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The Faeries' Ruin

2010-10-22T13:04:22Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Fearless Deeds */

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'''The Faeries' Ruin''' is a [[plot]] that started on 20 September, 2010 (publicly announced on the 21st) where during the [[Faerie Festival]], all the [[Faerie]]s in the world mysteriously turned to stone. It stars several characters who have appeared in previous plots, including [[Jazan]] of [[Lost Desert Plot]] fame and [[King Altador]], as well as several new characters. During the course of the plot, all activities that involve faeries have been suspended - from the games and shops on [[Faerieland]] to the [[Neggery]] and the [[Cooking Pot]], due to the faeries' condition.

Like [[The Cyodrake's Gaze]] plot, this plot makes use the the technique of [[wikipedia:unreliable narrator|unreliable narrator]]s.

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|style="text-align:center;"|'''Jump to''' <big><big>'''[[The Faeries' Ruin#Shadow Spectres|Latest Step]]'''</big></big> ([[The Faeries' Ruin#Fearless Deeds 5|Fearless Deeds]])
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|style="font-weight:bold;letter-spacing:1px;text-align:center;"|[[The Faeries' Ruin#Xandra's Library|Step 1]] · [[The Faeries' Ruin#Castle Nox|Step 2]] · [[The Faeries' Ruin#Shadow Wraiths|Step 3]] · [[The Faeries' Ruin#The Finneus J. Scrollbottom Auxiliary Surplus Archives|Step 4]] · [[The Faeries' Ruin#Shadow Spectres|Step 5]]
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==Plot summary==

At the Faerie Festival, [[Hanso]] the Ixi was looking for things to steal. Whatever jewellery the Faeries were wearing was turned to stone with them, but plenty of their possessions were not on their person and were left unaltered. Hanso was not the only visitor to the Festival - shortly after Hanso arrived, King Altador and his guards, and [[Brynn]], who was sent by [[King Hagan]], arrived on the scene to investigate the curse. Hanso revealed himself and tried to sell them information, closely followed by King Jazan, who revealed he had been tailing Hanso after he saw him stealing from the fossilised faeries. Jazan accused Hanso of being involved in the curse.

Altador asked if [[Jazan]] was there to free the faeries from the curse, to which hesitantly responded he was. Although Jazan did not trust him, Brynn reminded Altador that Hanso was their only lead, and they agreed to hear him out.

Hanso explained that he was on the way to the festival - "You mean you were going to steal from the faeries at their festival." - he saw [[Hubrid Nox]], who was holding a shiny artefact and chanting an incantation. After a blinding flash of light, Nox had vanished and all the faeries were stone. Although Jazan and Altador doubted Hubrid Nox would be powerful enough to affect all the faeries, Brynn vouched that he would have no reason to lie, and that the artefact Hanso claimed to have seen may have something to do with it.

The group headed in to Faerie City to see [[Xandra]], a [[Xweetok]] who too was investigating the curse. On seeing Hanso, however, she became enraged - he had stolen several valuable artefacts from her hut earlier.

Hanso confessed that while he didn't lie about seeing Hubrid Nox, it wasn't the whole truth - he had broken into Xandra's hut, too. "It's a pretty good story, actually..."

Hanso explained that after he had stolen from Xandra, he put the word out that he had four magical artefacts to fence. He was contacted by a buyer who wanted to meet in Faerieland - Hubrid Nox. Nox was only interested in one of the artefacts, and Hanso tailed him to see what he would do with it: as Hanso had already explained, he chanted, there was a flash of light, and all the faeries turned to stone. Xandra still didn't trust Hanso's word, but Brynn and Altador were convinced, and went to recover the artefact from Nox before he could do any more damage with it.

The group - Hanso under guard - arrived at [[Castle Nox]] in the [[Haunted Woods]]. As they formed their plan to storm the stronghold, Hanso slipped away. Brynn went after him - as Nox could appear any second, they couldn't afford to delay their plan.

Brynn found Hanso climbing over the wall away from the front gates - he said that he would find his own way in.

{{cq|And how do I know you're not going in there to tip [[Hubrid Nox|him]] off?}}
{{cq|Well, if you don't trust me, you could always stop me.}}

As soon as Hanso snuck in through one of the castle windows, he was spotted by Nox. Hanso asked Nox about the artefact - but Nox didn't seem to know what he was talking about. At that moment, an alarm went off, and Nox saw through his crystal ball Altador and the others storming the gates. Nox opened a secret passageway, threw the crystal ball, and made good his escape.

Brynn rushed in and the door sealed behind her - through the crystal ball, Hanso and Brynn could see the others were sealed in as well. The pair followed the secret passageway Nox escaped through - Brynn all the while berating Hanso for letting Nox escape - and found a strange wooden control board.

Meanwhile, out in the Haunted Woods, Hubrid Nox ran away from his castle, gloating over his escape - before running straight into another Hubrid Nox, who blasted him to the ground.

After Brynn and Hanso used the control panel to help the rest of the heroes escape, Jazan accused Hanso of letting Nox escape and blamed him for getting trapped in the castle. Although Hanso protested that he helped them get out of the castle, they overruled him, and decided to proceed without him. They argued over where Nox could have gone, when Faerieland, surrounded by sinister purple clouds and crackling lightning, appeared overhead. Altador suggested that the faerie's condition had adversely affected the city, when the group was attacked from all sides by shadowy monsters.

Jazan reasoned that the monsters they were fighting could not belong to Nox, as his minions are ghosts. Hanso and Altador realised that the wraiths were distracting them from the sinking Faerieland, and between waves, they resolved to split up. Brynn would go to Brightvale's library to see if there was anything they could use, and take Hanso to the dungeons there. Xandra said she should research more on faerie artefacts as well. The rest of the team would remain to see if the wraiths led them to Nox.

Brynn and Hanso reminisced as to the first time they met, and after a while Xandra excused herself to go to her own books. When they reached Brightvale, they noticed the colour seemed to have gone from it. Brynn dutifully locked Hanso up, but promised she would return after going to the library.

Brynn found a book with a picture of a larger artefact that resembled the one Hanso stole. She showed him the book in his jail sell when sounds of a battle reached them - Brightvale was under attack. She gave Hanso the book to look after as she rushed off to help. After she left, Hanso used his belt to grab his [[wikipedia:lock picking|lock picking]] equipment from outside the cell and broke out. He called for the guards, and as they rushed in, smacked their heads together. As he left, leaving them dazed, he noticed something about them, but dismissed it.

==Plot participation==

The player can participate in this plot, like in the [[Tale of Woe]], by solving puzzles that are released after certain chapters of the story. Solving puzzles, and solving them in specific ways, earns the player achievements called ''Fearless Deeds''.

The first puzzle was linked to at the bottom of the second chapter. The second puzzle, by contrast, had to be found in the [[Deserted Fairground]] of the [[Haunted Woods]], like the puzzles in the [[Tale of Woe]] plot. The third step was a battle which took place in the [[Battledome]], and had a dedicated page to keep track of its progress.

===Xandra's Library===
The first task the user is asked to do is to guide Hanso in a 'retelling' of his first encounter with Xandra. The player must move Hanso around Xandra's library and pick up the four artefacts - which are each glowing green - and then make it to the exit, without Xandra shooting Hanso with magic.
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If Hanso is hit, or if he leaves the library without getting all the artefacts, it is presented as an error in the story - Xandra or Hanso will say that that wasn't how it happened, and the user can try again.

Also in the library are three items that are not glowing. These are bonus items, and can be collected in addition to the artefacts. If Hanso escapes with all the artefacts and with one or more of these bonus items, the bonus items will appear in the player's [[inventory]].
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The player moves Hanso by clicking a square adjacent to him that is not blocked by a table, a bookshelf, a wall, Xandra, or a pile of rubble. The player then clicks anywhere on the map to see what Xandra's move was - she may shout at the player, run after him, teleport to a random location in the library, or shoot a blast of magic across the map. Unlike Hanso, she does not run diagonally, and nor can she shoot her magic diagonally.

After Hanso has escaped, the library task may be replayed to obtain other achievements or the rest of the bonus items.

====Fearless Deeds====
*'''The Artefact Thief''' - ''Hanso, a well-known rogue and thief, breaks into an old library inhabited by Xandra, a renowned scholar, and steals several valuable artefacts.''
*: Complete the puzzle by escaping with all four artefacts.
*'''Ooh, Shiny!''' - ''Pick up the artefact that started this whole mess.''
*: Pick up the mirror artefact - the player doesn't need to escape with it.
*'''The Task at Hand''' - ''Avoid being distracted by irrelevant fripperies.''
*: Escape with all the glowing artefacts but without any bonus items - this is also earnt if the puzzle is completed after all the bonus items have been taken on previous play-throughs.
*'''Proximity Warning''' - ''Narrowly escape Xandra's scholarly wrath.''
*: Be at some point within one square of Xandra but still escape.

===Castle Nox===
The second task bridges chapter four and chapter five - the player is asked to solve a puzzle using Nox's control panel to allow the rest of the adventurers, who are locked in the castle, to escape. The other heroes are divided into three groups, distributed across the the four floors - second, first, ground, and basement - of the castle. They must be guided to the front door on the ground floor.

The layout of each of the floors is randomised each time the puzzle is played. The location of each group is denoted by a risen bronze peg. The doorways between the rooms are colour-coded red, green, or blue. They player can open all the red doors, or all the green doors, or all the blue doors, at once. If some of the heroes are in a room where one of the doors open, they will go through it into a different room.

The player has to choose five colours at a time, which then open in sequence. The player chooses these colours by clicking the light bulbs at the bottom of the control panel. The brass arrow cycles through the three colour choices as the player clicks. Once all five colours have been assigned, the doors open sequential left to right. Only one set of coloured doors can be open at a time - opening the green doors after you've opened the red doors will shut all the red doors.

In certain room are staircases - when a group enters a room with a staircase, they will immediately go up or down it and out of the room at the other end. In other rooms, there are certain traps, as denoted by small grey tiles on the control panel. These traps - from [[Wadjet]]s - [[wikipedia:Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark|"Why did it have to be Wadjets?"]] - to [[scarab]]s (a reference to the [[Lost Desert Plot]]) - cause the group affected to miss whatever door opens next. Three of the tiles are not traps - one is a gold key, which must be found and used to unlock the front door - one is a room full of [[Usuki]]s, and one is a room full of [[ice cream]].

If two or more pegs reach the same room, the groups will join up and be represented as only one peg. This new group will stay together from then on. The group who found the key - or whatever group they eventually joined up with - must reach the front door first to unlock it for themselves and the others.

If a group is in a room where more than one door opens, they may not necessarily go into the room the player intended. The decision appears to be arbitrary. 

This puzzle can also be played more than once to achieve all the Fearless Deeds.

====Fearless Deeds====
*'''Nox's Locks''' - ''The heroes are trapped in Nox's castle! But Hanso and Brynn have found some kind of strange machine that might let them help the others escape.''
*: Collect the key and get all three characters to the exit. Due to a [http://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=143668561 bug] when this puzzle was first released, it may not have been achieved when the puzzle was completed successfully, although this was later fixed.
*'''We All Scream''' - ''Everyone loves an ice-cold bowl of [[wikipedia:Chunky Monkey|Chintzy Mynci]]... even Hubrid Nox.''
*: All three characters, together or separately, must pass through the ice cream room and escape. This gives the player the [[Spooky Food|Spooky]] [[Food]] ''Giant Tub of Ice Cream''.
*'''[[wikipedia:Fort Knox|Fort Nox]]''' - ''There's gold in them thar halls!''
*: One of the rooms with no more than two different coloured doors will trigger this when a group is in it and a colour not represented by the doors is selected - e.g. in a room with red and blue doors, choosing green causes a 'secret' door to open, visible to the group in the maze, with the treasure in. Which room it is, and which colour door must be opened, is random. This gives the player the [[toy]] [[item]] ''Hubrid Nox Treasure Chest'', which can be opened to obtain a [[Spooky Petpet]].
*'''[[wikipedia:The Three Musketeers|And One For All]]''' - ''"After you." "No, after you." "No, I insist! After you."''
*: Exit through the gold doors with all three characters together.

===Shadow Wraiths===
The third step involves players' [[Neopet]]s reinforcing the heroes in battle, joining one-player fights in the [[Battledome]] against three types of ghostly Shadow Wraiths - [[Shadow Wraith Minion]], [[Shadow Wraith Brute]], and [[Shadow Wraith Fury]]. The different types of wraiths were released over the weekend of 8-10 October, one per day, with increasing difficulty (beginning at 8, 25, and 40 hit points respectively).

Wraiths are released in waves, and all of the wraiths must be defeated before new waves of any type arrive. No other one-player Battledome opponents are available during this time except for [[Punchbag Bob]]. This step is collaborative - the totally statistics take into account all the players who have participated across [[Neopets|the site]], and the number of wraith a player can fight in any wave is reduced by how many wraith have being beaten by other players.

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A kill cap was introduced - 50, 40, and 30 wins for the minion, brute, and fury respectively. A wraith defeated through a win or a draw counts towards this cap. While a player can continue to fight beyond this cap so as to get to speed up the next wave or to participate in higher tiers (see below), those kills will not count towards their plot score. After ''all'' the win caps have been reached, if a player continues to fight wraith, they have the chance of winning a bonus item after each win.

Battling these Wraiths can decrease the fighting Neopet's happiness.

====Battle page====
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|1
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|750,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Bubbling Healing Goo
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|2
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|1,500,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Essence of Everlasting Apple
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|3
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|2,250,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Sparkle Potion
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|4
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|3,000,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Super Icy [[Negg]]
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|5
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|3,750,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Downsize!
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|6
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|4,500,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Ornate Fighting Fan
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|7
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|5,250,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Ultra Icy Negg
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|8
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|6,000,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Thick Smoke Bomb
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This step introduced a battle page that keeps track of the progress of the total battle. It records when each opponent was released and lists the total numbers of each opponent that have been defeated. It also records progress to each of the tiers.

The total hoard is divided up into tiers of 750,000 kills totalled across every participant on [[Neopets|the site]]. Participating in a tier - by defeating a wraith during it - qualifies the player for a prize when that tier is defeated. even if they have already reached the kill cap. The prize is not unveiled until the end of the tier. On 13 October at 22:36 [[NST]], the waves stopped coming, and tier 9 was left incomplete.

The page also gives updates on the battle from the principle cast:
* During waves:
** ''Brynn'': There's no time to waste! We've got to defeat these... whatever they are... before they wear us down!
** ''Hanso'': Well, hand-to-hand combat isn't my ''best'' skill, honestly, but if any of those creatures slip past the others, I suppose I'll have to make short work of 'em.
** ''Altador'': We are under attack, my friends! Get yourself into the battle at once. There's not a moment to lose!
** ''Xandra'': Ugh! I should have stayed in my library. At least I can do some damage to these... these... whatever they are!
** ''Jazan'': These foul spirits are no match for our strength! They'll have felt our wrath before the day is through!
** ''Ogrin'': An enemy's greatest strength is also his greatest weakness. We must use these creatures' power to our advantage.
* Between waves:
** ''Brynn'': It's going to be tough if this keeps up. Those monsters give me the creeps.
** ''Hanso'': That was pretty easy. Sure, I didn't do much ''actual'' damage, but I'm worth any three of the others.
** ''Altador'': Rest while you can, my friends. We've defeated this wave, but we may be attacked again.
** ''Xandra'': That was a tough fight. I'm glad we were able to hold out, but... what about next time?
** ''Jazan'': Such weak enemies. They will be no match for our might, should they rise against us again.
** ''Ogrin'': The warrior who waits until the most opportune moment has the greatest victory. Now is the time to rest.

While the [[Skeith]] soldier provides [[wikipedia:comic relief|comic relief]]:
* I'll go back to the battle, just as soon as I find my contact lense.
* Every time I look at one of those wraiths, I see my life pass before my eyes. Hey, there's the time I ate fifty doughnuts on a dare!
* Wow, Jazan sure can be a vicious fighter! I'm glad he's on our side.
* I'll guard Hanso. Got to make sure that clever thief doesn't escape!
* I never like to fight on an empty stomach.
* I could help fight, but I think Altador has things under control.
* Why spooky wraiths? Couldn't we get attacked by some fluffy [[Babaa]]s?
* Why couldn't I have gone to culinary school like my mother said I should?
* Does anyone else feel cold? I should have brought my coat.
* Did someone say ice cream?
* This is the most excitement I've had all year!

====Fearless Deeds====
*'''Into the Fray''' - ''Ambushed in the woods by strange, ethereal wraiths, the heroes find themselves surrounded and outnumbered. Get to the [[Battledome]] and help them!''
*: Defeat a wraith.
::''Shadow Wraith Minion'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 50 kills.
::''Shadow Wraith Brute'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 40 kills.
::''Shadow Wraith Fury'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 30 kills.
*'''[[wikipedia:Pro Wrestling (Nintendo Entertainment System)#"A_winner_is_you"|A Winner Is You!]]''' - ''Good, you managed to avoid stabbing yourself. Now get back into the fight!''
*: Defeat any wraith once.
*'''Stand Your Ground''' - ''[[wikipedia:The best defense is a good offense|A good defense is the best... defense.]]''
*: Use the ''defend'' stance for three rounds in one battle. They do not have to be consecutive.
*'''Five of a Kind''' - ''If this keeps up, we'll win this battle in no time.''
*: Defeat at least five of each wraith.

===The Finneus J. Scrollbottom Auxiliary Surplus Archives===
Refreshing at the map of [[Brightvale]] eventually causes a text link to appear beneath it, reading "You notice a strange door on one side of the castle... how odd." - some people have reported having to turn [http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865/ Adblock] or [http://noscript.net/ NoScript] off in their browsers before it would appear. The link leads to [http://www.neopets.com/medieval/archives.phtml the Brightvale archives], where a relative of the grumpy [[Yurble]] [[The Foreman|foreman]] is trying to get the library organised for Brynn. Mistaking the player for a library intern he requested, he orders them to get to work sorting out one of the archive's many rooms.

The user must access the archives by clicking on the link beneath the Brightvale map first before they will be able to use the direct link above to get there. After it has been accessed, the link will appear above the Brightvale map, reading "Visit the Finneus J. Scrollbottom Auxiliary Surplus Archives".

{{cq|Get down into the archives and find an unoccupied room! We need those shelves organized so that the captain here can find the book she's looking for!}}

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Clicking on the archway in the staircase will take the player to one of several thousand rooms. In each room is a bookcase with four shelves, each shelf is labelled a different topic. The player must put the correct topic of books onto each shelf, and order each shelf correctly. Amongst the books will be several that do not belong, and these may be thrown into adjacent rooms. Each incorrect topic will only belong in one of the two rooms - if it is sent to the wrong one, or if books that belong on the players shelf are thrown away, they will be thrown back.

The spine of each book has a coloured head, a symbol, a number, and a geometric shape. There are thirty different symbols (see right), each of which corresponds to a different subject - i.e. a different shelf. For example, the pod of peas (second column, bottom row) corresponds to the shelf ''Inedible [[wikipedia:Legumes|Legumes]] of Brightvale'', and the exclamation mark to ''[[wikipedia:xkcd|Help! I'm Trapped in a Bookshelf Factory]]''.

There should be ten books per shelf for a completed bookcase.

The other features of the spine correspond to the order within a shelf the book must be placed. The order is different for different shelves, but is either:

*Numeric:
**The numbers on the spines are arranged in ascending order, left to right;
**The numbers on the spines are reversed (e.g. "123" becomes "321") and ''then'' sorted in ascending order, left to right.
**The ''sum'' of the digits on the spines are arranged in ascending order, left to right (e.g. "234" = 2 + 3 + 4 = 9, "413" = 4 + 1 + 3 = 8, "234" follows "413");
**The number each geometric shape represents arranged in ascending order, left to right (i.e. a dot is 1, a line is 2, a triangle is 3, a square is 4...).
*By colour:
**The colours of the top of the spines are arranged as in a spectrum or rainbow ([[wikipedia:ROYGBIV|ROYGBIV]] - Maroon, red, orange, yellow, green, teal, light blue, dark blue, purple, black);
**The colours of the geometric shape arranged as in a spectrum or rainbow.

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There is a bell on the desk: when rung, the Yurble will arrive and berate the player if there are any books in the wrong place. These will be removed from the shelves and strewn on the desk. Books that are correctly ordered and on the right shelf will be left on the shelves. This refers to the books relative order - if two books are left on a shelf by the Yurble, they are meant to be to be next to each other, and there shouldn't be any books placed in between them. There may be books before and after the pair, however.

When the Yurble removes books from the shelves, there is a chance it may dislodge a bonus item the player wins: "While knocking books off the shelf, the librarian dislodges an item! You pick it up before he notices it."

If all the books are in the right order, and all are on the right shelves, when the bell is rang the Yurble will instead berate the player for taking too long, and the player can return to the front of the library and receive a new room to organise, for example to get any achievements they may have missed.

{{cq|Took you long enough! I guess you got this shelf organized, though... '''*grumble*''' All right, off with you then. Captain Brynn needs to search this room, and I don't want you getting in her way!}}

Brynn found her book sometime on October 18, but the puzzle remained playable. Afterwards, the Yurble greeted the player by saying, "Well, Captain Brynn found her book. But the archives are still a mess! Get down there and organize those books!" And upon completing a room, he instead said, "Well, that's another one cleaned up. Maybe some day this whole place will finally be organized! I sure hope so. I HATE DISORGANIZATION! RRAAAAARGHH!"

====Subjects====
The complete list of subjects and how they are organised is as follows:

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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''History of [[Tyrannian Concert Hall|Jazzmosis]]''
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|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|π
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''[[wikipedia:Pi|π]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Mountain
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''[[Terror Mountain]] Vacation Journals''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Battleaxe
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Theory of Warfare''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Bread
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''Things a Skeith Won't Eat''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Wand
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Ineffective Teleportation Spells''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Ascending order by reversed number (123 becomes 321).
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|?
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Miscellaneous''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|[[wikipedia:Test tube|Test tube]]
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Potent Potables''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Orange goo
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Rhymes with '[[Word Poker|Jurple]]'''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Diagonal sword
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|'''S' words''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|[[wiktionary:grawlix|@#!$]]
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Ancient [[Shenkuu]]vian Curses''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Ascending order by sum of digits (123 = 1 + 2 + 3 = 5).
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|[[Wikipedia:Garfield|Orange cat]]
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Forbidden Lasagne Recipes''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Horizontal dagger
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Implausible Revenge Scenarios''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Tooth
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''[[Korbat]] [[Wikipedia:Psychology|Psychology]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Orange leaf
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''[[wikipedia:Potpourri|Potpourri]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Fountain pen
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Incorrectly Labeled Books''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Ascending order by number of sides of the polygons.
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Pea pod
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Inedible Legumes of Brightvale''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Skull
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''[[Mortog]] [[Lost Desert Plot|Toxicology Reports]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Shard of Glass
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''[[Brightvale Glaziers|Stained Glass]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Potion
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''[[Transmogrification]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Bomb
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''[[wikipedia:Doomsday|Doomsday]] Weapons''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Rainbow order of spines.
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Xandra's mirror
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Harmful Faerie Artefacts''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|!
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Help! I'm Trapped in a Bookshelf Factory''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Eye
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Look Behind You!''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Spatula
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''Things You Find in the Kitchen''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Cake
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Cakes and Pastries''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;-moz-border-radius-bottomright:15pt;" rowspan="5"|Rainbow order of geometric shapes.
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|☺
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Harmless Faerie Artefacts''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|[[Mynci]] pointing left
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Histories''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Mynci pointing right
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Prophecies''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;-moz-border-radius-bottomleft:15pt;"|Pincers
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''[[Wikipedia:Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery|Unnecessarily Slow-Moving Dipping Mechanisms]]''
|}

====Fearless Deeds====
*'''Shhhhhhh!''' - ''Brightvale's store of knowledge is unrivaled, and Brynn knows there must be something helpful in the castle library's archives... but first there's a little cleaning to do.''
*:Correctly organise a bookshelf.
*'''They're Flying Off the Shelves!''' - ''Go home, book! [[wikipedia:Happy Gilmore|Are you too good for your home?!]]''
*:Throw away all the books that don't belong on a bookcase.
*'''[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/son-i-am-disappoint Son, I Am Disappoint]''' - ''You literally could not be any more wrong.''
*:Call the Yurble with all the books in the wrong order, so that all the books are knocked off, including the all books that do not belong on the bookcase.
*'''First Time's the Charm''' - ''[[wikipedia:She Blinded Me with Science|You blinded him with library science.]]''
*:Don't call the Yurble until all the shelves are correctly organised and the surplus books removed - i.e. the puzzle is complete the first time the Yurble is called.

===Shadow Spectres===
{| style="float:right;border:0 solid #ffffff;" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2"
!style="background-color:transparent;color:#000000;font-weight:bold;font-size:14pt" colspan="3"|Mass Destruction Prize Tiers
|-
!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;font-weight:bold;"|Tier #
!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;font-weight:bold;"|Total kills
!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;font-weight:bold;"|Prize
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|9
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|6,750,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Dark Vine Potion
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|10
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|7,500,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|The Armoury
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|11
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|8,250,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Knowledge and Honour
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|12
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|9,000,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|?
|}
Released following Chapter 8, this is the second Battledome step. Brightvale is under attack, and six new enemies are joining the fight. Like the previous Battledome step, however, this is a collaborative step, and only these challengers and Punchbag Bob are available to fight for its duration. The prize tiers picked up from where they were left during the Into the Fray accomplishment partway through tier 9. Three of the enemies are comparable to the enemies of the last wave, and three of them are a step up in difficulty.

The names of the challengers had been discovered via URL manipulation on 16 October, five days before they were actually released. The discovery occurred on the Battledome [[Neoboard]] and was [http://forums.finalhit.org/showthread.php?tid=23312 picked up] by fansites such as the [[In-depth Battlepedia]].

Unlike during Into the Fray, when new waves alternate which pairs of enemies arrive - Minions and Destroyers arrive together, Brutes and Conquerors arrive together, and Furies and Zealots arrive together.

Only two challengers were available from the beginning, with two more being released the next day, 21 October, at 5:15 [[NST]]. The final two types of opponent were released that afternoon at 15:45 NST. The [[Shadow Spectre Minion]], [[Shadow Spectre Brute]], and [[Shadow Spectre Fury]] have the same images as the Shadow Wraith Minion, Shadow Wraith Brute, and Shadow Spectre Brute respectively, but different opponent id numbers and different sets of weapons.

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|http://images.neopets.com/pets/hit/191_0e4c8868ed_left.gif
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|colspan="4" style="text-align:center;"|From left to right, Shadow Spectre Minion, [[Shadow Spectre Destroyer]], Shadow Spectre Brute, [[Shadow Spectre Conqueror]], Shadow Spectre Fury, 
|}

The battle page also makes a return, with new updates from Brynn and Hanso:

*During the waves:
**''Brynn:'' Keep them away from Brightvale Castle! King Hagan must be protected!
**''Brynn:'' Where do these things keep coming from? We've got to stop them before they tear Brightvale apart!
**''Brynn:'' We haven't got enough soldiers to hold them off forever! Perhaps [[Meridell]] can come to our aid.
**''Brynn:'' Don't these monsters ever stop coming? I've lost count of how many of them we've taken out.
**''Hanso:'' The nerve of these things, trying to defeat me in combat! Can't they tell how quick and agile I am? They're just wasting their energy.
**''Hanso:'' It's always good for a thief to practice his skills. [[Kanrik]] would be so useless here.
**''Hanso:'' Did you see that last one I took out? It didn't even know what hit it.
**''Hanso:'' And ''you'' wanted to keep me cooped up in that cell. Ha! Here come some more!
*Between the waves:
**''Brynn:'' Their attacks seem random, uncoordinated. If they had any strategy, we'd be overrun in short order.
**''Brynn:'' We mananged ''[sic]'' to stop that wave, but I'm sure there will be more. We've got to rest while we have time.
**''Brynn:'' Finally, a breather... let's just hope these things don't get any stronger.
**''Brynn:'' I've got to rest. A good soldier always conserves her energy.
**''Hanso:'' Come on, Brynn, surely you aren't so tired as all that? Why, a few million more of these things and I'm sure the battle will end.
**''Hanso:'' I suppose it would be a pity if Brightvale was destroyed... I guess I can stick around.
**''Hanso:'' It's too bad these monsters don't have any pockets for me to pick.
**''Hanso:'' Sure, it's a walk in the park, but destroying these things one after another is just a waste of talents like mine. Maybe I'll take a nap.

With the Skeith once again providing [[wikipedia:comic relief|comic relief]]:
*This is the oddest thing I've seen since breakfast.
*If I wasn't so terrified, I'd show these monsters what's what!
*I'm going to shut my eyes and think about cute little critters.
*Oh, how I wish Altador were here!
*I wish someone would just make these horrible monsters go away! What did we ever do to them?
*Everything's gone pear-shaped!
*What is it with Neopia? If it's not volcanoes or Dr. Sloth attacking us, it's strange shadow monsters...
*What do you suppose they want?
*It's like something out of a nightmare!

====Fearless Deeds====
*'''The Battle of Brightvale''' - ''Just as Brynn and Hanso began to examine the book, suddenly a swarm of wraiths descended upon Brightvale. King Hagan's defenders are overwhelmed—get to the Battledome before it's too late!''
*:Defeat one of the new enemies.
::''Shadow Spectre Minion'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 50 kills.
::''Shadow Spectre Destroyer'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 40 kills.
::''Shadow Spectre Brute'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 50 kills.
::''Shadow Spectre Conqueror'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 30 kills.
::''Shadow Spectre Fury'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 50 kills.
::''Shadow Spectre Zealot'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 20 kills.

*'''The Welcoming Committee''' - ''These new spectres got what's coming to them.''
*:Achieve a kill against a Destroyer, Conqueror and Zealot.
*'''Six Up, Six Down'''
*:Achieve a kill against every opponent in the right order from top to bottom (Minion, Destroyer, Brute, Conqueror, Fury, Zealot.)
*'''Well Rounded''' - ''Caution is normal, so don't jump to fierce conclusions.''
*:Use the fierce attack, cautious attack, normal attack, and jump and attack [[abilities]] against the Spectres. They do not have to be used in the same battle.

==Neocash component==

The Faeries' Ruin is the first plot to include an additional [[Neocash]] element. However, [[The Neopets Team]] reported that "[i]t in no way affects your plot score" [http://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=143668561].

Users can buy ''Key Packs'' for Neocash that supply keys used to enter the Corridor of Chance in [[Castle Nox]]. Each key purchased allows one use of the [[Transfabulator]] found there. The Transfabulator returns an item the user's [[Neopet]] is wearing to the [[Closet]] and replaces it with an exclusive wearable. It may also grant the Neopet an effect, which lasts for five days.

Once the lever on the Transfabulator is pulled, the key used to enter the Corridor is used up.

==Trivia==
*During the plot, the [[Healing Springs]] had some "residual magic" to be used at the user's own risk. Before the release of ''Into the Fray'', if the user tried to "Heal my Pets", they were told there was no-one there to heal them; during and after ''Into the Fray'', it generated one of the Water Faerie's item events - either a low level snowball or a healing potion.
*The [[Soup Kitchen]] was still usable during the plot, as the [[Soup Faerie]] had made an extra large cauldron of soup.
*The shops both at the [[Healing Springs]] and the [[Hidden Tower]] remained open without their owners present, presumably relying on an honesty-box system.
*Reference was made in the plot to the fate of [[The Darkest Faerie]].
*The Commonwealth English spelling of ''art'''e'''fact'' is used throughout the plot, although ''art'''i'''fact'' is used elsewhere on the [[Neopets|site]].
*After the release of the first chapter, a [[wikipedia:meme|meme]] began on the [[Neoboards]] as to the fate of a pie, which had also been petrified along with the faeries. This was referenced in [[Lenny Conundrum]] [http://www.neopets.com/games/conundrum_feature.phtml?round=375 round 375], and [[Random Contest]] number 201.
*[[Kanrik]] made a [[wikipedia:cameo appearance|cameo]] in chapter 7 in a flashback as one of the people [[Hanso]] robbed.
*The foyer of the Brightvale Archives has [[wikipedia:Roman numerals|Roman numerals]] hidden in [http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/intro2_aae72f2d43.png the design], including an 'X' on the floor. This may be a reference to the similar scene in [[wikipedia:Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade|Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade]].

==External links==
*'''Plot page:''' [http://www.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr/ The Faeries' Ruin], [http://www.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr/battle.phtml The Faeries' Ruin - Into the Fray]
*'''Plot locations:''' [http://www.neopets.com/halloween/library.phtml Xandra's Library], [http://www.neopets.com/halloween/fortnox.phtml Nox's Castle], [http://www.neopets.com/medieval/archives.phtml The Finneus J. Scrollbottom Auxiliary Surplus Archives]
*[http://www.neopets.com/help.phtml?folderID=389 Castle Nox - Corridor of Chance Help]
*[http://www.neopets.com/~Cd Cd's Guide to Shhhhhhh!] (petpage)

[[Category:Plots]]
[[Category:The Faeries' Ruin|*]]

Talk:The Faeries' Ruin

2010-10-16T01:56:57Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Memes */

The explanation of the Fort Nox achievement was arrived at first by players [http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=griffinfeather griffinfeather] and [http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=mr_meenie_2 mr_meenie_2]. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Memes ==

There are some memes in the current fearless deeds, however, I am not too sure whether to link to them. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116483/quotes?qt0420543 Are you too good for your home?] (contains swearing) and [http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/son-i-am-disappoint Son, I am disappoint] (might contain inappropriate pictures, haven't checked them all).--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 00:34, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think their status as memes should be noted, yeah. The movie one is fine - does that movie have a wikipedia page? If so, link there, rather than to the IMDB. Otherwise, IMDB is fine. As for the other one, I'd say that's probably all right. =) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

::The movie does have [[wikipedia:Happy Gilmore|a wikipedia page]], however, the quote is not mentioned in the article, not even on wikiquote, so I thought people might be confused if the page is linked to without further comment.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 00:48, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

:::Hmn. I think we should risk it ;). The Three Musketeers' page does not say 'And One For All' on it, but it's still a reference to them, for example. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 01:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

::::Added. Now, does anyone have a smart linguistics word for the "S-Words" thing? I believe it may be something like an [[wikipedia:acronym|acronym]]?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 01:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

==Plot images==
I remember Jacob started recording the urls of the images that appeared in Tale of Woe... And as image uploading is fubarred for the forseeable future xP...

===Step 4===
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/intro1_918167859a.png Library before completing Shhhhhhh!]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/yurble.png Angry Yurble]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/symbols.png Book symbols]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/polygons.png Book polygons]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/done_ecc333b9a8.png Complete]
*[http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/intro2_aae72f2d43.png Library after completing Shhhhhhh!]

The Faeries' Ruin

2010-10-16T01:30:56Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Subjects */ I think it's safe to assume they meant the actual number, since the order is also numerical

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'''The Faeries' Ruin''' is a [[plot]] that started on 20 September, 2010 (publicly announced on the 21st) where during the [[Faerie Festival]], all the [[Faerie]]s in the world mysteriously turned to stone. It stars several characters who have appeared in previous plots, including [[Jazan]] of [[Lost Desert Plot]] fame and [[King Altador]], as well as several new characters. During the course of the plot, all activities that involve faeries have been suspended - from the games and shops on [[Faerieland]] to the [[Neggery]] and the [[Cooking Pot]], due to the faeries' condition.

Like [[The Cyodrake's Gaze]] plot, this plot makes use the the technique of [[wikipedia:unreliable narrator|unreliable narrator]]s.

==Plot summary==

At the Faerie Festival, [[Hanso]] the Ixi was looking for things to steal. Whatever jewellery the Faeries were wearing was turned to stone with them, but plenty of their possessions were not on their person and were left unaltered. Hanso was not the only visitor to the Festival - shortly after Hanso arrived, King Altador and his guards, and [[Brynn]], who was sent by [[King Hagan]], arrived on the scene to investigate the curse. Hanso revealed himself and tried to sell them information, closely followed by King Jazan, who revealed he had been tailing Hanso after he saw him stealing from the fossilised faeries. Jazan accused Hanso of being involved in the curse.

Altador asked if Jazan was there to free the faeries from the curse, to which hesitantly responded he was. Although Jazan did not trust him, Brynn reminded Altador that Hanso was their only lead, and they agreed to hear him out.

Hanso explained that he was on the way to the festival - "You mean you were going to steal from the faeries at their festival." - he saw [[Hubrid Nox]], who was holding a shiny artefact and chanting an incantation. After a blinding flash of light, Nox had vanished and all the faeries were stone. Although Jazan and Altador doubted Hubrid Nox would be powerful enough to affect all the faeries, Brynn vouched that he would have no reason to lie, and that the artefact Hanso claimed to have seen may have something to do with it.

The group headed in to Faerie City to see [[Xandra]], a [[Xweetok]] who too was investigating the curse. On seeing Hanso, however, she became enraged - he had stolen several valuable artefacts from her hut earlier.

Hanso confessed that while he didn't lie about seeing Hubrid Nox, it wasn't the whole truth - he had broken into Xandra's hut, too. "It's a pretty good story, actually..."

Hanso explained that after he had stolen from Xandra, he put the word out that he had four magical artefacts to fence. He was contacted by a buyer who wanted to meet in Faerieland - Hubrid Nox. Nox was only interested in one of the artefacts, and Hanso tailed him to see what he would do with it: as Hanso had already explained, he chanted, there was a flash of light, and all the faeries turned to stone. Xandra still didn't trust Hanso's word, but Brynn and Altador were convinced, and went to recover the artefact from Nox before he could do any more damage with it.

The group - Hanso under guard - arrived at [[Castle Nox]] in the [[Haunted Woods]]. As they formed their plan to storm the stronghold, Hanso slipped away. Brynn went after him - as Nox could appear any second, they couldn't afford to delay their plan.

Brynn found Hanso climbing over the wall away from the front gates - he said that he would find his own way in.

{{cq|And how do I know you're not going in there to tip [[Hubrid Nox|him]] off?}}
{{cq|Well, if you don't trust me, you could always stop me.}}

As soon as Hanso snuck in through one of the castle windows, he was spotted by Nox. Hanso asked Nox about the artefact - but Nox didn't seem to know what he was talking about. At that moment, an alarm went off, and Nox saw through his crystal ball Altador and the others storming the gates. Nox opened a secret passageway, threw the crystal ball, and made good his escape.

Brynn rushed in and the door sealed behind her - through the crystal ball, Hanso and Brynn could see the others were sealed in as well. The pair followed the secret passageway Nox escaped through - Brynn all the while berating Hanso for letting Nox escape - and found a strange wooden control board.

Meanwhile, out in the Haunted Woods, Hubrid Nox ran away from his castle, gloating over his escape - before running straight into another Hubrid Nox, who blasted him to the ground.

After Brynn and Hanso used the control panel to help the rest of the heroes escape, Jazan accused Brynn of letting Nox escape and blamed him for getting trapped in the castle. Although Hanso protested that he helped them get out of the castle, they overruled him, and decided to proceed without him. They argued over where Nox could have gone, when Faerieland, surrounded by sinister purple clouds and crackling lightning, appeared overhead. Altador suggested that the faerie's condition had adversely affected the city, when the group was attacked from all sides by shadowy monsters.

Jazan reasoned that the monsters they were fighting could not belong to Nox, as his minions are ghosts. Hanso and Altador realised that the wraiths were distracting them from the sinking Faerieland, and between waves, they resolved to split up. Brynn would go to Brightvale's library to see if there was anything they could use, and take Hanso to the dungeons there. Xandra said she should research more on faerie artefacts as well. The rest of the team would remain to see if the wraiths led them to Nox.

Brynn and Hanso reminisced as to the first time they met, and after a while Xandra excused herself to go to her own books. When they reached Brightvale, they noticed the colour seemed to have gone from it. Brynn dutifully locked Hanso up, but promised she would return after going to the library.

==Plot participation==

The player can participate in this plot, like in the [[Tale of Woe]], by solving puzzles that are released after certain chapters of the story. Solving puzzles, and solving them in specific ways, earns the player achievements called ''Fearless Deeds''.

