Editing User talk:Jacob

==Pet type categories==
Okay, sorry, I got the idea that we were supposed to make the categories singular and not plural, my mistake.  '''--[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 09:33, 18 Jul 2006 (CDT)'''

==Proposed Change to Image Table==
So, we've been using this script for a while to link images from Neopets.

{|align=right
|http://images.neopets.com/items/toy_faerie_space.gif
|}

<nowiki>{|align=right</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|imagelinkhere</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|}</nowiki>
<br style="clear:both;"/>
This has worked very well, and I have become a big supporter of linking from Neopets now that I've gotten used to it.

Now I'd like to present an idea of mine.  I "dressed up" the table a little bit, so we can add a border to the image and maybe a little thumbnail description.

{|align=right style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; border: solid 1px #bbbbbb; padding: 1px"
|http://images.neopets.com/items/toy_faerie_space.gif
|-
|Fancy, eh?
|}

<nowiki>{|align=right style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; border: solid 1px #bbbbbb; padding: 1px"</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|imagelinkhere</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|-</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|Optional text.</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|}</nowiki>
<br style="clear:both;"/>
I think it looks nice so I just thought I'd show you the script and stuff and see what you think. [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:51, 11 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:I like it. :)  However, the image linking done for images is meant to be a temporary thing, as i was intending to upload the image linked images as wiki images. I just haven't haven't gotten around to it. :S  I just use the image linking as a ways to find the best image possible to work for the article for a future image load. And this new table is very good for that. *thumbs up* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 11:02, 11 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Greetings from Yukio==
Hi there! I'm typing in what I think is a messaging feature :) Let's hope it works!--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 17:32, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

:it's working alright. ;)  So...i'm the admin? is that right?--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:35, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

::Great! Got it down pat :) This WIKI thing is kinda addictive @_@ Of course :) Admin away Jacob, admin away ^_^ Would love to chat online when we get the chance. I'll reply to your email soonish.--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 17:56, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

:::ooking forward to hearing from you. thank a lot.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:58, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

Just wanted to drop in a line and say you're doing an amazing thing with the NeoDex :) Under your leadership, the NeoDex has totally grown expotentially and is becoming what everyone envisioned it to be :) Well done!--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 13:50, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

:Thank you very much. There is still so much to do of course, but all in due time...hopefully. :o Still don't know how to eidt and present the gaming articles. Mostly just focused on the plot/character/Neopet pages. Best get to thinking then.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:28, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

==Image Linking: Neopets vs. Internal==
So i was wondering...should we be focusing on making our own images to make the wiki colorful, or should we direct link to Neopets? I see all other fan sites doing it, and i'm wondering what is the opinion of everyone else on the matter. I'm fine working it either way, but would like to know how we would like to do it so we can work on it soon enough.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 07:34, 4 Mar 2006 (CST)

:i decided on this for the time being: images that can be linked directly from neopets if the are set inside constructed tables. internal images will be used whenever they are not, as i haven't yet found a way to move images directly linked to.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:27, 8 Mar 2006 (CST)

=="Karnik" Request==
Jacob, could you please delete the article [[Karnik]] from the Characters page? I can't do so for some reason and it's irritating me. Thanks. Also, is it allright if I add a page for Zafara Double Agent?

:thanks for noticing that. the proper redirect has fixed it. now to add that misspelling to the list... ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:47, 24 Apr 2006 (CDT)

==Reversion==
I thought I should mention that [[Neopets, The Website]] has been vanadlised, so is probably in need of a reversion. It's when I noticed this that I realised that I am not aware if a formal structure for reporting vandalised articles exist: could you clarify what we are meant to do? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:35, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

:ah! vandals! *attacks* well, reversing the effects of the vandalism is key, and stating that vandalism happened as well in the "summary". other than that, i don't know of any "formal structure" than that, along with me banning people along the way. --unsigned by [[User:Jacob|Jacob]] (opps!)

