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 Post subject: Altador Plot Split #34
PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:12 pm 
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Remember: This is a MINI plot and with NO WAR portion.
Let's repeat. MINI PLOT and NO WAR.
One more time. MINI PLOT and NO WAR.

======== Links of interest =========
Last Thread: http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25507
Altador: http://www.neopets.com/altador/index.phtml?
Clues (by the Lenny): http://www.neopets.com/altador/archives ... lue_list=1
Star Mapper (thanks DarkFire): http://www.boomspeed.com/zaniam/theSky.html & instructions.
Stoodder's Constellation Finder: http://ricall.freehostia.com/findconst.php or http://pluse.hosting.devilcoderz.com/co ... dconst.php

(Note: Make sure you click CONTINUE (if applicable) when you have completed each part!)

(New Note: The "Add Star" button in the telescope does NOT add a new star to the sky. Instead, it lets you add a star to the constellation you're currently building without drawing a line. This is important to know.)

========= The Beginning ============
1. Click the big castle in the center of the map, The Hall of Heroes
2. In the very back-right corner, you'll see a familiar character. Click him!
3. Hey! It's our old friend again. Looks like he has a new job-- Janitor. Click that button that's next to him.
---> Hm, nothing happened.
4. Oh well, Now click the Altadorian Archives, then go into the doorway on the right.
5. Click the book that is under one of the table legs and balancing it.
---> Hm, we're going to have to replace it...
6. Now go to the QUARRY. And find a rock that'll be suitable. Stumped? Here.
---> Aha! A good replacement for that book...
7. Go back to the Altadorian Archives and click that same book again.
---> We can access the book now! (Located near the top-right part of the scene)
8. You can read the prologue from that book now.
---> Advance a page by clicking the top-right of the book, go back by clicking the top-left.
*** Page 1~3 Acquired! *** (out of 53 pages)
9. Go back to the Janitor in The Hall of Heroes and talk to him.
---> Hmm. We're going to need something to help oil some gears...
10. Click each statue until you find a bottle of oil & a rag.
---> Note: Location is different for each person. Perhaps you should write where you found it, just in case. (Although evidence indicates that it is NOT relevant)
11. Once you've found it, go back to the Janitor and click the button again.
---> The ceiling opens up! Let there be LIGHT!
* On the left side of The Hall of Heroes, there is now a staircase leading up to a dome-shaped room. Looks like a telescope is missing.
* If you click each statue in The Hall of Heroes, on the very top pixels /section of the picture of the statue, you can click and look up, and get some arrangement of gems. There is a helpful compilation of the pictures by soymimi here

======= We see the light =======
1. So it looks like the Astronomy club is finally advertising. Go to the Altador Archives and click the pamphlet that shows a telescope. Or click here!
---> You've recieved a telescope!
2. Go back to the Hall of Heroes and go up the staircase on the left side. Click the telescope holder.
---> It fits! You've found the cinderella! ... Actually I guess you found the slipper... oh whatever.
3. Now for the work. Get to it! Start mapping. By the way, Everyone's star formation is different from another. We can help with details, but you're going to have to interpret on your own from now on!
---> Excellent star mapper courtesy of DarkFire here. Follow the instructions on her post.
---> If you want to map your coordinates yourself in Excel, AngelFoxBlue wrote some pretty clear instructions on doing that here.

===== Constellations: Found! ======
1. THE SLEEPER
--> a. Go to The TOMB (bottom-left corner of the main Altador Map)
On the door of the tomb, the black dots are clickable. Try clicking it.
It lights up
--> b. Go to the Wise Lenny in The Altadorian Archives.
--> c. Go to the observatory and look in your telescope. (At this time use Darkfire's mapper. Any time before this you'll get a different set of stars!)
--> d. Find the exact formation found in part a (the orientation is as seen on the tomb doors-- it is NOT rotated in any way) and you will have found your first constellation! (Important note: You MUST connect the lines rather than just using "Add Star". If you don't, the correct stars can be rejected!)
--> e. After you have found it, go back to the Lenny at the Altadorian Archives.
*** Page 4~7 Acquired! ***
--> f. Go to the Hall of Heroes and click on the DARK FAERIE (the one towards the bottom) and look up. The jewels are illuminated! (And the janitor complains of the light)
--> g. Check in with the Astronomy Club and see what they have to say about your discovery.