The first puzzle was linked to at the bottom of the second chapter. The second puzzle, by contrast, had to be found in the [[Deserted Fairground]] of the [[Haunted Woods]], like the puzzles in the [[Tale of Woe]] plot. The third step was a battle which took place in the [[Battledome]], and had a dedicated page to keep track of its progress.

===Xandra's Library===
The first task the user is asked to do is to guide Hanso in a 'retelling' of his first encounter with Xandra. The player must move Hanso around Xandra's library and pick up the four artefacts - which are each glowing green - and then make it to the exit, without Xandra shooting Hanso with magic.

If Hanso is hit, or if he leaves the library without getting all the artefacts, it is presented as an error in the story - Xandra or Hanso will say that that wasn't how it happened, and the user can try again.

Also in the library are three items that are not glowing. These are bonus items, and can be collected in addition to the artefacts. If Hanso escapes with all the artefacts and with one or more of these bonus items, the bonus items will appear in the player's [[inventory]].

The player moves Hanso by clicking a square adjacent to him that is not blocked by a table, a bookshelf, a wall, Xandra, or a pile of rubble. The player then clicks anywhere on the map to see what Xandra's move was - she may shout at the player, run after him, teleport to a random location in the library, or shoot a blast of magic across the map. Unlike Hanso, she does not run diagonally, and nor can she shoot her magic diagonally.

After Hanso has escaped, the library task may be replayed to obtain other achievements or the rest of the bonus items.

====Fearless Deeds====
*'''The Artefact Thief''' - ''Hanso, a well-known rogue and thief, breaks into an old library inhabited by Xandra, a renowned scholar, and steals several valuable artefacts.''
*: Complete the puzzle by escaping with all four artefacts.
*'''Ooh, Shiny!''' - ''Pick up the artefact that started this whole mess.''
*: Pick up the mirror artefact - the player doesn't need to escape with it.
*'''The Task at Hand''' - ''Avoid being distracted by irrelevant fripperies.''
*: Escape with all the glowing artefacts but without any bonus items - this is also earnt if the puzzle is completed after all the bonus items have been taken on previous play-throughs.
*'''Proximity Warning''' - ''Narrowly escape Xandra's scholarly wrath.''
*: Be at some point within one square of Xandra but still escape.

===Castle Nox===
The second task bridges chapter four and chapter five - the player is asked to solve a puzzle using Nox's control panel to allow the rest of the adventurers, who are locked in the castle, to escape. The other heroes are divided into three groups, distributed across the the four floors - second, first, ground, and basement - of the castle. They must be guided to the front door on the ground floor.

The layout of each of the floors is randomised each time the puzzle is played. The location of each group is denoted by a risen bronze peg. The doorways between the rooms are colour-coded red, green, or blue. They player can open all the red doors, or all the green doors, or all the blue doors, at once. If some of the heroes are in a room where one of the doors open, they will go through it into a different room.

The player has to choose five colours at a time, which then open in sequence. The player chooses these colours by clicking the light bulbs at the bottom of the control panel. The brass arrow cycles through the three colour choices as the player clicks. Once all five colours have been assigned, the doors open sequential left to right. Only one set of coloured doors can be open at a time - opening the green doors after you've opened the red doors will shut all the red doors.

In certain room are staircases - when a group enters a room with a staircase, they will immediately go up or down it and out of the room at the other end. In other rooms, there are certain traps, as denoted by small grey tiles on the control panel. These traps - from [[Wadjet]]s - [[wikipedia:Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark|"Why did it have to be Wadjets?"]] - to [[scarab]]s (a reference to the [[Lost Desert Plot]]) - cause the group affected to miss whatever door opens next. Three of the tiles are not traps - one is a gold key, which must be found and used to unlock the front door - one is a room full of [[Usuki]]s, and one is a room full of [[ice cream]].

If two or more pegs reach the same room, the groups will join up and be represented as only one peg. This new group will stay together from then on. The group who found the key - or whatever group they eventually joined up with - must reach the front door first to unlock it for themselves and the others.

If a group is in a room where more than one door opens, they may not necessarily go into the room the player intended. The decision appears to be arbitrary. 

This puzzle can also be played more than once to achieve all the Fearless Deeds.

====Fearless Deeds====
*'''Nox's Locks''' - ''The heroes are trapped in Nox's castle! But Hanso and Brynn have found some kind of strange machine that might let them help the others escape.''
*: Collect the key and get all three characters to the exit. Due to a [http://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=143668561 bug] when this puzzle was first released, it may not have been achieved when the puzzle was completed successfully, although this was later fixed.
*'''We All Scream''' - ''Everyone loves an ice-cold bowl of [[wikipedia:Chunky Monkey|Chintzy Mynci]]... even Hubrid Nox.''
*: All three characters, together or separately, must pass through the ice cream room and escape. This gives the player the [[Spooky Food|Spooky]] [[Food]] ''Giant Tub of Ice Cream''.
*'''[[wikipedia:Fort Knox|Fort Nox]]''' - ''There's gold in them thar halls!''
*: One of the rooms with no more than two different coloured doors will trigger this when a group is in it and a colour not represented by the doors is selected - e.g. in a room with red and blue doors, choosing green causes a 'secret' door to open, visible to the group in the maze, with the treasure in. Which room it is, and which colour door must be opened, is random. This gives the player the [[toy]] [[item]] ''Hubrid Nox Treasure Chest'', which can be opened to obtain a [[Spooky Petpet]].
*'''[[wikipedia:The Three Musketeers|And One For All]]''' - ''"After you." "No, after you." "No, I insist! After you."''
*: Exit through the gold doors with all three characters together.

===Shadow Wraiths===
The third step involves players' [[Neopet]]s reinforcing the heroes in battle, joining one-player fights in the [[Battledome]] against three types of ghostly Shadow Wraiths - [[Shadow Wraith Minion]], [[Shadow Wraith Brute]], and [[Shadow Wraith Fury]]. The different types of wraiths were released over the weekend of 8-10 October, one per day, with increasing difficulty (beginning at 8, 25, and 40 hit points respectively).

Wraiths are released in waves, and all of the wraiths must be defeated before new waves of any type arrive. No other one-player Battledome opponents are available during this time except for [[Punchbag Bob]]. This step is collaborative - the totally statistics take into account all the players who have participated across [[Neopets|the site]], and the number of wraith a player can fight in any wave is reduced by how many wraith have being beaten by other players.

A kill cap was introduced - 50, 40, and 30 wins for the minion, brute, and fury respectively. A wraith defeated through a win or a draw counts towards this cap. While a player can continue to fight beyond this cap so as to get to speed up the next wave or to participate in higher tiers (see below), those kills will not count towards their plot score. After ''all'' the win caps have been reached, if a player continues to fight wraith, they have the chance of winning a bonus item after each win.

Battling these Wraiths can decrease the fighting Neopet's happiness.

====Battle page====
{| style="float:right;border:0 solid #ffffff;" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2"
!style="background-color:transparent;color:#000000;font-weight:bold;font-size:14pt" colspan="3"|Mass Destruction Prize Tiers
|-
!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;font-weight:bold;"|Tier #
!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;font-weight:bold;"|Total kills
!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;font-weight:bold;"|Prize
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|1
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|750,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Bubbling Healing Goo
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|2
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|1,500,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Essence of Everlasting Apple
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|3
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|2,250,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Sparkle Potion
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|4
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|3,000,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Super Icy [[Negg]]
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|5
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|3,750,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Downsize!
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|6
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|4,500,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Ornate Fighting Fan
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|7
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|5,250,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Ultra Icy Negg
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|8
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|6,000,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Thick Smoke Bomb
|}

This step introduced a battle page that keeps track of the progress of the total battle. It records when each opponent was released and lists the total numbers of each opponent that have been defeated. It also records progress to each of the tiers.

The total hoard is divided up into tiers of 750,000 kills totalled across every participant on [[Neopets|the site]]. Participating in a tier - by defeating a wraith during it - qualifies the player for a prize when that tier is defeated. even if they have already reached the kill cap. The prize is not unveiled until the end of the tier. On 13 October at 22:36 [[NST]], the waves stopped coming, and tier 9 was left incomplete.

The page also gives updates on the battle from the principle cast:
* During waves:
** ''Brynn'': There's no time to waste! We've got to defeat these... whatever they are... before they wear us down!
** ''Hanso'': Well, hand-to-hand combat isn't my ''best'' skill, honestly, but if any of those creatures slip past the others, I suppose I'll have to make short work of 'em.
** ''Altador'': We are under attack, my friends! Get yourself into the battle at once. There's not a moment to lose!
** ''Xandra'': Ugh! I should have stayed in my library. At least I can do some damage to these... these... whatever they are!
** ''Jazan'': These foul spirits are no match for our strength! They'll have felt our wrath before the day is through!
** ''Ogrin'': An enemy's greatest strength is also his greatest weakness. We must use these creatures' power to our advantage.
* Between waves:
** ''Brynn'': It's going to be tough if this keeps up. Those monsters give me the creeps.
** ''Hanso'': That was pretty easy. Sure, I didn't do much ''actual'' damage, but I'm worth any three of the others.
** ''Altador'': Rest while you can, my friends. We've defeated this wave, but we may be attacked again.
** ''Xandra'': That was a tough fight. I'm glad we were able to hold out, but... what about next time?
** ''Jazan'': Such weak enemies. They will be no match for our might, should they rise against us again.
** ''Ogrin'': The warrior who waits until the most opportune moment has the greatest victory. Now is the time to rest.

While the [[Skeith]] soldier provides comic relief:
* I'll go back to the battle, just as soon as I find my contact lense.
* Every time I look at one of those wraiths, I see my life pass before my eyes. Hey, there's the time I ate fifty doughnuts on a dare!
* Wow, Jazan sure can be a vicious fighter! I'm glad he's on our side.
* I'll guard Hanso. Got to make sure that clever thief doesn't escape!
* I never like to fight on an empty stomach.
* I could help fight, but I think Altador has things under control.
* Why spooky wraiths? Couldn't we get attacked by some fluffy [[Babaa]]s?
* Why couldn't I have gone to culinary school like my mother said I should?
* Does anyone else feel cold? I should have brought my coat.
* Did someone say ice cream?
* This is the most excitement I've had all year!

====Feerless Deeds====
*'''Into the Fray''' - ''Ambushed in the woods by strange, ethereal wraiths, the heroes find themselves surrounded and outnumbered. Get to the [[Battledome]] and help them!''
*: Defeat a wraith.
::''Shadow Wraith Minion'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 50 kills.
::''Shadow Wraith Brute'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 40 kills.
::''Shadow Wraith Fury'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 30 kills.
*'''[[wikipedia:Pro Wrestling (Nintendo Entertainment System)#"A_winner_is_you"|A Winner Is You!]]''' - ''Good, you managed to avoid stabbing yourself. Now get back into the fight!''
*: Defeat any wraith once.
*'''Stand Your Ground''' - ''[[wikipedia:The best defense is a good offense|A good defense is the best... defense.]]''
*: Use the ''defend'' stance for three rounds in one battle. They do not have to be consecutive.
*'''Five of a Kind''' - ''If this keeps up, we'll win this battle in no time.''
*: Defeat at least five of each wraith.

===The Finneus J. Scrollbottom Auxiliary Surplus Archives===
Refreshing at the map of [[Brightvale]] eventually causes a text link to appear beneath it, reading "You notice a strange door on one side of the castle... how odd." - some people have reported having to turn Adblock or NoScript off in their browsers before it would appear. The link leads to [http://www.neopets.com/medieval/archives.phtml the Brightvale archives], where a relative of the grumpy [[Yurble]] [[The Foreman|foreman]] is trying to get the library organised for Brynn. Mistaking the player for a library intern he requested, he orders them to get to work sorting out one of the archive's many rooms.
{| style="float:right; margin-left:5px;"
|http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/symbols.png
|}
Clicking on the archway in the staircase will take the player to one of several thousand rooms. In each room is a bookcase with four shelves, each shelf is labelled a different topic. The player must put the correct topic of books onto each shelf, and order each shelf correctly. Amongst the books will be several that do not belong, and these may be thrown into adjacent rooms. Each incorrect topic will only belong in one of the two rooms - if it is sent to the wrong one, or if books that belong on the players shelf are thrown away, they will be thrown back.

The spine of each book has a coloured head, a symbol, a number, and a geometric shape. There are thirteen different symbols (see right), each of which corresponds to a different subject - i.e. a different shelf. For example, the pod of peas (second column, bottom row) corresponds to the shelf ''Inedible [[wikipedia:Legumes|Legumes]] of Brightvale'', and the exclamation mark to ''[[wikipedia:xkcd|Help! I'm Trapped in a Bookshelf Factory]]''.

There should be ten books per shelf for a completed bookcase.

The other features of the spine correspond to the order within a shelf the book must be placed. The order is different for different shelves, but is either:

*Numeric:
**The numbers on the spines are arranged in ascending order, left to right;
**The numbers on the spines are reversed (e.g. "123" becomes "321") and ''then'' sorted in ascending order, left to right.
**The ''sum'' of the digits on the spines are arranged in ascending order, left to right (e.g. "234" = 2 + 3 + 4 = 9, "413" = 4 + 1 + 3 = 8, "234" follows "413");
**The number each geometric shape represents arranged in ascending order, left to right (i.e. a dot is 1, a line is 2, a triangle is 3, a square is 4...).
*By colour:
**The colours of the top of the spines are arranged as in a spectrum or rainbow ([[wikipedia:ROYGBIV|ROYGBIV]] - Reds, oranges, yellow, green, blues, purple, ''then'' black);
**The colours of the geometric shape arranged as in a spectrum or rainbow.

{| style="float:left; margin-right:11px;"
|http://images.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr_fa61c26562/p4_e784d30682/polygons.png
|}

There is a bell on the desk: when rung, the Yurble will arrive and berate the player if there are any books in the wrong place. These will be removed from the shelves and strewn on the desk. Books that are correctly ordered and on the right shelf will be left on the shelves. This refers to the books relative order - if two books are left on a shelf by the Yurble, they are meant to be to be next to each other, and there there should be any books placed in between them. There may be books before and after the pair, however.

When the Yurble removes books from the shelves, there is a chance it may dislodge a bonus item the player wins: "While knocking books off the shelf, the librarian dislodges an item! You pick it up before he notices it."

If all the books are in the right order, and all are on the right shelves, when the bell is rang the Yurble will instead berate the player for taking too long, and the player can return to the front of the library and receive a new room to organise, for example to get any achievements they may have missed.

{{cq|"Took you long enough! I guess you got this shelf organized, though... '''*grumble*''' All right, off with you then. Captain Brynn needs to search this room, and I don't want you getting in her way!"}}

====Subjects====
The complete list of subjects and how they are organised is as follows:

{| style="width:75%;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"
!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;text-align:center;-moz-border-radius-topleft:15pt;"|Symbol
!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;text-align:center;"|Subject
!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;text-align:center;-moz-border-radius-topright:15pt;"|Order
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Saxaphone
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''History of [[Tyrannian Concert Hall|Jazzmosis]]''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Ascending order by number.
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|π
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''[[wikipedia:Pi|π]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Mountain
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Terror Mountain Vacation Journals''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Battleaxe
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Theory of Warfare''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Bread
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''Things a Skeith Won't Eat''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Wand
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Ineffective Teleportation Spells''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Ascending order by reversed number (123 becomes 321).
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|?
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Miscellaneous''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|[[wikipedia:Test tube|Test tube]]
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Potent Potables''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Orange goo
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Rhymes with 'Jurple'''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Diagonal sword
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|'''S' words''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|@#!$
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Ancient Shenkuuvian Curses''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Ascending order by sum of digits (123 = 1 + 2 + 3 = 5)
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|[[Wikipedia:Garfield|Orange cat]]
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Forbidden Lasagne Recipes''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Horizontal dagger
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Implausible Revenge Scenarios''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Tooth
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Korbat [[Wikipedia:Psychology|Psychology]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Orange leaf
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''[[wikipedia:Potpourri|Potpourri]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Fountain pen
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Incorrectly Labelled Books''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Ascending order by sum of digits (123 = 1 + 2 + 3 = 5)
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Pea pod
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Inedible Legumes of Brightvale''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Skull
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''[[Mortog]] [[Lost Desert Plot|Toxicology Reports]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Shard of Glass
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Stained Glass'''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Potion
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''[[Transmogrification]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Bomb
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''[[wikipedia:Doomsday|Doomsday]] Weapons''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Rainbow order of spines.
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Xandra's mirror
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Harmful Faerie Artefacts''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|!
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Help! I'm Trapped in a Bookshelf Factory''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Eye
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Look Behind You!''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Spatula
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''Things You Find in the Kitchen''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Cake
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Cake's and Pastries''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;-moz-border-radius-bottomright:15pt;" rowspan="5"|Rainbow order of geometric shapes.
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|☺
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Harmless Faerie Artefacts''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|[[Mynci]] pointing left
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Histories''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Mynci pointing right
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Prophecies''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;-moz-border-radius-bottomleft:15pt;"|Pincers
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''Unnecessarily Slow-Moving Dipping Mechanisms''
|}

====Fearless Deeds====
*'''Shhhhhhh!''' - ''Brightvale's store of knowledge is unrivaled, and Brynn knows there must be something helpful in the castle library's archives... but first there's a little cleaning to do.''
*:Correctly organise a bookshelf.
*'''They're Flying Off the Shelves!''' - ''Go home, book! [[wikipedia:Happy Gilmore|Are you too good for your home?!]]''
*:Throw away all the books that don't belong on a bookcase.
*'''[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/son-i-am-disappoint Son, I Am Disappoint]''' - ''You literally could not be any more wrong.''
*:Call the Yurble with all the books on the wrong shelves.
*'''First Time's the Charm''' - ''[[wikipedia:She Blinded Me with Science|You blinded him with library science.]]''
*:Don't call the Yurble until all the shelves are correctly organised and the surplus books removed - i.e. the puzzle is complete the first time the Yurble is called.

==Neocash component==

The Faeries' Ruin is the first plot to include an additional [[Neocash]] element. However, [[The Neopets Team]] reported that "[i]t in no way affects your plot score" [http://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=143668561].

Users can buy ''Key Packs'' for Neocash that supply keys used to enter the Corridor of Chance in [[Castle Nox]]. Each key purchased allows one use of the [[Transfabulator]] found there. The Transfabulator returns an item the user's [[Neopet]] is wearing to the [[Closet]] and replaces it with an exclusive wearable. It may also grant the Neopet an effect, which lasts for five days.

Once the lever on the Transfabulator is pulled, the key used to enter the Corridor is used up.

==Trivia==
*During the plot, the [[Healing Springs]] had some "residual magic" to be used at the user's own risk. Before the release of ''Into the Fray'', if the user tried to "Heal my Pets", they were told there was no-one there to heal them; during ''Into the Fray'', it generated one of the Water Faerie's item events - either a low level snowball or a healing potion.
*The [[Soup Kitchen]] was still usable during the plot, as the [[Soup Faerie]] had made an extra large cauldron of soup.
*The shops both at the [[Healing Springs]] and the [[Hidden Tower]] remained open without their owners present, presumably relying on an honesty-box system.
*Reference was made in the plot to the fate of [[The Darkest Faerie]].
*The Commonwealth English spelling of ''art'''e'''fact'' is used throughout the plot, although ''art'''i'''fact'' is used elsewhere on the [[Neopets|site]].
*After the release of the first chapter, a [[wikipedia:meme|meme]] began on the [[Neoboards]] as to the fate of a pie, which had also been petrified along with the faeries. This was referenced in [[Lenny Conundrum]] [http://www.neopets.com/games/conundrum_feature.phtml?round=375 round 375], and [[Random Contest]] number 201.
*[[Kanrik]] made a [[wikipedia:cameo|cameo]] in chapter 7 in a flashback as one of the people [[Hanso]] robbed.

==External Links==
*'''Plot page:''' [http://www.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr/ The Faeries' Ruin], [http://www.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr/battle.phtml The Faeries' Ruin - Into the Fray]
*'''Plot locations:''' [http://www.neopets.com/halloween/library.phtml Xandra's Library], [http://www.neopets.com/halloween/fortnox.phtml Nox's Castle]
*[http://www.neopets.com/help.phtml?folderID=389 Castle Nox - Corridor of Chance Help]

[[Category:Plots]]
[[Category:The Faeries' Ruin|*]]

The Faeries' Ruin

2010-10-16T01:25:45Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Fearless Deeds */ added meme references as per discussion

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'''The Faeries' Ruin''' is a [[plot]] that started on 20 September, 2010 (publicly announced on the 21st) where during the [[Faerie Festival]], all the [[Faerie]]s in the world mysteriously turned to stone. It stars several characters who have appeared in previous plots, including [[Jazan]] of [[Lost Desert Plot]] fame and [[King Altador]], as well as several new characters. During the course of the plot, all activities that involve faeries have been suspended - from the games and shops on [[Faerieland]] to the [[Neggery]] and the [[Cooking Pot]], due to the faeries' condition.

Like [[The Cyodrake's Gaze]] plot, this plot makes use the the technique of [[wikipedia:unreliable narrator|unreliable narrator]]s.

==Plot summary==

At the Faerie Festival, [[Hanso]] the Ixi was looking for things to steal. Whatever jewellery the Faeries were wearing was turned to stone with them, but plenty of their possessions were not on their person and were left unaltered. Hanso was not the only visitor to the Festival - shortly after Hanso arrived, King Altador and his guards, and [[Brynn]], who was sent by [[King Hagan]], arrived on the scene to investigate the curse. Hanso revealed himself and tried to sell them information, closely followed by King Jazan, who revealed he had been tailing Hanso after he saw him stealing from the fossilised faeries. Jazan accused Hanso of being involved in the curse.

Altador asked if Jazan was there to free the faeries from the curse, to which hesitantly responded he was. Although Jazan did not trust him, Brynn reminded Altador that Hanso was their only lead, and they agreed to hear him out.

Hanso explained that he was on the way to the festival - "You mean you were going to steal from the faeries at their festival." - he saw [[Hubrid Nox]], who was holding a shiny artefact and chanting an incantation. After a blinding flash of light, Nox had vanished and all the faeries were stone. Although Jazan and Altador doubted Hubrid Nox would be powerful enough to affect all the faeries, Brynn vouched that he would have no reason to lie, and that the artefact Hanso claimed to have seen may have something to do with it.

The group headed in to Faerie City to see [[Xandra]], a [[Xweetok]] who too was investigating the curse. On seeing Hanso, however, she became enraged - he had stolen several valuable artefacts from her hut earlier.

Hanso confessed that while he didn't lie about seeing Hubrid Nox, it wasn't the whole truth - he had broken into Xandra's hut, too. "It's a pretty good story, actually..."

Hanso explained that after he had stolen from Xandra, he put the word out that he had four magical artefacts to fence. He was contacted by a buyer who wanted to meet in Faerieland - Hubrid Nox. Nox was only interested in one of the artefacts, and Hanso tailed him to see what he would do with it: as Hanso had already explained, he chanted, there was a flash of light, and all the faeries turned to stone. Xandra still didn't trust Hanso's word, but Brynn and Altador were convinced, and went to recover the artefact from Nox before he could do any more damage with it.

The group - Hanso under guard - arrived at [[Castle Nox]] in the [[Haunted Woods]]. As they formed their plan to storm the stronghold, Hanso slipped away. Brynn went after him - as Nox could appear any second, they couldn't afford to delay their plan.

Brynn found Hanso climbing over the wall away from the front gates - he said that he would find his own way in.

{{cq|And how do I know you're not going in there to tip [[Hubrid Nox|him]] off?}}
{{cq|Well, if you don't trust me, you could always stop me.}}

As soon as Hanso snuck in through one of the castle windows, he was spotted by Nox. Hanso asked Nox about the artefact - but Nox didn't seem to know what he was talking about. At that moment, an alarm went off, and Nox saw through his crystal ball Altador and the others storming the gates. Nox opened a secret passageway, threw the crystal ball, and made good his escape.

Brynn rushed in and the door sealed behind her - through the crystal ball, Hanso and Brynn could see the others were sealed in as well. The pair followed the secret passageway Nox escaped through - Brynn all the while berating Hanso for letting Nox escape - and found a strange wooden control board.

Meanwhile, out in the Haunted Woods, Hubrid Nox ran away from his castle, gloating over his escape - before running straight into another Hubrid Nox, who blasted him to the ground.

After Brynn and Hanso used the control panel to help the rest of the heroes escape, Jazan accused Brynn of letting Nox escape and blamed him for getting trapped in the castle. Although Hanso protested that he helped them get out of the castle, they overruled him, and decided to proceed without him. They argued over where Nox could have gone, when Faerieland, surrounded by sinister purple clouds and crackling lightning, appeared overhead. Altador suggested that the faerie's condition had adversely affected the city, when the group was attacked from all sides by shadowy monsters.

Jazan reasoned that the monsters they were fighting could not belong to Nox, as his minions are ghosts. Hanso and Altador realised that the wraiths were distracting them from the sinking Faerieland, and between waves, they resolved to split up. Brynn would go to Brightvale's library to see if there was anything they could use, and take Hanso to the dungeons there. Xandra said she should research more on faerie artefacts as well. The rest of the team would remain to see if the wraiths led them to Nox.

Brynn and Hanso reminisced as to the first time they met, and after a while Xandra excused herself to go to her own books. When they reached Brightvale, they noticed the colour seemed to have gone from it. Brynn dutifully locked Hanso up, but promised she would return after going to the library.

==Plot participation==

The player can participate in this plot, like in the [[Tale of Woe]], by solving puzzles that are released after certain chapters of the story. Solving puzzles, and solving them in specific ways, earns the player achievements called ''Fearless Deeds''.

The first puzzle was linked to at the bottom of the second chapter. The second puzzle, by contrast, had to be found in the [[Deserted Fairground]] of the [[Haunted Woods]], like the puzzles in the [[Tale of Woe]] plot. The third step was a battle which took place in the [[Battledome]], and had a dedicated page to keep track of its progress.

===Xandra's Library===
The first task the user is asked to do is to guide Hanso in a 'retelling' of his first encounter with Xandra. The player must move Hanso around Xandra's library and pick up the four artefacts - which are each glowing green - and then make it to the exit, without Xandra shooting Hanso with magic.

If Hanso is hit, or if he leaves the library without getting all the artefacts, it is presented as an error in the story - Xandra or Hanso will say that that wasn't how it happened, and the user can try again.

Also in the library are three items that are not glowing. These are bonus items, and can be collected in addition to the artefacts. If Hanso escapes with all the artefacts and with one or more of these bonus items, the bonus items will appear in the player's [[inventory]].

The player moves Hanso by clicking a square adjacent to him that is not blocked by a table, a bookshelf, a wall, Xandra, or a pile of rubble. The player then clicks anywhere on the map to see what Xandra's move was - she may shout at the player, run after him, teleport to a random location in the library, or shoot a blast of magic across the map. Unlike Hanso, she does not run diagonally, and nor can she shoot her magic diagonally.

After Hanso has escaped, the library task may be replayed to obtain other achievements or the rest of the bonus items.

====Fearless Deeds====
*'''The Artefact Thief''' - ''Hanso, a well-known rogue and thief, breaks into an old library inhabited by Xandra, a renowned scholar, and steals several valuable artefacts.''
*: Complete the puzzle by escaping with all four artefacts.
*'''Ooh, Shiny!''' - ''Pick up the artefact that started this whole mess.''
*: Pick up the mirror artefact - the player doesn't need to escape with it.
*'''The Task at Hand''' - ''Avoid being distracted by irrelevant fripperies.''
*: Escape with all the glowing artefacts but without any bonus items - this is also earnt if the puzzle is completed after all the bonus items have been taken on previous play-throughs.
*'''Proximity Warning''' - ''Narrowly escape Xandra's scholarly wrath.''
*: Be at some point within one square of Xandra but still escape.

===Castle Nox===
The second task bridges chapter four and chapter five - the player is asked to solve a puzzle using Nox's control panel to allow the rest of the adventurers, who are locked in the castle, to escape. The other heroes are divided into three groups, distributed across the the four floors - second, first, ground, and basement - of the castle. They must be guided to the front door on the ground floor.

The layout of each of the floors is randomised each time the puzzle is played. The location of each group is denoted by a risen bronze peg. The doorways between the rooms are colour-coded red, green, or blue. They player can open all the red doors, or all the green doors, or all the blue doors, at once. If some of the heroes are in a room where one of the doors open, they will go through it into a different room.

The player has to choose five colours at a time, which then open in sequence. The player chooses these colours by clicking the light bulbs at the bottom of the control panel. The brass arrow cycles through the three colour choices as the player clicks. Once all five colours have been assigned, the doors open sequential left to right. Only one set of coloured doors can be open at a time - opening the green doors after you've opened the red doors will shut all the red doors.

In certain room are staircases - when a group enters a room with a staircase, they will immediately go up or down it and out of the room at the other end. In other rooms, there are certain traps, as denoted by small grey tiles on the control panel. These traps - from [[Wadjet]]s - [[wikipedia:Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark|"Why did it have to be Wadjets?"]] - to [[scarab]]s (a reference to the [[Lost Desert Plot]]) - cause the group affected to miss whatever door opens next. Three of the tiles are not traps - one is a gold key, which must be found and used to unlock the front door - one is a room full of [[Usuki]]s, and one is a room full of [[ice cream]].

If two or more pegs reach the same room, the groups will join up and be represented as only one peg. This new group will stay together from then on. The group who found the key - or whatever group they eventually joined up with - must reach the front door first to unlock it for themselves and the others.

If a group is in a room where more than one door opens, they may not necessarily go into the room the player intended. The decision appears to be arbitrary. 

This puzzle can also be played more than once to achieve all the Fearless Deeds.

====Fearless Deeds====
*'''Nox's Locks''' - ''The heroes are trapped in Nox's castle! But Hanso and Brynn have found some kind of strange machine that might let them help the others escape.''
*: Collect the key and get all three characters to the exit. Due to a [http://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=143668561 bug] when this puzzle was first released, it may not have been achieved when the puzzle was completed successfully, although this was later fixed.
*'''We All Scream''' - ''Everyone loves an ice-cold bowl of [[wikipedia:Chunky Monkey|Chintzy Mynci]]... even Hubrid Nox.''
*: All three characters, together or separately, must pass through the ice cream room and escape. This gives the player the [[Spooky Food|Spooky]] [[Food]] ''Giant Tub of Ice Cream''.
*'''[[wikipedia:Fort Knox|Fort Nox]]''' - ''There's gold in them thar halls!''
*: One of the rooms with no more than two different coloured doors will trigger this when a group is in it and a colour not represented by the doors is selected - e.g. in a room with red and blue doors, choosing green causes a 'secret' door to open, visible to the group in the maze, with the treasure in. Which room it is, and which colour door must be opened, is random. This gives the player the [[toy]] [[item]] ''Hubrid Nox Treasure Chest'', which can be opened to obtain a [[Spooky Petpet]].
*'''[[wikipedia:The Three Musketeers|And One For All]]''' - ''"After you." "No, after you." "No, I insist! After you."''
*: Exit through the gold doors with all three characters together.

===Shadow Wraiths===
The third step involves players' [[Neopet]]s reinforcing the heroes in battle, joining one-player fights in the [[Battledome]] against three types of ghostly Shadow Wraiths - [[Shadow Wraith Minion]], [[Shadow Wraith Brute]], and [[Shadow Wraith Fury]]. The different types of wraiths were released over the weekend of 8-10 October, one per day, with increasing difficulty (beginning at 8, 25, and 40 hit points respectively).

Wraiths are released in waves, and all of the wraiths must be defeated before new waves of any type arrive. No other one-player Battledome opponents are available during this time except for [[Punchbag Bob]]. This step is collaborative - the totally statistics take into account all the players who have participated across [[Neopets|the site]], and the number of wraith a player can fight in any wave is reduced by how many wraith have being beaten by other players.

A kill cap was introduced - 50, 40, and 30 wins for the minion, brute, and fury respectively. A wraith defeated through a win or a draw counts towards this cap. While a player can continue to fight beyond this cap so as to get to speed up the next wave or to participate in higher tiers (see below), those kills will not count towards their plot score. After ''all'' the win caps have been reached, if a player continues to fight wraith, they have the chance of winning a bonus item after each win.

Battling these Wraiths can decrease the fighting Neopet's happiness.

====Battle page====
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!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;font-weight:bold;"|Tier #
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!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;font-weight:bold;"|Prize
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|1
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|750,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Bubbling Healing Goo
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|2
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|1,500,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Essence of Everlasting Apple
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|3
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|2,250,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Sparkle Potion
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|4
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|3,000,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Super Icy [[Negg]]
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|5
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|3,750,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Downsize!
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|6
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|4,500,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Ornate Fighting Fan
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|7
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|5,250,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Ultra Icy Negg
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|8
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|6,000,000
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Thick Smoke Bomb
|}

This step introduced a battle page that keeps track of the progress of the total battle. It records when each opponent was released and lists the total numbers of each opponent that have been defeated. It also records progress to each of the tiers.

The total hoard is divided up into tiers of 750,000 kills totalled across every participant on [[Neopets|the site]]. Participating in a tier - by defeating a wraith during it - qualifies the player for a prize when that tier is defeated. even if they have already reached the kill cap. The prize is not unveiled until the end of the tier. On 13 October at 22:36 [[NST]], the waves stopped coming, and tier 9 was left incomplete.

The page also gives updates on the battle from the principle cast:
* During waves:
** ''Brynn'': There's no time to waste! We've got to defeat these... whatever they are... before they wear us down!
** ''Hanso'': Well, hand-to-hand combat isn't my ''best'' skill, honestly, but if any of those creatures slip past the others, I suppose I'll have to make short work of 'em.
** ''Altador'': We are under attack, my friends! Get yourself into the battle at once. There's not a moment to lose!
** ''Xandra'': Ugh! I should have stayed in my library. At least I can do some damage to these... these... whatever they are!
** ''Jazan'': These foul spirits are no match for our strength! They'll have felt our wrath before the day is through!
** ''Ogrin'': An enemy's greatest strength is also his greatest weakness. We must use these creatures' power to our advantage.
* Between waves:
** ''Brynn'': It's going to be tough if this keeps up. Those monsters give me the creeps.
** ''Hanso'': That was pretty easy. Sure, I didn't do much ''actual'' damage, but I'm worth any three of the others.
** ''Altador'': Rest while you can, my friends. We've defeated this wave, but we may be attacked again.
** ''Xandra'': That was a tough fight. I'm glad we were able to hold out, but... what about next time?
** ''Jazan'': Such weak enemies. They will be no match for our might, should they rise against us again.
** ''Ogrin'': The warrior who waits until the most opportune moment has the greatest victory. Now is the time to rest.

While the [[Skeith]] soldier provides comic relief:
* I'll go back to the battle, just as soon as I find my contact lense.
* Every time I look at one of those wraiths, I see my life pass before my eyes. Hey, there's the time I ate fifty doughnuts on a dare!
* Wow, Jazan sure can be a vicious fighter! I'm glad he's on our side.
* I'll guard Hanso. Got to make sure that clever thief doesn't escape!
* I never like to fight on an empty stomach.
* I could help fight, but I think Altador has things under control.
* Why spooky wraiths? Couldn't we get attacked by some fluffy [[Babaa]]s?
* Why couldn't I have gone to culinary school like my mother said I should?
* Does anyone else feel cold? I should have brought my coat.
* Did someone say ice cream?
* This is the most excitement I've had all year!

====Feerless Deeds====
*'''Into the Fray''' - ''Ambushed in the woods by strange, ethereal wraiths, the heroes find themselves surrounded and outnumbered. Get to the [[Battledome]] and help them!''
*: Defeat a wraith.
::''Shadow Wraith Minion'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 50 kills.
::''Shadow Wraith Brute'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 40 kills.
::''Shadow Wraith Fury'' - kill counter, but points are capped after 30 kills.
*'''[[wikipedia:Pro Wrestling (Nintendo Entertainment System)#"A_winner_is_you"|A Winner Is You!]]''' - ''Good, you managed to avoid stabbing yourself. Now get back into the fight!''
*: Defeat any wraith once.
*'''Stand Your Ground''' - ''[[wikipedia:The best defense is a good offense|A good defense is the best... defense.]]''
*: Use the ''defend'' stance for three rounds in one battle. They do not have to be consecutive.
*'''Five of a Kind''' - ''If this keeps up, we'll win this battle in no time.''
*: Defeat at least five of each wraith.

===The Finneus J. Scrollbottom Auxiliary Surplus Archives===
Refreshing at the map of [[Brightvale]] eventually causes a text link to appear beneath it, reading "You notice a strange door on one side of the castle... how odd." - some people have reported having to turn Adblock or NoScript off in their browsers before it would appear. The link leads to [http://www.neopets.com/medieval/archives.phtml the Brightvale archives], where a relative of the grumpy [[Yurble]] [[The Foreman|foreman]] is trying to get the library organised for Brynn. Mistaking the player for a library intern he requested, he orders them to get to work sorting out one of the archive's many rooms.
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Clicking on the archway in the staircase will take the player to one of several thousand rooms. In each room is a bookcase with four shelves, each shelf is labelled a different topic. The player must put the correct topic of books onto each shelf, and order each shelf correctly. Amongst the books will be several that do not belong, and these may be thrown into adjacent rooms. Each incorrect topic will only belong in one of the two rooms - if it is sent to the wrong one, or if books that belong on the players shelf are thrown away, they will be thrown back.

The spine of each book has a coloured head, a symbol, a number, and a geometric shape. There are thirteen different symbols (see right), each of which corresponds to a different subject - i.e. a different shelf. For example, the pod of peas (second column, bottom row) corresponds to the shelf ''Inedible [[wikipedia:Legumes|Legumes]] of Brightvale'', and the exclamation mark to ''[[wikipedia:xkcd|Help! I'm Trapped in a Bookshelf Factory]]''.

There should be ten books per shelf for a completed bookcase.

The other features of the spine correspond to the order within a shelf the book must be placed. The order is different for different shelves, but is either:

*Numeric:
**The numbers on the spines are arranged in ascending order, left to right;
**The numbers on the spines are reversed (e.g. "123" becomes "321") and ''then'' sorted in ascending order, left to right.
**The ''sum'' of the digits on the spines are arranged in ascending order, left to right (e.g. "234" = 2 + 3 + 4 = 9, "413" = 4 + 1 + 3 = 8, "234" follows "413");
**The number each geometric shape represents arranged in ascending order, left to right (i.e. a dot is 1, a line is 2, a triangle is 3, a square is 4...).
*By colour:
**The colours of the top of the spines are arranged as in a spectrum or rainbow ([[wikipedia:ROYGBIV|ROYGBIV]] - Reds, oranges, yellow, green, blues, purple, ''then'' black);
**The colours of the geometric shape arranged as in a spectrum or rainbow.

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There is a bell on the desk: when rung, the Yurble will arrive and berate the player if there are any books in the wrong place. These will be removed from the shelves and strewn on the desk. Books that are correctly ordered and on the right shelf will be left on the shelves. This refers to the books relative order - if two books are left on a shelf by the Yurble, they are meant to be to be next to each other, and there there should be any books placed in between them. There may be books before and after the pair, however.

When the Yurble removes books from the shelves, there is a chance it may dislodge a bonus item the player wins: "While knocking books off the shelf, the librarian dislodges an item! You pick it up before he notices it."

If all the books are in the right order, and all are on the right shelves, when the bell is rang the Yurble will instead berate the player for taking too long, and the player can return to the front of the library and receive a new room to organise, for example to get any achievements they may have missed.

