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 Post subject: Your website: what a cluttered mess.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:19 pm 
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Hi guys, let me introduce myself. I am a semi-professional web designer. I have taken two years of web design courses, and I am going on my third next year. Anyway, I was searching google for neopets advice when I came across your website.

Whoever designed your website needs to be fired. The site layout is trash. I have never seen such a POS design in my entire life. It looks worse than the stuff that comes out my rear end and appears in the toilet.

The first monstrosity is the Kym Huynh spam plastered all over the website. I don't know who the hell that is, but whoever it is is cluttering up the site really badly. What does PinkPT have to do with this guy.

The next abomination of web design is the huge, gigantic, obstructive ads on your web site. I understand that all web sites need ads to stay alive, but this is just plain wrong. See, when there are so many ads stamped all over the place like that, it actually makes it impossible to find anything. They are flashing so many different colours it gives me a headache. You are going to get sued one day because an epileptic guy is going to die from your website. When the ads get so intrusive like this, that it actually causes people to leave your web site, you know you fail in life.

The next problem is the stupid affiliates toolbar at the top of the thing. How many people do you think are going to visit PPT to learn more about sailor moon, Avada Kedavra, or dancing/singing? Your affiliates have to be SOMEWHAT related to what your website is about, otherwise no one is going to bother to visit their sites, unless they just click for curiosity.

the next thing is that there are messed up, random links and information all over the place. Do we really need to know what the secret snow wager times are? why can't you just put all that stuff together on s SEPARATE PAGE? And all those colourful buttons going along the right side of the page. It makes be puke. They don't match the colours of your site at all.

It's quite sad. The first thing people see when the click your link is just a big wad of crap. they have to scroll down two page widths just to get to the news. why is there a stupid tagbox if you have a forum? Do you really need the subscribe to our newletter thing right in our faces the moment we click? We don't know anything about your site yet, so why would we automatically type our emails in so you can send us your spam? anyone who look one look at your site would be scarred off forever.

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Neopets quick links. Useless. How many people can honestly say that they ever used that? there are hundreds of toolbars and programs that can just automatically click everything for you if you let it run for 2 minutes. who will visit your site for the quick links? they are completely out of place, and add to the clutter.

Sorry guys, but if I was your professor, and you handed this in as your assignment, I would give you a big, fat, "F". This site reminds of my girlfriend's bed room. Crap all over the floor, clothes lying around, a complete mess. I'm sure you've all seen SUPER messy rooms like that.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:27 pm 
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Unfortunately, most people find it rather hard to take advice from people who are blatantly rude.

(btw, Kym Huynh? is the webmaster)


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:45 pm 
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With the level of covnersation you keep up I would say you were a Spam bot if not for the fact that you actually made a post elsewhere.

First off, Kym is the site owner, Yukio, Shoryu Lover, etc. He has the right to plaster the website in whatever he wants.

Secondly, adds? I have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to even see one. minus Kyms own ads.

Thirdly, they aren't affiliates, they're more of PPTs websites. If you look at the web address (being pinkpt.com/) you would figure that out.

Fourthly, the whole point of the buttons is to stand out. They essentially link to the most popular parts of the webstite. The site has been redesigned dozens of times to add in things like these at the request of users.

Fifthly, the news is still on the first scoll page bar for me, I refer back to my screenshot. Move to a higher screen resolution or go away. We aren't forcing you to read it. Some people don't want to join a forum.

The quick links? I'd rather use them then clutter up my window with a toolbar, you yourself being the advocate of uncluttered.

Sorry man , but if I were a professor I'd give your rant a big, fat, "f". You rant reminds me of my pet internet trolls posts, its argument all over the place, not particularly substantial and rather self serving.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:52 pm 
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SHARKY wrote:
Whoever designed your website needs to be fired. The site layout is trash. I have never seen such a POS design in my entire life. It looks worse than the stuff that comes out my rear end and appears in the toilet.


I actually quite like the layout, as I am sure so do many other (if not all) the other members. It is a lot better than other websites I have seen.

SHARKY wrote:
The first monstrosity is the Kym Huynh spam plastered all over the website. I don't know who the hell that is, but whoever it is is cluttering up the site really badly. What does PinkPT have to do with this guy.


As Xela said, Kym Huyn is the webmaster. So basically PinkPT have everything to do with this guy. ;)

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The next abomination of web design is the huge, gigantic, obstructive ads on your web site. I understand that all web sites need ads to stay alive, but this is just plain wrong. See, when there are so many ads stamped all over the place like that, it actually makes it impossible to find anything. They are flashing so many different colours it gives me a headache. You are going to get sued one day because an epileptic guy is going to die from your website. When the ads get so intrusive like this, that it actually causes people to leave your web site, you know you fail in life.


I don't think they are "huge and obtrusive". PinkPT is mainly a neopets site, and most of those adds are to do with neopets...

SHARKY wrote:
the next thing is that there are messed up, random links and information all over the place. Do we really need to know what the secret snow wager times are? why can't you just put all that stuff together on s SEPARATE PAGE? And all those colourful buttons going along the right side of the page. It makes be puke. They don't match the colours of your site at all.


Could you please be more specific? :) As in what messed up random liks? Because from what I see all the links seem to be together.

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It's quite sad. The first thing people see when the click your link is just a big wad of crap. they have to scroll down two page widths just to get to the news. why is there a stupid tagbox if you have a forum? Do you really need the subscribe to our newletter thing right in our faces the moment we click? We don't know anything about your site yet, so why would we automatically type our emails in so you can send us your spam? anyone who look one look at your site would be scarred off forever.