2. THE DREAMER
--> a. The top right cloud in Altador is clickable. Do it.
--> b. Near the top part of picture, click on the gaps inbetween the clouds. THis will reveal your new constellation to find.
--> c. Talk to the Lenny again to see what he has to say now
--> d. Go back to the Observatory and look through your telescope.
===> NOTE: Your star map is the SAME as before.
===> NOTE: You must connect the "top part" using the *connect stars* option, but to get the lone star you MUST use the *add star* option.
--> e. Once you have obtained your constellation and submitted it, the jewels above The Dreamer (left side) will be illuminated.
--> f. Go back to the Lenny, Astronomy Club, and Janitor to get new messages.
*** Page 8~11 Acquired! ***

3. FIRST TO RISE
--> a. Go back to the tomb (the one from constellation 1). Click the BOTTOM-LEFT corner of the picture. This SHOULD get you to a wide breathtaking view of Altador. (If this does not work, highlight the text above the picture, then click TAB 3 times. THen press enter.)
--> b. Go back to the Hall of Heroes, and click The Dancer (the Cybunny to the LEFT of the King)
--> c. Click the Window that is in view.
--> d. Click the circular pathway, and you'll see the next constellation.
--> e. Go back and talk to the Lenny in the Altador Archives (unnecessary though)
--> f. Return to the Observatory and look for that constellation!
--> g. Once you have found that, go back and talk to the Lenny and Janitor for some nice remarks from them.
*** Page 12~15 Acquired! ***
--> h. If you go to the Astronmy club once again, you'll get an ASTRONOMY BADGE! Yay.

4. THE FARMER
--> a. Go to the FARM. It's on the top center-rightish area of the island on Altador. Or for the lazy, click here.
--> b. Click the DOOR to the windmill (top right area)
--> c. Click the LEVER of the windmill (bottom left area)
--> d. You'll get yelled at, exit by clicking the DOORWAY. (right side)
--> e. Click the mounds of hay to expose your next constellation.
--> f. Go back and talk to the Lenny (if you want, that is)
--> g. Find your constellation by going to the Observatory.
--> h. Go back and talk to the Lenny, Astronomy Club, Janitor to see what they have to say.
*** Page 16~19 Acquired! ***

5. THE DANCER
--> a. Disco Time baby! Uhh. Right. In any case, First go to the ALTADORIAN ARCHIVES.
--> b. There's a new flyer up! It's for the Disco Dance Club! Go in!
--> c. Boogie down. Look at the red light at the top right part of the picture. The upper-left most "dot" in that red light is what you need to click.
--> d. Voila. There's your next constellation to find.
--> e. You can talk to the Lenny again if you wish
--> f. Now go find that constellation.
--> h. Woohoo. Unfortunately, the disco club is now shut down. Poor Janitor... listen to his woes. And the a lil' more info from the Lenny. And again, soap opera central with the Astronomy Club.
*** Page 20~23 Acquired! ***
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Any additions/corrections should be posted here.


Last edited by ScottNak on Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:44 am, edited 2 times in total.

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la ti da, first to post. i can't wait for the next constellation to come out.

why does the farmer dude get all mad when you pull the lever? we are just trying to help.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:21 pm 
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ummmm
because that's not how a windmill works?


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Sunsinger wrote:
ummmm
because that's not how a windmill works?


Or maybe because he doesn't want us using his windmill. Either way, we were able to go out the window.


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Sunsinger wrote:
ummmm
because that's not how a windmill works?


he's so overprotective tho. i think he is hiding something. it's not like the lever is gonna turn into a giant metal hand and steal 100 NPs from you or anything. are he and the potato counter dude brothers or something? because they look very similer.


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hey im curious, people keep using the " its in the flash file" excuse...but who actually got in the flash file? I've been trying for awhile, and I can't find the constellations in there. Can someone who actually has gone IN the flash file explain?



It comes from *decompiling* the layers of the Flash file, not from viewing the final image.



Yea I get that, the flash file (telescope_cc0270.swf ?) is protected...I'ved tried importing into flash, importing to stage, importing to library...renaming....and its still protected. How did you manage to open the flash file?

I did find a "deprotector" that spit out a file, but all it was was the background....no stars....


I can not verify the authenticity of this but it was posted several splits back. http://xestrix.cogia.net/telecode.php


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Maybe he just doesn't want us to break his windmill and put him out of work because he;s not as good as florin and he doesn't want to be foodless?

Nah our farmer is a moehog, the pc bros are not


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I just want to say that if it weren't for this site, i would not have gotten up to where I am on this plot, nor would I have completed the LDP, I appreciate everyones help, though I have never actually had to ask someone to point something out for me, but the clues being found before I get a chance to look are what's really helping me along, I just wish I knew about this site back in the Mystery Island Plot days. Well anyway, I just wanted to say thanks to all members of PPT that do all kinda research for these plots and help people every day.