{{cq|"Took you long enough! I guess you got this shelf organized, though... '''*grumble*''' All right, off with you then. Captain Brynn needs to search this room, and I don't want you getting in her way!"}}

====Subjects====
The complete list of subjects and how they are organised is as follows:

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!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;text-align:center;"|Subject
!style="background-color:#0088aa;color:#ffffff;text-align:center;-moz-border-radius-topright:15pt;"|Order
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Saxaphone
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''History of Jazzmosis''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Ascending order by number.
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|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|π
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''π''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Mountain
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Terror Mountain Vacation Journals''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Battleaxe
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Theory of Warfare''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Bread
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''Things a Skeith Won't Eat''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Wand
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Ineffective Teleportation Spells''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Ascending order by reversed number (123 becomes 321).
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|?
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Miscellaneous''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|[[wikipedia:Test tube|Test tube]]
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Potent Potables''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Orange goo
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Rhymes with 'Jurple'''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Diagonal sword
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|'''S' words''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|@#!$
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Ancient Shenkuuvian Curses''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Ascending order by sum of digits (123 = 1 + 2 + 3 = 5)
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|[[Wikipedia:Garfield|Orange cat]]
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Forbidden Lasagne Recipes''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Horizontal dagger
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Implausible Revenge Scenarios''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Tooth
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Korbat [[Wikipedia:Psychology|Psychology]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Orange leaf
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''[[wikipedia:Potpourri|Potpourri]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Fountain pen
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Incorrectly Labelled Books''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Ascending order by sum of digits (123 = 1 + 2 + 3 = 5)
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Pea pod
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Inedible Legumes of Brightvale''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Skull
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''[[Mortog]] [[Lost Desert Plot|Toxicology Reports]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Shard of Glass
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Stained Glass'''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Potion
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''[[Transmogrification]]''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Bomb
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''[[wikipedia:Doomsday|Doomsday]] Weapons''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;" rowspan="5"|Rainbow order of spines.
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Xandra's mirror
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Harmful Faerie Artefacts''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|!
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Help! I'm Trapped in a Bookshelf Factory''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Eye
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Look Behind You!''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|Spatula
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''Things You Find in the Kitchen''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Cake
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Cake's and Pastries''
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;-moz-border-radius-bottomright:15pt;" rowspan="5"|Rainbow order of geometric shapes.
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|☺
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Harmless Faerie Artefacts''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|[[Mynci]] pointing left
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Histories''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|Mynci pointing right
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;"|''Prophecies''
|-
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;-moz-border-radius-bottomleft:15pt;"|Pincers
|style="text-align:center;background-color:#eeeeff;color:#000000;border-bottom:2px #0088aa solid;"|''Unnecessarily Slow-Moving Dipping Mechanisms''
|}

====Fearless Deeds====
*'''Shhhhhhh!''' - ''Brightvale's store of knowledge is unrivaled, and Brynn knows there must be something helpful in the castle library's archives... but first there's a little cleaning to do.''
*:Correctly organise a bookshelf.
*'''They're Flying Off the Shelves!''' - ''Go home, book! [[wikipedia:Happy Gilmore|Are you too good for your home?!]]''
*:Throw away all the books that don't belong on a bookcase.
*'''[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/son-i-am-disappoint Son, I Am Disappoint]''' - ''You literally could not be any more wrong.''
*:Call the Yurble with all the books on the wrong shelves.
*'''First Time's the Charm''' - ''[[wikipedia:She Blinded Me with Science|You blinded him with library science.]]''
*:Don't call the Yurble until all the shelves are correctly organised and the surplus books removed - i.e. the puzzle is complete the first time the Yurble is called.

==Neocash component==

The Faeries' Ruin is the first plot to include an additional [[Neocash]] element. However, [[The Neopets Team]] reported that "[i]t in no way affects your plot score" [http://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=143668561].

Users can buy ''Key Packs'' for Neocash that supply keys used to enter the Corridor of Chance in [[Castle Nox]]. Each key purchased allows one use of the [[Transfabulator]] found there. The Transfabulator returns an item the user's [[Neopet]] is wearing to the [[Closet]] and replaces it with an exclusive wearable. It may also grant the Neopet an effect, which lasts for five days.

Once the lever on the Transfabulator is pulled, the key used to enter the Corridor is used up.

==Trivia==
*During the plot, the [[Healing Springs]] had some "residual magic" to be used at the user's own risk. Before the release of ''Into the Fray'', if the user tried to "Heal my Pets", they were told there was no-one there to heal them; during ''Into the Fray'', it generated one of the Water Faerie's item events - either a low level snowball or a healing potion.
*The [[Soup Kitchen]] was still usable during the plot, as the [[Soup Faerie]] had made an extra large cauldron of soup.
*The shops both at the [[Healing Springs]] and the [[Hidden Tower]] remained open without their owners present, presumably relying on an honesty-box system.
*Reference was made in the plot to the fate of [[The Darkest Faerie]].
*The Commonwealth English spelling of ''art'''e'''fact'' is used throughout the plot, although ''art'''i'''fact'' is used elsewhere on the [[Neopets|site]].
*After the release of the first chapter, a [[wikipedia:meme|meme]] began on the [[Neoboards]] as to the fate of a pie, which had also been petrified along with the faeries. This was referenced in [[Lenny Conundrum]] [http://www.neopets.com/games/conundrum_feature.phtml?round=375 round 375], and [[Random Contest]] number 201.
*[[Kanrik]] made a [[wikipedia:cameo|cameo]] in chapter 7 in a flashback as one of the people [[Hanso]] robbed.

==External Links==
*'''Plot page:''' [http://www.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr/ The Faeries' Ruin], [http://www.neopets.com/faerieland/tfr/battle.phtml The Faeries' Ruin - Into the Fray]
*'''Plot locations:''' [http://www.neopets.com/halloween/library.phtml Xandra's Library], [http://www.neopets.com/halloween/fortnox.phtml Nox's Castle]
*[http://www.neopets.com/help.phtml?folderID=389 Castle Nox - Corridor of Chance Help]

[[Category:Plots]]
[[Category:The Faeries' Ruin|*]]

Talk:The Faeries' Ruin

2010-10-16T00:48:51Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Memes */

The Faeries' Ruin

2010-10-16T00:41:31Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Feerless Deeds */ should be obvious, but I'll link it nevertheless

Talk:The Faeries' Ruin

2010-10-16T00:34:15Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Memes */ new section

The Faeries' Ruin

2010-10-16T00:31:49Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Fearless Deeds */

Talk:The Neopets Team

2010-06-30T13:43:17Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Pet of theneopetsteam */ new section

==TNT German Monitor==
Do you need the name of the current German supporter? He is called John Keel with the account [http://www.neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=mcdrool mcdrool]. He is also the monitor for the German boards. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 12:58, 12 Dec 2006 (CST)
:It isn't a monitor currently listed on the article, so yes, he would be a good addition. Thank you. :) How did you come by this information? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:05, 12 Dec 2006 (CST)
::As you can see on my [[User:Himmelsdemon|user page]] I'm German :). Well, not really, but I have been living in Germany for eight years since I was 8. I came to Pinkpt searching for infos about [[The Discovery of Maraqua]] and saw the project here.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 02:14, 13 Dec 2006 (CST)

==Pokémon?==
Does anyone have more information about TNT "turning into" Pokemon on APril Fools? It was before my time, and I nearly got rid of the Trivia note because I thought it was nonsense! Others might do the same...--[[User:192.114.44.181|192.114.44.181]] 12:33, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)
:The only occasion when TNT "turned into" [[Wikipedia:Pokémon|Pokémon]] was on the 14th January 2000, as indicated by the relevant new features page [http://neopets.com/newfeatures/jan2000.phtml]. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 14:32, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)

==Moderators for other languages - extra section?==
There are moderators/supporters who are not expected to deal with issues of any other countries than the one they are in charge for. Maybe these should have their own section in the external links? Otherwise, I am afraid that somebody might accidentally stumble across this information and send them bug reports/spammer reports/whatever.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 23:41, 28 Dec 2007 (UTC)

:Sounds like a very good point to me. ;) This can also be explained in the article itself. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:43, 29 Dec 2007 (UTC)

== Pet of theneopetsteam ==

theneopetsteam has a pet called [http://www.neopets.com/petlookup.phtml?pet=rackatackata rackatackata]. Don't know where to add it.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 13:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Kreludan Mining Corp.

2010-06-09T09:38:18Z

Himmelsdemon:

A game.
To enter the Kreludan Mining Corp. from Kreludor, one must have an access code.
Yeah, it's not a good idea to stay. He might get mad!
{{stub}}

[[Category: Games]]
[[Category: Action Games]]

Kauvara

2010-06-09T09:36:51Z

Himmelsdemon: Reverted edits by 74.83.103.110 (Talk); changed back to last version by 68.5.51.238

[[Image:Kauvara Neopedia.gif|frame|right|Kauvara, Magic Shopkeeper]]

{{Construction|reason=Battledome info needed}}

'''Kauvara''' is a [[Starry]] [[Kau]] who sells magical potions in the [[Neopian Magic Shop]].

==Plot summaries==
===The Tyrannian Invasion===
:''Main Article: [[The Tyrannian Invasion]]''
Kauvara's main contribution to the Tyrannian War Effort was halving the prices of healing potions in her shop on May 9th, 2001.

===Brucey B and the Lucky Coin===
:''Main Article: [[Brucey B and the Lucky Coin]]''
Kauvara was one of many who recommended that [[Brucey B]] visit [[The Brain Tree]] to ask of the whereabouts of his Lucky Coin. She immediately walked back to her shop after dispensing her advice and locked the door, making it seem she knew more than she was letting on.

==Battledome==

Kauvara's Magic Shop sells lots of magical potions essential to winning in the battledome.

===Quotes===
'''During Fight...'''

*He he.. that tickled.. you know you'll have to try harder than that!
*If you were a regular in my shop, I would be easier on you!
*Stand still so I can get a good shot at you!
*Pah! You don't seriously think you can beat me do you?
*Why you cheeky little monkey!
*Did you just call me a greedy little Kau?

'''After Win...'''

*So, you decided to try again!

'''Frozen'''

*You froze me! You little brat!

'''Lose'''

*(unknown)

'''Win'''

*Aww I let you win that one, wanna fight again?

==Trivia==
*In in the [[Neopedia]] [http://neopets.com/neopedia.phtml?neopedia_id=12 Kauvaras Potion], it's said Kauvara has a little sister named [[Allita]], who sometimes helps her collect arbiter berries on [[Roo Island]].
*On December 13, 2007, Kauvara was featured in [[Better Than You]], scoring 900 in [[Warf Rescue Team]]. Reward was an '''[[Illusen]] Day Elixir'''. Quoted saying...<blockquote>''Oh dear! Please hurry, there's quite a few Kadoaties stuck up a tree outside my shop. I've been working with the Warf Rescue Team to help get them out, but I must return to my shop. If you help out considerably, I'll give you this potion.''</blockquote>

==External links==
*'''Plot Info:''' [http://www.neopets.com/desert/plot.phtml?current_day=5&current_page=1 Brucey B and the Lucky Coin - Day 5, Page 1], [http://www.neopets.com/nf.phtml?nf_date=2001-05-07 Kauvara's efforts during the Tyrannian Invasion]
*'''Pronunciation:''' [http://images.neopets.com/images/pronounce/kauvara.wav Kauvara - ''cow-vah-ra'']
*'''Neopedia:''' [http://neopets.com/neopedia.phtml?neopedia_id=9 Kauvara, Magic Shopkeeper], [http://neopets.com/neopedia.phtml?neopedia_id=12 Kauvaras Potion], [http://neopets.com/neopedia.phtml?neopedia_id=243Kauvaras Marvellous Kau Potion]
*'''NeoDeck:''' [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=81 Desert Flower], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=254 Kauvara]
*'''Neopets TCG:''' [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=1&id=62 Kauvara's Potion], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=2&id=82 Kayla], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=6&id=44 Kauvara], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=8&id=30 JubJub Morphing Potion]
*'''Caption Competition:''' [http://www.neopets.com/games/caption/caption_archive.phtml?place=53 #53], [http://www.neopets.com/games/caption/caption_archive.phtml?place=580 #580], [http://www.neopets.com/games/caption/caption_archive.phtml?place=627 #627]

[[Category:Heroes]]
[[Category:Kaus]]
[[Category:Battledome Opponents]]
[[Category:The Tyrannian Invasion]]
[[Category:Brucey B and the Lucky Coin]]
[[Category:Better Than You]]

Neopets (film)

2010-02-12T00:18:39Z

Himmelsdemon:

{{construction|reason=More in-depth information about movie and external links (sources) to be added}}

'''Neopets''' is the working title to an as-of-yet unreleased film based on [[Neopets (website)|the website]]. It will be a 3D animated picture, made in [[Wikipedia:Computer-generated imagery|CGI]], directed by [http://imdb.com/name/nm0204884/ John A. Davis] and produced by [http://imdb.com/name/nm1950147/ Jéské Couriano] and [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0783346/ Dylan Sellers].

The film is to be produced at [http://www.imdb.com/company/co0029890/ Dylan Sellers Productions] and distributed by [[Wikipedia:Warner Brothers Pictures|Warner Brothers Pictures]], with the permission of Neopets Inc, and it is reported to be tentatively titled '''The Lost Tomb: A Neopets Adventure''' and is set for a US release on April 20, 2009. It is planned to be at least 85 minutes long and anticipated to be rated PG by the [[Wikipedia:Motion Picture Association of America|MPAA]]. The movie is currently in pre-production.

The [[Jelly Blobs of Doom]] [http://www.neopets.com/games/jellyblobs.phtml game page] originally mentioned a movie coming in the Winter of 2006, and since then the release date has been moved up to Winter 2008 and since then the release date was first changed to Winter 2011 and then to Winter 2012.
It is possible that it won't be released.
==Plot==
''...not available...''

==Cast & Crew==

===Cast===
''...not available...''

===Crew===
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1464577/ Rob Lieber]- Writer
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000035/ James Honer]- Composer

==Publicity==
As of July 2007, no posters or images relating to the film have been released.

==Trivia==
*If this movie does well, TNT stated that there will be more Neopets movies in the future.
*This movie is thought to be related to the game, Jelly Blobs of Doom. However, the title of the movie leans towards a movie about a lost tomb, leading towards a movie plot on Mystery Island, rather than one in Jelly World.
*All species of Neopets will be shown in the movie, but it is unknown if all will be named.

==External links==
*'''PinkPT:''' [http://www.pinkpt.com/neopetsthemovie_whatshouldweexpect.htm Neopets the Movie]
*'''Game Info:''' [http://www.neopets.com/games/play.phtml?game_id=359 Jelly Blobs of Doom]
*'''IMDb:''' [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0954276/ Neopets Flim Info]

[[category: Neopets Terminology]]

Grey Faerie

2009-12-29T04:26:49Z

Himmelsdemon: Reverted edits by 173.63.6.120 (Talk); changed back to last version by Cath

{{PastFeatured}}
[[Image:Grey Faerie Image.gif|frame|Grey Faerie [[NeoDeck]] image.]]
The '''Grey Faerie''' is a [[Faerie]] in [[Neopia]] which has had her wings removed, destroying all her use in magic. Introduced to [[Neopets (website)|Neopets]] through a [[Neopedia]] article on April 18, 2003, to date there is only one known Grey Faerie (originally named '''Baelia'''), although there may be more in hiding. As told in a the original Neopedia article, Baelia was stripped of her magical powers imprisoned by a [[Dark Faerie]] named [[Jennumara]]. She was freed by [[Tavi]], a mountain climber who tricked the lock of her cage. It is said she would regain her powers when she received a new name.

==Bottled Grey Faerie==
{|align=right
|http://images.neopets.com/items/bottlefaerie_grey.gif
|}
On April 18, 2003 when the Grey Faerie Neopedia was released, an image of a [[Bottled Faerie]] with the Grey Faerie inside was found on the servers, raising speculation about Baelia and a possible plot. This suspicion was raised when [[The Neopets Team]] revealed in [[Neopian Times]] [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=90 editorial #90] users would "be hearing more about grey faeries soon", hinting there were many more Grey Faeries. Since that time, no news about the Grey Faerie has been released, making users wonder if the plot has been abandoned or rescheduled.

==Colour==
:''Main Article: [[Grey]]''

Grey is is one of the many [[The Rainbow Pool|colours]] that users can paint their [[Neopet|Neopets]] and [[Petpet|Petpets]]. Grey pets are designed to be similar to the Grey Faerie. Key traits of the Grey colour include red, baggy eyes, weak body movements, and looking sad even when happy. The Grey colour for Neopets was released on April 9, 2004, and the Grey colour for Petpets was released on September 4, 2003.

==Trivia==
*As of January 2007, the Grey Faerie is featured in 82 different [[item]]s.
*[[NeoDeck|Collectable Card]] released July 18, 2003.
*The ''Grey Faerie Doll'' was released July 25, 2003, and is available from the [[Smugglers Cove]].
*The ''Grey Faerie'' [[avatar]] was released on September 4, 2003, and is acquired by viewing its Neopedia article. The ''Gloomy'' avatar was released on April 14, 2005.
*On April 14, 2004, ''Grey'' was the ''Random Theme'' for [[New Features]]. It's now been made the official ''Grey Day''.
*''How To Draw'' tutorial added on January 20, 2004.
*The [[User Lookup]] 51 month shield created on December 15, 2003, features the Grey Faerie.
*There are no faeries other than the Grey Faerie who have white hair.
*Together with [[Taelia]] she is one of only two faeries with feathered wings (a few feathers can be seen sticking from her back).
*It was once believed Jennamura was [[The Darkest Faerie]] from the [[Wikipedia:PlayStation 2|PlayStation 2]] game [[Neopets: The Darkest Faerie]], though The Neopets Team debunked this rumour in a Neopian Times editorial.

==External links==
*'''Neopedia:''' [http://www.neopets.com/neopedia.phtml?neopedia_id=179 The Grey Faerie]
*'''Neopets TCG:''' [http://neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=1&id=119 Grey Faerie], [http://neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=10&id=112 Grey Faerie (2nd Print)]
*'''Caption Competition:''' [http://www.neopets.com/games/caption/caption_archive.phtml?place=372 #372], [http://www.neopets.com/games/caption/caption_archive.phtml?place=505 #505], [http://www.neopets.com/games/caption/caption_archive.phtml?place=660 #660]
*[http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?issue=235 Neopian Times - ''Grey Faerie Issue'']
*'''Editorial:''' [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=68 68], [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=90 90], [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=91 91], [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=130 130], [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=136 136], [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=143 143], [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=146 146], [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=194 194], [http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=227 227], [http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=239 239], [http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=265 265]
*'''NeoGreetings:''' [http://www.neopets.com/sendgreeting.phtml?sponsearch=&greeting_id=5 Under The Weather], [http://www.neopets.com/sendgreeting.phtml?sponsearch=&greeting_id=767 Will You Be My Valentine], [http://www.neopets.com/sendgreeting.phtml?sponsearch=&greeting_id=806 Can You Cheer Me Up], [http://www.neopets.com/sendgreeting.phtml?sponsearch=&greeting_id=807 Feeling Better Than I Am], [http://www.neopets.com/sendgreeting.phtml?sponsearch=&greeting_id=808 Miss You So Much], [http://www.neopets.com/sendgreeting.phtml?sponsearch=&greeting_id=987 I Miss You], [http://www.neopets.com/sendgreeting.phtml?sponsearch=&greeting_id=1003 Have a Grey Day], [http://www.neopets.com/sendgreeting.phtml?sponsearch=&greeting_id=1005 I'm Sorry]
*'''Neopets Poems:''' [http://www.neopets.com/contributions_poems.phtml?place=549 Grey Day Special 2005], [http://www.neopets.com/contributions_poems.phtml?place=683 Grey Day Special 2006]
*'''How To Draw:''' [http://www.neopets.com/art/faeries/grey.phtml A Grey Faerie]
*[http://www.neopets.com/funimages.phtml?type=Grey Neopets Fun Images - ''Grey'']
*'''Art Gallery:''' [http://www.neopets.com/art/gallery.phtml?place=474 Grey Day 2004 #1], [http://www.neopets.com/art/gallery.phtml?place=475 Grey Day 2004 #2], [http://www.neopets.com/art/gallery.phtml?place=476 Grey Day 2004 #3], [http://www.neopets.com/art/gallery.phtml?place=477 Grey Day 2004 #4], [http://www.neopets.com/art/gallery.phtml?place=478 Grey Day 2004 #5], [http://www.neopets.com/art/gallery.phtml?place=732 Grey Day 2005]
*[http://www.neopets.com/art/storytell.phtml?issue=177 Storytelling Competition - ''Week 177'']
*'''Gallery Spotlight:''' [http://www.neopets.com/gallery.phtml?place=122 Lighting Up Neopia!], [http://www.neopets.com/gallery.phtml?place=173 Grey-Esque]
*[http://www.neopets.com/sitespotlight.phtml?place=460 Site Spotlight - ''Grey Dreams'']

{{Faerie}}

[[Category:Heroes]]
[[Category:Faeries]]

MediaWiki:Gotaccount

2009-12-29T03:33:29Z

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2009-12-29T03:31:50Z

Himmelsdemon:

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MediaWiki:Gotaccount

2009-12-29T03:27:21Z

Himmelsdemon: It NEVER works on the first time.

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2009-12-29T03:25:53Z

Himmelsdemon: as per general consens on http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=User_talk:Cath&oldid=51310#Checkuser

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User:Musket88

2009-12-29T03:10:05Z

Himmelsdemon: Unlinking. I realize you are allowed to have pretty much everything on your user page, but this one creates a lot of unnecessary red links.

== 500 Greatest Songs ==

# "We Can Entertain", The Barbarian
# "Conversation", The Crude Five
# "Pretend", Jonas Lendon
# "What's Happening", Tolbin Gaye
# "Broken Wing", Rampage
# "Good Feelings", The Tuskaninny Boys
# "Jeder Bee Alright", Chaton Barson
# "Hey Judeth", The Kyriis
# "Smells Like Nirvana", Teen Spirit
# "What'd I Tell You", Redstone Clares
# "My Generation", Who Are We?
# "Change Is Gonna Come", Sulton Vickles
# "Tomorrow", The Kyriis
# "Travelin In The Wind", The Barbarian
# "Darigan Calling", The Collision
# "Let Me Hold Your Hand", The Kyriis
# "Green Haze", Tardack Livingston
# "Heartbreak Hotel", Prelvis
# "Let It Be", The Kyriis
# "Small Fish In A Big Pond", Jazzmosis
# "Born To Run", Springsteen
# "Hurt", The Heartbreakers
# "A Day In The Life", The Kyriis
# "People Are You Ready", The Impressors
# "Only God Knows", The Tuskaninny Boys
# "In My Life", The Kyriis
# "Late At Night", Krawk Island's Finest
# "I've Been Lovin You Too Long", Otlis Applegate
# "Come On", The Blue Kacheek Group
# "Good Moods", Rampage
# "Stairway To Heaven", Led Zeppelin
#

Random Theme Day

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Neopets' Birthday

2009-12-29T02:57:42Z

Himmelsdemon: Topic relevant enough for own article because of games + site theme.

[[Neopets]] was created on November 15, 1999. Therefore, this day is considered the '''Birthday of Neopets''' and is an annual celebration.
==Festivities==
*During the week before the birthday users can send their scores in [[games]] 5 times per day opposed to the normal 3. An exception was Neopets' 10th birthday with the amount of maximum times being 10, respectively.
*Neopets' birthday is one of the two days when the birthday [[Site Theme|site theme]] is available, the other being the user's own birthday.

{{stub}}
[[Category:Neopets Holidays]]

Neopets, The Website

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Altador

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{{Construction|reason=Basic Neopian world look to be created along with other world articles, overview and history to be expanded}}

:''Altador directs here. For information on the ruler of Altador, see [[King Altador]]''

[[image:Altador.PNG|right|thumb|300px|The City of Altador]]

'''Altador''' is an old relic of a city over 1000 years old which resides on the "other side" of [[Neopia]]. It was first explored in [[Neopets: The Darkest Faerie]], and released on the [[Neopets|website]] on March 1, 2006.

==Overview==
Altador lies far from current Neopian society, all the way on the unexplored "other side" of Neopia. It has only recently made contact with the world, due to the fact it literally disappeared from memory over 1000 years ago due to time manipulation (similar to [[Meridell]]). Since its reappearance, it has begun trade with the rest of the Neopia.

The reappearance of Altador was shared with all Neopians on March 1, 2006, when two brave Neopets (believed to be [[Tormund]] and [[Roberta]]) discovered a strange portal in [http://neopets.com/faerieland/faeriecity.phtml Faerie City] (specifically [[Fyora]]'s chambers), which teleports to the Hall of Heroes.

It's currently ruled by 11 (formerly 12) [[Gallery of Heroes|heroes]], the head of which is [[King Altador]], from which the city gains its name.

==History of Altador==
Much of the history of Altador is shrouded in mystery, while pieces of it have been revealed in The Darkest Faerie video game and in the [[Altador Plot]].

Altador was originally a peaceful and prosperous land, ruled by 12 protectors, one of which was a [[Dark Faerie]], now only known as [[The Darkest Faerie]]. As the other leaders aged, The Darkest Faerie believed she should be the sole ruler of Altador because of her immortality, and began plotting against the other protectors to take over. [[Jerdana]], the one of the 12, banished the Faerie from Altador when she learned of her plot. Outraged at her banishment, she planned against Altador from afar, and returned wreaking havoc on the city. To protect the city, Jerdana placed it within a spell of slow time. [[Fyora]] then used ''Jerdana's Orb'' to trap The Darkest Faerie in stone, and where she fell to the bottom of the [[Maraqua]]n ocean.

1000 years passed for the rest of the world, while little to no time passed in Altador, and The Darkest Faerie eventually broke free, forcing the remaining 11 (who blended into the world of Neopia) into action to find two heroes to fight against her. [[Tormund]] and [[Roberta]] were separately selected, and eventually came to Altador to discover a way to stop The Darkest Faerie and release Altador from the time spell, both of which were accomplished.

==Yooyuball==
The [[Altador Cup|Yooyuball]] team of Altador boasts an airtight defence, allowing them to usually win with only one goal per game. During the 2006 season, they averaged the least amount of goals allowed per game coming into the Altador Cup, though it is question if they could generate enough scoring to stay in the tournament.

Having lost in Round One of the 2006 tournament, many were lead to believe Altador was out of practice after the thousand year hiatus, which prompted them to work hard during the following year's practices, exhibitions, and regular season matches, making them fighting fit and ready to prove the loss was a fluke. Team Captain [["Trapper" Remis]] cautioned the "so-called experts" that picking against them was madness, and was quoted telling the press, "After all, let's not forget who invented the game. No one's gonna stop us from taking back what's rightfully ours." But after placing 13th twice, then 15th excuses were gone for the Altador team.

Team positions are as follows (bolded notes the Team Captain):
{| wikitable border="1" cellpadding="2" align="center"
|-style="background:#BDBDBD"
! Year || Goalkeeper || Left Defender || Centre Defender || Right Defender || Centre Forward
|- align="center"
| 2006 ||rowspan="4"| [[Salayne Ritad]] || [[Cawley Embith]] ||rowspan="4"| '''[["Trapper" Remis]]''' ||rowspan="4"| [[Timu]] ||rowspan="4"| [[Winberto Seliz]]
|- align="center"
| 2007 ||rowspan="3"| [[Lyvon Cibaire]]
|- align="center"
| 2008
|- align="center"
| 2009
|}

==Merchandise==
Altador and its heroes were also featured in [[Neopets: The Darkest Faerie]], which was released for the [[Wikipedia:PlayStation 2|PlayStation 2]] on November 15, 2005. It's also made reference to in many [[Neopets TCG]] cards.

==Climate==
The weather for Altador is dry and sunny most of the time, according to the Altador Cup team logo which is a sun. The good weather is likely the reason Altador is the venue for the annual Altador Cup, to prevent bad weather from interfering the tournament if it was hosted elsewhere.

==Trivia==
*Originally, when Neopets: The Darkest Faerie was to being developed, Altador was originally called ''Talador''. Because of this, there are Neopet TCG cards and [[Neopian Times]] editorials which make reference to it. Due to some legal issues, however, this had to be changed, and "Altador", an anagram of the original name, was chosen instead.
*While Altador contains many features of the ancient Greek and Roman civilizations such as an [[wikipedia:amphitheatre|amphitheatre]], liberal use of [[wikipedia:column|columns]], and [[wikipedia:toga|togas]] worn by the inhabitants, it is not meant to be based on any one specifically.
*People originally visited Altador by clicking on a portal in the [[Faerie City]] in [[Faerieland]], however this was changed once the other side of Neopia was released. With the redesign of Faerie City in September 2009, the portal was removed for good.

==See also==
*'''Plots:''' [[Neopets: The Darkest Faerie]], [[Altador Plot]], [[Altador Cup]]
*'''Shops:''' [[Exquisite Ambrosia]], [[Illustrious Armoury]], [[Legendary Petpets]], [[Magical Marvels]]
*'''Games:''' [[Crisis Courier]], [[Mop n Bop]], [[Ready to Roll]]

==External links==
{{Helony|Altador}}
*[http://neopets.com/altador/index.phtml Altador]
*'''Neopedia:''' [http://www.neopets.com/neopedia.phtml?neopedia_id=78 Kingdom of Altador]
*'''Neopets TCG:''' [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=9&id=31 Altador], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=9&id=32 Altadorian Crest], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=9&id=55 Tainted Altador], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=11&id=56 Hall of Heroes]
*'''Caption Contest:''' [http://neopets.com/games/caption/caption_archive.phtml?place=706 706], [http://neopets.com/games/caption/caption_archive.phtml?place=712 712], [http://www.neopets.com/games/caption/caption_archive.phtml?place=798 #798], [http://www.neopets.com/games/caption/caption_archive.phtml?place=811 #811]
*'''Editorial:''' [http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=199 #199], [http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=200 #200], [http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=233 #233], [http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=307 #307], [http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=346 #346]
{{Altador Cup Teams}}

[[Category:Neopia]]
[[Category:Neopets: The Darkest Faerie]]
[[Category:Altador Plot]]
[[Category:Altador Cup]]

Anti Neopian Movement

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New Features

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Neopets merchandise

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New features

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Talk:List of references in Neopets

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Hannah and the Ice Caves: Game

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User talk:Macbeth/Archive3

2009-12-29T02:24:07Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Thanks */ new section

[[User talk:Macbeth/Archive1|Archive 1]]

== I need a replacement...or something ==

I'm finally making it officially and stating that I won't be here for awhile, and will need someone to take the lead...or something. Go to the [[NeoDex_talk:Community_Portal#New_Head.2Fadditional_Head_Admin_needed|talk page of the community portal]] to see what I'm talking about. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Fur Ball ==

Hm, okay, I automatically associated it with fur balls cats throw up (maybe because I own two cats)... ew, best not to think about it. Thanks for the heads-up :)--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 23:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
== Hi ==
Hi Macbeth. I'm Neezles. Thanks for the heads-up! :) [[User:A Neezles A|A Neezles A]] 05:49, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

== User:86.45.101.100 ==

Hey. Thank the IPU that somebody has finally done that. Out of curiousity, did you intend to leave "Prevent account creation" unchecked?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 16:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah. IP addresses shift a lot, it seems a bit unfair to stop someone signing up for an account just because that IP address has a bit of history with us. All the more reason for signing up for a username, heh. I don't think the editor behind 86.45.101.100 will be giving us much more trouble in future, though. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 19:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::Guess not. I have a feeling editor 86.45.64.94 is the same person on a different computer due to the fact that the same incorrect edits are made and the same articles are targeted. Should we ban this one as well? --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 23:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Yeah. Or turned his router off and on ;). And, yup, I've just banned him, we can knock them down as fast as he can rack 'em up. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 01:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== Lvl up ==
http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/Nintendo_Level_Up_Patch.jpg !

YOU HAS IT.

Congratulations, you deserve it. *swears oath of allegiance to new ruler* --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:Congratulations! I shall do my best to assist you in maintaining the greatness of the Neodex. :D --[[User:emeraldosprey|Emerald Osprey]]

::That's is a nice one, Demon. :D All hail the mighty Macbeth! --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 17:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Woah, congrats on your most excellent promotion :D *bows before our new <strike>queen</strike> king* --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 17:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>*</nowiki>blush*

She's our new lovely Administrator!

Ah, "he"... "''He'''s our new lovely Administrator!" :P. Yeah, shoulder length hair, but still a ''he''. *sweat drop* My fault for not being more macho, I guess.

Sysops, you all have my total support and confidence to carry on doing what you have been doing, I'm really pleased that I have the best, most responsible and trustworthy team of PinkPT staff to work with :). Thank you for your kind congratulations, if there are any issues you would like to raise with me, about anything to do with the Neodex, I am open to everything ;). Just drop a line here (or via e-mail - there's a link to the left - if you'd like to keep it more private).

Okay, let's see if we can't make the Neodex even better than it is now, team :D. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 21:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:ooooooh. Shiny... I came back just in time. Congrats. I'm not making promises about hanging about much but... *shrug*. I'm glad they didn't pick me. :P -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 08:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

::Congrats on the promotion! I'm sure you will be good for the community here, or at least better than I was becoming. Any progress would be progress which is what I wasn't doing, and I'm thankful to know things will be moving along without me. *sigh* And I still had so much to do! :D

::But yes, it's time for me to focus on other things so that I may hopefully come back to doing "this" thing, considering I did have quite the watch list (the whole wiki). I wish you the best to keep it together Macbeth, along with the rest of you. Be sure to contact me about any questions as to why the NeoDex was set up a certain should it come to that, because I know there are some kinks to it, though I do know there are reasons and sense to them (or it used to be that way). Other than that, fight on!

::P.S. I need to get me one of those level up thingies. The retro gamer in me demands it. :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Random Communication ==

Hi Macbeth. Just a prod to check your forum private messages. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 04:04, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
== Hi Macbeth ==
Is there a way to change your username other than creating a new account? Because I really want to change it to Destiny Charlotte or just Destiny because A Neezles A seems a bit... weird. [[User:A Neezles A|A Neezles A]] 04:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

:Discussion is now in [[User_talk:Dizzy|Dizzy talk page]]. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 08:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

What do you do in Neopets? --piano965 (Allan)
If nothing,why are you part of the NeoDex? --piano965 (Allan)

== [[Punchbag Sid]] ==

Oh well, that's the info from a petpage. Thanks for pointing it out ;) --[[User:A Neezles A|Des]][[User_talk:A Neezles A|tiny]] 22:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:OMG LYK THANK YOU!!! --[[User:A Neezles A|Des]][[User_talk:A Neezles A|tiny]] 22:34, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

::No problem :). Frankly, the people working on the neodex had a right to expect a lot more from me that what I offered, so it's the least I can do to show my appreciation for those who kept the work up even when I dropped the ball. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 22:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Ah, don't worry, us members will do the best we can for when the biggies are away. --[[User:A Neezles A|Des]][[User_talk:A Neezles A|tiny]] 22:42, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for the trust bestowed upon me :) I signed in and was like "woha, since when do I have patrol rights again?" Belated happy holidays to you :D --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 02:24, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Pinkgirl34

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Himmelsdemon: Congrats

== Pinkgirl! Pinkgirl! ==
You're... an admin... --[[User:A Neezles A|Des]][[User_talk:A Neezles A|tiny]] 15:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC) CONGRATULATIONS! :D
:Thanks! --[[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]] 15:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, you're welcome, I always wanted to be admin. --[[User:A Neezles A|Des]][[User_talk:A Neezles A|tiny]] 16:07, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Pinkgirl, now that you're admin, could you please protect moving my userpage? --[[User:A Neezles A|Des]][[User_talk:A Neezles A|tiny]] 16:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Sure thing. :) And maybe if you talk to him, he could promote you to an admin as well. Probably he promoted me first because my edits stood out a lot in the recent changes. --[[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]] 16:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Also, Do you want only autoconfirmed users to be allowed to edit your userpage as well? --[[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]] 16:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yes, those vandals usually move my page more than TEN times... and it gets really annoying. --[[User:A Neezles A|Des]][[User_talk:A Neezles A|tiny]] 16:13, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
:Congrats on the move to admin! We have one more warrior to help us battle the evil vandals ;) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 20:05, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. :) --[[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]] 20:47, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
:Congratulations. Now you get to use the coffee machine and stuff :D--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 13:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Jacob

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==Pet type categories==
Okay, sorry, I got the idea that we were supposed to make the categories singular and not plural, my mistake. '''--[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 09:33, 18 Jul 2006 (CDT)'''

==Proposed Change to Image Table==
So, we've been using this script for a while to link images from Neopets.

{|align=right
|http://images.neopets.com/items/toy_faerie_space.gif
|}

<nowiki>{|align=right</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|imagelinkhere</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|}</nowiki>
 
This has worked very well, and I have become a big supporter of linking from Neopets now that I've gotten used to it.

Now I'd like to present an idea of mine. I "dressed up" the table a little bit, so we can add a border to the image and maybe a little thumbnail description.

{|align=right style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; border: solid 1px #bbbbbb; padding: 1px"
|http://images.neopets.com/items/toy_faerie_space.gif
|-
|Fancy, eh?
|}

<nowiki>{|align=right style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; border: solid 1px #bbbbbb; padding: 1px"</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|imagelinkhere</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|-</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|Optional text.</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|}</nowiki>
 
I think it looks nice so I just thought I'd show you the script and stuff and see what you think. [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:51, 11 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:I like it. :) However, the image linking done for images is meant to be a temporary thing, as i was intending to upload the image linked images as wiki images. I just haven't haven't gotten around to it. :S I just use the image linking as a ways to find the best image possible to work for the article for a future image load. And this new table is very good for that. *thumbs up* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 11:02, 11 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Greetings from Yukio==
Hi there! I'm typing in what I think is a messaging feature :) Let's hope it works!--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 17:32, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

:it's working alright. ;) So...i'm the admin? is that right?--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:35, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

::Great! Got it down pat :) This WIKI thing is kinda addictive @_@ Of course :) Admin away Jacob, admin away ^_^ Would love to chat online when we get the chance. I'll reply to your email soonish.--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 17:56, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

:::ooking forward to hearing from you. thank a lot.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:58, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

Just wanted to drop in a line and say you're doing an amazing thing with the NeoDex :) Under your leadership, the NeoDex has totally grown expotentially and is becoming what everyone envisioned it to be :) Well done!--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 13:50, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

:Thank you very much. There is still so much to do of course, but all in due time...hopefully. :o Still don't know how to eidt and present the gaming articles. Mostly just focused on the plot/character/Neopet pages. Best get to thinking then.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:28, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

==Image Linking: Neopets vs. Internal==
So i was wondering...should we be focusing on making our own images to make the wiki colorful, or should we direct link to Neopets? I see all other fan sites doing it, and i'm wondering what is the opinion of everyone else on the matter. I'm fine working it either way, but would like to know how we would like to do it so we can work on it soon enough.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 07:34, 4 Mar 2006 (CST)

:i decided on this for the time being: images that can be linked directly from neopets if the are set inside constructed tables. internal images will be used whenever they are not, as i haven't yet found a way to move images directly linked to.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:27, 8 Mar 2006 (CST)

=="Karnik" Request==
Jacob, could you please delete the article [[Karnik]] from the Characters page? I can't do so for some reason and it's irritating me. Thanks. Also, is it allright if I add a page for Zafara Double Agent?

:thanks for noticing that. the proper redirect has fixed it. now to add that misspelling to the list... ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:47, 24 Apr 2006 (CDT)

==Reversion==
I thought I should mention that [[Neopets, The Website]] has been vanadlised, so is probably in need of a reversion. It's when I noticed this that I realised that I am not aware if a formal structure for reporting vandalised articles exist: could you clarify what we are meant to do? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:35, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

:ah! vandals! *attacks* well, reversing the effects of the vandalism is key, and stating that vandalism happened as well in the "summary". other than that, i don't know of any "formal structure" than that, along with me banning people along the way. --unsigned by [[User:Jacob|Jacob]] (opps!)