::What I mean is, what is an average member like myself meant to do about it? Do we leave you the vandal's name, rank and number and you ensure that they are 'no longer a problem', can we revert the page ourselves, or are we meant to wait for you, etc? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:33, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Members/IP Addresses who i haven't blocked/spoken with yet should be reported to me, and yes, and average members can reverse adverse effects on articles (highly encouraged). clicking previous revisions of an article in its "history" and then saving that edit replaces the current revision.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 14:43, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

==Anti-Neopian Article==
Propose locking of the Anti-Neopian article? As the is the encyclopaedia of Neopets, it would seem logically to include it in an objective way, but the nature of the article is that it likely to encourage vandalism - we do not want to turn the Neodex into one big discussion of issues that are not likely to be resolved. If there are any arguements that either side think should be added, they can always be put into the Talk page first, to maintain the objectiveness of the entry... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:20, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:<nowiki>*</nowiki>bows* good idea. will do so right now. Other than that, how do you feel about the current state of the article?--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:28, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

It makes me wonder how one can draw a connection between a childrens site about animated pets and devil-worship... ;). I think the arguments and counter arguments (and rebuttals) are presented fairly sucinctly. Although personally, I do wonder about a lot of Anti-neopian points, like how they came up with them... They seem somewhat random. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:42, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:If you look back through the history of the article, you can see the written connection between devil worship and Neopets dealt with Scientology as well. I'm guessing they are just trying to anger or excite people to reply violently, as a form of entertainment. we shall see.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:00, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

==Unspoken Rules==
I intend to expand on the Unspoken Rules section on give it a more encyclopaedic voice, but as it is one of the articles linked directly to from Help Contents page, I wanted to confirm with you whether I can do this first? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:31, 30 May 2006 (CDT)

:The help page in general needs a reworking. was going to try and see what i can do about it, looking over other help pages (wikipedia's in general) and the like and see what we need. what help you can offer would be good.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:44, 30 May 2006 (CDT)

==Article for Deletion==
The article [[Root Canal Champion]] originally just said "hi" I changed the text to what it currently is. --[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 21:33, 22 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:Root Canal Champion will not and should not be deleted. it should be filled with the proper data, as it is a term used on Neopets in reference to a trophy TNT members have on their user lookups. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:54, 23 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Proposal: Game Hints==
Post 68.142.54.193's modifictaion of the [[Extreme Herder]] page and [[Talk: Extreme Herder|talk page]], it has occured to me that there are a lot of game techniques which we could record, under a 'Tatics' heading, on the game pages, perhaps? Do we have your 'go' on this? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 15:45, 5 Aug 2006 (CDT)

:You have my "go" for that. Collected tactics and practices of games were going to be part of the NeoDex from the start i believe (along wit the history and such of course ;) ). --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:55, 5 Aug 2006 (CDT)

==Question: TCG links==
A lot of TCG links at the bottom of pages have just been left as [name], with no actual link (e.g. [Gormball]): are these meant to link to the image of the trading card, or to the little pop-up page one gets when one clicks on them on the TCG Checklist, or... ? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:32, 7 Aug 2006 (CDT)

:The TCG links (and NeoDeck links for that matter) are meant "to be filled", as i didn't feel like doing the work at the time to fill them out. yes, i was lazy. :D The proper links can be found in the examples of [[JubJub]]. For NeoDeck, it's the pop up description while viewing a users neodeck (or the spoiler page). For TCG cards, it's the when a user clicks the card on the checklist. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 11:39, 7 Aug 2006 (CDT)

==Neopets Ad Comic...Things==
You've probably noticed the 5 ([http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic1.swf 1], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic2.swf 2], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic3.swf 3], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic4.swf 4], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic5.swf 5]) new comic-style adverts that have been appearing on the site (they were mentioned in a [http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=255 recent editorial] too) - I was wondering if you had any idea what we could call them for an article. I'm stumped: 'comics' is too much like the section in the neopian times, they aren't really 'ads'... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:39, 4 Sep 2006 (CDT)

:Put it in the [[Neopets]] article, under a "banner ads" section...or something like that. seeing as banner ads are a big thing on the website, don't see why can't there be a fill section on everything about them, dealing with their contect and their history. and yes, these ARE ads, as they are on the banner ads section. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:54, 4 Sep 2006 (CDT)

==Staff Page Editing==
Ahh that looks much better. Thanks Jacob! (Yukio) --[[User:58.165.59.30|58.165.59.30]] 18:31, 10 Oct 2006 (CDT)

==Non-Neopets created pages==
Hi Jacob, this article has unnecessary links in it that are non-neopets related such as linking to staff members at the fansite. Reccomended for removing the links. Furthermore, someone created actual pages for the staff members which I also vote for deletion. http://www.pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php/TheDailyNeopets

