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Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:35 am

Well, I think we can safely conclude that, if any one us were to make up a plot, then it would be one of the hardest ever, due to the fact that it would be impossible to follow. (How could anybody hope to follow some of the ideas here? They'd need a year to understand the backstory. It could be amusing, though.

Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:49 am

I think he was talking to the forum in general....

Yeah I barely understand the theory I came up with... obviously my brain is trying to tell me something through things it comes up with and that is that i need sleep so I will see you chillin' tomarra.

Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:51 am

only_shades_of_grey wrote:I think he was talking to the forum in general....

Yeah I barely understand the theory I came up with... obviously my brain is trying to tell me something through things it comes up with and that is that i need sleep so I will see you chillin' tomarra.


It did become a bit chaotic. Anyway, we should put this time to good use.

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Any ideas?

So we're pretty sure that it will either be the Wave, the Gladiator or the Thief.

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:18 am

CONGRATULATIONS!
YOU'VE IDENTIFIED A NEW CONSTELLATION!

I guess looking ahead is forbidden now. The Dancer wasn't in the same position as before. Oh, well - took me three minutes to find it. 8)

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:25 am

Jez wrote:CONGRATULATIONS!
YOU'VE IDENTIFIED A NEW CONSTELLATION!

I guess looking ahead is forbidden now. The Dancer wasn't in the same position as before. Oh, well - took me three minutes to find it. 8)


Well done. You got me excited there for a mnute - I thought you'd discovered the sixth constellation.

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:38 am

Why is it that the people in Altador actually *want* to learn their history.does anyone else butme find this weird...?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:43 am

snowykittenz wrote:Why is it that the people in Altador actually *want* to learn their history.does anyone else butme find this weird...?


People everywhere want to know their history. Otherwise nobody would know what happened a long time ago. Anyway, he's an Archivist. His entire job is historically-based. He needs to know the history of Altador not only out of personal want, but also because it is his job to learn about it. And anyway, I'm sure twelve heroes who were put to sleep for a long time is far more interesting than the New Deal.

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:45 am

Watch "Big O" for a while, and perhaps it might mean something.

Or you could just enjoy watching a robot beat the crap out of other large objects and buildings.

The people don't really seem to care about their past, as nobody had actually realized that it was lost until now.

How does the database for constellations know when you find a constellation? Is it hiding something, or does it miraculously remember when you find it? It seems crazy that you have to find stars in a sky that shifts randomly, for something that shouldn't even work like that. Constellations are made up, not things that you discover. And if they were already in the database, why can't we just ask the database for the coordinates in the first place?

That's my rant for today.

Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:00 am

weirdguy wrote:Watch "Big O" for a while, and perhaps it might mean something.

Or you could just enjoy watching a robot beat the crap out of other large objects and buildings.

The people don't really seem to care about their past, as nobody had actually realized that it was lost until now.

How does the database for constellations know when you find a constellation? Is it hiding something, or does it miraculously remember when you find it? It seems crazy that you have to find stars in a sky that shifts randomly, for something that shouldn't even work like that. Constellations are made up, not things that you discover. And if they were already in the database, why can't we just ask the database for the coordinates in the first place?

That's my rant for today.


I think it's due to Neopia rotating, that the stars change in the sky - like in the real night sky. And the constellations have been discovered - it's just that, conveniently, everybody in Altador has forgotten them.

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:31 am

spoonguardonline wrote:
weirdguy wrote:Watch "Big O" for a while, and perhaps it might mean something.

Or you could just enjoy watching a robot beat the crap out of other large objects and buildings.

The people don't really seem to care about their past, as nobody had actually realized that it was lost until now.

How does the database for constellations know when you find a constellation? Is it hiding something, or does it miraculously remember when you find it? It seems crazy that you have to find stars in a sky that shifts randomly, for something that shouldn't even work like that. Constellations are made up, not things that you discover. And if they were already in the database, why can't we just ask the database for the coordinates in the first place?

That's my rant for today.


I think it's due to Neopia rotating, that the stars change in the sky - like in the real night sky. And the constellations have been discovered - it's just that, conveniently, everybody in Altador has forgotten them.


Good theory, but not quite. For my stars at least, the constellations stay fairly static, near the center. The other ones shift randomly, due supposedly to "stellar drift." The star map isn't remotely based on anything like real astronomy aside from the fact that there are seemingly random points of light that people make pictures out of. For one thing, a proper map of the heavens wouldn't be on a coordinate map, but on a map marked with the cardinal directions and measured in lattitude and longitude.