::What I mean is, what is an average member like myself meant to do about it? Do we leave you the vandal's name, rank and number and you ensure that they are 'no longer a problem', can we revert the page ourselves, or are we meant to wait for you, etc? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:33, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Members/IP Addresses who i haven't blocked/spoken with yet should be reported to me, and yes, and average members can reverse adverse effects on articles (highly encouraged). clicking previous revisions of an article in its "history" and then saving that edit replaces the current revision.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 14:43, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

==Anti-Neopian Article==
Propose locking of the Anti-Neopian article? As the is the encyclopaedia of Neopets, it would seem logically to include it in an objective way, but the nature of the article is that it likely to encourage vandalism - we do not want to turn the Neodex into one big discussion of issues that are not likely to be resolved. If there are any arguements that either side think should be added, they can always be put into the Talk page first, to maintain the objectiveness of the entry... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:20, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:<nowiki>*</nowiki>bows* good idea. will do so right now. Other than that, how do you feel about the current state of the article?--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:28, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

It makes me wonder how one can draw a connection between a childrens site about animated pets and devil-worship... ;). I think the arguments and counter arguments (and rebuttals) are presented fairly sucinctly. Although personally, I do wonder about a lot of Anti-neopian points, like how they came up with them... They seem somewhat random. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:42, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:If you look back through the history of the article, you can see the written connection between devil worship and Neopets dealt with Scientology as well. I'm guessing they are just trying to anger or excite people to reply violently, as a form of entertainment. we shall see.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:00, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

==Unspoken Rules==
I intend to expand on the Unspoken Rules section on give it a more encyclopaedic voice, but as it is one of the articles linked directly to from Help Contents page, I wanted to confirm with you whether I can do this first? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:31, 30 May 2006 (CDT)

:The help page in general needs a reworking. was going to try and see what i can do about it, looking over other help pages (wikipedia's in general) and the like and see what we need. what help you can offer would be good.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:44, 30 May 2006 (CDT)

==Article for Deletion==
The article [[Root Canal Champion]] originally just said "hi" I changed the text to what it currently is. --[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 21:33, 22 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:Root Canal Champion will not and should not be deleted. it should be filled with the proper data, as it is a term used on Neopets in reference to a trophy TNT members have on their user lookups. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:54, 23 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Proposal: Game Hints==
Post 68.142.54.193's modifictaion of the [[Extreme Herder]] page and [[Talk: Extreme Herder|talk page]], it has occured to me that there are a lot of game techniques which we could record, under a 'Tatics' heading, on the game pages, perhaps? Do we have your 'go' on this? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 15:45, 5 Aug 2006 (CDT)

:You have my "go" for that. Collected tactics and practices of games were going to be part of the NeoDex from the start i believe (along wit the history and such of course ;) ). --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:55, 5 Aug 2006 (CDT)

==Question: TCG links==
A lot of TCG links at the bottom of pages have just been left as [name], with no actual link (e.g. [Gormball]): are these meant to link to the image of the trading card, or to the little pop-up page one gets when one clicks on them on the TCG Checklist, or... ? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:32, 7 Aug 2006 (CDT)

:The TCG links (and NeoDeck links for that matter) are meant "to be filled", as i didn't feel like doing the work at the time to fill them out. yes, i was lazy. :D The proper links can be found in the examples of [[JubJub]]. For NeoDeck, it's the pop up description while viewing a users neodeck (or the spoiler page). For TCG cards, it's the when a user clicks the card on the checklist. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 11:39, 7 Aug 2006 (CDT)

==Neopets Ad Comic...Things==
You've probably noticed the 5 ([http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic1.swf 1], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic2.swf 2], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic3.swf 3], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic4.swf 4], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic5.swf 5]) new comic-style adverts that have been appearing on the site (they were mentioned in a [http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=255 recent editorial] too) - I was wondering if you had any idea what we could call them for an article. I'm stumped: 'comics' is too much like the section in the neopian times, they aren't really 'ads'... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:39, 4 Sep 2006 (CDT)

:Put it in the [[Neopets]] article, under a "banner ads" section...or something like that. seeing as banner ads are a big thing on the website, don't see why can't there be a fill section on everything about them, dealing with their contect and their history. and yes, these ARE ads, as they are on the banner ads section. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:54, 4 Sep 2006 (CDT)

==Staff Page Editing==
Ahh that looks much better. Thanks Jacob! (Yukio) --[[User:58.165.59.30|58.165.59.30]] 18:31, 10 Oct 2006 (CDT)

==Non-Neopets created pages==
Hi Jacob, this article has unnecessary links in it that are non-neopets related such as linking to staff members at the fansite. Reccomended for removing the links. Furthermore, someone created actual pages for the staff members which I also vote for deletion. http://www.pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php/TheDailyNeopets

==Admin + Disambiguation==
Hey there, who do you contact to get admin powers? Also, how do you create disambiguation pages on this neopedia? Id like to make one for the wheels im editing at the moment. Thanks. --[[User:Lewisg|Lewisg]] 08:29, 8 Nov 2006 (CST)

:As i am the head admin of the neodex, i'm the one to contact about being an administrator. And creating a disambiguation page is just like creating a normal page, which links to all the other articles which have "disambiguaty", and link to the [[:Category: Disambiguation |Disambiguation category]]. Look in their for examples of them. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:54, 8 Nov 2006 (CST)

==Current Events==
Its the 17th and we still have the October calender >_> [[User:82.27.224.85|82.27.224.85]] 13:23, 17 Nov 2006 (CST)

:wow. thank you for pointing that out. :D no, we are in November now, as the dates in the "calender box" show. i just forgot to change the month title. Again, thank you. *thumbs up* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 18:10, 17 Nov 2006 (CST)

== Taking the Next Step ==
Hola Jacob :) Now that NeoDex has a decent amount of articles, and in light of your recent news post, I think NeoDex is ready to take the next step, but this is of course whether you're comfortable with it :) I think it's a great time now to start "invading" the Neopets community by opening up affiliation opportunities with NeoDex itself. I've started doing that with http://www.pinkpt.com/neopool What do you think? --[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 19:56, 18 Nov 2006 (CST)

:I'm a little confused by the affiliations you speak of, as you make it sound like the NeoDex and Neopool are seperate from PinkPT, when in fact they are sections and departments of the same area. Wouldn't it be simpler to have all affiliations be with PinkPT itself? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 22:06, 18 Nov 2006 (CST)

::Yep that already occurs, but allowing section affiliation (essentially sections that are large enough to be identified as their own stand-alone site) allows added exposure for not only PPT has a whole, but also that section itself. Your call. --[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 22:54, 18 Nov 2006 (CST)

==Banning?==
Understand that I do not wish to undermine you for a moment, but taking into account what you posted as news on PinkPT recently about whether some editors of the Neodex had been banned through ignorance rather than malicious intent, don't you think giving someone 20,000 hours for adding a emoticon to an article to be something of an overkill? Especially when someone who added a advertising image got only 24...? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:04, 10 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Touche. You are right on that. I'm pretty random with the bannings, aren't i? What would you reccomend? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:36, 10 Dec 2006 (CST)

Well, we really should sort out some sort of vandalism scale, with suggested hours for each level of vandalism noted, rising for repeat offenders within a range of hours per crime. Probably as part of [[Neodex:Banning]]...Let me see what I can come up with... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:28, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

:It's easy to spot vandalizers. people who just post smileys or say "hi" are part of it, though they may be unintentional, and "seeing for themselves" if they can REALLY type in whatever they want and show it to the world. so i guess people who do things like that should at least receive some warning instead of complete banning (unless, of course, they do it to several pages, and should really know better). next higher offender would be those who upload content for the purpose of advertizing their account. the worst offenders are those who place malicious or abhorent material on articles (spam links, or random wiki code with no data in them). So i suppose a system could be written around those levels, yes?

:out of curiousity, would you think it proper to look through all the currently blocked IPs in reguards to this, and unblock a few? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:37, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

::I took the initiative and looked through all the blocked IPs, taking mercy on a few of them (and cross referencing with the Wikipedia list of IPs as well, just to be sure). I think the remainder of the IPs on our list are questionable in what they have given enough to keep them there...i think. *ponders* again, you can have a look to see. As always, an ongoing process. let's hope for the best. *salute* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 00:35, 28 Dec 2006 (CST)

I noticed you seem to increase the expiry time for vandals posting vulgar links from time to time. I just don't understand the sense of it. As the IPs nor the posted links are never the same, this won't prevent further spamming. I'm not against your time regulations, I just don't see the sense. Mind to explain?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 08:21, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)

:I'm random. That's basically the whole summary of it all. :D Plus i do think the IPs are all connected, as the neoboard talk page has been a large target as of late, with the offender(s) possibly having several different IPs in place. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 18:29, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)

==HTML-wiki-converter==
I just didn't know who to speak with so I speak with you. Your user page says that you know a bit HTML. Do you know the [http://diberri.dyndns.org/wikipedia/html2wiki/index.html HTML-wiki-converter?] I thought it might be helpful. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 13:12, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Thank you for the link. this is a very helpful teaching tool. It can allow those who understand html to understand wiki markup better (and vice versa), and allow faster conversion of data. while looking into this, i found [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Tools/Editing tools|other helpful tools]] as well. Lots of things to look into. Again, thank you. *bows* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 14:55, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

==Your edit to Galem==
I do not get the edit to Galem. You said it was "vulgar" what was that? Also, it looked like Galem lost his heart to me, look closely at the silliouette. --Unsigned by 66.63.86.156 00:55, 12 Dec 2006

:It's nothing more than the artists whim, similar to the switching of the jaw colour with Darigan. Also, Neopets would never visibly show something like that to users, especially when the image is right there in fron of us. Seriously, why would the TNT show that to a mostly younger crowd? They wouldn't. exactly. you can look into it all you want, but that didn't and couldn't happen. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 19:29, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

::His death seems that was to me. [[User:66.63.86.156|66.63.86.156]] 13:45, 12 Dec 2006 (CST)

==Red "!"==
Hey there Jacob. What does the Red "!" on the Recent updates page mean? Ive never seen them on another wiki before lol. --[[User:Lew|Lew]] 18:01, 13 Dec 2006 (CST)

:It shows whenever any edit to a page occurs. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:20, 13 Dec 2006 (CST)

::It depends on the preferences of the wiki. In some wikis, only sysops are able to see them. You can klick the "diff" link of the edit and mark it as patrolled meaning that the difference was checked by somebody. This will remove the red "!". The question is, is it useful to make the feature available to all users? --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 10:04, 14 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Oh. I can't say I've noticed. I usually go through all the edits on the Recent Changes page to check they are all valid, patrolled or not... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:39, 14 Dec 2006 (CST)

I've begun to take addvantage of this feature and patrol the articles as per my duties as admin (or should at least be my duties). This will signify that a user has looked over the data and has seen it and another user doesn't need to look it over (they still can of course). Having this be a sysop exclusive would be much better too. *ponders* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:05, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

==Site protection==
I noticed that in the discussion about Galgarroth you said that you will suspend everybody who claims Galgarroth is dead for a while. Don't you have the possibility to "protect" an article/make it editable only by registred members or sysops? I think the link should look like [http://www.pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Galgarroth&action=protect this].--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 03:30, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

:I just found [[NeoDex:Protected page]]. I really shouldn't tell a sysop what he can do on a wiki. A big sorry for that. :( --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 08:33, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

Not wishing to hijack this question from Jacob, but should edits to the Galgarroth article that contravene the discussion continue, the page may be protected in addition to a temporary suspension, yes.

And we are all editors, suggestions are always welcome. :). --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:59, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

:It's really alright Himmelsdemon. :D Macbeth is right though, that we may need to protect the article should edits continue as they were, even though i would like to leave the article open for all users to edit, as it really isn't a very large or controversial character like Lord Darigan/Dr. Frank Sloth/Fyora (and i do worry about those articles should disputes arise :o ). But it will be done should it occur. will hope it will never have to come to that. *fingers crossed* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:13, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

::Well, now I have to officially ask you to make [[NeoBoard]] editable for registered users only. It drives me mad. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:11, 9 Jan 2007 (CST)

==User Page Protection==
Would you like to put the '''<nowiki>{{protected}}</nowiki>''' template on your user page? I won't do it myself as, well, it's up to you if you want it, as it is not a mainspace article. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:32, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)

:I think the template would make the page look a little off, so i'm fine with just having it be protected and not have it be notified as such with template.

==Coding update==
I saw at [[Talk:Jelly World]] that there will be an update for the wiki. May I ask what exactly is planned?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 07:11, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

:I talked to Yukio about it, and said he would contact the proper people about it. Will hopefully hear something more soon. perhaps we could include your idea? *points to topic below*

==Protecting Talk Pages==
We can't start protected talk pages, vandalism or not. They are designed specifically to remain unprotected so that the contents of the article, whether protected or otherwise, can be discussed... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:16, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

:Well, maybe the whole load of Neodex/index.phtml or whatever should be deleted and we would look what happens. (Just adding it as you reminded me of this, Macbeth). Maybe the wiki could be coded so that we can protect the page from editing by IPs, but not from editing by registered users? *pokes comment above* --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:03, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

You are right Macbeth, in that we can't protect talk pages. A goof by me on my part, and i'll make sure all talk pages hence forth remain free of protection. Though i do have to admit the spamming infuriates me...and i'm sure i'm not the only one. But again, no more protecting them. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:05, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

Himmelsdemon? That's a wonderful idea. Having only registered users being able to edit articles would totally eliminate the problem with spamming IPs, allowing us to overview and control what goes into the NeoDex easier. It would then force everyone to log in of course, and i think spammers would then just create accounts to spam with, but it least it would be easier to maintain the integrity of the NeoDex. Perhaps this could be included in the updating to take place? *points to topic above* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:05, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

Well, I think I expressed a bit wrong what I meant. The idea was to be able to protect pages so that only registered users are able to edit them, not making the wiki "IP-free". We had this before on our German wiki, but I think this made the wiki less attractive to writers. People seem to be somewhat...afraid of logging in into new pages.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 11:40, 1 Mar 2007 (CST)
:And yet willing to edit and display an IP address... Heh. Wikipedia does have a semi-protection system to block unregistered users editing certain pages. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:23, 2 Mar 2007 (CST)

==Spam protection==
In reference to the above: I also recently found [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features this]. Any way it could be used in the wiki filtering codes like <a href=... and [url]?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 01:59, 11 Mar 2007 (CST)

:Those are some nice features which could be used, and i really like the idea of the "SpamBlacklist extension" and "ConfirmEdit extension". SpamBlacklist extension could currently be used, but we will still need to update the wiki to use ConfirmEdit extension. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 09:59, 11 Mar 2007 (CST)

The spam problem is really getting out of hand now... It's crazy! I just hope it's due to weekends, and not due to automated script. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] 03:07, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

::You are right...it is crazy. The ammount of spamming which is going on seems to be growing as well. I sure hope my words of updating are being taken seriously, as we can't really do our job of proper editing when we keep having to correct the "errors" of others. :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 09:33, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

By the way, when you happen to have free time, could you go through [[Special:Listusers]] and delete some users completely from the database? Some of the names are just inappropriate.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:06, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

===Relevant PHP-code===
There should be a file called LocalSettings.php somewhere on the webspace. That is the file which defines all the relevant things regarding the wiki. These lines need to be inserted into the code:
<pre># Disable anonymous editing
$wgWhitelistEdit = true;</pre>
because this is the Mediawiki-version 1.4.7 (I checked at [[Special:Version]]). Anyway, it seems so be even easier than I thought (unless the PHP is stored somewhere else).
Informations are taken from [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_editing_of_all_pages Mediawiki manual].--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 10:09, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:I think I can see where to shove that in ;). Question is, do we really want to disable anonymous editing? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:51, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

::Unless there is a way we could upgrade to Mediawiki version 1.5 (or above) without losing all the content, this is the only way for now to get rid of the spam. I also hope that, when the spammers realize they cant edit any pages, they will refrain from trying to do so in the future. We could remove the protection after a certain time.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 14:16, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:Something needs to be done. Urgently. There are bots that post links to sites that contain, let me say this straight away, adult content (I just blocked one such bot for 10 years). I know this sounds pathetic, but please think of the children. I think all the bots damage Neodex a lot far more than the unability for anonymous users to edit would do. If you really know what to do, Macbeth, this definitely needs to be done. Apologies to Jacob for using this site for such discussions.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:46, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

::You need not worry Demon. I understand the urgency of the situation, and i'm quite tired of all the bots myself. On a side note, do you think it would be best to delete all previous edits of the talk page once this coding has been implemented (i.e. delete and recreate the article), so no one has see see the "edit summary" of the bots? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 00:38, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

:::I think it is a good idea.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 08:55, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

::::Bad idea: we would lose the 'valid' page history. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:58, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::Uhm, I thought, Jacob was referring to deleting the article and restoring only the harmless versions.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 13:23, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

The method i would use: I would save the "clean" version of the talk pages (which have not been used for anything except vandalism and letting people know about it to begin with), and delete the talk page. would then recreate it with the clean talk page. all the revisions would still be saved for us admins to look over (deleted as they are), and the new history would be clean slate. I think it's better than having over 250 revisions of xanax and other spammed edit summaries confusing people...yes, there have been over 250 vandalisms on the armada page. :(

:I just uploaded this coding into the local settings file...seems to work. :S Will know soon enough how this all turns out. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:33, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

::I think it is safe to say anon. editing blocking has worked wondrously. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 15:31, 15 Jun 2007 (UTC)

:::It worked for awhile at least. Now accounts are just being created to spam. Great. :( In either case, another measure can be made for this, such as [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEmailAuthentication email authentication]...though the coding of the wiki would need to be updraged first. And should that be done, we can then use others things such as [[wikipedia:CAPTCHA|CAPTCHA]] and blacklists to stop the vandalism if even authentication isn't enough. Mind you, vandalism can never be fully stopped, as there is nothing stopping any random editor from creating an account normally and causing destruction...but we can at least stop bots and make a system difficult for them to manipulate. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:27, 19 Jun 2007 (UTC)
::::Yeah. CAPTCHA ''can'' be implemented with MediaWiki, I am quite positive. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 18:16, 19 Jun 2007 (UTC)

==Games Category==
Jacob, I added the category:games stuff to Snowmuncher and Jelly Blobs, because without them they don't show up on the main Games page (the one linked from the Main Page), which seems pretty undesirable to me. Is there a reason *not* to have them? Other games have both the category and subcategory. [[User:Belltower|Belltower]] 10:06, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:In my opinion, if we are still following the [[NeoDex:Categorization|categorization rules]], we should remove the games category from all existing games on Neodex (except those which is impossible to have a sub-category). Unless we are going to use the games category page as a games index page, it's rather pointless to categorize a game as an "action game" and "game" at the same time... --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] 11:03, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

::Since the [[Main Page]] links to the [[:Category: Games]] page, I'd say there either should be a redesign where it links to a different games page, or items should get the above category. Personally, I like having a master list. Plenty of Neopets games have elements of more than one category, so if I'm searching for a game whose name or spelling I've forgotten, I'd rather not have to guess whether it's a puzzle game or an action game. On the other hand, I can see a strong counter-argument: sponsor games of a limited lifetime would clog up such a list in a hurry. --[[User:Belltower|Belltower]] 11:46, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Yes, we ''are'' following the [[NeoDex:Categorization|categorization rules]] set. Individual games will not be labelled with the "Games" category, but all the sub-categories (action, puzzle, etc.) of game types it belongs to ([[Scourge of the Lab Jellies]] is a "board game" and "puzzle"). Only if there is no sub-category for it to go in should a game be placed in the games category. Game articles which already have the games category attached to them are that way because they haven't been taken off yet.

if you are looking for a certain game you've forgotten the title of and don't want to guess which sub-category of gaming it belongs to (which ''will'' show up on the games category), you can use the search box on the left hand side to help you (for more information, see [[NeoDex:Searching]]). misspelled titles (those found) will usually redirect to the proper article, and [[:Category:Disambiguation|Disambiguation]] articles will help as well. and yes, it's realized sponsor game articles would clog up the subcategory lists, and that is wy they have [[:Category:Sponsored Games|their own category]]. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:35, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:Perhaps the [[Main Page]] should link to [[Games]] then, and not [[:Category: Games]]? --[[User:Belltower|Belltower]] 17:04, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

::Updating of the front page will come soon, though i'm hesitant to having it link to the games room. the games room focuses only on games found there, and there are many other games. At least this is what comes to my mind when i think of it, and this may not be the case when i looked at indepth. All the same, thank you for bringing this to attention, and hope to update the frontpage accordingly very soon. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:12, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

==Neodex Policies (and other stories...)==
Contemplating the recent revamp into the help section, it occurs to me that perhaps the Neodex could benefit from a [[Neodex:Criteria for inclusion|Criteria for inclusion]], a la [[Wikipedia:WP:NOT|What Wikipedia is not]]... A lot of it will be similar to the Wikipedia article on the topic, but there would be some key differences - e.g., no biographies of actual users excepting staff members... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:46, 27 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:(Of course, we also have the [[Neodex:Policy|Policy]] page, which sort of equates to the Wikipedia's five pillars. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:52, 27 Apr 2007 (CDT))

::thank you for the word. this does sound like a good idea, and where to have the information...i don't really know. :( Will need to discuss, think, and rashly edit to see what works i guess. On what articles aren't allowed, i recently deleted articles about a series of toons in the Neopian Times, due to the creator not showing any big relevence to neopets (plus it doesn't seem proper to have such an article). While that's an easier thing to decide on, articles speaking of certain users may be another. Some users are very notable (such as featheralley), and users may want to have an article on the user. But i don't think it would be proper all the same, so perhaps it would be good to lay out the "no user article" rule. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 09:33, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:::Indeed. I recall recently that some added ''Majal_kita'' to the list of famous Jetsams... I think it would be best not to include users outside of TNT and actual Neopets due to the double standards that will inevitably occur due to notability. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:58, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

==HI JAKE==
hi, um, do you know what type of faerie Fyora is? --unsigned by 71.92.99.181 (Tara) 03:43, 5 May 2007

:[[Fyora]] is the ''Faerie Queen''. :P I don't think she falls under any one alignment, and is capable of all forms of magic (some other special faeries have shown this power as well). To discuss Fyora further, you can use her articles talk page. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:16, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

==Petpetpet article==
Since you mentioned that there were 7 original [[petpetpet]]s ([[Vernax]] article), do you happen to know which petpetpets belong to that group? I'm assuming /petpetpet1.gif - /petpetpet4.gif, but what are the other 3? It seems unlikely that /petpetpet5.gif and /petpetpet6.gif ever were released at all. [[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 14:21, 10 Jun 2007 (UTC)

:You can read about the 7 petpetpets from the mouth of The Neopets Team itself in [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=102 editorial 102]...they are named as well. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 14:31, 10 Jun 2007 (UTC)

==Petpet==
[http://www.neopets.com/~100bottles]. Yes, I will eventually (when both university and my little CC-project do not require my attention anymore) edit those articles and add pictures of the Petpets' previous incarnations, as well as adding more article-worthy text. Until then, here's your proof and you'll just have to trust me. As for editing my old post, I din't think it would harm anyone considering no one had replied yet. [[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 15:24, 18 Jun 2007 (UTC)

==Disco Pets?==
I wasn't sure who to ask about this, but I was wondering why there isn't a page on the color disco. Since it's a color for both neopets and petpets and also featured in many items, I think this should be a page. --Unsigned by Lombre459 17:44, 27 Jun 2007

:Thank you for bringing this to my attention. ;) While Neopets, Petpets and items can all share certain themes, having an article about a each of the themes really doesn't make sense. Can you imagine an article about "Red", and the fact neopets/petpets can be coloured that way, and all red items shared? Seems a little silly, doesn't it? :S

:However, "Disco" is one of those colours which may be notable. besides showing the eccentric content TNT creates, some of the colours also give Neopets clothing for the Neopets customisation feature (at least i think this is right). Having it as an article is something of discussion, which i'm willing to have. *opens up ears*

:For future notices and questions, you can also visit the [[NeoDex talk:Community Portal|Community Portal discussion]], where you can address the community rather than a particular editor. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:14, 27 Jun 2007 (UTC)

I think this may be one of the more notable colors. I think it may be one which deserves a page.--[[User:Lombre459|Lombre459]] 03:42, 28 Jun 2007 (UTC)

::Mmm. I think it is notable enough for an article, also. You are welcome to create one, Lombre459 :¬). --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:11, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)

==Under Construction==
Just wondering what the Construction template on [[The Great Desert Race]] was for. --[[User:Hespitinmysoup|Hespitinmysoup]] 04:22, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:For one (and most important), the article didn't have the gaming template on it which should be placed on all game articles which apply. Also, I thought a more detailed and structured outline of the game and game mechanics was needed (and no, i didn't mean take out the "The Game" section). For examples of good game articles, see [[Web of Vernax]] and [[Faerie Bubbles]]. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:55, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)
::kk, I modeled it after [[Eye of the Storm]] sorry, thought that was the par for a decent article. {{sign|Hespitinmysoup}}

==Battledome Equipment articles==
I'm just putting down basic information. There are a lot of things that are still missing and I was just working on filling in the blanks before making them "notable" --Unsigned by Daeron 22:50, 3 Jul 2007

:I can understand where you're coming from. I used to spend quite a bit of my time on wikipedia. I noticed that there was no format for such a thing and I figured I'd use my experience to start one. May I ask why I should look at the template? --Unsigned by Daeron 23:07, 3 Jul 2007

::The way you are currently using the template doesn't seem right. I haven't looked at all the articles you've used it for yet, but you mentioned it as "attack: 2", when i'm sure it's more than that, ESPECIALLY with the faerie alignment each battledome equipment uses.

::Why are you moving the conversation to my talk page when I started it on yours? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:14, 3 Jul 2007 (UTC)

==HTML Help==
I need help, when I do not add the page to my favourites it adds, and you know the bar that says the url of the page you are in, and when i type, (i.e. www.p), and it says pinkpt.com, how do i get rid of it? --AchyfiLover

:If you ''start'' a discussion on YOUR talk page, DO NOT continue it on mine. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:34, 8 Aug 2007 (UTC)

==Adding Items==
In the big picture, is there going to be a wiki article for each item? {{sign|Jocelyn}}

:No, as has been stated in a few articles and other discussion (see [[Talk:Main Page]], [[NeoDex talk:Community Portal]], [[Template talk:BattleItem]], [[User talk:Daeron]], and the recently created [[Talk:Ummagine]] for more examples...I know there are more across the NeoDex somewhere). To make an article about ''every'' item would be crazy. Can you imagine an article about "Bread", which is an item on Neopets? What articles to include should always be discussed before creating (use the [[NeoDex talk:Community Portal]] or an [[NeoDex:Administrators|admins]] talk page for this). --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:42, 14 Aug 2007 (UTC)

::On this note, we should write a criteria for inclusion... :/ --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 22:32, 14 Aug 2007 (UTC)

==Wiki Image==
Maybe a bit of a silly question, but what is a "wiki image". You put the banner at the [[Mibblie]] article back up requesting for a wiki image, even though the article already has an image. Is it prefered to use uploaded files to illustrate articles? [[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 20:17, 18 Aug 2007 (UTC)

:Wiki image refers to an internal image in the NeoDex database. The image there was an external link, aka pulled from the Neopets database. For more information, see [[Help:Images]]. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 03:19, 19 Aug 2007 (UTC)

==Wondering==
Can one change the name of an image file? -[[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 08:30, 19 Sep 2007 (UTC)

:I believe you are referring to the current [[Vaeolus]] image, right? The answer is no. If a new title is desired for any image, it must be reuploaded with a different title. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:50, 19 Sep 2007 (UTC)

==Staff Page Clean==
Hey Jacob! I was looking at the staff page, updating bits here and there, and was wondering if you could perhaps look at cleaning it up given your experience with coding at WIKI? More specifically, the retired staff members list is starting to overwhelm the active staff lists page. Hmmm what do you think can be done? --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 23:22, 28 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:Will see what can be done. Will probably throw in a wiki table to make it more compact. And just so you know, I think it would be good to explain your removal of previous show hosts and other staff members, because they aren't even in the retired section. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:18, 29 Oct 2007 (UTC)

::Ta. Once the structure is in, I can play around with the listings a bit more. I asked you because you were familiar with how to code things here. Hosts were removed because the show doesn't really operate on a permanent host basis... we have changing guest hosts every episode so to have them in as "staff" would be inaccurate. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 04:51, 30 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:::I guess that makes sense. Should a list of all past hosts be made all the same? Like on the main PPT Show article which isn't created yet, along with other PPT material? In either case, will do what I can for the [[PinkPT Staff]] page. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:57, 30 Oct 2007 (UTC)

==Sorry for the little trouble==
I'm sorry,so sorry,not explaining well,but I'm just a newbie,and also sorry for not answering on days! I was busy on AC 3 {{sign|Andycortez221}}

==I just can't seem to win==
Yet another setback in my life which is going to delay the NeoDex even further: my computer is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATfkpEV-LGk out of commision]. A lot of my work (personal work at least) and plans were set around the computer, so I'm at a loss as to where to go from here. Will be reviewing my repair options, and how I can hopefully continue to maintain a presence online. Even though I'm pretty much going to be gone. Just when I happened to get a hang of thing, ''this'' happens to me. I can't seem to get a break, you know? :(

Anyway, just wanted to let you all know the situation. Will hopefully get things worked out soon... *sigh* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 22:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
:<nowiki>:</nowiki>( Hope things sort themselves out soon. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 03:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Still don't have a computer of my own, though I may get one within the next month if I decide to follow a certain path. Will find out soon. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 07:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

==Correction to the PinkPT Staff Page==
On the PinkPT Staff Page, under PPT Main, for Paid Newsposters, Nevitec and Siouxper are the same person ;) I didn't know where I should contact you, so I figured I'd try here :P

Siouxper 20:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know. Will let Yukio/Kym know, since that's his department. If not, he knows someone who will look into it. :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for the update guys. I've made the correction.--[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 11:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

==Offer of help==
Jacob: Hello! My name is Ashleigh! If you need any help around the site let me know! I am a great graphics and HTML/CSS/XHTML master. xD Great work! -Ashleigh 1:09; 30 Aug 2008 (EST)

:Feel free to edit the NeoDex. That's what it's there for. :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 07:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

==Logo==
Umm hey Jacob. Are you ever going to change the logo at the top left corner back to the regular one? because it is showing the logo from Halloween. {{sign|69.211.56.15‎}}

:I actually have no power to change it, nor did I really know such a change occurred until a couple of weeks ago (didn't manage to log in till now). On it being changed... *shrugs* U suppose some words could be said. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 10:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
==Templates?==
Hi Jacob. I hope you don't mind my asking but is it OK for a regular user to create a template? {{sign|72.94.165.145}}

Will you please answer my question? Because I have a template in mind that I would like to create, but I think I might need your go-ahead to do it. {{sign|72.94.165.145}}

:Any user is free to create and edit any page or template...within reason of course. Everything brought forth will be overseen by the other admin and regular users, and it will be debated if it's worthwhile, worthless, or could be done better via another method. Thus is the process of wiki. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 07:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! {{sign|72.94.165.145}}

===)==
Great to have your support, Jacob :). You should drop by every so often, check up on how your brain child is growing - you know, don't be a stranger! =P

Hope all's okay with you, and I hope you can get back to the Neodex some day in the future - to paraphrase ''[[wikipedia:Mostly Harmless|Mostly Harmless]]'', I think the official line is that you're just on some very extended, ill-defined lunch break ^^;. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 14:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

:Don't forget your towel! --[[User:Freefalldreams|Freefalldreams]] 02:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

::Never forget a towel! :D --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Welcome back Jacob! :D [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 20:21, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Not really "back", as I just came in to see how things were after awhile...and it would seem things have gone bust. In the last few days no doubt. I thought I'd stop in and try a few things, though it seems I've lost my admin permissions. Sure, I wasn't around for awhile, but I didn't think ''that'' would occur. Granted it doesn't stop me from trying some things, but...oh well. I take it you've had your hands full (understatement that it is)? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Sorry about that. Since we won't know who exactly is the person logging back into an inactive account, it's better to remove the sysop and bruracrat status until the identity is confirm. I can request Kym to re-instate your sysop status, and perhaps your bruracrat status as well if you like. ;) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 02:02, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::I had no idea I was ''inactive''...though I suppose if you openly state you're going to be away for awhile, I guess that's a good reason to assume as much. ;)

==Snorkle mix-up==
Seems that the vandal moved the Snorkle page to 'Snorkel'. I've returned the article and the talk page now :) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 01:59, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

:I have returned the Roo Island article as well. I hope this is the last article with deleted data. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 02:10, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

::No way to find out for sure until we discover missing links or review the entire edit list of those "users". I wouldn't recommend the later, as I'm sure it's quite large. :o --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:08, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Just a reminder-- the vandal's IP will be unblocked today. Beware... [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 14:50, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I hope he's found a new hobby after his IP has been blocked. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pink]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|girl]][[User:Pinkgirl34/NQII Walkthrough|34]] 02:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::He didn't. He is back. Dizzy forgot to block: [[User:SzAy88]] [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 15:02, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::To be fair, blocking will only stop so much, since another account could just be created. Then there's the fact I don't think this is a person, but a bot. Kinda has to be, considering the work that was done. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 05:26, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Jacob, I'm sending you a private message on the Pinkpt forum. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 13:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

==Ohai!==
I don't think we have spoken to each other since you are back (if we did, forgive my old brain :)) Just wanted to say hi and that it is good to see your face on here again.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:42, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Greetings to you as well. All is well in the world. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

==Neodex Stats==
Since you've left a message saying that there are other ways to obtain the statistics, I'm wondering, what are the other ways? Is it on the Neodex website itself or is it somewhere else? And by the way, I am doing this for research, becuase I'm interested in the history and statistics for the NeoDex members. I can remove it if I receive complaints about it. Also, since you're a former sysop, do you mind if I ask you an important question? I'm wondering what is a good way to contact a bureaucrat for this website, because I would like to make a request for being a sysop. Thanks, --[[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]] 20:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

:My reference to there being "other ways" refers to the fact you collected the data in some means already available. And I believe I've already answered somewhere else about becoming a sysop/admin. All a matter if you are deemed acceptable by the current administration...and not if you can contact a bureaucrat or not. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

::But I'm uncertain about what is the current administration works since I don't see this posted on this website. Perhaps it is posted somewhere on the PPT website? This is the only part of the PPT website that I visit so I'm uncertain and that's why I'd like to clarify it. --[[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]] 01:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:::If you have questions and concerns with the current admin, bring it to them. If it's about being an admin, it will be discussed among them, and they will let you know. Again, I'm not part of the admin ring, so please don't think that what I'm saying counts for anything. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:26, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it's just me, but I never asked to be admin. I came to the site, wrote articles, added information and did it well. I got the rights by proving that I was capable, and I was listed on the notable editors page before I got admin. Be patient. It was a year before I was made admin, you've only been "actively editing" for a month. Write articles, add information and do it well. Stop bugging people to be made admin. Personally, I find it quite annoying. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 14:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, I didn't mean to be bothering you people all the time. I'm new, I'm curious, and I just wanted to find the answers to these questions because I'm curious and would like to learn about the requirements since they're not posted anywhere on the site. I continuously asked the questions, but that's only because I didn't receive a response for my question, because I wanted to get full answers. Now I've got all the answers all I need, so that's all. --[[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]] 15:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

== Sysop again ==

You are back :D *clap* --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 13:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

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==Community Portal Lists==
===Completed Goals===
The following are goals which were completed on the NeoDex.

*'''Article Goal (200)''' - 200 articles, our first milestone!
**''? - ? - It's unknown when this goal was reached, but it happened sometime within the first few months of the creation of the NeoDex.''
*'''Neopets List''' - Filling out the list of Neopets and having all wiki links work with it.
**''March 3, 2006 - March 6, 2006 - Creating an article for every neopet, and users can find/edit them from the <s>Pet types</s> category to which they all are linked to.''
*'''Neopia''' - Filling out the world of [[Neopia]] and making all wiki links work with it.
**''March 3, 2006 - March 7, 2006 - Created the proper named pages, redirecting to the proper worlds in each, and the correctly spelled ones as well, as there were many seperate pages telling information about the same world, when they could be just one.''
*'''Games''' - Making the [[:Category: Games|Games]] category the official section, and taking down all other game pages
**''March 6, 2006 - March 10, 2006 - Moved all seperate gaming pages into one section, and made article copies of same article topic into one article.''
*'''Article Goal (1000)''' - 1000 Articles before the Neodex's first Birthday!
**''July 3, 2006 - July 11, 2006''
*'''Gaming Revamp''' - On November 21, 2006, Neopets redesigned the game room, requiring the NeoDex to add new gaming categories and other information. Time to get our game on! HUZZAH!
**''November 22, 2006 - December 14, 2006''
*'''"To Do List" to "Construction List"''' - On September 27, 2006, an effort to make the [[:Category:Under Construction|Construction]] list to be the official "To Do List" began. All articles linked to the original were to be altered to link to the new list, after which the original would be deleted.
**''September 27, 2006 - January 25, 2007''
*'''Disambiguation''' - A [[:Template:disambig|template]] was created for [[:Category:Disambiguation|Disambiguation]] articles on March 11, 2007. We need to mark ''all'' of the articles with it at the bottom of the page, replacing the category coding.
**''March 11, 2007 - March 12, 2007''
*'''Help Section''' - [[User:Jacob|Jacob]] and [[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] are currently working on expanding and revamping the NeoDex [[Help:Contents|help]] section. Suggestions can be added to relevant talk pages.
**''January 10, 2007 - April 13, 2007''
*'''Altador Cup 2006''' - There has been a rumor about a new [[Altador Cup]] starting this June. Before this comes about, as much data as possible should be gathered about the previous year, because it's quite possible the old data will disappear when the new one begins. Hurry!
**''April 18, 2007 - May 21, 2007 - Should the 2007 season follow the same format of 2006, it can be easily integrated with the completed 2006 data. If not...At least it has been completed. ;)''
*'''A "Secrets" Category?''' - Why do we need a "secrets" category when all articles are supposed to have secrets in them to begin with? Help fix articles which are linked to this redundant category for its future deletion.
**''May 10, 2007 - May 25, 2007''
*'''It's "NeoQuest", not "Neoquest"''' - There are 2 categories which have misspelled "NeoQuest": <s>Neoquest</s> and <s>Neoquest II</s>. The proper categories should be [[:Category:NeoQuest I|NeoQuest I]] and [[:Category:NeoQuest II|NeoQuest II]]. All articles linking to the wrong categories should be fixed, and when both misspelled categories are cleared, they will be deleted.
**''June 20, 2007 - June 22, 2007''
*'''PPL Category = Redundant!''' - It was [[Category talk:Petpets|recently found]] the <s>Petpet Protection League</s> category is redundant, and should be deleted. Before deletion can occur, all articles within the category need to be edited, severing any connection they have with the category (this also includes talk pages, whose wiki links can simple be <s>struck</s> through).
**''August 15, 2007 - August 16, 2007''
*'''Misspellings 101''' - There are over 150 misspellings in the NeoDex. Let's try to lower them to under 50!
**''April 14, 2007 - August 23, 2007''
*'''Proper Neopet Category''' - It was decided the <s>Pet types</s> was an improper name for Neopets, and that [[:Category:Neopet Species|Neopet Species]] would be better. Once All articles linked to "Pet types" are linked to "Neopets Species", it shall be deleted.
**''September 8, 2007 - October 14, 2007''
*'''"Characters" Category Clean-Up''' - The [[:Category:Characters|Characters]] category has over 200 articles linked to it! In order to make it more easily navigated, we need to link them to more appropriate sub-categories (where it applies). The easiest way to do this it to label the characters as either a [[:Category:Heroes|Hero]] or [[:Category:Villains|Villain]] (or both if it applies). The goal is to get as close to 150 articles in "Characters" as we can.
**''August 28, 2007 - October 26, 2007''
*'''No Such Thing As Spoilers''' - In the past, it was once deemed necessary to label plots as containing spoilers in any wiki if they spoiled something for the reader. However, this has sense changed, and the placing of a spoiler tag on articles is now frowned upon...but the NeoDex still has one!!! We need to remove all tags from articles which have them, then we can delete the template, which has become a relic of a world long forgotten.
**''January 31, 2008 - February 11, 2008''

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==Content off Wikipedia==
As a preventive measure: there is content that was copied from Wikipedia, such as [[Neopets, The Website]], but they need to be brought into line with the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL GFDL] license, which says that the content needs to be attributed to the writers. (I'm not sure, but perhaps just linking to the Wikipedia article and saying that some content was "taken from" or "based on" it would be enough?) Thanks. [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] 16:33, 2 Apr 2006 (CDT)

:*bows* thank you for bringing this to my attention. Will make a link to it on the discussion page (along with other articles).--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:31, 3 Apr 2006 (CDT)

::In line with the GFDL, I believe that is still illegal. You have to include it in the References section, the original URL. You may want to add to the general footer that this content is under the GFDL, and may have been taken from Wikipedia. You'll need the notice somewhere. Maybe create a template, a 'Licensed from Wikipedia' one? --Unsigned by 82.27.224.85, 20:43, 16 Nov 2006

=="Wockypedia"?==
Whereas [[wikipedia:Wookieepedia|Wookieepedia]] is the name of the Star Wars Wiki, could we rename the Neopets Wiki to "'''Wockypedia'''"? --[[User:68.102.193.78|68.102.193.78]] 21:11, 3 May 2006 (CDT) ([[wikipedia:User:Shultz IV|Shultz IV of Wikipedia]])

: I dunno. I think In-depth Neopedia, myself, to keep up with the In-depth theme. You know, In-depth NeoQuest, In-depth Battlepedia... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 01:48, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

::ehh... I dunno, In-Depth Neopedia doesn't have much of a ring too it, especially not for a wiki. I think Neodex is alright, but reminds me a bit too much of Pokedex (y'know, from Pokemon). Neopedia sounds nice to me. --[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:52, 12 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Collaboration==
So...i was thinking of a new feature to add to the current events, to bring it more into the spotlight. Perhaps have a featured collaborated article, one which would be collectivily worked upon until it's felt to be completed (or close enough)?--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 22:53, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

:With the new format of the community portal, this idea has taken full effect. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:33, 7 Oct 2006 (CDT)

==Item Articles?==
Are articles about items going to be included in NeoDex? The wiki seems to be in it's infancy right now and I'd love ot help out. [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:32, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:Articles will be made on items which are noteworthy and have a histroy to them, such as [[Dung]] or [[Motes]]. And your help would be most appreciated. Thank you.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 16:12, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Community Live Chats==
We should set up an IRC chat room shouldn't we :) --[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 04:06, 5 Nov 2005 (CST)

:something is called for. (would a forum be better/worse?) --[[User:Lord Matt|Lord Matt]] 07:36, 6 Nov 2005 (CST)

==NeoDex Guild==
Anyone want to meet-up / form a guild or generally get to know each other better? --unsigned--

:Perhaps we should list our (primary) NeoName (no passwords now, that would be silly) under who am I? --unsigned--

I definitely think a guild is a good idea. Anyone else up for it? :) [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 18:08, 8 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:I'm all for it. a guild would perhaps be a nice addition to the NeoDex. I'm not going to create a guild myself, but if a member (registered member only) would like to create one, I will back it as the official guild of the NeoDex. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:01, 9 Jul 2006 (CDT)

::At the moment i think this idea is defunct, and shall not be considered anymore. Besides, there would be no way for all members of the neodex to be part of the guild should it be created, as it would mean they would need to leave the other guilds. It wouldn't be a very open community. Talk pages of articles here and the official Neodex discussion in the pinkpt forums should suffice. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:03, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

==This portal needs spifified.==
This portal needs some real big spiffying, like the main page. You should make it LOOK GOOD =/ --[[User:62.255.32.12|62.255.32.12]] 17:08, 30 Aug 2006 (CDT)

:I agree, but until we actually have a concept of what this page will actually be, we are stuck on that. any suggestions? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:09, 30 Aug 2006 (CDT)

is the current portal spifified enough? :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:33, 7 Oct 2006 (CDT)

=='Editors' Section==
At the risk of seeming somewhat uppity, I am worried about this section... I mean, [[User:Makuta Bookworm|one of the 'editors']] on the list has only ever edited the Community Portal and his user page, [[User:Toothless200|another]], excepting the Community Portal, his user page and the sandbox, made two edits, one minor, to the [[Cheeseroller]] article. These two members haven't edited since the 16th March and the 26th June respectively. A [[User:Qazwiz|third]] hasn't been seen sincde the 29th July and only made nine edits to anything other than his user page or the community portal (and was disciplined for at least one of these)...