==Admin + Disambiguation==
Hey there, who do you contact to get admin powers? Also, how do you create disambiguation pages on this neopedia? Id like to make one for the wheels im editing at the moment. Thanks. --[[User:Lewisg|Lewisg]] 08:29, 8 Nov 2006 (CST)

:As i am the head admin of the neodex, i'm the one to contact about being an administrator. And creating a disambiguation page is just like creating a normal page, which links to all the other articles which have "disambiguaty", and link to the [[:Category: Disambiguation |Disambiguation category]]. Look in their for examples of them. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:54, 8 Nov 2006 (CST)

==Current Events==
Its the 17th and we still have the October calender >_> [[User:82.27.224.85|82.27.224.85]] 13:23, 17 Nov 2006 (CST)

:wow. thank you for pointing that out. :D no, we are in November now, as the dates in the "calender box" show. i just forgot to change the month title. Again, thank you. *thumbs up* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 18:10, 17 Nov 2006 (CST)

== Taking the Next Step ==
Hola Jacob :) Now that NeoDex has a decent amount of articles, and in light of your recent news post, I think NeoDex is ready to take the next step, but this is of course whether you're comfortable with it :) I think it's a great time now to start "invading" the Neopets community by opening up affiliation opportunities with NeoDex itself. I've started doing that with http://www.pinkpt.com/neopool What do you think? --[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 19:56, 18 Nov 2006 (CST)

:I'm a little confused by the affiliations you speak of, as you make it sound like the NeoDex and Neopool are seperate from PinkPT, when in fact they are sections and departments of the same area. Wouldn't it be simpler to have all affiliations be with PinkPT itself? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 22:06, 18 Nov 2006 (CST)

::Yep that already occurs, but allowing section affiliation (essentially sections that are large enough to be identified as their own stand-alone site) allows added exposure for not only PPT has a whole, but also that section itself. Your call. --[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 22:54, 18 Nov 2006 (CST)

==Banning?==
Understand that I do not wish to undermine you for a moment, but taking into account what you posted as news on PinkPT recently about whether some editors of the Neodex had been banned through ignorance  rather than malicious intent, don't you think giving someone 20,000 hours for adding a emoticon to an article to be something of an overkill? Especially when someone who added a advertising image got only 24...? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:04, 10 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Touche. You are right on that. I'm pretty random with the bannings, aren't i? What would you reccomend? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:36, 10 Dec 2006 (CST)

Well, we really should sort out some sort of vandalism scale, with suggested hours for each level of vandalism noted, rising for repeat offenders within a range of hours per crime. Probably as part of [[Neodex:Banning]]...Let me see what I can come up with... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:28, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

:It's easy to spot vandalizers. people who just post smileys or say "hi" are part of it, though they may be unintentional, and "seeing for themselves" if they can REALLY type in whatever they want and show it to the world. so i guess people who do things like that should at least receive some warning instead of complete banning (unless, of course, they do it to several pages, and should really know better). next higher offender would be those who upload content for the purpose of advertizing their account. the worst offenders are those who place malicious or abhorent material on articles (spam links, or random wiki code with no data in them). So i suppose a system could be written around those levels, yes?

:out of curiousity, would you think it proper to look through all the currently blocked IPs in reguards to this, and unblock a few? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:37, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

::I took the initiative and looked through all the blocked IPs, taking mercy on a few of them (and cross referencing with the Wikipedia list of IPs as well, just to be sure). I think the remainder of the IPs on our list are questionable in what they have given enough to keep them there...i think. *ponders* again, you can have a look to see. As always, an ongoing process. let's hope for the best. *salute* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 00:35, 28 Dec 2006 (CST)

I noticed you seem to increase the expiry time for vandals posting vulgar links from time to time. I just don't understand the sense of it. As the IPs nor the posted links are never the same, this won't prevent further spamming. I'm not against your time regulations, I just don't see the sense. Mind to explain?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 08:21, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)

:I'm random. That's basically the whole summary of it all. :D Plus i do think the IPs are all connected, as the neoboard talk page has been a large target as of late, with the offender(s) possibly having several different IPs in place. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 18:29, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)