I don't see a "big wad of crap" whenever I go to the site, I normally see what I am looking for. ;)
I think the tagbox is for people who don't neccisariyl want to join the forum, or want to make comments about the site or talk to people who aren't members of the forum...
Its not right in our face. Its on the homepage, where it should be...

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Neopets quick links. Useless. How many people can honestly say that they ever used that? there are hundreds of toolbars and programs that can just automatically click everything for you if you let it run for 2 minutes. who will visit your site for the quick links? they are completely out of place, and add to the clutter.


erm....nearly everybody? Those links can be quite helpfull to the people who don't know were to go.

Just saying. :)


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:05 pm 
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Here. I did a slight fix-up. Lets compare before and after.

My version:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4467/better9sa.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8885/better24pd.jpg

Original:
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7628/wtf23le.jpg


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:07 pm 
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Whilst your informative post provided me seconds of amusement, I'm sure we'd all prefer it if you didn't just join a forum to trash it. :)


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:11 pm 
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Sorry, I couldn't help it. It was burning my eyes.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:12 pm 
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SHARKY wrote:
Sorry, I couldn't help it. It was burning my eyes.


you could have closed them or clicked of the site. ;)


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:14 pm 
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Why do I find it amusing that you complain about adverts and such messing with the site, but you find it perfectly all right to stretch the page out with images?


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With the level of covnersation you keep up I would say you were a Spam bot if not for the fact that you actually made a post elsewhere.

Ok, so anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a spaming troll?

First off, Kym is the site owner, Yukio, Shoryu Lover, etc. He has the right to plaster the website in whatever he wants.

Of course he does. But that isn't what I am talking about

Secondly, adds? I have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to even see one. minus Kyms own ads.

Probably because your desktop resolution is 1600x1200. Most people use 1024x768 or 800x600. My resolution is 1152x876, which is considered above average.

Thirdly, they aren't affiliates, they're more of PPTs websites. If you look at the web address (being pinkpt.com/) you would figure that out.

They don't need to be in the way like that.

Fourthly, the whole point of the buttons is to stand out. They essentially link to the most popular parts of the webstite. The site has been redesigned dozens of times to add in things like these at the request of users.

Too colourful, too bold. Completely offsets the balance of the site.

Fifthly, the news is still on the first scoll page bar for me, I refer back to my screenshot. Move to a higher screen resolution or go away. We aren't forcing you to read it. Some people don't want to join a forum.

Thats because you are using a super-high resolution.

The quick links? I'd rather use them then clutter up my window with a toolbar, you yourself being the advocate of uncluttered.

Sorry man , but if I were a professor I'd give your rant a big, fat, "f". You rant reminds me of my pet internet trolls posts, its argument all over the place, not particularly substantial and rather self serving.

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Why do I find it amusing that you complain about adverts and such messing with the site, but you find it perfectly all right to stretch the page out with images?


Sorry... I forgot to put a thumbnail.


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I've seen some trolls in my time, but you seriously take the biscuit :battar: Constructive criticism is always good, but rudeness just totally reflects your how unprofessional you are :)


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SHARKY wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Why do I find it amusing that you complain about adverts and such messing with the site, but you find it perfectly all right to stretch the page out with images?


Sorry... I forgot to put a thumbnail.


From when I fist saw your post, it was a thumbnail...you made it larger later on...

(notice the "Last edited by SHARKY on Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:10 pm; edited 2 times in total" at the bottom of your post)

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Twitchy wrote:
SHARKY wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Why do I find it amusing that you complain about adverts and such messing with the site, but you find it perfectly all right to stretch the page out with images?


Sorry... I forgot to put a thumbnail.


From when I fist saw your post, it was a thumbnail...you made it larger later on...

(notice the "Last edited by SHARKY on Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:10 pm; edited 2 times in total" at the bottom of your post)

*claps Jelly*


Original Post: Images were too small, poor quality (putfile does that).
1st edit: Uploaded images 1, 2 to imageshack.
2nd edit: Added 3rd image.

jellyoflight wrote:
I've seen some trolls in my time, but you seriously take the biscuit :battar: Constructive criticism is always good, but rudeness just totally reflects your how unprofessional you are :)


Oh, I see. To be allowed to post here, I have to act all happy happy like I am on drugs. grow up kids.


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SHARKY wrote:
Twitchy wrote:
SHARKY wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Why do I find it amusing that you complain about adverts and such messing with the site, but you find it perfectly all right to stretch the page out with images?


Sorry... I forgot to put a thumbnail.


From when I fist saw your post, it was a thumbnail...you made it larger later on...

(notice the "Last edited by SHARKY on Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:10 pm; edited 2 times in total" at the bottom of your post)

*claps Jelly*


Original Post: Images were too small, poor quality (putfile does that).
1st edit: Uploaded images 1, 2 to imageshack.
2nd edit: Added 3rd image.


ahhh yes I see. But when I clicked them to make then bigger the images turned out fine. :) I don't know if I have a "weird" computer or not, but what I saw was fine. :)

SHARKY wrote:
jellyoflight wrote:
I've seen some trolls in my time, but you seriously take the biscuit :battar: Constructive criticism is always good, but rudeness just totally reflects your how unprofessional you are :)


Oh, I see. To be allowed to post here, I have to act all happy happy like I am on drugs. grow up kids.


No, you just have to be able to post in a way that is still critisizing, but not inviting a flame war. ;)


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Its how people respond to my post that causes a flamewar, not the original post.


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