Frankly, I feel this section could be made useful as a reference for members of the community who are currently active and make significant contributions or were active and made a significant contribution... After all, it may help for a new user to consult such members...

I think at best the Editor's section should be used as a sort of Hall of Fame of editors - no doubt the wrong words to use, but if you can understand from my above comments what I mean... For example, while [[User:Lord Matt|Lord Matt]] hasn't been on for a while, when he was on he made many of the earliest contributions. [[User:Duke of Earl|Duke of Earl]] contributed in a similar manner.

[[User:Mirmadon|Mirmadon]] for her extensive care-taking and [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] for his dedication (when he got the time, anyway ;)).

Oh, and who is that other, tirelessly devoted one? [[User:Jacob|His name escapes me]], but I'm fairly sure he has done more edits than anyone else. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:26, 4 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Had to pump up my ego, did you? ha ha. :D You need not worry of the consequences, as i agree with you. the list as it is isn't very helpful to new members, and actually showing a list of members who have/are contributing well to the NeoDex would be better than an optional signature tag. Something like "Editor Hall of Fame", where admin of the NeoDex point out users whom they believe have done a lot for the NeoDex. or "Notable Editors"...i actually like the sound of "Hall of Fame" really. could always be changed, just as we are now changing what the list is. Should a link to each of these users contributions be shown as well? i'm thinking yes. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:32, 4 Dec 2006 (CST)

:I removed the list from the discussion, seeing as it doesn't really need to be here anymore (can be grabbed from the history if it wants to be seen). The new list of users will be made shortly. Input is always appreciated, and seeing as this will be a new thing, it will be needed. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 19:10, 8 Dec 2006 (CST)

==New categrories and articles==
It's time to think of new categories to add it seems. The final 2 articles in the <s>secrets category</s> don't really fit into any other sections. To help this i think it would be good to make new categories for both of them. One such idea is to have a "guides" category, which would show collected lists of information link the [[Mystery Pic Solutions]] and such. Also, the article [[Old Neopets]] makes me think we can expand on the whole "redesign" idea. New articles called "Neopet Redesigns", "Petpet Redesigns", and other such redesigns can be noted (along with the latest [[Neopets 2.0]]). There can even be an category for articles like this as well.

Just giving some ideas on how we can better organize all the data, and looking for feedback. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:51, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

:Both categories sound good to me. I think they'll work perfectly for the articles left under "secrets" and the others. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 10:33, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

==Versions==
You guys should honestly upgrade your wiki software. I mean, 1.4? 0.o It's 1.10 already out there. [[User:Neoran23|Neoran23]]

:I agree with you. but it's not in my hands, but in the hands of the maintainers of the website. Updating the NeoDex would require updating the main [http://www.pinkpt.com PinkPT] first...which is a process still in the waiting. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:11, 8 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::Uhm, are you sure? I don't think that the wiki version depends on the PHP version installed on the server.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 19:09, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:::From my understanding, you need upgraded PHP to use the newer coding. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading As an example], 1.10 requires PHP 5.0.x or later. Also, i only know what i'm told by the maintainers of PinkPT. If they say they can't update yet, I have to take their word. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:10, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::::Jacob, is there any plan to update the wiki version? I understand that the PHP version on this server is still version 4 as of this post, but I learnt it the hard way that we are unable to resize uploaded images using wikicodes... --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 11:30, 12 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Again, I have no idea when the coding will be updated. This factor should be multiplied considering I've been away for awhile (again, I apologize). It ''would'' be nice to resize images with simple wiki coding, then we could use larger images without worry. But at this point, all we can do is update their sizes manually. Need to find out if this can be changed yet. :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:51, 18 Jun 2008 (CDT)

==Partnership with another wiki==
It has been suggested by the members of the German site helony.com to connect the Neopets articles of the [http://www.helony.com/wiki/ German petgames wiki] respective English ones. For this, you would have to go into the database table which has interwiki in its name, insert hln into the column iw_prefix, http://www.helony.com/wiki/index.php?title=$1 into the column iw_url, leave the other columns blank, then go to the file Names.php ins the languages folder and add
<pre>hln => Helony,</pre> to this list. That would make e.g. <nowiki>[[hln:Neopets]]</nowiki> appear as an interwiki in the sidebar like on Wikipedia. Of course we at Helony would do the same. Please let me know if you are interested in such a partnership :)--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 19:09, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:I think something like this was suggested to me in the past as well by Yukio, saying that other sections were finding affiliates so i could as well. I turned it down, as i didn't think it was nessesary. Think the conversation is in my talk page...i forget. Would like to hear more about this. Are you simply asking for a external link to the german wiki on the NeoDex sidebar? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:10, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::No, I am speaking of a link from every single German Neopets-related article to the respective article on Neodex and vice-versa (not more and not less :D). It would be just a small link in the sidebar, as [http://www.helony.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Himmelsdemon here] the link to my profile on Wikibeta. As I suppose I am the only here, who speaks German, I would set the links myself, I just need the corresponding software changes and of course your approval.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:23, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Similar to the way regular english Wikipedia links to articles in other languages, right? With a "In other languages" box on the sidebar? creating and maintaining other language articles is something i haven't considered, and i've outright deleted articles which were created in other languages in the past here on the NeoDex. Of course, you are saying these articles would link to the article on another wiki, so i suppose that's different than having it on this server.

I just don't know. it's something i haven't bothered to consider, seeing as we already have a lot of work to do on the NeoDex as it is. my apologies on not being more hopeful. :S I do like the idea of having our information be more international, because there are many users out there who i think would like to participate, but can't comprehend the english. A gap we can hope to bridge in the future? Or very soon, should we move ahead with this...*ponders* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:55, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:We could use a template a la [[Wikipedia:Template:Wiktionarypar|those used on Wikipedia to link over to other projects]]... Cross-referencing the Neodex and Helony would be a wonderful step, however it is achieved. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:24, 10 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Macbeth, this solution would be agreeable as well (although a template is actually bigger than a small link in the sidebar :/) So just to be sure, do I have permission to create such a template and add it to existing articles? And is it ok to you if the German wiki just has link to your respective articles as mentioned above? Please note that the German articles are not translations of the Neodex articles, but existing articles on their own.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 20:05, 11 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:I suggested using a template like that as the NeoDex and Helony are managed by different groups... Different projects, as you will, so article standards and approaches would be different. What concerns me about having an 'alternate language' wikilink is that some may think it was a direct translation, and not a separate project...

:I am quite happy for the template idea to go ahead here, although we should probably wait for Yukio or Jacob to report back on it. If Helony would rather use the interwiki form, then that's fine with me, provided it is noted that they are separate projects so things like user accounts, etc, would not be transferable across wikis, etc...

:I was thinking a template on this end of the style of the featured articles template might be good... or something more like the wikipedia template referenced above? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 02:56, 12 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::If you would like to try the template idea for the moment, i'm fine with it. It will give a trail basis to the idea of what you would like to try out. Don't know which articles you would place them on, seeing as you say the articles on Helony aren't going to be exact translations. The Interwiki link sounds more preferrible, doesn't it? ;) Will look into it should i manage to catch up with things. Have a "whole plate of pancakes to eat" or so to speak. :S --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 03:39, 12 Jul 2007 (UTC)

==Under Construction vs. Stub==
It is suggested on the portal that articles that are 'under construction' be built up to a stub - surely it is the other way around? A stub has very little information at all, a bare few words on a topic... An article that is under construction, however, will have specific areas that need to address and are being addressed... if you see what I mean...? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:31, 16 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:You raise a good point. Perhaps we could...have the rules be different here? :S --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 01:31, 17 Oct 2007 (UTC)

::I'm not sure I follow? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 18:52, 17 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:::Have the role of "under construction" and "stub" be switched around. Sorry to confuse. :P Then again, that doesn't really work if someone with wiki know how comes here and gets baffled. What action are you suggesting? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 03:21, 18 Oct 2007 (UTC)

::::We could do that, I suppose, but I fancy it would be a bit confusing... And an under construction article preferable to a stub, I think, as there is a clear indication of where to expand it... I thought we could just ask for under construction articles to be developed into less-under construction articles, to be honest xP --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:16, 19 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:::::I'm thinking the [[Help:Stub]] article needs to be updated to explain the difference once again. :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:42, 19 Oct 2007 (UTC)

==Is this important enough to be added?==
I love [[The Tale of Woe]], and when I was searching for things to add to, I discovered there is no article for ''Hissi oil'', the potions that [[Mr. Krawley]] sold. I'm not sure if this would be important enough to be added, but I'd be happy to add it if it is. --[[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 04:22, 17 Dec 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think there is enough information to make a Hissi Oil article. Nor do I think it's the only potion Krawley makes. It WOULD be interesting if every potion he gave is Hissi Oil, which would mean Hissi have something sinister within them that makes others transform, but as stated, I don't think that is the case. Personally think he's just claiming it as Hissi Oil and how healthy the potion is like most swindlers who would sell anything for a buck. In either case, think it's important to speak about his potions only in his article. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:41, 17 Dec 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, thats what I figured, but I just wanted to cheak. - [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

==Regarding Neopet popularity==
I would like to have some way to notify readers that the Neopet Popularity we reference when discussing the different species of pets is not entirely accurate. The Popularity page itself admits that it only includes created pets, not morphed or labbed, so the numbers can be widely inaccurate... is creating an article about Neopet Popularity the way to go, or is there another article already existing it would be best to tack this onto? I'm a stickler for accuracy and I don't think that anyone in the world would believe that there are really only 2,300 Krawks in all of neopia... (or 12,000 Draiks, for that matter). --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 00:02, 1 Jun 2008 (CDT)

:I feel that we have nothing much to write about if we create an article just for Neopet popularity discrepancy. Since it is near impossible to find out the estimate number of a particular Neopet, I'm thinking of one of the following:
:*Avoid listing the number of Neopet on the Neopet articles.
:*Mention that it's the number of ''created'' Neopet. (ie. created 2,377 Krawks as of October 2007)
:Where is Jacob nowadays? --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:02, 2 Jun 2008 (CDT)

::Well, we ''need'' to mention the number of created Neopets, because it's a notable number. Still, it's obvious it isn't an accurate account, and I suppose this could be mentioned in full on the [[Neopet]] article itself.

::And Jacob has been busy, and very bad at keeping up with things that need doing. Still want to complete and edit the NEoDex, though things have just gotten...complicated...is all. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:51, 18 Jun 2008 (CDT)

:::Haha, it's okay - At least you're back. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:25, 19 Jun 2008 (CDT)

==Image deletion==
I would like to know if there is anyway you could delete the file I uploaded, Old_maraqua.PNG ? I forgot to take away the white background, making it a huge file. I now have a much smaller file, but I was hoping you could get rid of that one first. Thanks! [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

:While trying to rush off for work, I really deleted the image before realising it's not required X(. You can always re-upload the image to Neodex with the same filename, instead of deleting. Anything uploaded to Neodex will not be possible to totally remove from the server. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:02, 2 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Ok, thank you very much! [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

==Battledome Weapons==
Would it be a good idea to create pages for all Battledome weapons? In the Under Construction area, I see many uncreated pages that are about BD weapons and I don't know whether or not I should create pages for them. Should we have some kind of criteria or something before we create pages for weapons? Or would it be best to make pages (such as Freezing Weapons, etc.) and list weapons? These are all just suggestions, though. I'd appreciate some other "opinions" before I do anything :)

[[User:Siouxper|Siouxper]] 01:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

:The only Battledome Weapons we tend to add to the Neodex are ones that tend to be extremely notable like the [[Sword of Skardsen]], [[Ghostkerbomb]], and the [[Attack Pea]] collection. There are several noted item databases as well as battledome databases that chronicle the full list of these items and their effects in battle. In general, we attempt to avoid creating another of them. At some point in the future it might make sense to add examples or lists of the BD weapons sold in each of the weapon/armor shops on those shops' pages but it's not necessary... Perhaps you would be interested in helping us fill in the [[Battledome Equipment]] page? If you see, the [[:Category:Battledome_Equipment]] is not that big and the items tend to be either a notable collection like the [[Scorchstone]]s or [[Hidden Tower]] items. If there are other "groupings" of weapons/armor like the muffins, motes, etc... those would probably be an acceptable addition but please refrain from making a page for every item. :) --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 04:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for the response :) I'll probably do some work on the Battledome Equipment page and fill in information about the shops. One final question: Under the Battledome Equipment Terms section, I have quite a few terms I can add (tank, league, boost, and some others), but these terms usually apply only to "experienced" Battledomers (people who BD a lot). Would it be best if I added these terms or just left them out? [[User:Siouxper|Siouxper]] 12:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Those terms refer to experienced play, in which they are used to quickly explain strategy and the like, so refraining from using them would be best. External links to websites where people use them, explain them and etc. is fine though. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

==Attacks on User Lookup talk page==
The most recent attack (31 August 2008, around 12pm UTC) all came from a common ISP, which ranges from 194.8.74.0 - 194.8.75.255. We might have to prevent anonymous editing for the whole range for a period of time if the problem persist.

Or are we going to block all (except logged in users) from editing, like what we did before the mediawiki was upgraded? I'm not too sure about this anymore... Wiki is supposed to be allowed for all to modify. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 05:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:One of the many things which I miss was the necessary creation of an account in order to edit the NeoDex, simply because it made things a whole lot easier to maintain. Hopefully it can be brought back into the fold. All should be able to modify articles, yes, but it seems others are ruining that freedom. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Some spammer is adding gibberish to pages, at least I guess it's one person using a lot of accounts, because it's got a pattern. The accounts which I suspect to be used by him are[[User:CacroLvich]], [[User:SitzeLnoli]], [[User:CnaalErour]], [[User:OlozeLalac]] and [[User:RobocRacch]]. And I think he also was DomtaOrelt, RonopAsbod, AcelrOalcv, OuricDronv and a lot of other spam accounts, like RictaDarsi, who created a lot of spam pages. Could anyone do something against him? --[[User:Likiana|Likiana]] 14:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I probably was wrong when saying it was one user who added the spam to pages - my new guess it's a bot network or something. When users get blocked like all those vandals, account creation is disabled, so they have to use another computer to sign up again, and I don't think that vandal has 16 or more computers. My guess is that he's a hacker/cracker who controls a bot network or something comparable. Just wanted to correct what I said. --[[User:Likiana|Likiana]] 17:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:I only ''wish'' it were that easy to prevent vandalism! Sort of like the movie Minority Report, we stop the vandals before they strike hehe. Unless there's something I don't know about I guess the only way is to deal with the spam as they come and hopefully it will stop soon. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 05:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

::We could implement the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA reCAPTCHA], which can greatly reduces the amount of vandalisms, while still allowing anonymous users to edit. By default, the reCAPTCHA will apply to anonymous edits with links (which we are currently encountering), new accounts (we had this problem in the past when we disallowed anonymous editing, and it came back briefly recently as mentioned by Likiana), and brute force attack on accounts. If that is not enough, we can further implement reCAPTCHA on new page creations and all edits. Registered users on the other hand, will not be affected by this reCAPTCHA. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== New Head/additional Head Admin needed ==
I can no longer give the necessary attention to this wiki that it deserves. Plenty of you can attest to that. So, I need to hand the torch to someone that can. I know I've been the go to guy for pretty much all questions and situations, mostly due to the fact I've built the wiki from the ground up. Now that my life is filled with complete fail, however, someone else must be able to take up the task of keeping things in order.

From what I've seen, the "head" of the admins needs to keep articles and links in order, thinking about the whole of the wiki, and discovering new and better ways to present and archive data. Requires a diverse understanding of what articles are within the NeoDex, and wiki coding. Good social skills help as well, because nothing makes things more confusing than someone who can't explain something well. This socially stunted man can attest to that.

As I haven't been here in awhile, I don't know who has been keeping the most tabs with things, so I think it would be good to hear from the rest of you how the status quo should change. Again, this isn't an all powerful position in which you can do whatever you please. The Head Admin is just like every other Admin...with more emphasis. Of course, if that's the case, must there BE a "head"? Discuss Any and all thoughts you may have.

My apologies for having it take so long, but I'm officially putting my foot down and saying someone else must take the job of Head Admin. Or stand in. Or become an additional. Whatever. However it's going to be. Just hope we can discover a solution so that the wiki won't suffer anymore due to my failings. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

:I will go ahead and say that I am sure many will agree that nothing you have done can be considered a failing. It is more a... concurrence of unlucky circumstances.
:That said, we need to come up with a candidate for a new head admin. I can imagine four candidates: [[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] ([[Special:Contributions/Macbeth|contribs]]), [[User:Emeraldosprey|Emeraldosprey]] ([[Special:Contributions/Emeraldosprey|contribs]]), [[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ([[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contribs]]), and [[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] ([[Special:Contributions/Dizzy|contribs]]). They all have their different pros and cons (please don't take offense).
:*Macbeth: Oldest ([http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights Rights log]) sysop after Kym and Jacob, therefore has the most experience. Sadly not very much active during the recent time.
:*Emeraldosprey: Shows very much and constant dedication, is however the "youngest" sysop.
:*SwordFire: Is generally experienced with coding, which includes not only wiki coding, but PHP. Therefore most likely to come up with new ideas and to have them implemented. However, slightly less active than Emeraldosprey.
:*Dizzy: Has always made a reliable impression. One could only complain at the fact that most of her recent contributions are reverts.

:Regarding possible other candidates: I think we all agree that the new head admin needs to be a present admin. While [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] has not contributed for over 2 (!) years, [[User:Cath|Cath]] shows large times of activity followed by equally long inactivity. While I simply show inactivity and currently don't have the time for being a head admin.
:I hope I did't say something that anybody took offense for. Discuss.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

::Mostly reverts shouldn't be an issue here. We are all doing mostly reverts recently due to spam attacks :P.
::Recently I've to concentrate on my other commitment due to the upcoming Firefox 3.1. I usually becoming less active whenever a new Firefox version is going to be release. During at this time, I'll still be monitoring the Neodex via the RSS. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 07:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I still have some other people to contact, because I don't think this is reaching enough ears at this point. I loathe not being able to focus enough time on things like this... :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:Sorry about the late response (thanks for reminding me Demon)! I don't know, I've never been the leader type. It seems like most of us have been too busy to devote time to the NeoDex and all we can do is revert. I've been focusing most of my attention on school as my grades have, erm, "slipped" ;P I hope to make up for my absence during the summer which is unfortunately a long ways off. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 19:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

::While I am touched to have been mentioned here, I do not think I would be able to give the NeoDex the regular attention that I gave it circa 2006 and 2007, the level of attention that you all undoubtedly deserve from me - of course, Jacob's shoes would be very hard for any of us to fill. My involvement both with Neopets and the Neodex has been unacceptably sub-par recently, for which I apologise unreservedly, but I am afraid that it was and is unavoidable due to conditions in my personal life at the moment, the details of which (for the sake of brevity and not wishing to sound too self-indulgent) I will spare you.

::I am willing to do what I can here - I still check in with what time I can spare to pursue the recent changes - but my usefulness is no doubt heavily limited by how I am not keeping up with the Neopets site itself.

::No one can replace the hard work put in by Jacob, who nurtured the Neodex out of its infancy to blossom into what is, truth be told, almost a self-supporting project. Whether he can be active in his role or not, Jacob is and will remain, as much as he ever was, the Head Admin: the Neodex is truly his brain child. All anyone else can hope to do is to fill in in the mean time.

::Our admins and our editors have by themselves been keeping an eye out for vandalism, and still able to fulfil the primary objectives of this wiki - to expand, and to improve, its coverage of all things Neopets, and to become the a one-stop resource for Neopians everywhere. I would suggest if we are looking for someone to fill in the roles of promoting new editors to sysops, being the go-to-person on Neodex policy, and directing the Neodex's development in the future, then I any of our sysops are qualified for the job. I give my personal endorsement and faith to [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&username=&group=sysop&limit=50 them all].

::On a personal note, while I may not have an active presence on the site as I once did, I ''will'' appear from time to time, and you are all at liberty to contact me - you should be able to e-mail me through the Neodex [[Special:Emailuser/Macbeth|here]], which should also be linked on my user-page in to toolbox on the bottom left - if you would ever like to call on me to address something specific around here - you have total access to my consultancy :).

::I hope I find you all well, and I hope that both Jacob and I will be able to eventually give the Neodex more consistent ministration. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 16:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I personally don't see the need for a "head admin" as the wiki seems to run fine even in Jacob's absence. During the recent spam attacks, all admins here worked together to keep the site clean of spam even though there was no "leader" to organize them. I don't see why this cannot continue in the future. Any thoughts? --[[User:Emeraldosprey|Emeraldosprey]]

::::As much as I whole-heartedly agree with ''nearly'' every aspect of what Macbeth has said (thumbs up!), there is one issue I'd like to bring up. You said "if we are looking for someone to fill in the roles of promoting new editors to sysops..." The problem currently is, that sysops cannot promote members. Only bureaucrats can, that is, [[User:Yukio|Kym]] and [[User:Jacob|Jacob]]. I don't know whether Jacob will be online often enough to fulfill these duties, and I believe Kym doesn't have the time to look for possible sysop candidates. Of course we as the sysops could always come to Kym with a full-reasoned proposal so that he can promote the people. Question is whether he would be willing to go through the hassle of doing this every time.

::::So I have to ask you, Jacob, do you think you can ensure that deserving members of the community are promoted to sysops whenever necessary - without us having to go to Kym every time this needs to happen? If yes, I can say with a clear conscience that I don't have any objections to the situation staying like it currently is :) --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Kym has enough on his hands to have the sole responsibility of promoting regular editors to admin, especially when he doesn't regularly edit articles here. I assume he's expecting we as the editing community to govern ourselves in such a way to work independently of the rest of PinkPT. Which I suppose brings up the need to have someone else to "lead" besides myself. Still haven't heard any news from him or the rest of the staff yet, and I'm a little worried at that, but I'm hoping a solution can be found and continued (improved?) flow of information can continue. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

:Well, it might be a good idea to raise it at the next AIM meeting, then. I mean, the Neodex has always been a bit independent, but I can appreciate the value for his input. It may be sensible to promote a few of the current sysops to buearocrats, make sure the Neodex is regularly backed up, and hope no one goes completely mad with power! ;) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

::Hi guys, Kym here. Apologies about the tardy response - I was involved in a car accident in South America, was in surgery for a week, and have arrived back in Australia for about two weeks now - the recovery involving many doctor appointments.

::Before I left for South America, I initiated a change in the staff system at PPT, and have spent the past two weeks implementing the changes etc. All staff here are required to sign up at http://www.pinkpt.com/forum - make sure you PM me your username so I can give you access to the private staff board. All staff decisions will be made from there. As I check that board every day now, I can be contacted if anyone ever needs me.

::The appointment of Jacob's replacement is necessary - and I will be working with all staff here at the NeoDex to assure that the transition goes smoothly. Anyone interested in Jacob's position should email me kym@kymhuynh.com with their application. If anyone here has recommendation or issues at the NeoDex that they feel needs to be addressed, I can also be contacted via my email. Note, however, that this is only temporary. In the future, all communication will be at the staff board @ http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/

::Thanks for your patience guys and I look forward to your emails. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 03:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Hi guys. As I have received no applications from any current staff from the NeoDex, I will now open up applications for the new NeoDex Administrator to a wider audience at the Pink Poogle Toy community. The posting will be made here: http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=53 --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 09:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Administrator applications have now closed. A big welcome to Macbeth, our new NeoDex Administrator! --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 14:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

== Patrolling edits ==

Could you guys help me partolling edits, please? To do that more efficiently, go to [[Special:Recentchanges|Recentchanges]] and click the "Hide patrolled edits" link. Just go through the changes that have an exclamation mark next to them and click the "diff" link.
I'd like to have every edit patrolled because we might else let things slip past, like [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Lutari&diff=prev&oldid=35187 that edit] which broke a link.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 22:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, so that's what those exclamation points mean :P I've been battling with these edits and this sure makes things easier! --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 04:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== Daily Dare ==
Wondering if one page needs to be made with all relevant info about previous years challenges.
at the moment, there is only a [[Daily Dare 2007]] page which i have edited slightly to include new info about 2009's challenges. Perhaps the page title needs to only be changed?
[[User:Corythepaperboy|Corythepaperboy]] 06:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wiki protection ==

Maybe we should set the wiki to allowing registered users only and require new accounts to be confirmed by sysops before they can edit? I know I have seen that option in the documentation somewhere, would have to dig around a bit...--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 17:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:Requiring accounts to be sysop-activated seems a bit far - plus, how are we meant to distinguish the accounts that ''will'' become good users from the ones that will not, based on no edits? Forcing registration again sounds like a good idea, though. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 19:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

::Well, the main reason why I suggested activation by hand was that we might get mass registrations like [[User:EltroRolri]], [[User:OuricDronv]], [[User:OlotrVarac]] etc (see [[Special:Logs/Block]] from January 8th). I will wait for more feedback for now and then talk to Kym about that. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 20:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:::In most cases, these kind of accounts were created using a bot, which can be prevented by implementing something random like [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit |ConfirmEdit] and [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA reCAPTCHA]]. We can further extend it to anonymous edits to prevent anonymous bots from editing. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 01:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Thanks SwordFire :D If no one has any objections, I will mention it to Kym on the next staff meeting.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 09:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Update: I have now implemented reCAPTCHA. It should be triggered on registration and whenever external links are added. I think that should make blocking anonymous users obsolete. That can still be implemented if necessary.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 14:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::Great work! :) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 21:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::This should stop most attacks except blanking and random text (which both of them do not include external links). So long as these two do not go out of control, we can just stay as it is. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 15:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

== Now Accepting Applications for NeoDex administrator position ==

We are now looking for a new Admin for the NeoDex. If any of you would like to take a swing at the job please apply, [http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38634]!
--[[User:Unspecialfish|unspecialfish]] 02:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Avatar items? ==
Do you think that popular avvie items such as the [[Zafara Double Agent Plushie]] and [[Faerie Queen Doll]] should have their own articles on the NeoDex? Idk, because there are popular Hidden Tower items' articles and it would definitely not make sense if FQD didn't have its' own article. [[User:A Neezles A|Charlotte xoxo]] 22:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

:These items are notable, but in my opinion do not have a lot of information to become an article. They can be combine with [[Zafara Double Agent]] and [[Faerie Queen]] respectively, under a sub-header. We can then redirect [[Zafara Double Agent Plushie]] and [[Faerie Queen Doll]] to these two main articles. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

::Oh, and please delete this page: [[Winnner's curse]] [[User:A Neezles A|Charlotte xoxo]] 03:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Article deleted. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== User block ==

Any sysop can possibly block [[User:64.231.10.29]]? On Aug 31 2009 s/he has been adding false information to [[Shenkuu]]. Thank you! [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 18:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== Move restriction ==

To prevent (future) grief to everyone here, I'm going to request for a move restriction to new Nexdex accounts. This will prevent anybody from create a new account just to start moving articles all over the place. I'll not mention how long will it take for an account to be allowed to move an article though.

This will take some time to implement, depending on how fast Kym access the server and make the modification. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:I love this idea, but I don't know, Hagrid a.k.a Wheeler a.k.a. Tewapack a.k.a Willy on Wheels a.k.a. 'B Neezles B' might stop doing the move mess-up and start to vandalise pages, remove content, and that kind of stuff. And this option can't really be done because I think Wikipedia doesn't have this kind of thing. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::SwordFire, you are the greatest. *grovels at your feet* If Wheels of whatever he goes by starts to do any of that stuff, it is a lot easier (and less confusing) to undo it. If this request is approved I will definitely sleep sounder at night ;) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 16:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Also, don't forget that he might stop this moving business and start vandalising. He did change dung into $|-|17, you know. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Another restriction that I can think of is to request all Neodex users to add an email account and confirm it. That way, Vandals have to go through several steps before he/she can do some damage. But I'll need to look into this first.

::::As for the vandalism, the only way to partially prevent this is to implement a full lockdown (ie. no anonymous edit, account approval by sysop, etc.), which I do not really prefer. Moreever, those accounts which sysop approved might be vandals themselves. But I'm open for suggestions. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::BTW, a vandal may start being helpful, try to go admin, and then start vandalizing with admin powers and deleting the good pages and creating bad ones, and protect them. Or we could just block moving for non-admins all along. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::At the moment, I don't think anybody is going to be promoted to sysop, unless we have an active bureaucrat first. As at the moment, the two bureaucrats in Neodex might not be able to act fast enough to stop a rogue sysop, since they have to concentrate on the whole pinkpt site. But that is beside the point. Right now, we have to do something to the current situation first. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::::In Wikipedia, only autoconfirmed users are allowed to edit certain pages, and the autoconfirmed requirement is having registered for 4 days and made 10 edits. Is the option available which all editing is restricted to autoconfirmed users? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 18:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::If you think about it, if you only allow editing (for all articles) for autoconfirmed users and above, it is almost similar to kicking everybody (except bureaucrats, sysops and users who are already autoconfirmed) out of Neodex. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::I agree, because wikis are meant to be edited by ''everyone'', and if this would be done I'd only put this restriction on CERTAIN articles... [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 18:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::::Maybe this could be done to featured articles only, since they're common targets? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 19:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::I think the only pages with this restriction should be the ones with five or more vandalism targets. It wouldn't be fair if I.P. people who don't want to create an account can't edit featured articles. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 19:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:Just hang on - I've already informed Kym that this is an urgent case. He must be out on Saturday. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 19:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for the emails guys and the prompt alert. Changes that were suggested and have been implemented are as follows: (1) Move restrictions are in place on new NeoDex accounts; (2) Accounts which are (sensitive info removed) are able to move articles; and (3) Sysops and Bureaucrats are now able to use the CheckUser extension.--[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 13:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Thank you Kym, I am really happy to know that this batch of vandalism will be the last I have to deal with :D I don't know how this CheckUser extension works but thanks all the same! --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 13:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I'll explain it to you through the forum PM. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 13:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Thanks, I'll know what I'm doing now haha :) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 16:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we could also get [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newuserlog Extension:Newuserlog]? It is particularly useful because it (theoretically) logs when a user creates a sockpuppet. There might be ways to get around it, though. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 23:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

:Maybe we could also have an [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter abuse filter], which could filter out any page move vandalism? --[[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]] 14:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

::Newuserlog is pointless, as the very top of the link says the software is obselete, and has been updated since version 1.14.0 of the mediawiki coding. Then again, we don't ''have'' that version, so... --[[Special:Contributions/69.217.164.170|69.217.164.170]] 23:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Yeah, we only have [[Special:Version|Version 1.12.0]]. Maybe we could use that extension until update to a higher Mediawiki version becomes necessary.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 00:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

== Vandalism Investigation ==

Sorry for not blocking the vandal earlier, but I've been collecting information regarding the attacks. Now that I've seen enough, I'm blocking the IP range of a certain ISP for two weeks. User using that ISP will not be able to edit or register an account during this period of time. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 01:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:It seems to be very effective. The vandal hasn't vandalized for almost a whole week. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pink]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|girl]][[User:Pinkgirl34/NQII Walkthrough|34]] 21:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

==Recent deletion of this page==
Don't you guys think deleting all versions of this page is kinda overkill just to hide a few? Wouldn't it have been better to restore '''all''' versions except the ones with sensitive info in question?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:That is a little rough, I have to agree. Though, I forget if that's possible with the current coding. Still trying to clear out the dust n dirt which gathered from my months of not being here. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Delete ==

Um, I just wanted to know if you can delete this page. http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Altador_cup_4&redirect=no

I know this is a stupid request but well I just feel that the c should be capitalize and I can't edit it and change it so the only thing I can think of is to delete it but I don't know how. So can you? [[User:Ashpoke|Ashpoke]]

:I've moved the page to capital lettered C. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 02:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

::Uh oh, you've just created what we call a "double redirect." [[User:A Neezles A|--Destiny]] 03:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

:::I've fixed the double redirect; re-redirected [[Altador cup 4]] to [[Altador Cup IV]] because it's still a plausible redirect. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 21:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

::::Wait, the link still has a lowercase '''c''' though for cup still. So you guys can't change it to an uppercase then? [[User:Ashpoke|Ashpoke]]

:::::The only way the page can be permanently changed to uppercase is if you rename the lowercase page to an uppercase letter and have an administrator delete the lowercase page. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 20:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

::::::Deleted! :)--[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 22:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Thanks! --[[User:Ashpoke|Ashpoke]]

== Question about Requirements for Sysops ==
I have a question: What are the requirements for becoming a sysop? It doesn't seem to be posted on this website. For example, how many edits are required and how long does the user have to be on NeoDex in order for someone to promote them to a sysop? Thanks, [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 20:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:In the moment I don't think anyone will be as there is only one bureaucrat on the site right now. [[User:A Neezles A|--Destiny]] 21:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::I see. And it seems like the only active bureaucrat hasn't edited for a month. However, is there a way to contact a bureaucrat? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl34]] 01:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Requirements are a good understanding of wiki coding, understanding of the NeoDex itself, sensible mind and good communications skills. That's in summary at least. I know this has been asked before, but I forget where. In essence, should you be a trusted and capable editor (and should one be needed), such an editor will be considered. Then again, that's how I recall it, and I'm not part of that anymore, so... :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 04:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

:::I think the easiest way is having an active sysop suggest you on the staff board, since technically speaking, Kym is still a bureaucrat and might promote you.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 02:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

NeoDex talk:Community portal/Archive 1

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Himmelsdemon: /* Move restriction */ requesting Extension:Newuserlog

==Community Portal Lists==
===Completed Goals===
The following are goals which were completed on the NeoDex.