==HTML-wiki-converter==
I just didn't know who to speak with so I speak with you. Your user page says that you know a bit HTML. Do you know the [http://diberri.dyndns.org/wikipedia/html2wiki/index.html HTML-wiki-converter?] I thought it might be helpful. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 13:12, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Thank you for the link. this is a very helpful teaching tool. It can allow those who understand html to understand wiki markup better (and vice versa), and allow faster conversion of data. while looking into this, i found [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Tools/Editing tools|other helpful tools]] as well. Lots of things to look into. Again, thank you. *bows* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 14:55, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

==Your edit to Galem==
I do not get the edit to Galem. You said it was "vulgar" what was that? Also, it looked like Galem lost his heart to me, look closely at the silliouette. --Unsigned by 66.63.86.156 00:55, 12 Dec 2006

:It's nothing more than the artists whim, similar to the switching of the jaw colour with Darigan. Also, Neopets would never visibly show something like that to users, especially when the image is right there in fron of us. Seriously, why would the TNT show that to a mostly younger crowd? They wouldn't. exactly. you can look into it all you want, but that didn't and couldn't happen. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 19:29, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

::His death seems that was to me. [[User:66.63.86.156|66.63.86.156]] 13:45, 12 Dec 2006 (CST)

==Red "!"==
Hey there Jacob. What does the Red "!" on the Recent updates page mean? Ive never seen them on another wiki before lol. --[[User:Lew|Lew]] 18:01, 13 Dec 2006 (CST)

:It shows whenever any edit to a page occurs. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:20, 13 Dec 2006 (CST)

::It depends on the preferences of the wiki. In some wikis, only sysops are able to see them. You can klick the "diff" link of the edit and mark it as patrolled meaning that the difference was checked by somebody. This will remove the red "!". The question is, is it useful to make the feature available to all users? --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 10:04, 14 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Oh. I can't say I've noticed. I usually go through all the edits on the Recent Changes page to check they are all valid, patrolled or not... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:39, 14 Dec 2006 (CST)

I've begun to take addvantage of this feature and patrol the articles as per my duties as admin (or should at least be my duties). This will signify that a user has looked over the data and has seen it and another user doesn't need to look it over (they still can of course). Having this be a sysop exclusive would be much better too. *ponders* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:05, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

==Site protection==
I noticed that in the discussion about Galgarroth you said that you will suspend everybody who claims Galgarroth is dead for a while. Don't you have the possibility to "protect" an article/make it editable only by registred members or sysops? I think the link should look like [http://www.pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Galgarroth&action=protect this].--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 03:30, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

:I just found [[NeoDex:Protected page]]. I really shouldn't tell a sysop what he can do on a wiki. A big sorry for that. :( --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 08:33, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

Not wishing to hijack this question from Jacob, but should edits to the Galgarroth article that contravene the discussion continue, the page may be protected in addition to a temporary suspension, yes. 

And we are all editors, suggestions are always welcome. :). --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:59, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

:It's really alright Himmelsdemon. :D Macbeth is right though, that we may need to protect the article should edits continue as they were, even though i would like to leave the article open for all users to edit, as it really isn't a very large or controversial character like Lord Darigan/Dr. Frank Sloth/Fyora (and i do worry about those articles should disputes arise :o ). But it will be done should it occur. will hope it will never have to come to that. *fingers crossed* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:13, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

::Well, now I have to officially ask you to make [[NeoBoard]] editable for registered users only. It drives me mad. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:11, 9 Jan 2007 (CST)

==User Page Protection==
Would you like to put the '''<nowiki>{{protected}}</nowiki>''' template on your user page? I won't do it myself as, well, it's up to you if you want it, as it is not a mainspace article. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:32, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)

:I think the template would make the page look a little off, so i'm fine with just having it be protected and not have it be notified as such with template.