Rotation of Neopia would cause all the stars to move more or less together (though some might move as much as 3/3600ths of a degree more or less than others, due to their distance from Neopia) and the change would be noticeable within a few minutes, not sporadically over the course of days. Due to rotation, the stars would sweep across the entire sky at the rate of approximately a degree per 4 minutes. Due to revolution around the sun, the stars would change their position by about 1 degree every day, meaning that if you observed a star at 8:00 pm on one night, the next day it would be in that exact same point at 7:56 pm.

Anyway, my point is don't let them fool you into thinking this a real astronomy club. The "stellar drift" is just a way of saying "we don't want you mapping out the entire list of constellations ahead of time."

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:38 am

wesoloid wrote:
spoonguardonline wrote:
weirdguy wrote:Watch "Big O" for a while, and perhaps it might mean something.

Or you could just enjoy watching a robot beat the crap out of other large objects and buildings.

The people don't really seem to care about their past, as nobody had actually realized that it was lost until now.

How does the database for constellations know when you find a constellation? Is it hiding something, or does it miraculously remember when you find it? It seems crazy that you have to find stars in a sky that shifts randomly, for something that shouldn't even work like that. Constellations are made up, not things that you discover. And if they were already in the database, why can't we just ask the database for the coordinates in the first place?

That's my rant for today.


I think it's due to Neopia rotating, that the stars change in the sky - like in the real night sky. And the constellations have been discovered - it's just that, conveniently, everybody in Altador has forgotten them.


Good theory, but not quite. For my stars at least, the constellations stay fairly static, near the center. The other ones shift randomly, due supposedly to "stellar drift." The star map isn't remotely based on anything like real astronomy aside from the fact that there are seemingly random points of light that people make pictures out of. For one thing, a proper map of the heavens wouldn't be on a coordinate map, but on a map marked with the cardinal directions and measured in lattitude and longitude.

Rotation of Neopia would cause all the stars to move more or less together (though some might move as much as 3/3600ths of a degree more or less than others, due to their distance from Neopia) and the change would be noticeable within a few minutes, not sporadically over the course of days. Due to rotation, the stars would sweep across the entire sky at the rate of approximately a degree per 4 minutes. Due to revolution around the sun, the stars would change their position by about 1 degree every day, meaning that if you observed a star at 8:00 pm on one night, the next day it would be in that exact same point at 7:56 pm.

Anyway, my point is don't let them fool you into thinking this a real astronomy club. The "stellar drift" is just a way of saying "we don't want you mapping out the entire list of constellations ahead of time."


That is true - I didn't think of all the technical stuff. I think it might be partly to make it more realistic, but as you say, it's also to stop people finding constellations early. I'm guessing that, once a constellation is released, it's stars will not move, otherwise that could just get confusing.

But with this seemingly random drift, surely there is the (albeit unlikely) possibility that they will drift into a constellation already on the sky, so that you might have two of the same constellation. It is unlikely, but surely likely to happen for somebody - unless they've planned the drift so it doesn't do that.

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:42 am

You look at the flyer on the bulletin board. It seems to be advertising a Dance Club!

"Join the Dance Club! Learn to glide across the dance floor and impress all your friends with your funky style!"

"Maybe now I'll get some people to join my club!" He looks at you as you enter. "You again?! I don't want the likes of you in my club!"

Oh dear! Despite the flyer, it seems that the Dance Club isn't accepting new members at the moment.


Has anyone else been rejected by the disco queen? I have the farmer. Is it a glitch? Is the club full?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:49 am

bean_jean wrote:
You look at the flyer on the bulletin board. It seems to be advertising a Dance Club!

"Join the Dance Club! Learn to glide across the dance floor and impress all your friends with your funky style!"

"Maybe now I'll get some people to join my club!" He looks at you as you enter. "You again?! I don't want the likes of you in my club!"

Oh dear! Despite the flyer, it seems that the Dance Club isn't accepting new members at the moment.


Has anyone else been rejected by the disco queen? I have the farmer. Is it a glitch? Is the club full?


You can't join the Dance Club, and you don't need to. You need to click on the red light behind the person at the front, which will give you your constellation.

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:56 am

spoonguardonline wrote:You can't join the Dance Club, and you don't need to. You need to click on the red light behind the person at the front, which will give you your constellation.


thank you, I really wanted to do this before going to work. :)

Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:04 am

bean_jean wrote:
spoonguardonline wrote:You can't join the Dance Club, and you don't need to. You need to click on the red light behind the person at the front, which will give you your constellation.


thank you, I really wanted to do this before going to work. :)


No problem. The constellation this time was a lot easier than it has been to find.
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