*'''Article Goal (200)''' - 200 articles, our first milestone!
**''? - ? - It's unknown when this goal was reached, but it happened sometime within the first few months of the creation of the NeoDex.''
*'''Neopets List''' - Filling out the list of Neopets and having all wiki links work with it.
**''March 3, 2006 - March 6, 2006 - Creating an article for every neopet, and users can find/edit them from the <s>Pet types</s> category to which they all are linked to.''
*'''Neopia''' - Filling out the world of [[Neopia]] and making all wiki links work with it.
**''March 3, 2006 - March 7, 2006 - Created the proper named pages, redirecting to the proper worlds in each, and the correctly spelled ones as well, as there were many seperate pages telling information about the same world, when they could be just one.''
*'''Games''' - Making the [[:Category: Games|Games]] category the official section, and taking down all other game pages
**''March 6, 2006 - March 10, 2006 - Moved all seperate gaming pages into one section, and made article copies of same article topic into one article.''
*'''Article Goal (1000)''' - 1000 Articles before the Neodex's first Birthday!
**''July 3, 2006 - July 11, 2006''
*'''Gaming Revamp''' - On November 21, 2006, Neopets redesigned the game room, requiring the NeoDex to add new gaming categories and other information. Time to get our game on! HUZZAH!
**''November 22, 2006 - December 14, 2006''
*'''"To Do List" to "Construction List"''' - On September 27, 2006, an effort to make the [[:Category:Under Construction|Construction]] list to be the official "To Do List" began. All articles linked to the original were to be altered to link to the new list, after which the original would be deleted.
**''September 27, 2006 - January 25, 2007''
*'''Disambiguation''' - A [[:Template:disambig|template]] was created for [[:Category:Disambiguation|Disambiguation]] articles on March 11, 2007. We need to mark ''all'' of the articles with it at the bottom of the page, replacing the category coding.
**''March 11, 2007 - March 12, 2007''
*'''Help Section''' - [[User:Jacob|Jacob]] and [[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] are currently working on expanding and revamping the NeoDex [[Help:Contents|help]] section. Suggestions can be added to relevant talk pages.
**''January 10, 2007 - April 13, 2007''
*'''Altador Cup 2006''' - There has been a rumor about a new [[Altador Cup]] starting this June. Before this comes about, as much data as possible should be gathered about the previous year, because it's quite possible the old data will disappear when the new one begins. Hurry!
**''April 18, 2007 - May 21, 2007 - Should the 2007 season follow the same format of 2006, it can be easily integrated with the completed 2006 data. If not...At least it has been completed. ;)''
*'''A "Secrets" Category?''' - Why do we need a "secrets" category when all articles are supposed to have secrets in them to begin with? Help fix articles which are linked to this redundant category for its future deletion.
**''May 10, 2007 - May 25, 2007''
*'''It's "NeoQuest", not "Neoquest"''' - There are 2 categories which have misspelled "NeoQuest": <s>Neoquest</s> and <s>Neoquest II</s>. The proper categories should be [[:Category:NeoQuest I|NeoQuest I]] and [[:Category:NeoQuest II|NeoQuest II]]. All articles linking to the wrong categories should be fixed, and when both misspelled categories are cleared, they will be deleted.
**''June 20, 2007 - June 22, 2007''
*'''PPL Category = Redundant!''' - It was [[Category talk:Petpets|recently found]] the <s>Petpet Protection League</s> category is redundant, and should be deleted. Before deletion can occur, all articles within the category need to be edited, severing any connection they have with the category (this also includes talk pages, whose wiki links can simple be <s>struck</s> through).
**''August 15, 2007 - August 16, 2007''
*'''Misspellings 101''' - There are over 150 misspellings in the NeoDex. Let's try to lower them to under 50!
**''April 14, 2007 - August 23, 2007''
*'''Proper Neopet Category''' - It was decided the <s>Pet types</s> was an improper name for Neopets, and that [[:Category:Neopet Species|Neopet Species]] would be better. Once All articles linked to "Pet types" are linked to "Neopets Species", it shall be deleted.
**''September 8, 2007 - October 14, 2007''
*'''"Characters" Category Clean-Up''' - The [[:Category:Characters|Characters]] category has over 200 articles linked to it! In order to make it more easily navigated, we need to link them to more appropriate sub-categories (where it applies). The easiest way to do this it to label the characters as either a [[:Category:Heroes|Hero]] or [[:Category:Villains|Villain]] (or both if it applies). The goal is to get as close to 150 articles in "Characters" as we can.
**''August 28, 2007 - October 26, 2007''
*'''No Such Thing As Spoilers''' - In the past, it was once deemed necessary to label plots as containing spoilers in any wiki if they spoiled something for the reader. However, this has sense changed, and the placing of a spoiler tag on articles is now frowned upon...but the NeoDex still has one!!! We need to remove all tags from articles which have them, then we can delete the template, which has become a relic of a world long forgotten.
**''January 31, 2008 - February 11, 2008''

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==Content off Wikipedia==
As a preventive measure: there is content that was copied from Wikipedia, such as [[Neopets, The Website]], but they need to be brought into line with the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL GFDL] license, which says that the content needs to be attributed to the writers. (I'm not sure, but perhaps just linking to the Wikipedia article and saying that some content was "taken from" or "based on" it would be enough?) Thanks. [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] 16:33, 2 Apr 2006 (CDT)

:*bows* thank you for bringing this to my attention. Will make a link to it on the discussion page (along with other articles).--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:31, 3 Apr 2006 (CDT)

::In line with the GFDL, I believe that is still illegal. You have to include it in the References section, the original URL. You may want to add to the general footer that this content is under the GFDL, and may have been taken from Wikipedia. You'll need the notice somewhere. Maybe create a template, a 'Licensed from Wikipedia' one? --Unsigned by 82.27.224.85, 20:43, 16 Nov 2006

=="Wockypedia"?==
Whereas [[wikipedia:Wookieepedia|Wookieepedia]] is the name of the Star Wars Wiki, could we rename the Neopets Wiki to "'''Wockypedia'''"? --[[User:68.102.193.78|68.102.193.78]] 21:11, 3 May 2006 (CDT) ([[wikipedia:User:Shultz IV|Shultz IV of Wikipedia]])

: I dunno. I think In-depth Neopedia, myself, to keep up with the In-depth theme. You know, In-depth NeoQuest, In-depth Battlepedia... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 01:48, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

::ehh... I dunno, In-Depth Neopedia doesn't have much of a ring too it, especially not for a wiki. I think Neodex is alright, but reminds me a bit too much of Pokedex (y'know, from Pokemon). Neopedia sounds nice to me. --[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:52, 12 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Collaboration==
So...i was thinking of a new feature to add to the current events, to bring it more into the spotlight. Perhaps have a featured collaborated article, one which would be collectivily worked upon until it's felt to be completed (or close enough)?--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 22:53, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

:With the new format of the community portal, this idea has taken full effect. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:33, 7 Oct 2006 (CDT)

==Item Articles?==
Are articles about items going to be included in NeoDex? The wiki seems to be in it's infancy right now and I'd love ot help out. [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:32, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:Articles will be made on items which are noteworthy and have a histroy to them, such as [[Dung]] or [[Motes]]. And your help would be most appreciated. Thank you.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 16:12, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Community Live Chats==
We should set up an IRC chat room shouldn't we :) --[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 04:06, 5 Nov 2005 (CST)

:something is called for. (would a forum be better/worse?) --[[User:Lord Matt|Lord Matt]] 07:36, 6 Nov 2005 (CST)

==NeoDex Guild==
Anyone want to meet-up / form a guild or generally get to know each other better? --unsigned--

:Perhaps we should list our (primary) NeoName (no passwords now, that would be silly) under who am I? --unsigned--

I definitely think a guild is a good idea. Anyone else up for it? :) [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 18:08, 8 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:I'm all for it. a guild would perhaps be a nice addition to the NeoDex. I'm not going to create a guild myself, but if a member (registered member only) would like to create one, I will back it as the official guild of the NeoDex. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:01, 9 Jul 2006 (CDT)

::At the moment i think this idea is defunct, and shall not be considered anymore. Besides, there would be no way for all members of the neodex to be part of the guild should it be created, as it would mean they would need to leave the other guilds. It wouldn't be a very open community. Talk pages of articles here and the official Neodex discussion in the pinkpt forums should suffice. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:03, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

==This portal needs spifified.==
This portal needs some real big spiffying, like the main page. You should make it LOOK GOOD =/ --[[User:62.255.32.12|62.255.32.12]] 17:08, 30 Aug 2006 (CDT)

:I agree, but until we actually have a concept of what this page will actually be, we are stuck on that. any suggestions? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:09, 30 Aug 2006 (CDT)

is the current portal spifified enough? :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:33, 7 Oct 2006 (CDT)

=='Editors' Section==
At the risk of seeming somewhat uppity, I am worried about this section... I mean, [[User:Makuta Bookworm|one of the 'editors']] on the list has only ever edited the Community Portal and his user page, [[User:Toothless200|another]], excepting the Community Portal, his user page and the sandbox, made two edits, one minor, to the [[Cheeseroller]] article. These two members haven't edited since the 16th March and the 26th June respectively. A [[User:Qazwiz|third]] hasn't been seen sincde the 29th July and only made nine edits to anything other than his user page or the community portal (and was disciplined for at least one of these)...

Frankly, I feel this section could be made useful as a reference for members of the community who are currently active and make significant contributions or were active and made a significant contribution... After all, it may help for a new user to consult such members...

I think at best the Editor's section should be used as a sort of Hall of Fame of editors - no doubt the wrong words to use, but if you can understand from my above comments what I mean... For example, while [[User:Lord Matt|Lord Matt]] hasn't been on for a while, when he was on he made many of the earliest contributions. [[User:Duke of Earl|Duke of Earl]] contributed in a similar manner.

[[User:Mirmadon|Mirmadon]] for her extensive care-taking and [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] for his dedication (when he got the time, anyway ;)).

Oh, and who is that other, tirelessly devoted one? [[User:Jacob|His name escapes me]], but I'm fairly sure he has done more edits than anyone else. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:26, 4 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Had to pump up my ego, did you? ha ha. :D You need not worry of the consequences, as i agree with you. the list as it is isn't very helpful to new members, and actually showing a list of members who have/are contributing well to the NeoDex would be better than an optional signature tag. Something like "Editor Hall of Fame", where admin of the NeoDex point out users whom they believe have done a lot for the NeoDex. or "Notable Editors"...i actually like the sound of "Hall of Fame" really. could always be changed, just as we are now changing what the list is. Should a link to each of these users contributions be shown as well? i'm thinking yes. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:32, 4 Dec 2006 (CST)

:I removed the list from the discussion, seeing as it doesn't really need to be here anymore (can be grabbed from the history if it wants to be seen). The new list of users will be made shortly. Input is always appreciated, and seeing as this will be a new thing, it will be needed. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 19:10, 8 Dec 2006 (CST)

==New categrories and articles==
It's time to think of new categories to add it seems. The final 2 articles in the <s>secrets category</s> don't really fit into any other sections. To help this i think it would be good to make new categories for both of them. One such idea is to have a "guides" category, which would show collected lists of information link the [[Mystery Pic Solutions]] and such. Also, the article [[Old Neopets]] makes me think we can expand on the whole "redesign" idea. New articles called "Neopet Redesigns", "Petpet Redesigns", and other such redesigns can be noted (along with the latest [[Neopets 2.0]]). There can even be an category for articles like this as well.

Just giving some ideas on how we can better organize all the data, and looking for feedback. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:51, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

:Both categories sound good to me. I think they'll work perfectly for the articles left under "secrets" and the others. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 10:33, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

==Versions==
You guys should honestly upgrade your wiki software. I mean, 1.4? 0.o It's 1.10 already out there. [[User:Neoran23|Neoran23]]

:I agree with you. but it's not in my hands, but in the hands of the maintainers of the website. Updating the NeoDex would require updating the main [http://www.pinkpt.com PinkPT] first...which is a process still in the waiting. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:11, 8 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::Uhm, are you sure? I don't think that the wiki version depends on the PHP version installed on the server.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 19:09, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:::From my understanding, you need upgraded PHP to use the newer coding. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading As an example], 1.10 requires PHP 5.0.x or later. Also, i only know what i'm told by the maintainers of PinkPT. If they say they can't update yet, I have to take their word. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:10, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::::Jacob, is there any plan to update the wiki version? I understand that the PHP version on this server is still version 4 as of this post, but I learnt it the hard way that we are unable to resize uploaded images using wikicodes... --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 11:30, 12 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Again, I have no idea when the coding will be updated. This factor should be multiplied considering I've been away for awhile (again, I apologize). It ''would'' be nice to resize images with simple wiki coding, then we could use larger images without worry. But at this point, all we can do is update their sizes manually. Need to find out if this can be changed yet. :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:51, 18 Jun 2008 (CDT)

==Partnership with another wiki==
It has been suggested by the members of the German site helony.com to connect the Neopets articles of the [http://www.helony.com/wiki/ German petgames wiki] respective English ones. For this, you would have to go into the database table which has interwiki in its name, insert hln into the column iw_prefix, http://www.helony.com/wiki/index.php?title=$1 into the column iw_url, leave the other columns blank, then go to the file Names.php ins the languages folder and add
<pre>hln => Helony,</pre> to this list. That would make e.g. <nowiki>[[hln:Neopets]]</nowiki> appear as an interwiki in the sidebar like on Wikipedia. Of course we at Helony would do the same. Please let me know if you are interested in such a partnership :)--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 19:09, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:I think something like this was suggested to me in the past as well by Yukio, saying that other sections were finding affiliates so i could as well. I turned it down, as i didn't think it was nessesary. Think the conversation is in my talk page...i forget. Would like to hear more about this. Are you simply asking for a external link to the german wiki on the NeoDex sidebar? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:10, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::No, I am speaking of a link from every single German Neopets-related article to the respective article on Neodex and vice-versa (not more and not less :D). It would be just a small link in the sidebar, as [http://www.helony.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Himmelsdemon here] the link to my profile on Wikibeta. As I suppose I am the only here, who speaks German, I would set the links myself, I just need the corresponding software changes and of course your approval.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:23, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Similar to the way regular english Wikipedia links to articles in other languages, right? With a "In other languages" box on the sidebar? creating and maintaining other language articles is something i haven't considered, and i've outright deleted articles which were created in other languages in the past here on the NeoDex. Of course, you are saying these articles would link to the article on another wiki, so i suppose that's different than having it on this server.

I just don't know. it's something i haven't bothered to consider, seeing as we already have a lot of work to do on the NeoDex as it is. my apologies on not being more hopeful. :S I do like the idea of having our information be more international, because there are many users out there who i think would like to participate, but can't comprehend the english. A gap we can hope to bridge in the future? Or very soon, should we move ahead with this...*ponders* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:55, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:We could use a template a la [[Wikipedia:Template:Wiktionarypar|those used on Wikipedia to link over to other projects]]... Cross-referencing the Neodex and Helony would be a wonderful step, however it is achieved. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:24, 10 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Macbeth, this solution would be agreeable as well (although a template is actually bigger than a small link in the sidebar :/) So just to be sure, do I have permission to create such a template and add it to existing articles? And is it ok to you if the German wiki just has link to your respective articles as mentioned above? Please note that the German articles are not translations of the Neodex articles, but existing articles on their own.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 20:05, 11 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:I suggested using a template like that as the NeoDex and Helony are managed by different groups... Different projects, as you will, so article standards and approaches would be different. What concerns me about having an 'alternate language' wikilink is that some may think it was a direct translation, and not a separate project...

:I am quite happy for the template idea to go ahead here, although we should probably wait for Yukio or Jacob to report back on it. If Helony would rather use the interwiki form, then that's fine with me, provided it is noted that they are separate projects so things like user accounts, etc, would not be transferable across wikis, etc...

:I was thinking a template on this end of the style of the featured articles template might be good... or something more like the wikipedia template referenced above? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 02:56, 12 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::If you would like to try the template idea for the moment, i'm fine with it. It will give a trail basis to the idea of what you would like to try out. Don't know which articles you would place them on, seeing as you say the articles on Helony aren't going to be exact translations. The Interwiki link sounds more preferrible, doesn't it? ;) Will look into it should i manage to catch up with things. Have a "whole plate of pancakes to eat" or so to speak. :S --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 03:39, 12 Jul 2007 (UTC)

==Under Construction vs. Stub==
It is suggested on the portal that articles that are 'under construction' be built up to a stub - surely it is the other way around? A stub has very little information at all, a bare few words on a topic... An article that is under construction, however, will have specific areas that need to address and are being addressed... if you see what I mean...? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:31, 16 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:You raise a good point. Perhaps we could...have the rules be different here? :S --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 01:31, 17 Oct 2007 (UTC)

::I'm not sure I follow? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 18:52, 17 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:::Have the role of "under construction" and "stub" be switched around. Sorry to confuse. :P Then again, that doesn't really work if someone with wiki know how comes here and gets baffled. What action are you suggesting? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 03:21, 18 Oct 2007 (UTC)

::::We could do that, I suppose, but I fancy it would be a bit confusing... And an under construction article preferable to a stub, I think, as there is a clear indication of where to expand it... I thought we could just ask for under construction articles to be developed into less-under construction articles, to be honest xP --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:16, 19 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:::::I'm thinking the [[Help:Stub]] article needs to be updated to explain the difference once again. :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:42, 19 Oct 2007 (UTC)

==Is this important enough to be added?==
I love [[The Tale of Woe]], and when I was searching for things to add to, I discovered there is no article for ''Hissi oil'', the potions that [[Mr. Krawley]] sold. I'm not sure if this would be important enough to be added, but I'd be happy to add it if it is. --[[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 04:22, 17 Dec 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think there is enough information to make a Hissi Oil article. Nor do I think it's the only potion Krawley makes. It WOULD be interesting if every potion he gave is Hissi Oil, which would mean Hissi have something sinister within them that makes others transform, but as stated, I don't think that is the case. Personally think he's just claiming it as Hissi Oil and how healthy the potion is like most swindlers who would sell anything for a buck. In either case, think it's important to speak about his potions only in his article. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:41, 17 Dec 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, thats what I figured, but I just wanted to cheak. - [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

==Regarding Neopet popularity==
I would like to have some way to notify readers that the Neopet Popularity we reference when discussing the different species of pets is not entirely accurate. The Popularity page itself admits that it only includes created pets, not morphed or labbed, so the numbers can be widely inaccurate... is creating an article about Neopet Popularity the way to go, or is there another article already existing it would be best to tack this onto? I'm a stickler for accuracy and I don't think that anyone in the world would believe that there are really only 2,300 Krawks in all of neopia... (or 12,000 Draiks, for that matter). --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 00:02, 1 Jun 2008 (CDT)

:I feel that we have nothing much to write about if we create an article just for Neopet popularity discrepancy. Since it is near impossible to find out the estimate number of a particular Neopet, I'm thinking of one of the following:
:*Avoid listing the number of Neopet on the Neopet articles.
:*Mention that it's the number of ''created'' Neopet. (ie. created 2,377 Krawks as of October 2007)
:Where is Jacob nowadays? --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:02, 2 Jun 2008 (CDT)

::Well, we ''need'' to mention the number of created Neopets, because it's a notable number. Still, it's obvious it isn't an accurate account, and I suppose this could be mentioned in full on the [[Neopet]] article itself.

::And Jacob has been busy, and very bad at keeping up with things that need doing. Still want to complete and edit the NEoDex, though things have just gotten...complicated...is all. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:51, 18 Jun 2008 (CDT)

:::Haha, it's okay - At least you're back. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:25, 19 Jun 2008 (CDT)

==Image deletion==
I would like to know if there is anyway you could delete the file I uploaded, Old_maraqua.PNG ? I forgot to take away the white background, making it a huge file. I now have a much smaller file, but I was hoping you could get rid of that one first. Thanks! [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

:While trying to rush off for work, I really deleted the image before realising it's not required X(. You can always re-upload the image to Neodex with the same filename, instead of deleting. Anything uploaded to Neodex will not be possible to totally remove from the server. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:02, 2 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Ok, thank you very much! [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

==Battledome Weapons==
Would it be a good idea to create pages for all Battledome weapons? In the Under Construction area, I see many uncreated pages that are about BD weapons and I don't know whether or not I should create pages for them. Should we have some kind of criteria or something before we create pages for weapons? Or would it be best to make pages (such as Freezing Weapons, etc.) and list weapons? These are all just suggestions, though. I'd appreciate some other "opinions" before I do anything :)

[[User:Siouxper|Siouxper]] 01:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

:The only Battledome Weapons we tend to add to the Neodex are ones that tend to be extremely notable like the [[Sword of Skardsen]], [[Ghostkerbomb]], and the [[Attack Pea]] collection. There are several noted item databases as well as battledome databases that chronicle the full list of these items and their effects in battle. In general, we attempt to avoid creating another of them. At some point in the future it might make sense to add examples or lists of the BD weapons sold in each of the weapon/armor shops on those shops' pages but it's not necessary... Perhaps you would be interested in helping us fill in the [[Battledome Equipment]] page? If you see, the [[:Category:Battledome_Equipment]] is not that big and the items tend to be either a notable collection like the [[Scorchstone]]s or [[Hidden Tower]] items. If there are other "groupings" of weapons/armor like the muffins, motes, etc... those would probably be an acceptable addition but please refrain from making a page for every item. :) --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 04:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for the response :) I'll probably do some work on the Battledome Equipment page and fill in information about the shops. One final question: Under the Battledome Equipment Terms section, I have quite a few terms I can add (tank, league, boost, and some others), but these terms usually apply only to "experienced" Battledomers (people who BD a lot). Would it be best if I added these terms or just left them out? [[User:Siouxper|Siouxper]] 12:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Those terms refer to experienced play, in which they are used to quickly explain strategy and the like, so refraining from using them would be best. External links to websites where people use them, explain them and etc. is fine though. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

==Attacks on User Lookup talk page==
The most recent attack (31 August 2008, around 12pm UTC) all came from a common ISP, which ranges from 194.8.74.0 - 194.8.75.255. We might have to prevent anonymous editing for the whole range for a period of time if the problem persist.

Or are we going to block all (except logged in users) from editing, like what we did before the mediawiki was upgraded? I'm not too sure about this anymore... Wiki is supposed to be allowed for all to modify. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 05:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:One of the many things which I miss was the necessary creation of an account in order to edit the NeoDex, simply because it made things a whole lot easier to maintain. Hopefully it can be brought back into the fold. All should be able to modify articles, yes, but it seems others are ruining that freedom. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Some spammer is adding gibberish to pages, at least I guess it's one person using a lot of accounts, because it's got a pattern. The accounts which I suspect to be used by him are[[User:CacroLvich]], [[User:SitzeLnoli]], [[User:CnaalErour]], [[User:OlozeLalac]] and [[User:RobocRacch]]. And I think he also was DomtaOrelt, RonopAsbod, AcelrOalcv, OuricDronv and a lot of other spam accounts, like RictaDarsi, who created a lot of spam pages. Could anyone do something against him? --[[User:Likiana|Likiana]] 14:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I probably was wrong when saying it was one user who added the spam to pages - my new guess it's a bot network or something. When users get blocked like all those vandals, account creation is disabled, so they have to use another computer to sign up again, and I don't think that vandal has 16 or more computers. My guess is that he's a hacker/cracker who controls a bot network or something comparable. Just wanted to correct what I said. --[[User:Likiana|Likiana]] 17:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:I only ''wish'' it were that easy to prevent vandalism! Sort of like the movie Minority Report, we stop the vandals before they strike hehe. Unless there's something I don't know about I guess the only way is to deal with the spam as they come and hopefully it will stop soon. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 05:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

::We could implement the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA reCAPTCHA], which can greatly reduces the amount of vandalisms, while still allowing anonymous users to edit. By default, the reCAPTCHA will apply to anonymous edits with links (which we are currently encountering), new accounts (we had this problem in the past when we disallowed anonymous editing, and it came back briefly recently as mentioned by Likiana), and brute force attack on accounts. If that is not enough, we can further implement reCAPTCHA on new page creations and all edits. Registered users on the other hand, will not be affected by this reCAPTCHA. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== New Head/additional Head Admin needed ==
I can no longer give the necessary attention to this wiki that it deserves. Plenty of you can attest to that. So, I need to hand the torch to someone that can. I know I've been the go to guy for pretty much all questions and situations, mostly due to the fact I've built the wiki from the ground up. Now that my life is filled with complete fail, however, someone else must be able to take up the task of keeping things in order.

From what I've seen, the "head" of the admins needs to keep articles and links in order, thinking about the whole of the wiki, and discovering new and better ways to present and archive data. Requires a diverse understanding of what articles are within the NeoDex, and wiki coding. Good social skills help as well, because nothing makes things more confusing than someone who can't explain something well. This socially stunted man can attest to that.

As I haven't been here in awhile, I don't know who has been keeping the most tabs with things, so I think it would be good to hear from the rest of you how the status quo should change. Again, this isn't an all powerful position in which you can do whatever you please. The Head Admin is just like every other Admin...with more emphasis. Of course, if that's the case, must there BE a "head"? Discuss Any and all thoughts you may have.

My apologies for having it take so long, but I'm officially putting my foot down and saying someone else must take the job of Head Admin. Or stand in. Or become an additional. Whatever. However it's going to be. Just hope we can discover a solution so that the wiki won't suffer anymore due to my failings. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

:I will go ahead and say that I am sure many will agree that nothing you have done can be considered a failing. It is more a... concurrence of unlucky circumstances.
:That said, we need to come up with a candidate for a new head admin. I can imagine four candidates: [[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] ([[Special:Contributions/Macbeth|contribs]]), [[User:Emeraldosprey|Emeraldosprey]] ([[Special:Contributions/Emeraldosprey|contribs]]), [[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ([[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contribs]]), and [[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] ([[Special:Contributions/Dizzy|contribs]]). They all have their different pros and cons (please don't take offense).
:*Macbeth: Oldest ([http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights Rights log]) sysop after Kym and Jacob, therefore has the most experience. Sadly not very much active during the recent time.
:*Emeraldosprey: Shows very much and constant dedication, is however the "youngest" sysop.
:*SwordFire: Is generally experienced with coding, which includes not only wiki coding, but PHP. Therefore most likely to come up with new ideas and to have them implemented. However, slightly less active than Emeraldosprey.
:*Dizzy: Has always made a reliable impression. One could only complain at the fact that most of her recent contributions are reverts.

:Regarding possible other candidates: I think we all agree that the new head admin needs to be a present admin. While [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] has not contributed for over 2 (!) years, [[User:Cath|Cath]] shows large times of activity followed by equally long inactivity. While I simply show inactivity and currently don't have the time for being a head admin.
:I hope I did't say something that anybody took offense for. Discuss.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

::Mostly reverts shouldn't be an issue here. We are all doing mostly reverts recently due to spam attacks :P.
::Recently I've to concentrate on my other commitment due to the upcoming Firefox 3.1. I usually becoming less active whenever a new Firefox version is going to be release. During at this time, I'll still be monitoring the Neodex via the RSS. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 07:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I still have some other people to contact, because I don't think this is reaching enough ears at this point. I loathe not being able to focus enough time on things like this... :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:Sorry about the late response (thanks for reminding me Demon)! I don't know, I've never been the leader type. It seems like most of us have been too busy to devote time to the NeoDex and all we can do is revert. I've been focusing most of my attention on school as my grades have, erm, "slipped" ;P I hope to make up for my absence during the summer which is unfortunately a long ways off. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 19:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

::While I am touched to have been mentioned here, I do not think I would be able to give the NeoDex the regular attention that I gave it circa 2006 and 2007, the level of attention that you all undoubtedly deserve from me - of course, Jacob's shoes would be very hard for any of us to fill. My involvement both with Neopets and the Neodex has been unacceptably sub-par recently, for which I apologise unreservedly, but I am afraid that it was and is unavoidable due to conditions in my personal life at the moment, the details of which (for the sake of brevity and not wishing to sound too self-indulgent) I will spare you.

::I am willing to do what I can here - I still check in with what time I can spare to pursue the recent changes - but my usefulness is no doubt heavily limited by how I am not keeping up with the Neopets site itself.

::No one can replace the hard work put in by Jacob, who nurtured the Neodex out of its infancy to blossom into what is, truth be told, almost a self-supporting project. Whether he can be active in his role or not, Jacob is and will remain, as much as he ever was, the Head Admin: the Neodex is truly his brain child. All anyone else can hope to do is to fill in in the mean time.

::Our admins and our editors have by themselves been keeping an eye out for vandalism, and still able to fulfil the primary objectives of this wiki - to expand, and to improve, its coverage of all things Neopets, and to become the a one-stop resource for Neopians everywhere. I would suggest if we are looking for someone to fill in the roles of promoting new editors to sysops, being the go-to-person on Neodex policy, and directing the Neodex's development in the future, then I any of our sysops are qualified for the job. I give my personal endorsement and faith to [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&username=&group=sysop&limit=50 them all].

::On a personal note, while I may not have an active presence on the site as I once did, I ''will'' appear from time to time, and you are all at liberty to contact me - you should be able to e-mail me through the Neodex [[Special:Emailuser/Macbeth|here]], which should also be linked on my user-page in to toolbox on the bottom left - if you would ever like to call on me to address something specific around here - you have total access to my consultancy :).

::I hope I find you all well, and I hope that both Jacob and I will be able to eventually give the Neodex more consistent ministration. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 16:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I personally don't see the need for a "head admin" as the wiki seems to run fine even in Jacob's absence. During the recent spam attacks, all admins here worked together to keep the site clean of spam even though there was no "leader" to organize them. I don't see why this cannot continue in the future. Any thoughts? --[[User:Emeraldosprey|Emeraldosprey]]

::::As much as I whole-heartedly agree with ''nearly'' every aspect of what Macbeth has said (thumbs up!), there is one issue I'd like to bring up. You said "if we are looking for someone to fill in the roles of promoting new editors to sysops..." The problem currently is, that sysops cannot promote members. Only bureaucrats can, that is, [[User:Yukio|Kym]] and [[User:Jacob|Jacob]]. I don't know whether Jacob will be online often enough to fulfill these duties, and I believe Kym doesn't have the time to look for possible sysop candidates. Of course we as the sysops could always come to Kym with a full-reasoned proposal so that he can promote the people. Question is whether he would be willing to go through the hassle of doing this every time.

::::So I have to ask you, Jacob, do you think you can ensure that deserving members of the community are promoted to sysops whenever necessary - without us having to go to Kym every time this needs to happen? If yes, I can say with a clear conscience that I don't have any objections to the situation staying like it currently is :) --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Kym has enough on his hands to have the sole responsibility of promoting regular editors to admin, especially when he doesn't regularly edit articles here. I assume he's expecting we as the editing community to govern ourselves in such a way to work independently of the rest of PinkPT. Which I suppose brings up the need to have someone else to "lead" besides myself. Still haven't heard any news from him or the rest of the staff yet, and I'm a little worried at that, but I'm hoping a solution can be found and continued (improved?) flow of information can continue. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

:Well, it might be a good idea to raise it at the next AIM meeting, then. I mean, the Neodex has always been a bit independent, but I can appreciate the value for his input. It may be sensible to promote a few of the current sysops to buearocrats, make sure the Neodex is regularly backed up, and hope no one goes completely mad with power! ;) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

::Hi guys, Kym here. Apologies about the tardy response - I was involved in a car accident in South America, was in surgery for a week, and have arrived back in Australia for about two weeks now - the recovery involving many doctor appointments.

::Before I left for South America, I initiated a change in the staff system at PPT, and have spent the past two weeks implementing the changes etc. All staff here are required to sign up at http://www.pinkpt.com/forum - make sure you PM me your username so I can give you access to the private staff board. All staff decisions will be made from there. As I check that board every day now, I can be contacted if anyone ever needs me.

::The appointment of Jacob's replacement is necessary - and I will be working with all staff here at the NeoDex to assure that the transition goes smoothly. Anyone interested in Jacob's position should email me kym@kymhuynh.com with their application. If anyone here has recommendation or issues at the NeoDex that they feel needs to be addressed, I can also be contacted via my email. Note, however, that this is only temporary. In the future, all communication will be at the staff board @ http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/

::Thanks for your patience guys and I look forward to your emails. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 03:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Hi guys. As I have received no applications from any current staff from the NeoDex, I will now open up applications for the new NeoDex Administrator to a wider audience at the Pink Poogle Toy community. The posting will be made here: http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=53 --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 09:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Administrator applications have now closed. A big welcome to Macbeth, our new NeoDex Administrator! --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 14:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

== Patrolling edits ==

Could you guys help me partolling edits, please? To do that more efficiently, go to [[Special:Recentchanges|Recentchanges]] and click the "Hide patrolled edits" link. Just go through the changes that have an exclamation mark next to them and click the "diff" link.
I'd like to have every edit patrolled because we might else let things slip past, like [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Lutari&diff=prev&oldid=35187 that edit] which broke a link.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 22:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, so that's what those exclamation points mean :P I've been battling with these edits and this sure makes things easier! --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 04:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== Daily Dare ==
Wondering if one page needs to be made with all relevant info about previous years challenges.
at the moment, there is only a [[Daily Dare 2007]] page which i have edited slightly to include new info about 2009's challenges. Perhaps the page title needs to only be changed?
[[User:Corythepaperboy|Corythepaperboy]] 06:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wiki protection ==

Maybe we should set the wiki to allowing registered users only and require new accounts to be confirmed by sysops before they can edit? I know I have seen that option in the documentation somewhere, would have to dig around a bit...--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 17:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:Requiring accounts to be sysop-activated seems a bit far - plus, how are we meant to distinguish the accounts that ''will'' become good users from the ones that will not, based on no edits? Forcing registration again sounds like a good idea, though. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 19:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

::Well, the main reason why I suggested activation by hand was that we might get mass registrations like [[User:EltroRolri]], [[User:OuricDronv]], [[User:OlotrVarac]] etc (see [[Special:Logs/Block]] from January 8th). I will wait for more feedback for now and then talk to Kym about that. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 20:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:::In most cases, these kind of accounts were created using a bot, which can be prevented by implementing something random like [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit |ConfirmEdit] and [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA reCAPTCHA]]. We can further extend it to anonymous edits to prevent anonymous bots from editing. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 01:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Thanks SwordFire :D If no one has any objections, I will mention it to Kym on the next staff meeting.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 09:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Update: I have now implemented reCAPTCHA. It should be triggered on registration and whenever external links are added. I think that should make blocking anonymous users obsolete. That can still be implemented if necessary.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 14:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::Great work! :) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 21:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::This should stop most attacks except blanking and random text (which both of them do not include external links). So long as these two do not go out of control, we can just stay as it is. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 15:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

== Now Accepting Applications for NeoDex administrator position ==

We are now looking for a new Admin for the NeoDex. If any of you would like to take a swing at the job please apply, [http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38634]!
--[[User:Unspecialfish|unspecialfish]] 02:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Avatar items? ==
Do you think that popular avvie items such as the [[Zafara Double Agent Plushie]] and [[Faerie Queen Doll]] should have their own articles on the NeoDex? Idk, because there are popular Hidden Tower items' articles and it would definitely not make sense if FQD didn't have its' own article. [[User:A Neezles A|Charlotte xoxo]] 22:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

:These items are notable, but in my opinion do not have a lot of information to become an article. They can be combine with [[Zafara Double Agent]] and [[Faerie Queen]] respectively, under a sub-header. We can then redirect [[Zafara Double Agent Plushie]] and [[Faerie Queen Doll]] to these two main articles. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

::Oh, and please delete this page: [[Winnner's curse]] [[User:A Neezles A|Charlotte xoxo]] 03:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Article deleted. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== User block ==

Any sysop can possibly block [[User:64.231.10.29]]? On Aug 31 2009 s/he has been adding false information to [[Shenkuu]]. Thank you! [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 18:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== Move restriction ==

To prevent (future) grief to everyone here, I'm going to request for a move restriction to new Nexdex accounts. This will prevent anybody from create a new account just to start moving articles all over the place. I'll not mention how long will it take for an account to be allowed to move an article though.

This will take some time to implement, depending on how fast Kym access the server and make the modification. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:I love this idea, but I don't know, Hagrid a.k.a Wheeler a.k.a. Tewapack a.k.a Willy on Wheels a.k.a. 'B Neezles B' might stop doing the move mess-up and start to vandalise pages, remove content, and that kind of stuff. And this option can't really be done because I think Wikipedia doesn't have this kind of thing. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::SwordFire, you are the greatest. *grovels at your feet* If Wheels of whatever he goes by starts to do any of that stuff, it is a lot easier (and less confusing) to undo it. If this request is approved I will definitely sleep sounder at night ;) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 16:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Also, don't forget that he might stop this moving business and start vandalising. He did change dung into $|-|17, you know. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Another restriction that I can think of is to request all Neodex users to add an email account and confirm it. That way, Vandals have to go through several steps before he/she can do some damage. But I'll need to look into this first.