==Coding update==
I saw at [[Talk:Jelly World]] that there will be an update for the wiki. May I ask what exactly is planned?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 07:11, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

:I talked to Yukio about it, and said he would contact the proper people about it. Will hopefully hear something more soon. perhaps we could include your idea? *points to topic below*

==Protecting Talk Pages==
We can't start protected talk pages, vandalism or not. They are designed specifically to remain unprotected so that the contents of the article, whether protected or otherwise, can be discussed... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:16, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

:Well, maybe the whole load of Neodex/index.phtml or whatever should be deleted and we would look what happens. (Just adding it as you reminded me of this, Macbeth). Maybe the wiki could be coded so that we can protect the page from editing by IPs, but not from editing by registered users? *pokes comment above* --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:03, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

You are right Macbeth, in that we can't protect talk pages. A goof by me on my part, and i'll make sure all talk pages hence forth remain free of protection. Though i do have to admit the spamming infuriates me...and i'm sure i'm not the only one. But again, no more protecting them. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:05, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

Himmelsdemon? That's a wonderful idea. Having only registered users being able to edit articles would totally eliminate the problem with spamming IPs, allowing us to overview and control what goes into the NeoDex easier. It would then force everyone to log in of course, and i think spammers would then just create accounts to spam with, but it least it would be easier to maintain the integrity of the NeoDex. Perhaps this could be included in the updating to take place? *points to topic above* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:05, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

Well, I think I expressed a bit wrong what I meant. The idea was to be able to protect pages so that only registered users are able to edit them, not making the wiki "IP-free". We had this before on our German wiki, but I think this made the wiki less attractive to writers. People seem to be somewhat...afraid of logging in into new pages.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 11:40, 1 Mar 2007 (CST)
:And yet willing to edit and display an IP address... Heh. Wikipedia does have a semi-protection system to block unregistered users editing certain pages. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:23, 2 Mar 2007 (CST)

==Spam protection==
In reference to the above: I also recently found [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features this]. Any way it could be used in the wiki filtering codes like <a href=... and [url]?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 01:59, 11 Mar 2007 (CST)

:Those are some nice features which could be used, and i really like the idea of the "SpamBlacklist extension" and "ConfirmEdit extension". SpamBlacklist extension could currently be used, but we will still need to update the wiki to use ConfirmEdit extension. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 09:59, 11 Mar 2007 (CST)

The spam problem is really getting out of hand now... It's crazy! I just hope it's due to weekends, and not due to automated script. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] 03:07, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

::You are right...it is crazy. The ammount of spamming which is going on seems to be growing as well. I sure hope my words of updating are being taken seriously, as we can't really do our job of proper editing when we keep having to correct the "errors" of others. :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 09:33, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

By the way, when you happen to have free time, could you go through [[Special:Listusers]] and delete some users completely from the database? Some of the names are just inappropriate.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:06, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

===Relevant PHP-code===
There should be a file called LocalSettings.php somewhere on the webspace. That is the file which defines all the relevant things regarding the wiki. These lines need to be inserted into the code:
<pre># Disable anonymous editing
$wgWhitelistEdit = true;</pre>
because this is the Mediawiki-version 1.4.7 (I checked at [[Special:Version]]). Anyway, it seems so be even easier than I thought (unless the PHP is stored somewhere else). 
Informations are taken from [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_editing_of_all_pages Mediawiki manual].--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 10:09, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:I think I can see where to shove that in ;). Question is, do we really want to disable anonymous editing? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:51, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

::Unless there is a way we could upgrade to Mediawiki version 1.5 (or above) without losing all the content, this is the only way for now to get rid of the spam. I also hope that, when the spammers realize they cant edit any pages, they will refrain from trying to do so in the future. We could remove the protection after a certain time.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 14:16, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:Something needs to be done. Urgently. There are bots that post links to sites that contain, let me say this straight away, adult content (I just blocked one such bot for 10 years). I know this sounds pathetic, but please think of the children. I think all the bots damage Neodex a lot far more than the unability for anonymous users to edit would do. If you really know what to do, Macbeth, this definitely needs to be done.<br>Apologies to Jacob for using this site for such discussions.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:46, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

::You need not worry Demon. I understand the urgency of the situation, and i'm quite tired of all the bots myself. On a side note, do you think it would be best to delete all previous edits of the talk page once this coding has been implemented (i.e. delete and recreate the article), so no one has see see the "edit summary" of the bots? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 00:38, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

:::I think it is a good idea.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 08:55, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

::::Bad idea: we would lose the 'valid' page history. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:58, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::Uhm, I thought, Jacob was referring to deleting the article and restoring only the harmless versions.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 13:23, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

