT's colourists! ^^; 

:However, I don't think it is. If you contrast [http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p8_974fde1c81/hub.png this image], from the ritual page, you can see that they still look all colourful when seen through the barrier. 

:(Although Jazan doesn't seemed to have moved between that image and Chapter 13 ;)) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 09:57, 25 November 2010 (CST)

== Guidance ==

These were my observations on the Guidance step, but I don't want to post it onto the article without some corroboration since all the guides seem to disagree with each other:

A pet can safely push with medium strength for three limbs and strong for the fourth.  From that stance, they can then trade one level of strength on one limb for another on a different limb - for example, they can move a limb from medium to strong if they move another from medium down to weak.  (If a pet pushes stronger than this, the pet will fall down.)  Stronger pushes from the left move the core towards the right, and vice versa.  <strike>All pushes move the core forward.</strike> ''Every limb pushes the core forward to some degree.''  The pet's pushes are additive with the core's drift indicated by the arrow - the results are the same as it would be if the core was allowed to drift first, and then the pet pushed separately with no drift.

Any observations to the contrary?

[[User:AySz88|AySz88]] 23:07, 24 November 2010 (CST)

:The only thing I can contradict is "All pushes move the core forward" - I found, ''especially'' in the last 30m, that sometimes it slipped back despite my pushing. Also, a large arrow coupled with an all weak stance sometimes - not always, I'm not sure why - caused it roll backwards as well. I think your "additive with the core's drift" notion is very astute, though, well done. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 09:53, 25 November 2010 (CST)

:: Ah, I meant that adding strength to a limb always pushes the core more forward than if that limb were weaker - in other words, none of the limbs are pushing the core backwards. Made that part a bit clearer. [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] 00:58, 26 November 2010 (CST)

:: Posted. [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] 12:20, 5 December 2010 (CST)

== Oblivion ==
I think it is debatable that nobody defeated him, since at least one user posted an ongoing battle with him, including the victory and screenies on his lookup. It just doesn't show up on his record because of some midnight reset thing. [[Special:Contributions/67.243.58.20|67.243.58.20]] 16:25, 25 November 2010 (CST)

:Screenies can easily be doctored, the battle record cannot. If it doesn't show that he killed him in his battle record, then he's having you on ;). --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 16:45, 25 November 2010 (CST)
::I watched his pet's health change as the battle went on by amounts that were logically consistent with the known weapons of the opponent and his Wand of the Dark Faerie's healing. And the midnight reset isn't something he made up on the spot. It's something several other people mentioned and he chose to ignore. Either he did an incredible job of faking both two screenies and every person on a 10 hour board, or he's telling the truth and fell victim to a known problem with the battledome. [[Special:Contributions/67.243.58.20|67.243.58.20]] 00:39, 26 November 2010 (CST)
::: There's also the question of why, if Oblivion was defeated, it was still available to fight.  One could say that was due to the same bug, but then it definitely didn't register it in-plot as "us" defeating him.  I do see how it's ''possible'' with something like a Wand of the Dark Faerie, though. [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] 01:10, 26 November 2010 (CST)
:::: It didn't officially register that he was defeated on anything but the pet's battle log. It's really unclear what the purpose of Oblivion even was, to be honest. He never appeared in the comic and never had any role at all in the story. Furthermore, he just vanished suddenly when chapter 13 was released. [[Special:Contributions/67.243.58.20|67.243.58.20]] 03:21, 26 November 2010 (CST)
:::::I've never heard of this 'midnight reset' - can you explain it to me? 

:::::Two screenies, his pets health changing, and the fact that he doesn't have it in his battle record doesn't make the strongest case, but I've [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=The_Faeries%27_Ruin&action=historysubmit&diff=62741&oldid=62727 rephrased the line] to suggest there is some doubt. 

:::::Like I've said, I don't think we can definitively say he was defeated based on that evidence. Incidentally, what is this guy's username? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 09:40, 26 November 2010 (CST)
::::::Johnscards4sale. [[Special:Contributions/67.243.58.20|67.243.58.20]] 15:25, 26 November 2010 (CST)
:::::::Well, it is now indisputable that Oblivion has been defeated. With his health at only 1,000,000, Johnscards4sale beat him. [[Special:Contributions/67.243.58.20|67.243.58.20]] 22:11, 9 December 2010 (CST)

::::::::Yup ([http://www.neopets.com/battledome/bd_userlookup.phtml?userlookup=johnscards4sale twice, in fact, at the time of writing]). Course, that doesn't prove he did it before, but bad luck to him if he did and it didn't record it. ;) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 01:36, 10 December 2010 (CST)

== Plot Participation Headers ==

I've put the headings 'Xandra: Artefact Battle' and 'Xandra: Oblivion Returns' back to 'Artefact Battle' and 'Oblivion Returns'. 

This is because these headings need to be descriptive, not just the titles for their corresponding fearless deeds (those names are noted in the fearless deeds section, though). If we were to stick to using the headings off the tfr main page, we'd be unable to title the 'oblivion returns' section, whose fearless deeds are from an earlier step and are not new. 

We could expand the existing oblivion section instead, saying that the step was re-enabled, but then the article wouldn't follow chronologically. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 03:49, 11 December 2010 (CST)
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