::::As for the vandalism, the only way to partially prevent this is to implement a full lockdown (ie. no anonymous edit, account approval by sysop, etc.), which I do not really prefer. Moreever, those accounts which sysop approved might be vandals themselves. But I'm open for suggestions. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::BTW, a vandal may start being helpful, try to go admin, and then start vandalizing with admin powers and deleting the good pages and creating bad ones, and protect them. Or we could just block moving for non-admins all along. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::At the moment, I don't think anybody is going to be promoted to sysop, unless we have an active bureaucrat first. As at the moment, the two bureaucrats in Neodex might not be able to act fast enough to stop a rogue sysop, since they have to concentrate on the whole pinkpt site. But that is beside the point. Right now, we have to do something to the current situation first. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::::In Wikipedia, only autoconfirmed users are allowed to edit certain pages, and the autoconfirmed requirement is having registered for 4 days and made 10 edits. Is the option available which all editing is restricted to autoconfirmed users? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 18:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::If you think about it, if you only allow editing (for all articles) for autoconfirmed users and above, it is almost similar to kicking everybody (except bureaucrats, sysops and users who are already autoconfirmed) out of Neodex. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::I agree, because wikis are meant to be edited by ''everyone'', and if this would be done I'd only put this restriction on CERTAIN articles... [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 18:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::::Maybe this could be done to featured articles only, since they're common targets? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 19:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::I think the only pages with this restriction should be the ones with five or more vandalism targets. It wouldn't be fair if I.P. people who don't want to create an account can't edit featured articles. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 19:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:Just hang on - I've already informed Kym that this is an urgent case. He must be out on Saturday. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 19:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for the emails guys and the prompt alert. Changes that were suggested and have been implemented are as follows: (1) Move restrictions are in place on new NeoDex accounts; (2) Accounts which are (sensitive info removed) are able to move articles; and (3) Sysops and Bureaucrats are now able to use the CheckUser extension.--[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 13:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Thank you Kym, I am really happy to know that this batch of vandalism will be the last I have to deal with :D I don't know how this CheckUser extension works but thanks all the same! --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 13:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I'll explain it to you through the forum PM. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 13:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Thanks, I'll know what I'm doing now haha :) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 16:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we could also get [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newuserlog Extension:Newuserlog]? It is particularly useful because it (theoretically) logs when a user creates a sockpuppet. There might be ways to get around it, though. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 23:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== Vandalism Investigation ==

Sorry for not blocking the vandal earlier, but I've been collecting information regarding the attacks. Now that I've seen enough, I'm blocking the IP range of a certain ISP for two weeks. User using that ISP will not be able to edit or register an account during this period of time. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 01:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:It seems to be very effective. The vandal hasn't vandalized for almost a whole week. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pink]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|girl]][[User:Pinkgirl34/NQII Walkthrough|34]] 21:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

==Recent deletion of this page==
Don't you guys think deleting all versions of this page is kinda overkill just to hide a few? Wouldn't it have been better to restore '''all''' versions except the ones with sensitive info in question?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:That is a little rough, I have to agree. Though, I forget if that's possible with the current coding. Still trying to clear out the dust n dirt which gathered from my months of not being here. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Delete ==

Um, I just wanted to know if you can delete this page. http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Altador_cup_4&redirect=no

I know this is a stupid request but well I just feel that the c should be capitalize and I can't edit it and change it so the only thing I can think of is to delete it but I don't know how. So can you? [[User:Ashpoke|Ashpoke]]

:I've moved the page to capital lettered C. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 02:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

::Uh oh, you've just created what we call a "double redirect." [[User:A Neezles A|--Destiny]] 03:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

:::I've fixed the double redirect; re-redirected [[Altador cup 4]] to [[Altador Cup IV]] because it's still a plausible redirect. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 21:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

::::Wait, the link still has a lowercase '''c''' though for cup still. So you guys can't change it to an uppercase then? [[User:Ashpoke|Ashpoke]]

:::::The only way the page can be permanently changed to uppercase is if you rename the lowercase page to an uppercase letter and have an administrator delete the lowercase page. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 20:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

::::::Deleted! :)--[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 22:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Thanks! --[[User:Ashpoke|Ashpoke]]

== Question about Requirements for Sysops ==
I have a question: What are the requirements for becoming a sysop? It doesn't seem to be posted on this website. For example, how many edits are required and how long does the user have to be on NeoDex in order for someone to promote them to a sysop? Thanks, [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 20:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:In the moment I don't think anyone will be as there is only one bureaucrat on the site right now. [[User:A Neezles A|--Destiny]] 21:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::I see. And it seems like the only active bureaucrat hasn't edited for a month. However, is there a way to contact a bureaucrat? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl34]] 01:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Requirements are a good understanding of wiki coding, understanding of the NeoDex itself, sensible mind and good communications skills. That's in summary at least. I know this has been asked before, but I forget where. In essence, should you be a trusted and capable editor (and should one be needed), such an editor will be considered. Then again, that's how I recall it, and I'm not part of that anymore, so... :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 04:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

:::I think the easiest way is having an active sysop suggest you on the staff board, since technically speaking, Kym is still a bureaucrat and might promote you.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 02:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

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==Front Page Revised==
Front page is going under revision. it's cluttered and sloppy, and i'm going to try and fix that in the next few days. Help where you can, especially with putting character/game pages in their proper [[:Special:Categories|categories]]. Hope to have this settled soon enough...--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:24, 6 Mar 2006 (CST)

:Front page is continuing to be revised. This talk page has also been cleared of old discussions...--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 10:35, 31 Mar 2006 (CST)

Could we do something with the front page to make it look more exciting? It's looking a little empty at the moment and it's a shame it doesn't reflect the quality of articles that is now offered at the NeoDex.--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 13:44, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

:I know what you mean. Will look into the next few days and see what can be done. really should take a look at it, as i already made a promise to revise it, at least to myself that is *whaps head*...hmmm...--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:22, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

Okay, I think I'm going to put in a news/FAQ design similar to http://www.tmbw.net/ except with a FAQ instead of that "Getting Started" section. Just an idea for you guys. Thoughts?--[[User:Hermioneelovesron|Hermioneelovesron]] 06:12, 26 Jun 2006 (CDT)

::How about we have some sort of Frontpage Sandbox page where we can all mess around and tinker with how maybe the front page should look? '''--[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 21:34, 24 Jul 2006 (CDT)'''

::Alright, I sorta took it upon myself to create that sandbox idea I had on a sub-userpage [[User:NeoEva88/frontpage|here]]. I think it looks good, of course I'd still love some suggestions though. I personally think it's kinda short, but I dunno what other content should be put on there. '''--[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 22:38, 24 Jul 2006 (CDT)'''

:I like it, good work. It is a bit short, I would just put a bit of whitespace beneath it so it seems to not end so abruptly, at least in the meantime... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 04:35, 25 Jul 2006 (CDT)

I Like it too. Much more appealing to the eye than what i've had on the front page. :D Shall the "blah blah blah" section be random links? Also, should it be a featured article in the box on the right? it would require to edit the main page every week, which really isn't a big deal though. just wondering what it is we want, as this does seem promising. *thumbs up* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:24, 25 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:We could use a Template:Featured, and copy the text into it each week... Or move it there, or something... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 16:05, 25 Jul 2006 (CDT)

::Yeah, a Template:Featured or some equivalent would work better. That's how the Uncyclopedia front page works. Also, the blah links were actually just space fillers because I thought there might be more Special pages or navigation pages we should link to up there, but I didn't know them. '''--[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 16:24, 25 Jul 2006 (CDT)'''

::I thought maybe to lengthen the front page design we could have a quote of the day section, I got the idea from Wookiepedia. Maybe there aren't too many good quotes for Neopets though, I dunno. I have a little filler box on the bottom of the page that can be used for something. Any other suggestions? '''--[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:25, 27 Jul 2006 (CDT)'''

:''Dance Party''!? I'm not quite sure how to respond to that :P! I hope it's only a temporary feature... :S --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 23:20, 29 Jul 2006 (CDT)

Yeah...''Dance Party''...I was bored. :S *ahem* And i've actually made it a permenant feature via [[:Template:Funfiller|template]]. I thought it would be a fun thing for the front page, as it serves two purposes: filler, and fun. will be changing every week along with the featured article...at least that's my intention. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 11:44, 30 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:I had an idea for a bit of filler... having a row of 100x100 px images, 'snapshots' of each world, with a link to their respective NeoDex page... One thing I think we should avoid would be a list of 'dailies' and links to them... Every fansite, guild homepage, etc etc seems to have them on their front page :P. --[[User:84.13.33.212|84.13.33.212]] 13:36, 30 Jul 2006 (CDT)

::Ohh nice idea for the front page.--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 09:40, 31 Jul 2006 (CDT)

Should be mentioned that the Wishing Well text in bold doesn't actually link to the featured article, it should. '''--[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 20:31, 6 Aug 2006 (CDT)'''

=="Wockypedia"?==
Whereas [[wikipedia:Wookieepedia|Wookieepedia]] is the name of the Star Wars Wiki, could we rename the Neopets Wiki to "'''Wockypedia'''"? --[[wikipedia:User:Shultz IV|Shultz IV of Wikipedia]] 21:11, 3 May 2006 (CDT)

:At the moment, '''NeoDex''' is the current name, and will stay that way for the unforseen future.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:44, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

:: Funny, I was actually thinking about that name recently - but I thinks the NeoDex has started to become a name synonymous with a Neopets Encyclopedia ;)--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 13:44, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

::: I say it should stay NeoDex, because it's just a whole lot easier to type than Wockypedia. --[[User:LifetimeMembership|LifetimeMembership]]

::I've said it before, I think, but I'm all in favour of 'In-depth Neopedia'. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 04:35, 25 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:::You know, I like name too - it reminds me to keep departments naming consistent - but that would mean I would have to re-name all the departments such as neopool to in-depth colours and avatar catalog to in-depth avatars arrgh @_@--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 18:29, 27 Jul 2006 (CDT)

::Oh, I don't know. 'In-depth Trophy Catalogue' has a certain ring to it, I think (:P). Well, 'in-depth rainbow pool' and 'in-depth avatar guide', perhaps... Eh, maybe not :P. Those are both topics which it isn't really possible to get 'in-depth' about, is it? Were you to rename the NeoDex (in that fashion), you could always move the neopool and avatar sections down from full 'department' status to more of a sort of 'guide' level, as they are not so much as a ''collection'' of guides (as IDNQ, IDB, and, of course, the NeoDex ''are'') rather a guide in themselves (if my overworked memory serves me correctly, I believe that the avatar catalogue, at least, used to be just a page in the guides section - although I do not recall whether it was actually listed in the guide section: I remember there used to a link at the top of the PPT main page, or rather, above the news entries, not exactly the ''top'' of the page)... Although, having said that, the approach to the site designs of the neopool and avatar catalogue does have some element of a... hierarchy, if you will - their own sections - that would be difficult (although not necessarily impossible) to integrate within the main body of PPT (I suppose it would really depend on the limits of how your CMS structures the guides themselves, presuming you use a CMS rather than do all the modifications by hand - the PPT NeoDex article is blank on the issue). They could remain 'separate' from the core of PPT but just be listed in guides, I suppose. Mind you, if these sections are headed by two volunteers (other than yourself, Yukio) in much the way Jacob heads the NeoDex, they could become a bit... Miffed, at having their distinction curtailed, if you follow. Of course, another way to go about it would be to divided the departments into two sections, not necessarily a formal boundary per se, but possibly one. Or you could integrate the Neopool and Avatar Catalogue (and trophy catalogue, I suppose) into one bigger section... In-depth Collectibles, perhaps? Sorry, I appear to be blabbering o_O --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 23:20, 29 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:::Phew! Long paragraph, but worth of course :) Constructive ideas always appreciated of course as it only betters the site. I'll read this through closely and then see what I can implement.--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 09:41, 31 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Article Suggestion==
Item Registry. Y'know, a huge list of all Neopia's items sorted by type (neohome, food, faerie quests, toys, etcetera etcetera). I'd be willing to undertake the majority of it, with some help. -[[User:LifetimeMembership|LifetimeMembership]]

:There is already an article titled [[Item]], where wiki links to each of type of item can be talked about, and there is also a [[:category:Items|category]] for items, but the NeoDex, will ''not'' be a place for listing all the items of Neopets. maybe in the future, but at this time i see no such thing. articles for items ''can'' be made, but only noteable items, as i'm sure an article titled "Bread" as in the food item bread is a waste of space. And if one really wants a list of all the items of Neopets, all they have to do is go to [[NeoItems.net]]. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:54, 9 Jul 2006 (CDT)

::Oh, okay then. -[[User:LifetimeMembership|LifetimeMembership]]

:Perhaps a page for each of the hidden tower items? Other that that, I agree wholeheartedly with Jacob.--[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 04:35, 25 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Neodex logo?==
What should we do for the Neodex logo? Is the general consensus that the Blumaroo stays? I don't happen to like the Blumaroo much, and it's not a good logo to put in other places. Just a thought. '''--[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:23, 27 Jul 2006 (CDT)'''

:I think the Blumaroo writing on a paper is fine, and doesn't need to be updated. If it should recieve more negative feedback though, i'm wondering what it would be changed to. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 11:57, 27 Jul 2006 (CDT)

::I'm happy for a change, if we can get in a better logo :)--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 18:27, 27 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:How about a Blumaroo sitting at a desk with a quill, constructed entirely of pieces of a jigsaw a la the wikipedia/uncyclopedia logos? Or virtupets space station constructed of such. It's almost spherical, so it could be identified easily with the wikipedia logo, and being spherical it would not be too difficult to create the logo to a high level of precision for it to be identifiable, and the Vitrupets space station is a recognisable icon of Neopia. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 23:20, 29 Jul 2006 (CDT)

::Now that is a really good idea! Anyone here do graphic artistry by any chance?--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 09:42, 31 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:::Yeah, I was thinking about Virtupets a bit too, something round at least. I don´t like the idea of it being made out of jigsaw pieces though, it doesn´t need to be ''that'' much like Wikipedia. I just think something round that would seem a bit suggestive would work. (The [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Wookiepedia] logo being an excellent example.) '''--[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 11:49, 1 Aug 2006 (CDT)'''

I think it should be one faerie from each type... that would be cool. Who agrees? --unsigned by 71.92.99.181 03:37, 5 May 2007

:At the moment, a new logo isn't in the works, but ideas are always welcome. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:08, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

::I've added a new logo to the NeoDex --> It's an Ixi readin a big dusty book / tomb. You know how cool those tombs get. :) At least now there isn't the default image that use to be there. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 14:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

==Front Page Revamp 8/1/2007==
Can we revert to the old version while the page is being overhauled? And have possibly new versions on subpages for a later editor review? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:41, 1 Aug 2007 (UTC)

:I don't know...I'm kind of smitten with the new look (duh, it's mine ;P ). But if there are some tidbits to go over before it goes fully up, I suppose it's fair. All the same, what do you think of what I currently set up? I took out a lot of links in the summariezed TOC, seeing as it was originally random. Where would you like the "testing zone" for the new front page look to be? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 01:04, 1 Aug 2007 (UTC)

::It's nice, yeah, although the way the featured template is much longer than its adjacent box detracts from it a bit. I just think that if we are going to overhaul the front page, the change could be a bit more drastic, hence would probably need general consensus ;¬). --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 19:02, 1 Aug 2007 (UTC)

==NeoDex coding updated==
It would seem the NeoDex coding has been updated...wh00t? :D Though it seems a lot of things have changed, along with some things that seem broken. It will be dealt with in due time I am sure, but for now, I'm glad to see progress is being made for this. What does everyone else think? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 10:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:Yup, the PHP and mediawiki are now updated ^^. New wikicodes are now accessible (We can finally resize image without modifying the original image). --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 10:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

::Image URLs no longer form the embedded image, though. This is going to take a lot of work to fix, as it's quite a widespread issue, but hopefully it'll pay off in the long run. It's worse on pages such as [[Altador Cup II]] where the images not being displayed in line are causing some layout issues. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 02:01, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:::I've enabled the upload function again which was disabled when the back-end was upgraded. Should be working again. I'll also get a graphic designer to design a new WIKI logo. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 04:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

::::Unfortunately the upload feature is still disabled at the moment. As for the embedded image, we do have a choice of [[wikipedia:Help:Images_and_other_uploaded_files#Embedding_external_images|enabling it again]] if required. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:::::Thanks for the link to fixing the code. I've enabled embedding images again so that should fix up a lot of the issues right there. :) The uploading feature has also been enabled again. (Upgrading the code had some slight code changes which set a couple of things to their default values. If there is anything you guys ever want switched on/off, just leave a note here. :) --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 08:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

::::::They're working now, thank you. :) But for some strange reason, some articles still do not display the embedded images even though their history do. We'll just have to manually re-save those articles again to bring back the embedded images... --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 09:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

The one thing I do miss is the necessary log in of users in order to have them even edit articles. Now we're back to the age of having IPs edit articles. What's everyone's view on this? Has it been good or bad overall? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 07:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

==Nominating this page for protection?==
I'm not really sure how to request this or anything, so I'll just post it here and see what people think. It seems this page (Talk: Main Page) has been the target of a lot of vandalism. Maybe you guys could semi-protect it? I don't really know how it all works, so feel free to critique my idea :P
[[User:Siouxper|Siouxper]] 21:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Requesting such a thing can be done here on on an admins talk page. I've made the necessary protections in either case. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 07:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

::Thank you for the quick response :) Next time, I'll be sure to do it in the right place :P Sorry for posting it in the wrong place [[User:Siouxper|Siouxper]] 14:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

== Oldddddddddd Wiki ==

Wow, this place hasn't been edited for a while, like if it was abandoned. I mean, the Main Page hasn't been edited for 1½ years!!!--[[User:Ogrin|Ogrin]] 23:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, really. The featured article hasn't changed since the wiki was founded. -- [[User:10-Volt|10-Volt]] 01:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

:I can assure you it's not abandoned, [[Special:Recentchanges|changes are taking place all the time]]. And the featured article has [[NeoDex:Featured Articles|changed a lot]]... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 03:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

== Seriously ==
Why are we inline linking from Neopets? Just want to steal the bandwidth? [[User:4Ply|4Ply]] 23:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:The point of [[Special:Imagelist|wiki images]] is so that we don't use their bandwidth. If you see any normal images, upload them onto the NeoDex: [[Special:Upload]], [[NeoDex:Image use policy]] --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 23:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Admin Change Coming ==

The status quo is changing in the admin department, and we want your thoughts and opinons! Head over to the [[NeoDex_talk:Community_Portal#New_Head.2Fadditional_Head_Admin_needed|talk page of the community portal]] to have your say, and see history in the making! There will be cake. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:08, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

==2009 revamp==

I'm looking to remodel the front page and a bit of how the wiki works over the next few weeks... Part of some of the things I've been talking about with Kym to link in better with the Pink Poogle Toy community, and hopefully to make everything look a bit fresher and more accessible to new editors. So, heads up, intention in writing. ;) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Looks very nice! :) I thought PinkPT was dead (seeing the boards), but I'll perhaps contribute here now. --[[Special:Contributions/207.177.111.34|207.177.111.34]] 17:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

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[[User talk:A Neezles A/Archive1]]

=Massages=

== Greetings from Jacob ==

Greetings! Just thought I would stop by and say hello. If you are unaware, I am Jacob, former admin of the NeoDex. It's been awhile since I've been around, and while I don't know what's really happened between now and then, I still have some articles I've been meaning to touch upon. It's good to see you've taken to the NeoDex, and have even made use of the username space provided to users. And I thought only I and a few others would do so. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 06:35, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

:Hiya there Jacob. Yes I have read the NeoDex before and I do know you. I wondered about your long absence somehow.

== [[User:Hagrid835]] ==
Hi, just wondering, should we tag his sockpuppets and request for them to be blocked even if they are not used for vandalism but are used for good faith edits? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pink]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|girl]][[User:Pinkgirl34/NQII Walkthrough|34]] 16:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Nope. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC) Good faith edits should always be welcome.

::And to be sure the accounts are sock, mind you. No socks please, but be sure something is a sock at least. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:::My suggestion is that you please leave the good faith edits there, since you said above earlier that good faith edits are always welcome. For example, this user has reverted vandalism by another IP, and by reverting him you've just placed the vandalism back on the page, as shown [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Neopets%3A_The_Official_Magazine&diff=47866&oldid=47860 here]. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pink]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|girl]][[User:Pinkgirl34/NQII Walkthrough|34]] 00:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

They should be blocked/deleted/suspended/etc. to begin with since they are targeting a single editor who they are not. ''That'' is the point. If they are the same person...then we have an issue. The edits can stay ''if they are valid'', but whoever that editor is ''cannot'' and '''will not''' edit from an account that pokes at another editor. '''''Final'''''. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 00:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, Jacob. --[[User:A Neezles A|Destiny]] 00:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::I see. I agree that they should be blocked because their usernames are obviously inappropriate. But I suggest keeping the edits, just like what you suggested earlier. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pink]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|girl]][[User:Pinkgirl34/NQII Walkthrough|34]] 01:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I'll block the user then but leave a message as to why the block is there. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 04:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

==Game Infobox Template==
I'm just wondering, what's the proper way of using the template format? Thanks. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 02:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:Sample game infobox:

<pre>
{{Infobox Game| GameImage=gameimage
|GameID=gameid
|World=gameworld
|Categories=gamecategories
|Ratio=gameratios}}
</pre>

[[User:A Neezles A|--Destiny]] 04:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:testing raw siggy one two three Destiny 21:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

==Deletion???==

So, it's neopets related, and it's on his own user page... I'm not sure why you felt the need to delete it. You have lists of random stuff on your user page... -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 21:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
:Those things don't exist though. I'm sorry. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny]] 22:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

::The Blue Kacheek Group does exist. Maybe it's his fan-fic. The links to pages should go, but the rest is as relevant as you listing your NFs, the people you hate, and your nicknames. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 23:33, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

::I think it has always been policy that a user is free to do on his user page whatever he pleases, as long as he doesn't break any rules (such as, but not limited to: create unnecessary links, uses his page only for advertising, pretend he is another user or a celebrity, use curse words etc...). I agree a clarification is needed, since it isn't written down anywhere.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 00:52, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

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==Uploading images==
Welcome to NeoDex! Just wanted to tell you that when uploading an image make sure to state its url address ('''without the <nowiki>http://</nowiki>''') in the description. We look forward to more contributions from you :) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 01:16, 7 Aug 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for the info and the welcome. I'll be sure to do that in future. Do you want me to add that to the other images I added? Also, the Dice-a-Roo image is a single image compiled of six others... but the single image is not on Neopets. Should I state the URLs for each of the individual images? --[[User:Cath|Cath]]
::Yes, please add the url for your other images. As for the Dice-a-roo, you can simply mention that you created this image and the individual pictures came from the neopets.com server. As long as you provide the source of the image, everything's fine. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 04:25, 7 Aug 2007 (UTC)
::You can include the individual sources, yeah. Compilation images like [[:Image:Dicearoodice.png|that]] or [[:Image:Pyramids trophies.png]] are fine where appropriate :¬). --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:18, 16 Aug 2007 (UTC)

==Petpet Colour Release Dates==
If anyone is interested, I have several years worth on a google document I created. I've made it through June 2005 and I'll be continuing with it over time. I have a lot that isn't here but I didn't want to add it until I had all the colours for a specific petpet, so I wouldn't be constantly editing pages. Do with it what you will: http://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc?key=pdQ_09Wa_SlsosCc58J8SHw&hl=en -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 19:22, 19 Sep 2007 (UTC)
:Oh well done! --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 21:27, 20 Sep 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks... updated through April 2006. --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 09:11, 20 Jun 2008 (CDT)
:::2006 done. -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 12:19, 2 Jul 2008 (CDT)
:All colour information contained in this spreadsheet has been entered into the Neodex! --[[User:Emeraldosprey|Emeraldosprey]]

==Typo Issue==
And you have what against me correcting the typos? ~Mr.Wha...?

:I have nothing against you correcting typos on actual NeoDex pages. It's extremely helpful but it is a waste of time to edit the talk pages and it is best that the talk pages remain unedited other than for markup reasons like my moving your question into a new section. Also, if you were to go through and edit for typos every talk page in the Neodex, there would be no edits other than that, which is silly. Please, if you want to be helpful, edit real pages. There are hundreds of pages that need [[:Category:Under Construction|construction]] work done as well as hundreds of [[:Category:Stubs|stub]] pages that need work. There are also plenty of pages that need articles that are written in a more professional or Wikipedia-style manner. Please take a few minutes to look over the [[Help:Contents|Help]] page to get a better idea of proper Wiki coding as well. Thanks for wanting to help out! --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 21:00, 22 Jul 2008 (CDT)

== Confused ==

I was only emulating the style of “Macbeth” by adding empty categories to the various pages. In fact, it was his Neocola stub with the (previously) empty “varieties” category that inspired me to make my first contribution. I believe that a category with no informative text, while it may look a tad unprofessional to some, can motivate those who have useful information lurking about their brains, to add their knowledge to the pot … Though, if it’s against protocols to follow the examples left by senior members, I shall immediately stop. --[[User:Cybridsovereign|Cybridsovereign]] 02:57, 24 Jul 2008 (CDT)

:I don't have issues with empty categories, only when creating the empty category is the only thing you do on the page. The page you reference was greatly enhanced (rewritten/ links added, etc.) when that section was created (and left blank). Do you understand the difference? If you create an entirely new page but don't have all the info for it but have an idea of what sort of sections should exist but don't have the time or information to fill them in completely, that's perfectly understandable. If all you do is open up an already created article and add a section and "(to be added)" or "coming soon" and nothing else, that's a bit of a waste in my opinion.

:I have no interest in discouraging you or anyone else from helping on this project. There's no way that we could do it on our own and all the help we get is greatly appreciated. Right now I feel a bit distressed because I see that there's so much that could be done and so few people actually doing it. If you see something you want to edit or you feel could be added to, please, do... making a list of jellies using the framework created by the omelette page you praised and one of the item databases should take no more than 10-20 minutes. That sort of addition will be much appreciated by me, as well as other editors, I'm sure. --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 03:42, 24 Jul 2008 (CDT)

::Well, if I can't use the style most comfortable for me, then perhaps I should not contribute to this site. Unlike certain overzealous members here, I have limited time; I have school, a full-time job, volunteer work, and an active life away from the internet. I can't always get to everything I intend to, which is why I appreciate the idea of an empty category … If what gives me incentive is pointless to you, then I apologize for wasting your time.

::Perhaps someday in the future, I can find a way to contribute my six years worth of Neopets knowledge without failing to uphold your standards.

:::This is, you may have noticed, a form of Encyclopedia. Due to that, there are certain standards of appearance that should be similar in all articles to add to the cohesion of the encyclopedia as a whole. This is why articles must be in third person, why we have templates for games and battledome characters, and why most, if not all lists look nearly identical. You claimed that you want to follow the protocols of the NeoDex but now refuse to because you want to do it your way. I will tell you now that I don't have the style for the lists memorized... I just grab a list from another page and change the content of it. It's easy and takes less than a minute. Throwing your "life" in our faces is a bit arrogant, as well... We all have lives. We have things we need to do and little time to be here, which is why having stuff done properly is so important... if someone does it wrong, someone else has to come around and fix it.

:::If time is your issue, use what you have to compile the information/coding in a document that you work on a little at a time and, when complete, you can copy into the NeoDex. That's what I'm doing with petpet Colour release dates. I compile them in a google doc which is open for view to any user of the NeoDex, and, as sections get completed, I add them in. I've been working on it for over a year and it's still not done but that doesn't bother me, I know that it will get there eventually. --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 16:48, 24 Jul 2008 (CDT)

::::Don't call me arrogant, and don't confuse my message, m'kay? :) I find your feedback to be too personal, and therefore will not heed it. So, in the future, a more objective approach might suit you better for the position of authority that you place yourself in. :) --[[User:Cybridsovereign|Cybridsovereign]]

::::(And don't worry, this will be my last message, so you can clean up your page when you read this. No need for clutter.)

I feel the need to respond to these accusations as I feel them to be unfair. I'm not sure how these comments I've made are "personal". I don't know you, have no vendetta against you, and you are the one who posted here first, so you sought out this conversation. Everything I wrote was full of suggestions to make your work here easier. If you chose to take it in a poor light, that's not something I'm at fault for. This format of communication leaves much open to interpretation. Every time I have said something to contradict your assertions or your practices, I have supplied you with a suggestion for what would be more appropriate or an option that would give you the chance to do things your way and in your own time. These comments could only be considered "personal" in as much as they respond to an issue that you have brought up.

Waiving over my head your extremely busy lifestyle (including volunteer work) and your six years as a member of Neopets is arrogant. You're trying to make yourself sound better and more devoted to stuff away from the NeoDex at the same time you admit to having vast experience on a virtual pet site, which I'm amazed you have time for, with school, full time work, and volunteering... In case you're curious, I'm a full time student, I have a house I have to help run, a garden to tend, a choir to sing in, and a state-wide (Texas) conference to plan and I've been on Neopets for almost 8 years. But I didn't shove that in your face in my last post. I tried to address the issues you have regarding your limited time for the NeoDex and your unwillingness (due to discomfort) to follow the NeoDex's Encyclopedic Standards by giving you suggestions I had hoped would help you. Which, apparently you have decided to ignore or discredit.

Finally, I have no intention of deleting this conversation. Talk pages don't get deleted because they often cover issues that others might have questions about. --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 21:00, 24 Jul 2008 (CDT)

:And I think all that was needed to be said has been said. Let's all head to the juice bar to relax now. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:14, 24 Jul 2008 (CDT)

==U B admin now==
For your continued efforts and dedication, and because I think it will help you out with other editing tools, I hereby dub thee and admin of the NeoDex. Yay. You can now receive free coffee from the admin drink dispenser. :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:14, 24 Jul 2008 (CDT)

:Thank you Jacob. :) *runs for drink dispenser* --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 01:02, 25 Jul 2008 (CDT)

::Ahhhh... so that's what that button does. Is there something that explains them all so I don't do something I shouldn't? --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 01:13, 25 Jul 2008 (CDT)

:::There's nothing on the NeoDex for that, but I don't think there needs to be, considering there is a [[Wikipedia:Administrators|very well written article on Wikipedia itself]]. Should be able to find everything you'll need to know from that main article. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 14:03, 25 Jul 2008 (CDT)

::Yay! You have joined our army! *highfives*--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 17:43, 27 Jul 2008 (CDT)

:Thanks Demon *highfives* Thanks, Jacob, that's a very useful guide. --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 19:54, 27 Jul 2008 (CDT)

::Hurrah! Welcome to the team. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 20:03, 28 Jul 2008 (CDT)

:::Welcome to the ranks :D --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 14:02, 29 Jul 2008 (CDT)

:I'm sorry for reappearing ever so briefly, but since when did we get free coffee?

:Oh, and congrats. =)--[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 19:29, 4 Aug 2008 (CDT)

== Access to Secret Staff Forum Granted ==

Hello :) As a staff member at PPT, you have now been granted access to the top secret staff board at PPT for you to meet all the other staff members, and to partake in any site discussion that goes there. We also hold optional weekly meetings online if you wish to attend and find help for any PPT-related projects that you may be on.

All PPT staff now has access, and we need some NeoDex representation there, so head to http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/ - register an account and email me kym@kymhuynh.com your username there so I can grant you access. Hope to see you there. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 06:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

== I need a replacement...or something ==

I'm finally making it officially and stating that I won't be here for awhile, and will need someone to take the lead...or something. Go to the [[NeoDex_talk:Community_Portal#New_Head.2Fadditional_Head_Admin_needed|talk page of the community portal]] to see what I'm talking about. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

==Welcome back==

Yo there, Cath, welcome back :). --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:53, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

== Vandalism Problem ==

Thanks so much for reverting the vandalism, I know it can be a real pain in the neck to do that. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 15:32, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:I hope I got it all. Is there any way to limit moving of pages? I'm not sure what's possible within the wiki system, but is there an additional echelon of users we can add that is non-mod/sys-op but have the power to do redirects they get from showing that they're not vandals. That way basic people who create accounts can't do them? Oh, if someone could double check that I got all of the pages and the talk pages moved back, that would be great... should we even bother deleting all of the pages he created that are now redirects? -[[User:Cath|Cath]] 16:16, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::I'll re-check to see if all attacks have been reverted. There was previous discussion about the redirecting here and you can repost these questions there: [[NeoDex_talk:Community_Portal#Move_restriction]]. The measures put in place are obviously flawed if this same user managed to by-pass them. As for deleting the spammy redirect pages, the [[Special:Listredirects]] would be a total nightmare otherwise and I feel would just denegrate the quality of the NeoDex. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 16:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Still a lot of redirects left to delete...it would certainly help if there were more sysops on the site. I'm looking for a way to request for becoming an admin. --[[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]] 16:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::::Me too. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny]] 16:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::::: I found [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=NeoDex_talk%3ACommunity_Portal&diff=49693&oldid=49629 this] as a way to possibly become a sysop, but I don't know how. --[[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]] 16:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::Can't let the vandals win, now can we ;) I'll delete the other redirects shortly (trying to multi-task here hehe). --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 16:55, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Checkuser ==

Please get somebody in charge to do a checkuser on [[User:Dbbradford]], [[User:Dbbradford1]] and [[User:Musket88]].
Reason: Striking similarity of user pages or nicknames.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 00:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

:User Dbbradford and Dbbradford1 edits come from IP 65.1.117.140. Searching Dbbradford also yielded IP 72.154.223.24 (only edits were made on September 30, 2009 when the user page and a non-Neopets but still music related article was created and subsequently deleted). Musket88 hasn't edited since June 10, 2009 and no IP address comes up in the search. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 04:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

::Point to note: Both IPs are coming from the same ISP.
::ps.: I'm sorry that I'm not around during these few weeks, but I'm still monitoring the Neodex RSS. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 09:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

::Ah, I had forgotten checkuser was implemented only recently. Well, I think that's still enough to assume they are all the same user. Do we have a rule against multiaccounting?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 12:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

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==Community Portal Lists==
===Completed Goals===
The following are goals which were completed on the NeoDex.

*'''Article Goal (200)''' - 200 articles, our first milestone!
**''? - ? - It's unknown when this goal was reached, but it happened sometime within the first few months of the creation of the NeoDex.''
*'''Neopets List''' - Filling out the list of Neopets and having all wiki links work with it.
**''March 3, 2006 - March 6, 2006 - Creating an article for every neopet, and users can find/edit them from the <s>Pet types</s> category to which they all are linked to.''
*'''Neopia''' - Filling out the world of [[Neopia]] and making all wiki links work with it.
**''March 3, 2006 - March 7, 2006 - Created the proper named pages, redirecting to the proper worlds in each, and the correctly spelled ones as well, as there were many seperate pages telling information about the same world, when they could be just one.''
*'''Games''' - Making the [[:Category: Games|Games]] category the official section, and taking down all other game pages
**''March 6, 2006 - March 10, 2006 - Moved all seperate gaming pages into one section, and made article copies of same article topic into one article.''
*'''Article Goal (1000)''' - 1000 Articles before the Neodex's first Birthday!
**''July 3, 2006 - July 11, 2006''
*'''Gaming Revamp''' - On November 21, 2006, Neopets redesigned the game room, requiring the NeoDex to add new gaming categories and other information. Time to get our game on! HUZZAH!
**''November 22, 2006 - December 14, 2006''
*'''"To Do List" to "Construction List"''' - On September 27, 2006, an effort to make the [[:Category:Under Construction|Construction]] list to be the official "To Do List" began. All articles linked to the original were to be altered to link to the new list, after which the original would be deleted.
**''September 27, 2006 - January 25, 2007''
*'''Disambiguation''' - A [[:Template:disambig|template]] was created for [[:Category:Disambiguation|Disambiguation]] articles on March 11, 2007. We need to mark ''all'' of the articles with it at the bottom of the page, replacing the category coding.
**''March 11, 2007 - March 12, 2007''
*'''Help Section''' - [[User:Jacob|Jacob]] and [[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] are currently working on expanding and revamping the NeoDex [[Help:Contents|help]] section. Suggestions can be added to relevant talk pages.
**''January 10, 2007 - April 13, 2007''
*'''Altador Cup 2006''' - There has been a rumor about a new [[Altador Cup]] starting this June. Before this comes about, as much data as possible should be gathered about the previous year, because it's quite possible the old data will disappear when the new one begins. Hurry!
**''April 18, 2007 - May 21, 2007 - Should the 2007 season follow the same format of 2006, it can be easily integrated with the completed 2006 data. If not...At least it has been completed. ;)''
*'''A "Secrets" Category?''' - Why do we need a "secrets" category when all articles are supposed to have secrets in them to begin with? Help fix articles which are linked to this redundant category for its future deletion.
**''May 10, 2007 - May 25, 2007''
*'''It's "NeoQuest", not "Neoquest"''' - There are 2 categories which have misspelled "NeoQuest": <s>Neoquest</s> and <s>Neoquest II</s>. The proper categories should be [[:Category:NeoQuest I|NeoQuest I]] and [[:Category:NeoQuest II|NeoQuest II]]. All articles linking to the wrong categories should be fixed, and when both misspelled categories are cleared, they will be deleted.
**''June 20, 2007 - June 22, 2007''
*'''PPL Category = Redundant!''' - It was [[Category talk:Petpets|recently found]] the <s>Petpet Protection League</s> category is redundant, and should be deleted. Before deletion can occur, all articles within the category need to be edited, severing any connection they have with the category (this also includes talk pages, whose wiki links can simple be <s>struck</s> through).
**''August 15, 2007 - August 16, 2007''
*'''Misspellings 101''' - There are over 150 misspellings in the NeoDex. Let's try to lower them to under 50!
**''April 14, 2007 - August 23, 2007''
*'''Proper Neopet Category''' - It was decided the <s>Pet types</s> was an improper name for Neopets, and that [[:Category:Neopet Species|Neopet Species]] would be better. Once All articles linked to "Pet types" are linked to "Neopets Species", it shall be deleted.
**''September 8, 2007 - October 14, 2007''
*'''"Characters" Category Clean-Up''' - The [[:Category:Characters|Characters]] category has over 200 articles linked to it! In order to make it more easily navigated, we need to link them to more appropriate sub-categories (where it applies). The easiest way to do this it to label the characters as either a [[:Category:Heroes|Hero]] or [[:Category:Villains|Villain]] (or both if it applies). The goal is to get as close to 150 articles in "Characters" as we can.
**''August 28, 2007 - October 26, 2007''
*'''No Such Thing As Spoilers''' - In the past, it was once deemed necessary to label plots as containing spoilers in any wiki if they spoiled something for the reader. However, this has sense changed, and the placing of a spoiler tag on articles is now frowned upon...but the NeoDex still has one!!! We need to remove all tags from articles which have them, then we can delete the template, which has become a relic of a world long forgotten.
**''January 31, 2008 - February 11, 2008''

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==Content off Wikipedia==
As a preventive measure: there is content that was copied from Wikipedia, such as [[Neopets, The Website]], but they need to be brought into line with the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL GFDL] license, which says that the content needs to be attributed to the writers. (I'm not sure, but perhaps just linking to the Wikipedia article and saying that some content was "taken from" or "based on" it would be enough?) Thanks. [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] 16:33, 2 Apr 2006 (CDT)

:*bows* thank you for bringing this to my attention. Will make a link to it on the discussion page (along with other articles).--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:31, 3 Apr 2006 (CDT)

::In line with the GFDL, I believe that is still illegal. You have to include it in the References section, the original URL. You may want to add to the general footer that this content is under the GFDL, and may have been taken from Wikipedia. You'll need the notice somewhere. Maybe create a template, a 'Licensed from Wikipedia' one? --Unsigned by 82.27.224.85, 20:43, 16 Nov 2006

=="Wockypedia"?==
Whereas [[wikipedia:Wookieepedia|Wookieepedia]] is the name of the Star Wars Wiki, could we rename the Neopets Wiki to "'''Wockypedia'''"? --[[User:68.102.193.78|68.102.193.78]] 21:11, 3 May 2006 (CDT) ([[wikipedia:User:Shultz IV|Shultz IV of Wikipedia]])

: I dunno. I think In-depth Neopedia, myself, to keep up with the In-depth theme. You know, In-depth NeoQuest, In-depth Battlepedia... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 01:48, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

::ehh... I dunno, In-Depth Neopedia doesn't have much of a ring too it, especially not for a wiki. I think Neodex is alright, but reminds me a bit too much of Pokedex (y'know, from Pokemon). Neopedia sounds nice to me. --[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:52, 12 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Collaboration==
So...i was thinking of a new feature to add to the current events, to bring it more into the spotlight. Perhaps have a featured collaborated article, one which would be collectivily worked upon until it's felt to be completed (or close enough)?--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 22:53, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

:With the new format of the community portal, this idea has taken full effect. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:33, 7 Oct 2006 (CDT)

==Item Articles?==
Are articles about items going to be included in NeoDex? The wiki seems to be in it's infancy right now and I'd love ot help out. [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:32, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:Articles will be made on items which are noteworthy and have a histroy to them, such as [[Dung]] or [[Motes]]. And your help would be most appreciated. Thank you.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 16:12, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Community Live Chats==
We should set up an IRC chat room shouldn't we :) --[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 04:06, 5 Nov 2005 (CST)

:something is called for. (would a forum be better/worse?) --[[User:Lord Matt|Lord Matt]] 07:36, 6 Nov 2005 (CST)

==NeoDex Guild==
Anyone want to meet-up / form a guild or generally get to know each other better? --unsigned--

:Perhaps we should list our (primary) NeoName (no passwords now, that would be silly) under who am I? --unsigned--

I definitely think a guild is a good idea. Anyone else up for it? :) [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 18:08, 8 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:I'm all for it. a guild would perhaps be a nice addition to the NeoDex. I'm not going to create a guild myself, but if a member (registered member only) would like to create one, I will back it as the official guild of the NeoDex. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:01, 9 Jul 2006 (CDT)

::At the moment i think this idea is defunct, and shall not be considered anymore. Besides, there would be no way for all members of the neodex to be part of the guild should it be created, as it would mean they would need to leave the other guilds. It wouldn't be a very open community. Talk pages of articles here and the official Neodex discussion in the pinkpt forums should suffice. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:03, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

==This portal needs spifified.==
This portal needs some real big spiffying, like the main page. You should make it LOOK GOOD =/ --[[User:62.255.32.12|62.255.32.12]] 17:08, 30 Aug 2006 (CDT)

:I agree, but until we actually have a concept of what this page will actually be, we are stuck on that. any suggestions? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:09, 30 Aug 2006 (CDT)

is the current portal spifified enough? :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:33, 7 Oct 2006 (CDT)

=='Editors' Section==
At the risk of seeming somewhat uppity, I am worried about this section... I mean, [[User:Makuta Bookworm|one of the 'editors']] on the list has only ever edited the Community Portal and his user page, [[User:Toothless200|another]], excepting the Community Portal, his user page and the sandbox, made two edits, one minor, to the [[Cheeseroller]] article. These two members haven't edited since the 16th March and the 26th June respectively. A [[User:Qazwiz|third]] hasn't been seen sincde the 29th July and only made nine edits to anything other than his user page or the community portal (and was disciplined for at least one of these)...

Frankly, I feel this section could be made useful as a reference for members of the community who are currently active and make significant contributions or were active and made a significant contribution... After all, it may help for a new user to consult such members...

I think at best the Editor's section should be used as a sort of Hall of Fame of editors - no doubt the wrong words to use, but if you can understand from my above comments what I mean... For example, while [[User:Lord Matt|Lord Matt]] hasn't been on for a while, when he was on he made many of the earliest contributions. [[User:Duke of Earl|Duke of Earl]] contributed in a similar manner.

[[User:Mirmadon|Mirmadon]] for her extensive care-taking and [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] for his dedication (when he got the time, anyway ;)).

Oh, and who is that other, tirelessly devoted one? [[User:Jacob|His name escapes me]], but I'm fairly sure he has done more edits than anyone else. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:26, 4 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Had to pump up my ego, did you? ha ha. :D You need not worry of the consequences, as i agree with you. the list as it is isn't very helpful to new members, and actually showing a list of members who have/are contributing well to the NeoDex would be better than an optional signature tag. Something like "Editor Hall of Fame", where admin of the NeoDex point out users whom they believe have done a lot for the NeoDex. or "Notable Editors"...i actually like the sound of "Hall of Fame" really. could always be changed, just as we are now changing what the list is. Should a link to each of these users contributions be shown as well? i'm thinking yes. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:32, 4 Dec 2006 (CST)

:I removed the list from the discussion, seeing as it doesn't really need to be here anymore (can be grabbed from the history if it wants to be seen). The new list of users will be made shortly. Input is always appreciated, and seeing as this will be a new thing, it will be needed. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 19:10, 8 Dec 2006 (CST)

==New categrories and articles==
It's time to think of new categories to add it seems. The final 2 articles in the <s>secrets category</s> don't really fit into any other sections. To help this i think it would be good to make new categories for both of them. One such idea is to have a "guides" category, which would show collected lists of information link the [[Mystery Pic Solutions]] and such. Also, the article [[Old Neopets]] makes me think we can expand on the whole "redesign" idea. New articles called "Neopet Redesigns", "Petpet Redesigns", and other such redesigns can be noted (along with the latest [[Neopets 2.0]]). There can even be an category for articles like this as well.