The method i would use: I would save the "clean" version of the talk pages (which have not been used for anything except vandalism and letting people know about it to begin with), and delete the talk page. would then recreate it with the clean talk page. all the revisions would still be saved for us admins to look over (deleted as they are), and the new history would be clean slate. I think it's better than having over 250 revisions of xanax and other spammed edit summaries confusing people...yes, there have been over 250 vandalisms on the armada page. :(

:I just uploaded this coding into the local settings file...seems to work. :S Will know soon enough how this all turns out. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:33, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

::I think it is safe to say anon. editing blocking has worked wondrously. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 15:31, 15 Jun 2007 (UTC)

:::It worked for awhile at least. Now accounts are just being created to spam. Great. :( In either case, another measure can be made for this, such as [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEmailAuthentication email authentication]...though the coding of the wiki would need to be updraged first. And should that be done, we can then use others things such as [[wikipedia:CAPTCHA|CAPTCHA]] and blacklists to stop the vandalism if even authentication isn't enough. Mind you, vandalism can never be fully stopped, as there is nothing stopping any random editor from creating an account normally and causing destruction...but we can at least stop bots and make a system difficult for them to manipulate. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:27, 19 Jun 2007 (UTC)
::::Yeah. CAPTCHA ''can'' be implemented with MediaWiki, I am quite positive. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 18:16, 19 Jun 2007 (UTC)

==Games Category==
Jacob, I added the category:games stuff to Snowmuncher and Jelly Blobs, because without them they don't show up on the main Games page (the one linked from the Main Page), which seems pretty undesirable to me.  Is there a reason *not* to have them?  Other games have both the category and subcategory.  [[User:Belltower|Belltower]] 10:06, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:In my opinion, if we are still following the [[NeoDex:Categorization|categorization rules]], we should remove the games category from all existing games on Neodex (except those which is impossible to have a sub-category). Unless we are going to use the games category page as a games index page, it's rather pointless to categorize a game as an "action game" and "game" at the same time... --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] 11:03, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

::Since the [[Main Page]] links to the [[:Category: Games]] page, I'd say there either should be a redesign where it links to a different games page, or items should get the above category.  Personally, I like having a master list. Plenty of Neopets games have elements of more than one category, so if I'm searching for a game whose name or spelling I've forgotten, I'd rather not have to guess whether it's a puzzle game or an action game. On the other hand, I can see a strong counter-argument: sponsor games of a limited lifetime would clog up such a list in a hurry. --[[User:Belltower|Belltower]] 11:46, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Yes, we ''are'' following the [[NeoDex:Categorization|categorization rules]] set. Individual games will not be labelled with the "Games" category, but all the sub-categories (action, puzzle, etc.) of game types it belongs to ([[Scourge of the Lab Jellies]] is a "board game" and "puzzle"). Only if there is no sub-category for it to go in should a game be placed in the games category. Game articles which already have the games category attached to them are that way because they haven't been taken off yet.

if you are looking for a certain game you've forgotten the title of and don't want to guess which sub-category of gaming it belongs to (which ''will'' show up on the games category), you can use the search box on the left hand side to help you (for more information, see [[NeoDex:Searching]]). misspelled titles (those found) will usually redirect to the proper article, and [[:Category:Disambiguation|Disambiguation]] articles will help as well. and yes, it's realized sponsor game articles would clog up the subcategory lists, and that is wy they have [[:Category:Sponsored Games|their own category]]. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:35, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:Perhaps the [[Main Page]] should link to [[Games]] then, and not [[:Category: Games]]? --[[User:Belltower|Belltower]] 17:04, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

::Updating of the front page will come soon, though i'm hesitant to having it link to the games room. the games room focuses only on games found there, and there are many other games. At least this is what comes to my mind when i think of it, and this may not be the case when i looked at indepth. All the same, thank you for bringing this to attention, and hope to update the frontpage accordingly very soon. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:12, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

==Neodex Policies (and other stories...)==
Contemplating the recent revamp into the help section, it occurs to me that perhaps the Neodex could benefit from a [[Neodex:Criteria for inclusion|Criteria for inclusion]], a la [[Wikipedia:WP:NOT|What Wikipedia is not]]... A lot of it will be similar to the Wikipedia article on the topic, but there would be some key differences - e.g., no biographies of actual users excepting staff members... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:46, 27 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:(Of course, we also have the [[Neodex:Policy|Policy]] page, which sort of equates to the Wikipedia's five pillars. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:52, 27 Apr 2007 (CDT))

