The Return of Dr Sloth (split 3)

warnold · **Posts:** 29 **Joined:** Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:58 pm

Trilian8 wrote:

It depends on your key. In one 2 modifier puzzle X+X=V, but in another X+X=C

Of course it depends on your key. That was why I included it in my question.
In all my 2 modifier puzzles, in any position, a key of V + a modifier of V + a modifier of V gave a result of X
and so forth through the combinations.
I was lucky enough that there was a V in all my puzzles, so that's the only one I did a full search with.

Also on my 2 modifier puzzles, the order of the 3 elements in interchangable, so
V+V+C=V and V+C+V=V and C+V+V=V

(NOTE: there are occasional graphic glitches. Just remove and replace a modifier, and it will reset so it looks right)

Does anyone else match my results so far?

Rubywinged · **Posts:** 559 **Joined:** Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:38 am

theonlysaneone wrote:

Guys, pay more attention to the LAST digit that changes than you do the first. If this is an addition problem, as I expect, the last digit is the only one unaffected by carrying.

Here's an example:

1234 + ____ = 3321

The number you want is 2087, but 7 is the only one you can figure out at first because the rest may have 1 added to them thanks to carrying.

I finally figured out that it was impossible to solve one that had incomplete data

oh oh i think you are onto something we should be giving them numbers because for example if i make the 8 looking thing its like a 0 because no matter what symbol i put under it the 'answer' is the same symbol

(edit: of course i mean just in this particular puzzle im working on... prehaps this idea could be how we crack how the key works?)

Tachi · **Posted:** Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:37 am

I do know three of those V_. things make an X... So there may really be a pattern to this.

Edit: And, it also seems that if you have the correct codes, it doesn't matter which modifier they're placed in, as long as you have the two or three.

warnold · **Posts:** 29 **Joined:** Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:58 pm

Lee wrote:

I'm having trouble with the significance of the key especially since I'm guessing. Anyone willing to explain the key?

The key is the first element you're summing.
KEY +MOD1 +MOD2 = Result

(Note: I didn't see any carrying in the 2 modifier puzzles, and I would have if the symbols are distinct and this is straight addition.)

Matrinka · **Posted:** Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:40 am

Here are the messages I've discovered, so far:

laurenb · **Posts:** 168 **Joined:** Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:06 am

Ugh. 10 three modifier codes left.

smudgeoffudge · **Posted:** Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:41 am

Carv--

Don't leave the shop, just hide in the back if you can. Sloth's minions have invaded the station, they've taken over the main concourse. I have to go now, they're comi--

Doesn't say who this message is from and I don't know who Carv is. I think part of the name is missing.

Can we get into the back of a shop?

Byakuya San · **Posted:** Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:45 am

Oh god, this looks fun...
So far:

theonlysaneone · **Posted:** Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:46 am

Rubywinged wrote:

theonlysaneone wrote:

Guys, pay more attention to the LAST digit that changes than you do the first. If this is an addition problem, as I expect, the last digit is the only one unaffected by carrying.

Here's an example:

1234 + ____ = 3321

The number you want is 2087, but 7 is the only one you can figure out at first because the rest may have 1 added to them thanks to carrying.

I finally figured out that it was impossible to solve one that had incomplete data

oh oh i think you are onto something we should be giving them numbers because for example if i make the 8 looking thing its like a 0 because no matter what symbol i put under it the 'answer' is the same symbol

(edit: of course i mean just in this particular puzzle im working on... prehaps this idea could be how we crack how the key works?)

That's exactly what I'm saying. This is a classic digit substitution puzzle. Every answer will take this form:

CCCBBB
+VVXXPP
VVPCPX

That one is impossible to solve, but you get the idea.

EDIT: Maybe that's not how it works. There's another possibility: that it works like an addition problem, but there's no carrying. For instance, if V = 5 and X = 7, and V+X = C, you would expect C to be 12. Since that's impossible, I think C would be 2 and the 1 would be ignored. Let's try both.

EDIT2: It's also looking, judging by the easiest messages, that the key is the same from message to message.

Rubywinged · **Posts:** 559 **Joined:** Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:38 am

okay that math problem just ouched me cause im so bad at math.... this one is very tricky even for TNT..... maybe we are all overthinking this?

I feel like we should be focusing on the key. A key is a code to help it shouldnt be anything that we are adding to the other 2 or 3 symbols to get the answer.

Matrinka · **Posted:** Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:50 am

I just go by combos and ignore the digits. If I substitute numbers my brain will self-destruct. I only have 9 (*whimper*) more 3 digit substitutions to go.

I work on getting the different combos to create the first symbol... then its all trial and error from there. I'm actually going to NEED a couple of days for this one, I think.

Rubywinged · **Posts:** 559 **Joined:** Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:38 am

I'm still trying to solve any of my 2 missing ones >.< brain hurt

Siouxper · **Posted:** Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:54 am

I only have 5 of the 20 solved

(And those are the 1 modifier ones)

Lee · **Posted:** Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:57 am

Matrinka wrote:

I just go by combos and ignore the digits. If I substitute numbers my brain will self-destruct. I only have 9 (*whimper*) more 3 digit substitutions to go.

I work on getting the different combos to create the first symbol... then its all trial and error from there. I'm actually going to NEED a couple of days for this one, I think.

Same here. I can get the two modifier, it's the three modifier I'm having trouble with.

I'm trying to apply the same way of working, find the first then move on. It just takes a bit as expected.

Deevil · **Posted:** Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:09 am

Wondering how close the message codes are from person to person...for example, my message ID 6 is a two modifier puzzle. The Key is VPGP88 and the target is P88GPV.

This is the first 2 modifier I have solved and the answer for my message 6 was:

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