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Sunsinger wrote:
ummmm
because that's not how a windmill works?


he's so overprotective tho. i think he is hiding something. it's not like the lever is gonna turn into a giant metal hand and steal 100 NPs from you or anything. are he and the potato counter dude brothers or something? because they look very similer.


Well, they're both farmers, so it may be possible. I wonder if he really is hiding something. Maybe he's working for the Darkest Faerie.


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Maybe everyone in Altador is just grouchy 'cause they've all lost their memories.


Signature, eh? We'll see about that...


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 Post subject: The story of the "theif"
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Ok i heared something just now on split #33 and thought i would tell you the story of the theif and it's many stages.

Stage 1.
The first image of the theif actually had only 3 stars in the combination :
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Stage 2.
When people got a whiff that they could veiw the stars many people got around the protection under false accounts and kept submitting single stars which caused many problems for TNT as they were still trying to edit contelations and so the put a four star cap on submittings so people would think more before submitting. Therefore they had to upgrade the "Theif" as it was the only one with 3 stars. They made this, it has the now required 4 stars in it.
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Final stage.
The TNT (for no known reason) stopped the entire site for 5 minuites to change the "Theif" yet again to the 6 pointed constelation. Three days later the 6 star cap was released and a few NPT (Neopets Portal Testers) were given inside access to the start of the plot to get the ball rolling.
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I hope this explains a little.

I have step-by-step guides on the building of the other constelations if you which.


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I still say Marak, Maraqua, and the Faerie statue in the Maraquan ruins are connected into this plot.


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 Post subject: Re: The story of the "theif"
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thepog1 wrote:
Ok i heared something just now on split #33 and thought i would tell you the story of the theif and it's many stages.

Stage 1.
The first image of the theif actually had only 3 stars in the combination :
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Stage 2.
When people got a whiff that they could veiw the stars many people got around the protection under false accounts and kept submitting single stars which caused many problems for TNT as they were still trying to edit contelations and so the put a four star cap on submittings so people would think more before submitting. Therefore they had to upgrade the "Theif" as it was the only one with 3 stars. They made this, it has the now required 4 stars in it.
Image

Final stage.
The TNT (for no known reason) stopped the entire site for 5 minuites to change the "Theif" yet again to the 6 pointed constelation. Three days later the 6 star cap was released and a few NPT (Neopets Portal Testers) were given inside access to the start of the plot to get the ball rolling.
Image

I hope this explains a little.

I have step-by-step guides on the building of the other constelations if you which.


Hm. Nice. But then why would TNT go to such great lenghts to make star constellations that look like the image they create? The Dreamer and First to Rise don't look like it at all, yet they're identified as constellations.


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 Post subject: Re: The story of the "theif"
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thepog1 wrote:
Ok i heared something just now on split #33 and thought i would tell you the story of the theif and it's many stages.

Stage 1.
The first image of the theif actually had only 3 stars in the combination :
Image

Stage 2.
When people got a whiff that they could veiw the stars many people got around the protection under false accounts and kept submitting single stars which caused many problems for TNT as they were still trying to edit contelations and so the put a four star cap on submittings so people would think more before submitting. Therefore they had to upgrade the "Theif" as it was the only one with 3 stars. They made this, it has the now required 4 stars in it.
Image

Final stage.
The TNT (for no known reason) stopped the entire site for 5 minuites to change the "Theif" yet again to the 6 pointed constelation. Three days later the 6 star cap was released and a few NPT (Neopets Portal Testers) were given inside access to the start of the plot to get the ball rolling.
Image

I hope this explains a little.

I have step-by-step guides on the building of the other constelations if you which.


The constellations were always going to have 6 stars ..... TNT do not Portal Test - (which is called Beta Testing) plots with users. They have their own accounts to do that.

All the constellations are already formed as 6 stars (as per the glyphs) and the gap between finding the telescope and finding the first correct constellation was TNT allowing time between clues.

All the coding would have been done months prior to the release of the plot with TNT knowingexactly when the different stages of the plot where going to be released.


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cygnata wrote:
I still say Marak, Maraqua, and the Faerie statue in the Maraquan ruins are connected into this plot.


The Darkest Faerie is the statue in Maraqua. Although it is connected to the game and therefore Altador, it's not connected to this min-plot because we're focusing more on the origins of Altador and not the "Great Betrayal" and least not yet.


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