::thank you for the word. this does sound like a good idea, and where to have the information...i don't really know. :( Will need to discuss, think, and rashly edit to see what works i guess. On what articles aren't allowed, i recently deleted articles about a series of toons in the Neopian Times, due to the creator not showing any big relevence to neopets (plus it doesn't seem proper to have such an article). While that's an easier thing to decide on, articles speaking of certain users may be another. Some users are very notable (such as featheralley), and users may want to have an article on the user. But i don't think it would be proper all the same, so perhaps it would be good to lay out the "no user article" rule. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 09:33, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:::Indeed. I recall recently that some added ''Majal_kita'' to the list of famous Jetsams... I think it would be best not to include users outside of TNT and actual Neopets due to the double standards that will inevitably occur due to notability. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:58, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

==HI JAKE==
hi, um, do you know what type of faerie Fyora is? --unsigned by 71.92.99.181 (Tara) 03:43, 5 May 2007

:[[Fyora]] is the ''Faerie Queen''. :P I don't think she falls under any one alignment, and is capable of all forms of magic (some other special faeries have shown this power as well). To discuss Fyora further, you can use her articles talk page. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:16, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

==Petpetpet article==
Since you mentioned that there were 7 original [[petpetpet]]s ([[Vernax]] article), do you happen to know which petpetpets belong to that group? I'm assuming /petpetpet1.gif - /petpetpet4.gif, but what are the other 3? It seems unlikely that /petpetpet5.gif and /petpetpet6.gif ever were released at all. [[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 14:21, 10 Jun 2007 (UTC)

:You can read about the 7 petpetpets from the mouth of The Neopets Team itself in [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=102 editorial 102]...they are named as well. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 14:31, 10 Jun 2007 (UTC)

==Petpet==
[http://www.neopets.com/~100bottles]. Yes, I will eventually (when both university and my little CC-project do not require my attention anymore) edit those articles and add pictures of the Petpets' previous incarnations, as well as adding more article-worthy text. Until then, here's your proof and you'll just have to trust me. As for editing my old post, I din't think it would harm anyone considering no one had replied yet. [[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 15:24, 18 Jun 2007 (UTC)

==Disco Pets?==
I wasn't sure who to ask about this, but I was wondering why there isn't a page on the color disco. Since it's a color for both neopets and petpets and also featured in many items, I think this should be a page. --Unsigned by Lombre459 17:44, 27 Jun 2007

:Thank you for bringing this to my attention. ;) While Neopets, Petpets and items can all share certain themes, having an article about a each of the themes really doesn't make sense. Can you imagine an article about "Red", and the fact neopets/petpets can be coloured that way, and all red items shared? Seems a little silly, doesn't it? :S

:However, "Disco" is one of those colours which may be notable. besides showing the eccentric content TNT creates, some of the colours also give Neopets clothing for the Neopets customisation feature (at least i think this is right). Having it as an article is something of discussion, which i'm willing to have. *opens up ears*

:For future notices and questions, you can also visit the [[NeoDex talk:Community Portal|Community Portal discussion]], where you can address the community rather than a particular editor. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:14, 27 Jun 2007 (UTC)

I think this may be one of the more notable colors. I think it may be one which deserves a page.--[[User:Lombre459|Lombre459]] 03:42, 28 Jun 2007 (UTC)

::Mmm. I think it is notable enough for an article, also. You are welcome to create one, Lombre459 :¬). --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:11, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)

==Under Construction==
Just wondering what the Construction template on [[The Great Desert Race]] was for. --[[User:Hespitinmysoup|Hespitinmysoup]] 04:22, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:For one (and most important), the article didn't have the gaming template on it which should be placed on all game articles which apply. Also, I thought a more detailed and structured outline of the game and game mechanics was needed (and no, i didn't mean take out the "The Game" section). For examples of good game articles, see [[Web of Vernax]] and [[Faerie Bubbles]]. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:55, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)
::kk, I modeled it after [[Eye of the Storm]] sorry, thought that was the par for a decent article. {{sign|Hespitinmysoup}}

==Battledome Equipment articles==
I'm just putting down basic information. There are a lot of things that are still missing and I was just working on filling in the blanks before making them "notable" --Unsigned by Daeron 22:50, 3 Jul 2007

:I can understand where you're coming from. I used to spend quite a bit of my time on wikipedia. I noticed that there was no format for such a thing and I figured I'd use my experience to start one. May I ask why I should look at the template? --Unsigned by Daeron 23:07, 3 Jul 2007

::The way you are currently using the template doesn't seem right. I haven't looked at all the articles you've used it for yet, but you mentioned it as "attack: 2", when i'm sure it's more than that, ESPECIALLY with the faerie alignment each battledome equipment uses.

::Why are you moving the conversation to my talk page when I started it on yours? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:14, 3 Jul 2007 (UTC)

==HTML Help==
I need help, when I do not add the page to my favourites it adds, and you know the bar that says the url of the page you are in, and when i type, (i.e. www.p), and it says pinkpt.com, how do i get rid of it? --AchyfiLover

:If you ''start'' a discussion on YOUR talk page, DO NOT continue it on mine. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:34, 8 Aug 2007 (UTC)

==Adding Items==
In the big picture, is there going to be a wiki article for each item? {{sign|Jocelyn}}

:No, as has been stated in a few articles and other discussion (see [[Talk:Main Page]], [[NeoDex talk:Community Portal]], [[Template talk:BattleItem]], [[User talk:Daeron]], and the recently created [[Talk:Ummagine]] for more examples...I know there are more across the NeoDex somewhere). To make an article about ''every'' item would be crazy. Can you imagine an article about "Bread", which is an item on Neopets? What articles to include should always be discussed before creating (use the [[NeoDex talk:Community Portal]] or an [[NeoDex:Administrators|admins]] talk page for this). --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:42, 14 Aug 2007 (UTC)

::On this note, we should write a criteria for inclusion... :/ --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 22:32, 14 Aug 2007 (UTC)

==Wiki Image==
Maybe a bit of a silly question, but what is a "wiki image". You put the banner at the [[Mibblie]] article back up requesting for a wiki image, even though the article already has an image. Is it prefered to use uploaded files to illustrate articles? [[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 20:17, 18 Aug 2007 (UTC)

:Wiki image refers to an internal image in the NeoDex database. The image there was an external link, aka pulled from the Neopets database. For more information, see [[Help:Images]]. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 03:19, 19 Aug 2007 (UTC)

==Wondering==
Can one change the name of an image file? -[[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 08:30, 19 Sep 2007 (UTC)

:I believe you are referring to the current [[Vaeolus]] image, right? The answer is no. If a new title is desired for any image, it must be reuploaded with a different title. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:50, 19 Sep 2007 (UTC)

==Staff Page Clean==
Hey Jacob! I was looking at the staff page, updating bits here and there, and was wondering if you could perhaps look at cleaning it up given your experience with coding at WIKI? More specifically, the retired staff members list is starting to overwhelm the active staff lists page. Hmmm what do you think can be done? --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 23:22, 28 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:Will see what can be done. Will probably throw in a wiki table to make it more compact. And just so you know, I think it would be good to explain your removal of previous show hosts and other staff members, because they aren't even in the retired section. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:18, 29 Oct 2007 (UTC)

::Ta. Once the structure is in, I can play around with the listings a bit more. I asked you because you were familiar with how to code things here. Hosts were removed because the show doesn't really operate on a permanent host basis... we have changing guest hosts every episode so to have them in as "staff" would be inaccurate. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 04:51, 30 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:::I guess that makes sense. Should a list of all past hosts be made all the same? Like on the main PPT Show article which isn't created yet, along with other PPT material? In either case, will do what I can for the [[PinkPT Staff]] page. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:57, 30 Oct 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry for the little trouble ==
I'm sorry,so sorry,not explaining well,but I'm just a newbie,and also sorry for not answering on days! I was busy on AC 3 {{sign|Andycortez221}}

== I just can't seem to win ==

Yet another setback in my life which is going to delay the NeoDex even further: my computer is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATfkpEV-LGk out of commision]. A lot of my work (personal work at least) and plans were set around the computer, so I'm at a loss as to where to go from here. Will be reviewing my repair options, and how I can hopefully continue to maintain a presence online. Even though I'm pretty much going to be gone. Just when I happened to get a hang of thing, ''this'' happens to me. I can't seem to get a break, you know? :(

Anyway, just wanted to let you all know the situation. Will hopefully get things worked out soon... *sigh* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 22:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
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