Just giving some ideas on how we can better organize all the data, and looking for feedback. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:51, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

:Both categories sound good to me. I think they'll work perfectly for the articles left under "secrets" and the others. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 10:33, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

==Versions==
You guys should honestly upgrade your wiki software. I mean, 1.4? 0.o It's 1.10 already out there. [[User:Neoran23|Neoran23]]

:I agree with you. but it's not in my hands, but in the hands of the maintainers of the website. Updating the NeoDex would require updating the main [http://www.pinkpt.com PinkPT] first...which is a process still in the waiting. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:11, 8 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::Uhm, are you sure? I don't think that the wiki version depends on the PHP version installed on the server.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 19:09, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:::From my understanding, you need upgraded PHP to use the newer coding. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading As an example], 1.10 requires PHP 5.0.x or later. Also, i only know what i'm told by the maintainers of PinkPT. If they say they can't update yet, I have to take their word. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:10, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::::Jacob, is there any plan to update the wiki version? I understand that the PHP version on this server is still version 4 as of this post, but I learnt it the hard way that we are unable to resize uploaded images using wikicodes... --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 11:30, 12 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Again, I have no idea when the coding will be updated. This factor should be multiplied considering I've been away for awhile (again, I apologize). It ''would'' be nice to resize images with simple wiki coding, then we could use larger images without worry. But at this point, all we can do is update their sizes manually. Need to find out if this can be changed yet. :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:51, 18 Jun 2008 (CDT)

==Partnership with another wiki==
It has been suggested by the members of the German site helony.com to connect the Neopets articles of the [http://www.helony.com/wiki/ German petgames wiki] respective English ones. For this, you would have to go into the database table which has interwiki in its name, insert hln into the column iw_prefix, http://www.helony.com/wiki/index.php?title=$1 into the column iw_url, leave the other columns blank, then go to the file Names.php ins the languages folder and add
<pre>hln => Helony,</pre> to this list. That would make e.g. <nowiki>[[hln:Neopets]]</nowiki> appear as an interwiki in the sidebar like on Wikipedia. Of course we at Helony would do the same. Please let me know if you are interested in such a partnership :)--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 19:09, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:I think something like this was suggested to me in the past as well by Yukio, saying that other sections were finding affiliates so i could as well. I turned it down, as i didn't think it was nessesary. Think the conversation is in my talk page...i forget. Would like to hear more about this. Are you simply asking for a external link to the german wiki on the NeoDex sidebar? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:10, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::No, I am speaking of a link from every single German Neopets-related article to the respective article on Neodex and vice-versa (not more and not less :D). It would be just a small link in the sidebar, as [http://www.helony.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Himmelsdemon here] the link to my profile on Wikibeta. As I suppose I am the only here, who speaks German, I would set the links myself, I just need the corresponding software changes and of course your approval.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:23, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Similar to the way regular english Wikipedia links to articles in other languages, right? With a "In other languages" box on the sidebar? creating and maintaining other language articles is something i haven't considered, and i've outright deleted articles which were created in other languages in the past here on the NeoDex. Of course, you are saying these articles would link to the article on another wiki, so i suppose that's different than having it on this server.

I just don't know. it's something i haven't bothered to consider, seeing as we already have a lot of work to do on the NeoDex as it is. my apologies on not being more hopeful. :S I do like the idea of having our information be more international, because there are many users out there who i think would like to participate, but can't comprehend the english. A gap we can hope to bridge in the future? Or very soon, should we move ahead with this...*ponders* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:55, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:We could use a template a la [[Wikipedia:Template:Wiktionarypar|those used on Wikipedia to link over to other projects]]... Cross-referencing the Neodex and Helony would be a wonderful step, however it is achieved. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:24, 10 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Macbeth, this solution would be agreeable as well (although a template is actually bigger than a small link in the sidebar :/) So just to be sure, do I have permission to create such a template and add it to existing articles? And is it ok to you if the German wiki just has link to your respective articles as mentioned above? Please note that the German articles are not translations of the Neodex articles, but existing articles on their own.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 20:05, 11 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:I suggested using a template like that as the NeoDex and Helony are managed by different groups... Different projects, as you will, so article standards and approaches would be different. What concerns me about having an 'alternate language' wikilink is that some may think it was a direct translation, and not a separate project...

:I am quite happy for the template idea to go ahead here, although we should probably wait for Yukio or Jacob to report back on it. If Helony would rather use the interwiki form, then that's fine with me, provided it is noted that they are separate projects so things like user accounts, etc, would not be transferable across wikis, etc...

:I was thinking a template on this end of the style of the featured articles template might be good... or something more like the wikipedia template referenced above? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 02:56, 12 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::If you would like to try the template idea for the moment, i'm fine with it. It will give a trail basis to the idea of what you would like to try out. Don't know which articles you would place them on, seeing as you say the articles on Helony aren't going to be exact translations. The Interwiki link sounds more preferrible, doesn't it? ;) Will look into it should i manage to catch up with things. Have a "whole plate of pancakes to eat" or so to speak. :S --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 03:39, 12 Jul 2007 (UTC)

==Under Construction vs. Stub==
It is suggested on the portal that articles that are 'under construction' be built up to a stub - surely it is the other way around? A stub has very little information at all, a bare few words on a topic... An article that is under construction, however, will have specific areas that need to address and are being addressed... if you see what I mean...? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:31, 16 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:You raise a good point. Perhaps we could...have the rules be different here? :S --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 01:31, 17 Oct 2007 (UTC)

::I'm not sure I follow? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 18:52, 17 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:::Have the role of "under construction" and "stub" be switched around. Sorry to confuse. :P Then again, that doesn't really work if someone with wiki know how comes here and gets baffled. What action are you suggesting? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 03:21, 18 Oct 2007 (UTC)

::::We could do that, I suppose, but I fancy it would be a bit confusing... And an under construction article preferable to a stub, I think, as there is a clear indication of where to expand it... I thought we could just ask for under construction articles to be developed into less-under construction articles, to be honest xP --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:16, 19 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:::::I'm thinking the [[Help:Stub]] article needs to be updated to explain the difference once again. :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:42, 19 Oct 2007 (UTC)

==Is this important enough to be added?==
I love [[The Tale of Woe]], and when I was searching for things to add to, I discovered there is no article for ''Hissi oil'', the potions that [[Mr. Krawley]] sold. I'm not sure if this would be important enough to be added, but I'd be happy to add it if it is. --[[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 04:22, 17 Dec 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think there is enough information to make a Hissi Oil article. Nor do I think it's the only potion Krawley makes. It WOULD be interesting if every potion he gave is Hissi Oil, which would mean Hissi have something sinister within them that makes others transform, but as stated, I don't think that is the case. Personally think he's just claiming it as Hissi Oil and how healthy the potion is like most swindlers who would sell anything for a buck. In either case, think it's important to speak about his potions only in his article. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:41, 17 Dec 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, thats what I figured, but I just wanted to cheak. - [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

==Regarding Neopet popularity==
I would like to have some way to notify readers that the Neopet Popularity we reference when discussing the different species of pets is not entirely accurate. The Popularity page itself admits that it only includes created pets, not morphed or labbed, so the numbers can be widely inaccurate... is creating an article about Neopet Popularity the way to go, or is there another article already existing it would be best to tack this onto? I'm a stickler for accuracy and I don't think that anyone in the world would believe that there are really only 2,300 Krawks in all of neopia... (or 12,000 Draiks, for that matter). --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 00:02, 1 Jun 2008 (CDT)

:I feel that we have nothing much to write about if we create an article just for Neopet popularity discrepancy. Since it is near impossible to find out the estimate number of a particular Neopet, I'm thinking of one of the following:
:*Avoid listing the number of Neopet on the Neopet articles.
:*Mention that it's the number of ''created'' Neopet. (ie. created 2,377 Krawks as of October 2007)
:Where is Jacob nowadays? --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:02, 2 Jun 2008 (CDT)

::Well, we ''need'' to mention the number of created Neopets, because it's a notable number. Still, it's obvious it isn't an accurate account, and I suppose this could be mentioned in full on the [[Neopet]] article itself.

::And Jacob has been busy, and very bad at keeping up with things that need doing. Still want to complete and edit the NEoDex, though things have just gotten...complicated...is all. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:51, 18 Jun 2008 (CDT)

:::Haha, it's okay - At least you're back. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:25, 19 Jun 2008 (CDT)

==Image deletion==
I would like to know if there is anyway you could delete the file I uploaded, Old_maraqua.PNG ? I forgot to take away the white background, making it a huge file. I now have a much smaller file, but I was hoping you could get rid of that one first. Thanks! [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

:While trying to rush off for work, I really deleted the image before realising it's not required X(. You can always re-upload the image to Neodex with the same filename, instead of deleting. Anything uploaded to Neodex will not be possible to totally remove from the server. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:02, 2 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Ok, thank you very much! [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

==Battledome Weapons==
Would it be a good idea to create pages for all Battledome weapons? In the Under Construction area, I see many uncreated pages that are about BD weapons and I don't know whether or not I should create pages for them. Should we have some kind of criteria or something before we create pages for weapons? Or would it be best to make pages (such as Freezing Weapons, etc.) and list weapons? These are all just suggestions, though. I'd appreciate some other "opinions" before I do anything :)

[[User:Siouxper|Siouxper]] 01:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

:The only Battledome Weapons we tend to add to the Neodex are ones that tend to be extremely notable like the [[Sword of Skardsen]], [[Ghostkerbomb]], and the [[Attack Pea]] collection. There are several noted item databases as well as battledome databases that chronicle the full list of these items and their effects in battle. In general, we attempt to avoid creating another of them. At some point in the future it might make sense to add examples or lists of the BD weapons sold in each of the weapon/armor shops on those shops' pages but it's not necessary... Perhaps you would be interested in helping us fill in the [[Battledome Equipment]] page? If you see, the [[:Category:Battledome_Equipment]] is not that big and the items tend to be either a notable collection like the [[Scorchstone]]s or [[Hidden Tower]] items. If there are other "groupings" of weapons/armor like the muffins, motes, etc... those would probably be an acceptable addition but please refrain from making a page for every item. :) --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 04:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for the response :) I'll probably do some work on the Battledome Equipment page and fill in information about the shops. One final question: Under the Battledome Equipment Terms section, I have quite a few terms I can add (tank, league, boost, and some others), but these terms usually apply only to "experienced" Battledomers (people who BD a lot). Would it be best if I added these terms or just left them out? [[User:Siouxper|Siouxper]] 12:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Those terms refer to experienced play, in which they are used to quickly explain strategy and the like, so refraining from using them would be best. External links to websites where people use them, explain them and etc. is fine though. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

==Attacks on User Lookup talk page==
The most recent attack (31 August 2008, around 12pm UTC) all came from a common ISP, which ranges from 194.8.74.0 - 194.8.75.255. We might have to prevent anonymous editing for the whole range for a period of time if the problem persist.

Or are we going to block all (except logged in users) from editing, like what we did before the mediawiki was upgraded? I'm not too sure about this anymore... Wiki is supposed to be allowed for all to modify. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 05:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:One of the many things which I miss was the necessary creation of an account in order to edit the NeoDex, simply because it made things a whole lot easier to maintain. Hopefully it can be brought back into the fold. All should be able to modify articles, yes, but it seems others are ruining that freedom. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Some spammer is adding gibberish to pages, at least I guess it's one person using a lot of accounts, because it's got a pattern. The accounts which I suspect to be used by him are[[User:CacroLvich]], [[User:SitzeLnoli]], [[User:CnaalErour]], [[User:OlozeLalac]] and [[User:RobocRacch]]. And I think he also was DomtaOrelt, RonopAsbod, AcelrOalcv, OuricDronv and a lot of other spam accounts, like RictaDarsi, who created a lot of spam pages. Could anyone do something against him? --[[User:Likiana|Likiana]] 14:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I probably was wrong when saying it was one user who added the spam to pages - my new guess it's a bot network or something. When users get blocked like all those vandals, account creation is disabled, so they have to use another computer to sign up again, and I don't think that vandal has 16 or more computers. My guess is that he's a hacker/cracker who controls a bot network or something comparable. Just wanted to correct what I said. --[[User:Likiana|Likiana]] 17:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:I only ''wish'' it were that easy to prevent vandalism! Sort of like the movie Minority Report, we stop the vandals before they strike hehe. Unless there's something I don't know about I guess the only way is to deal with the spam as they come and hopefully it will stop soon. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 05:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

::We could implement the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA reCAPTCHA], which can greatly reduces the amount of vandalisms, while still allowing anonymous users to edit. By default, the reCAPTCHA will apply to anonymous edits with links (which we are currently encountering), new accounts (we had this problem in the past when we disallowed anonymous editing, and it came back briefly recently as mentioned by Likiana), and brute force attack on accounts. If that is not enough, we can further implement reCAPTCHA on new page creations and all edits. Registered users on the other hand, will not be affected by this reCAPTCHA. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== New Head/additional Head Admin needed ==
I can no longer give the necessary attention to this wiki that it deserves. Plenty of you can attest to that. So, I need to hand the torch to someone that can. I know I've been the go to guy for pretty much all questions and situations, mostly due to the fact I've built the wiki from the ground up. Now that my life is filled with complete fail, however, someone else must be able to take up the task of keeping things in order.

From what I've seen, the "head" of the admins needs to keep articles and links in order, thinking about the whole of the wiki, and discovering new and better ways to present and archive data. Requires a diverse understanding of what articles are within the NeoDex, and wiki coding. Good social skills help as well, because nothing makes things more confusing than someone who can't explain something well. This socially stunted man can attest to that.

As I haven't been here in awhile, I don't know who has been keeping the most tabs with things, so I think it would be good to hear from the rest of you how the status quo should change. Again, this isn't an all powerful position in which you can do whatever you please. The Head Admin is just like every other Admin...with more emphasis. Of course, if that's the case, must there BE a "head"? Discuss Any and all thoughts you may have.

My apologies for having it take so long, but I'm officially putting my foot down and saying someone else must take the job of Head Admin. Or stand in. Or become an additional. Whatever. However it's going to be. Just hope we can discover a solution so that the wiki won't suffer anymore due to my failings. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

:I will go ahead and say that I am sure many will agree that nothing you have done can be considered a failing. It is more a... concurrence of unlucky circumstances.
:That said, we need to come up with a candidate for a new head admin. I can imagine four candidates: [[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] ([[Special:Contributions/Macbeth|contribs]]), [[User:Emeraldosprey|Emeraldosprey]] ([[Special:Contributions/Emeraldosprey|contribs]]), [[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ([[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contribs]]), and [[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] ([[Special:Contributions/Dizzy|contribs]]). They all have their different pros and cons (please don't take offense).
:*Macbeth: Oldest ([http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights Rights log]) sysop after Kym and Jacob, therefore has the most experience. Sadly not very much active during the recent time.
:*Emeraldosprey: Shows very much and constant dedication, is however the "youngest" sysop.
:*SwordFire: Is generally experienced with coding, which includes not only wiki coding, but PHP. Therefore most likely to come up with new ideas and to have them implemented. However, slightly less active than Emeraldosprey.
:*Dizzy: Has always made a reliable impression. One could only complain at the fact that most of her recent contributions are reverts.

:Regarding possible other candidates: I think we all agree that the new head admin needs to be a present admin. While [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] has not contributed for over 2 (!) years, [[User:Cath|Cath]] shows large times of activity followed by equally long inactivity. While I simply show inactivity and currently don't have the time for being a head admin.
:I hope I did't say something that anybody took offense for. Discuss.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

::Mostly reverts shouldn't be an issue here. We are all doing mostly reverts recently due to spam attacks :P.
::Recently I've to concentrate on my other commitment due to the upcoming Firefox 3.1. I usually becoming less active whenever a new Firefox version is going to be release. During at this time, I'll still be monitoring the Neodex via the RSS. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 07:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I still have some other people to contact, because I don't think this is reaching enough ears at this point. I loathe not being able to focus enough time on things like this... :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:Sorry about the late response (thanks for reminding me Demon)! I don't know, I've never been the leader type. It seems like most of us have been too busy to devote time to the NeoDex and all we can do is revert. I've been focusing most of my attention on school as my grades have, erm, "slipped" ;P I hope to make up for my absence during the summer which is unfortunately a long ways off. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 19:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

::While I am touched to have been mentioned here, I do not think I would be able to give the NeoDex the regular attention that I gave it circa 2006 and 2007, the level of attention that you all undoubtedly deserve from me - of course, Jacob's shoes would be very hard for any of us to fill. My involvement both with Neopets and the Neodex has been unacceptably sub-par recently, for which I apologise unreservedly, but I am afraid that it was and is unavoidable due to conditions in my personal life at the moment, the details of which (for the sake of brevity and not wishing to sound too self-indulgent) I will spare you.

::I am willing to do what I can here - I still check in with what time I can spare to pursue the recent changes - but my usefulness is no doubt heavily limited by how I am not keeping up with the Neopets site itself.

::No one can replace the hard work put in by Jacob, who nurtured the Neodex out of its infancy to blossom into what is, truth be told, almost a self-supporting project. Whether he can be active in his role or not, Jacob is and will remain, as much as he ever was, the Head Admin: the Neodex is truly his brain child. All anyone else can hope to do is to fill in in the mean time.

::Our admins and our editors have by themselves been keeping an eye out for vandalism, and still able to fulfil the primary objectives of this wiki - to expand, and to improve, its coverage of all things Neopets, and to become the a one-stop resource for Neopians everywhere. I would suggest if we are looking for someone to fill in the roles of promoting new editors to sysops, being the go-to-person on Neodex policy, and directing the Neodex's development in the future, then I any of our sysops are qualified for the job. I give my personal endorsement and faith to [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&username=&group=sysop&limit=50 them all].

::On a personal note, while I may not have an active presence on the site as I once did, I ''will'' appear from time to time, and you are all at liberty to contact me - you should be able to e-mail me through the Neodex [[Special:Emailuser/Macbeth|here]], which should also be linked on my user-page in to toolbox on the bottom left - if you would ever like to call on me to address something specific around here - you have total access to my consultancy :).

::I hope I find you all well, and I hope that both Jacob and I will be able to eventually give the Neodex more consistent ministration. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 16:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I personally don't see the need for a "head admin" as the wiki seems to run fine even in Jacob's absence. During the recent spam attacks, all admins here worked together to keep the site clean of spam even though there was no "leader" to organize them. I don't see why this cannot continue in the future. Any thoughts? --[[User:Emeraldosprey|Emeraldosprey]]

::::As much as I whole-heartedly agree with ''nearly'' every aspect of what Macbeth has said (thumbs up!), there is one issue I'd like to bring up. You said "if we are looking for someone to fill in the roles of promoting new editors to sysops..." The problem currently is, that sysops cannot promote members. Only bureaucrats can, that is, [[User:Yukio|Kym]] and [[User:Jacob|Jacob]]. I don't know whether Jacob will be online often enough to fulfill these duties, and I believe Kym doesn't have the time to look for possible sysop candidates. Of course we as the sysops could always come to Kym with a full-reasoned proposal so that he can promote the people. Question is whether he would be willing to go through the hassle of doing this every time.

::::So I have to ask you, Jacob, do you think you can ensure that deserving members of the community are promoted to sysops whenever necessary - without us having to go to Kym every time this needs to happen? If yes, I can say with a clear conscience that I don't have any objections to the situation staying like it currently is :) --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Kym has enough on his hands to have the sole responsibility of promoting regular editors to admin, especially when he doesn't regularly edit articles here. I assume he's expecting we as the editing community to govern ourselves in such a way to work independently of the rest of PinkPT. Which I suppose brings up the need to have someone else to "lead" besides myself. Still haven't heard any news from him or the rest of the staff yet, and I'm a little worried at that, but I'm hoping a solution can be found and continued (improved?) flow of information can continue. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

:Well, it might be a good idea to raise it at the next AIM meeting, then. I mean, the Neodex has always been a bit independent, but I can appreciate the value for his input. It may be sensible to promote a few of the current sysops to buearocrats, make sure the Neodex is regularly backed up, and hope no one goes completely mad with power! ;) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

::Hi guys, Kym here. Apologies about the tardy response - I was involved in a car accident in South America, was in surgery for a week, and have arrived back in Australia for about two weeks now - the recovery involving many doctor appointments.

::Before I left for South America, I initiated a change in the staff system at PPT, and have spent the past two weeks implementing the changes etc. All staff here are required to sign up at http://www.pinkpt.com/forum - make sure you PM me your username so I can give you access to the private staff board. All staff decisions will be made from there. As I check that board every day now, I can be contacted if anyone ever needs me.

::The appointment of Jacob's replacement is necessary - and I will be working with all staff here at the NeoDex to assure that the transition goes smoothly. Anyone interested in Jacob's position should email me kym@kymhuynh.com with their application. If anyone here has recommendation or issues at the NeoDex that they feel needs to be addressed, I can also be contacted via my email. Note, however, that this is only temporary. In the future, all communication will be at the staff board @ http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/

::Thanks for your patience guys and I look forward to your emails. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 03:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Hi guys. As I have received no applications from any current staff from the NeoDex, I will now open up applications for the new NeoDex Administrator to a wider audience at the Pink Poogle Toy community. The posting will be made here: http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=53 --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 09:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Administrator applications have now closed. A big welcome to Macbeth, our new NeoDex Administrator! --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 14:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

== Patrolling edits ==

Could you guys help me partolling edits, please? To do that more efficiently, go to [[Special:Recentchanges|Recentchanges]] and click the "Hide patrolled edits" link. Just go through the changes that have an exclamation mark next to them and click the "diff" link.
I'd like to have every edit patrolled because we might else let things slip past, like [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Lutari&diff=prev&oldid=35187 that edit] which broke a link.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 22:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, so that's what those exclamation points mean :P I've been battling with these edits and this sure makes things easier! --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 04:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== Daily Dare ==
Wondering if one page needs to be made with all relevant info about previous years challenges.
at the moment, there is only a [[Daily Dare 2007]] page which i have edited slightly to include new info about 2009's challenges. Perhaps the page title needs to only be changed?
[[User:Corythepaperboy|Corythepaperboy]] 06:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wiki protection ==

Maybe we should set the wiki to allowing registered users only and require new accounts to be confirmed by sysops before they can edit? I know I have seen that option in the documentation somewhere, would have to dig around a bit...--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 17:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:Requiring accounts to be sysop-activated seems a bit far - plus, how are we meant to distinguish the accounts that ''will'' become good users from the ones that will not, based on no edits? Forcing registration again sounds like a good idea, though. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 19:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

::Well, the main reason why I suggested activation by hand was that we might get mass registrations like [[User:EltroRolri]], [[User:OuricDronv]], [[User:OlotrVarac]] etc (see [[Special:Logs/Block]] from January 8th). I will wait for more feedback for now and then talk to Kym about that. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 20:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:::In most cases, these kind of accounts were created using a bot, which can be prevented by implementing something random like [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit |ConfirmEdit] and [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA reCAPTCHA]]. We can further extend it to anonymous edits to prevent anonymous bots from editing. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 01:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Thanks SwordFire :D If no one has any objections, I will mention it to Kym on the next staff meeting.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 09:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Update: I have now implemented reCAPTCHA. It should be triggered on registration and whenever external links are added. I think that should make blocking anonymous users obsolete. That can still be implemented if necessary.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 14:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::Great work! :) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 21:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::This should stop most attacks except blanking and random text (which both of them do not include external links). So long as these two do not go out of control, we can just stay as it is. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 15:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

== Now Accepting Applications for NeoDex administrator position ==

We are now looking for a new Admin for the NeoDex. If any of you would like to take a swing at the job please apply, [http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38634]!
--[[User:Unspecialfish|unspecialfish]] 02:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Avatar items? ==
Do you think that popular avvie items such as the [[Zafara Double Agent Plushie]] and [[Faerie Queen Doll]] should have their own articles on the NeoDex? Idk, because there are popular Hidden Tower items' articles and it would definitely not make sense if FQD didn't have its' own article. [[User:A Neezles A|Charlotte xoxo]] 22:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

:These items are notable, but in my opinion do not have a lot of information to become an article. They can be combine with [[Zafara Double Agent]] and [[Faerie Queen]] respectively, under a sub-header. We can then redirect [[Zafara Double Agent Plushie]] and [[Faerie Queen Doll]] to these two main articles. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

::Oh, and please delete this page: [[Winnner's curse]] [[User:A Neezles A|Charlotte xoxo]] 03:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Article deleted. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== User block ==

Any sysop can possibly block [[User:64.231.10.29]]? On Aug 31 2009 s/he has been adding false information to [[Shenkuu]]. Thank you! [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 18:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== Move restriction ==

To prevent (future) grief to everyone here, I'm going to request for a move restriction to new Nexdex accounts. This will prevent anybody from create a new account just to start moving articles all over the place. I'll not mention how long will it take for an account to be allowed to move an article though.

This will take some time to implement, depending on how fast Kym access the server and make the modification. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:I love this idea, but I don't know, Hagrid a.k.a Wheeler a.k.a. Tewapack a.k.a Willy on Wheels a.k.a. 'B Neezles B' might stop doing the move mess-up and start to vandalise pages, remove content, and that kind of stuff. And this option can't really be done because I think Wikipedia doesn't have this kind of thing. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::SwordFire, you are the greatest. *grovels at your feet* If Wheels of whatever he goes by starts to do any of that stuff, it is a lot easier (and less confusing) to undo it. If this request is approved I will definitely sleep sounder at night ;) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 16:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Also, don't forget that he might stop this moving business and start vandalising. He did change dung into $|-|17, you know. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Another restriction that I can think of is to request all Neodex users to add an email account and confirm it. That way, Vandals have to go through several steps before he/she can do some damage. But I'll need to look into this first.

::::As for the vandalism, the only way to partially prevent this is to implement a full lockdown (ie. no anonymous edit, account approval by sysop, etc.), which I do not really prefer. Moreever, those accounts which sysop approved might be vandals themselves. But I'm open for suggestions. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::BTW, a vandal may start being helpful, try to go admin, and then start vandalizing with admin powers and deleting the good pages and creating bad ones, and protect them. Or we could just block moving for non-admins all along. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::At the moment, I don't think anybody is going to be promoted to sysop, unless we have an active bureaucrat first. As at the moment, the two bureaucrats in Neodex might not be able to act fast enough to stop a rogue sysop, since they have to concentrate on the whole pinkpt site. But that is beside the point. Right now, we have to do something to the current situation first. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::::In Wikipedia, only autoconfirmed users are allowed to edit certain pages, and the autoconfirmed requirement is having registered for 4 days and made 10 edits. Is the option available which all editing is restricted to autoconfirmed users? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 18:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::If you think about it, if you only allow editing (for all articles) for autoconfirmed users and above, it is almost similar to kicking everybody (except bureaucrats, sysops and users who are already autoconfirmed) out of Neodex. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::I agree, because wikis are meant to be edited by ''everyone'', and if this would be done I'd only put this restriction on CERTAIN articles... [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 18:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::::Maybe this could be done to featured articles only, since they're common targets? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 19:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::I think the only pages with this restriction should be the ones with five or more vandalism targets. It wouldn't be fair if I.P. people who don't want to create an account can't edit featured articles. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 19:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:Just hang on - I've already informed Kym that this is an urgent case. He must be out on Saturday. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 19:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for the emails guys and the prompt alert. Changes that were suggested and have been implemented are as follows: (1) Move restrictions are in place on new NeoDex accounts; (2) Accounts which are (sensitive info removed) are able to move articles; and (3) Sysops and Bureaucrats are now able to use the CheckUser extension.--[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 13:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Thank you Kym, I am really happy to know that this batch of vandalism will be the last I have to deal with :D I don't know how this CheckUser extension works but thanks all the same! --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 13:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I'll explain it to you through the forum PM. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 13:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Thanks, I'll know what I'm doing now haha :) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 16:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Vandalism Investigation ==

Sorry for not blocking the vandal earlier, but I've been collecting information regarding the attacks. Now that I've seen enough, I'm blocking the IP range of a certain ISP for two weeks. User using that ISP will not be able to edit or register an account during this period of time. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 01:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:It seems to be very effective. The vandal hasn't vandalized for almost a whole week. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pink]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|girl]][[User:Pinkgirl34/NQII Walkthrough|34]] 21:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

==Recent deletion of this page==
Don't you guys think deleting all versions of this page is kinda overkill just to hide a few? Wouldn't it have been better to restore '''all''' versions except the ones with sensitive info in question?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:That is a little rough, I have to agree. Though, I forget if that's possible with the current coding. Still trying to clear out the dust n dirt which gathered from my months of not being here. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Delete ==

Um, I just wanted to know if you can delete this page. http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Altador_cup_4&redirect=no

I know this is a stupid request but well I just feel that the c should be capitalize and I can't edit it and change it so the only thing I can think of is to delete it but I don't know how. So can you? [[User:Ashpoke|Ashpoke]]

:I've moved the page to capital lettered C. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 02:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

::Uh oh, you've just created what we call a "double redirect." [[User:A Neezles A|--Destiny]] 03:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

:::I've fixed the double redirect; re-redirected [[Altador cup 4]] to [[Altador Cup IV]] because it's still a plausible redirect. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 21:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

::::Wait, the link still has a lowercase '''c''' though for cup still. So you guys can't change it to an uppercase then? [[User:Ashpoke|Ashpoke]]

:::::The only way the page can be permanently changed to uppercase is if you rename the lowercase page to an uppercase letter and have an administrator delete the lowercase page. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 20:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

::::::Deleted! :)--[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 22:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Thanks! --[[User:Ashpoke|Ashpoke]]

== Question about Requirements for Sysops ==
I have a question: What are the requirements for becoming a sysop? It doesn't seem to be posted on this website. For example, how many edits are required and how long does the user have to be on NeoDex in order for someone to promote them to a sysop? Thanks, [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 20:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:In the moment I don't think anyone will be as there is only one bureaucrat on the site right now. [[User:A Neezles A|--Destiny]] 21:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::I see. And it seems like the only active bureaucrat hasn't edited for a month. However, is there a way to contact a bureaucrat? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl34]] 01:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Requirements are a good understanding of wiki coding, understanding of the NeoDex itself, sensible mind and good communications skills. That's in summary at least. I know this has been asked before, but I forget where. In essence, should you be a trusted and capable editor (and should one be needed), such an editor will be considered. Then again, that's how I recall it, and I'm not part of that anymore, so... :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 04:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

:::I think the easiest way is having an active sysop suggest you on the staff board, since technically speaking, Kym is still a bureaucrat and might promote you.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 02:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

The Neopets Team

2009-10-12T11:29:32Z

Himmelsdemon: Update on former staff members. I think it's safe to assume Adam and Donna no longer work for TNT.

{{construction|reason=More information on TNT, new sections to create and others to fill, plot summaries to fill}}

'''The Neopets Team''' (''TNT'' for short) are the official employees of Neopets Inc. who work on the [[Neopets (website)|website]]. Their official user account [http://www.neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=theneopetsteam theneopetsteam] is the only account in which the TNT will official contact users through [[NeoMail]], a fact strengthened all the more with the exploding ''TNT'' [[avatar]] (TNT shares the same abbreviation is [[Wikipedia:Trinitrotoluene|Trinitrotoluene]]), used only by the The Neopets Team. They seem to have a strange obsession with asparagus.

==User account types==
Sometimes a member of TNT has their own user account, and if they choose can signify they are a member of TNT by a tag on the bottom of their [[User Lookup]]. There are also other accounts which are used for special purposes on Neopets. The collected ones are...

*'''Monitor''' - The most basic kind of account. Monitors watch over the interactions between users on the site. Sometimes artists, writers and other employees are given this account type, often confusing regular users. Some monitors are responsible for one country only. These are listed as "Non-US-Monitors" at the end of this article.
*'''Auction''' - This type of account creates special auctions in the [[Auction House]] for regular users to bid on. The [[item]]s involved usually are very rare.
*'''Lawyer''' - Account given to [[Lawyerbot]], the lawyer for Neopets. Used by Laywerbot to find spammers, scammers, and other illegal activities on Neopets.
*'''Programmer''' - Programmers create games and plots around the site.

==Plot summaries==
===Sacrificers===
{{main|Sacrificers}}

The Neopets Team journeyed to the newly-discovered [[Mystery Island]] where they became part of an elimination-survival game, with each week a member being sacrificed to [[Mumbo Pango]], a god of the native [[Coconut People]], until only one remained - [[Donna]].

===Ski Lodge Murder Mystery===
{{Main|Ski Lodge Murder Mystery}}

The Neopets Team, on holiday in [[Terror Mountain]], were trapped in the old Ski Lodge by a freak snowstorm. Unable to leave the mansion, one by one the staff members were picked off by a mysterious murderer in their midst until only the murderer and one last staff member survived: [[Maverick]] and [[Beader]] respectively. Before Maverick could come after Beader, she trapped him in a cage. Before the police could arrest him, he exploded, for he was a robotic replica made by a mysterious villain, possibly Dr Sloth.

Many of the members of the team were "killed off" during the [[Neopets Staff Sacrificers]] and [[Ski Lodge Murder Mystery]].

===Altador Cup 2006===
{{Main|Altador Cup 2006}}

''...to be added...''

==Neocam==
{{main|Neocam}}

The '''Neocam''' is the users visual look into The Neopets Team's headquarters, where they work to keep Neopets running. A [[Wikipedia:webcam|webcam]] is on 24/7, capturing a new picture every minute. Some images are saved for future enjoyment.

==Trivia==
*On January 14, 2000, The Neopets Team turned into [[Wikipedia:Pokémon|Pokémon]]
*On January 18, 2000, an admin power was added to the website, which allowed The Neopets Team to give items to users.
*One of the test accounts, paganmachine, is the [[wikipedia:Portugal|Portuguese]] [[NeoBoard]] moderator.

==External links==
*'''Official Neopets Team Account''': [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=theneopetsteam theneopetsteam]
*'''Plot Info''': [http://www.neopets.com/island/sacrificers.phtml Neopets Staff Sacrificers], [http://www.neopets.com/winter/skilodge.phtml Ski Lodge Murder Mystery]
*'''Auction Accounts''': [http://www.neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=balthazar balthazar], [http://www.neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=dr_death dr_death], [http://www.neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=dr_sloth dr_sloth], [http://www.neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=illusen illusen], [http://www.neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=jeran jeran], [http://www.neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=jhudora jhudora], [http://www.neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=queen_fyora queen_fyora]
*'''Contest Account''': [http://www.neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=contest_judge contest_judge]
*'''Neopets Air Faerie''': [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=cronjobbia cronjobbia]
*'''Neopets Lawyer''': [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=lawyerbot lawyerbot]
*'''Neopets Monitors''': [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=amadeine amadeine], [http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=cavellis cavellis], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=dom_dread dom_dread], [http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=fareapril10 fareapril10], [http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=greyhawke greyhawke], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=jmorpheous jmorpheous], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=multiplayer_setup multiplayer_setup], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=neo_storytelling neo_storytelling], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=neopets neopets], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=nt_editor nt_editor], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=snowbunny snowbunny], [http://www.neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=subordinateprime subordinateprime], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=tyler_durden tyler_durden], (account disabled), [http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=twitterpate twitterpate]
**'''Non-US-Monitors''': [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=mcdrool mcdrool] (Germany), [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=paganmachine paganmachine] (Portugal)
*'''Neopets Programmers''': [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=abreik abreik], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=dahling dahling], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=dirigibles dirigibles], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=dirtside dirtside], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=snarkie snarkie]
*'''Neopets Writer''': [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=dragona dragona]

*'''Neopets Pwning Account:''' [http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=truthforthewin truthforthewin]
*'''Neopets Test Accounts''': [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=hassaku hassaku], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=mexicoperu1987 mexicoperu1987], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=paganmachine paganmachine]
*'''Neopets Former Staff Members''': [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=ainemrac ainemrac], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=borovan borovan], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=camiboo camiboo], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=cyberangel cyberangel], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=djskellington djskellington], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=donna donna],[http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=flighttime flighttime], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=kryptor kryptor], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=obrodhage obrodhage], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=soupfaerie soupfaerie], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=voodoodidi voodoodidi], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=watchingover watchingover]
*'''Side Accounts''': [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=feli feli], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=lunchboxloon lunchboxloon], [http://neopets.com/randomfriend.phtml?user=slothpeon slothpeon]

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User talk:Jacob

2009-09-27T21:42:16Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Ohai! */ new section

==Pet type categories==
Okay, sorry, I got the idea that we were supposed to make the categories singular and not plural, my mistake. '''--[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 09:33, 18 Jul 2006 (CDT)'''

==Proposed Change to Image Table==
So, we've been using this script for a while to link images from Neopets.

{|align=right
|http://images.neopets.com/items/toy_faerie_space.gif
|}

<nowiki>{|align=right</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|imagelinkhere</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|}</nowiki>
 
This has worked very well, and I have become a big supporter of linking from Neopets now that I've gotten used to it.

Now I'd like to present an idea of mine. I "dressed up" the table a little bit, so we can add a border to the image and maybe a little thumbnail description.

{|align=right style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; border: solid 1px #bbbbbb; padding: 1px"
|http://images.neopets.com/items/toy_faerie_space.gif
|-
|Fancy, eh?
|}

<nowiki>{|align=right style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; border: solid 1px #bbbbbb; padding: 1px"</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|imagelinkhere</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|-</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|Optional text.</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|}</nowiki>
 
I think it looks nice so I just thought I'd show you the script and stuff and see what you think. [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:51, 11 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:I like it. :) However, the image linking done for images is meant to be a temporary thing, as i was intending to upload the image linked images as wiki images. I just haven't haven't gotten around to it. :S I just use the image linking as a ways to find the best image possible to work for the article for a future image load. And this new table is very good for that. *thumbs up* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 11:02, 11 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Greetings from Yukio==
Hi there! I'm typing in what I think is a messaging feature :) Let's hope it works!--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 17:32, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

:it's working alright. ;) So...i'm the admin? is that right?--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:35, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

::Great! Got it down pat :) This WIKI thing is kinda addictive @_@ Of course :) Admin away Jacob, admin away ^_^ Would love to chat online when we get the chance. I'll reply to your email soonish.--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 17:56, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

:::ooking forward to hearing from you. thank a lot.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:58, 3 Mar 2006 (CST)

Just wanted to drop in a line and say you're doing an amazing thing with the NeoDex :) Under your leadership, the NeoDex has totally grown expotentially and is becoming what everyone envisioned it to be :) Well done!--[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 13:50, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

:Thank you very much. There is still so much to do of course, but all in due time...hopefully. :o Still don't know how to eidt and present the gaming articles. Mostly just focused on the plot/character/Neopet pages. Best get to thinking then.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:28, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

==Image Linking: Neopets vs. Internal==
So i was wondering...should we be focusing on making our own images to make the wiki colorful, or should we direct link to Neopets? I see all other fan sites doing it, and i'm wondering what is the opinion of everyone else on the matter. I'm fine working it either way, but would like to know how we would like to do it so we can work on it soon enough.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 07:34, 4 Mar 2006 (CST)

:i decided on this for the time being: images that can be linked directly from neopets if the are set inside constructed tables. internal images will be used whenever they are not, as i haven't yet found a way to move images directly linked to.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:27, 8 Mar 2006 (CST)

=="Karnik" Request==
Jacob, could you please delete the article [[Karnik]] from the Characters page? I can't do so for some reason and it's irritating me. Thanks. Also, is it allright if I add a page for Zafara Double Agent?

:thanks for noticing that. the proper redirect has fixed it. now to add that misspelling to the list... ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:47, 24 Apr 2006 (CDT)

==Reversion==
I thought I should mention that [[Neopets, The Website]] has been vanadlised, so is probably in need of a reversion. It's when I noticed this that I realised that I am not aware if a formal structure for reporting vandalised articles exist: could you clarify what we are meant to do? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:35, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

:ah! vandals! *attacks* well, reversing the effects of the vandalism is key, and stating that vandalism happened as well in the "summary". other than that, i don't know of any "formal structure" than that, along with me banning people along the way. --unsigned by [[User:Jacob|Jacob]] (opps!)

::What I mean is, what is an average member like myself meant to do about it? Do we leave you the vandal's name, rank and number and you ensure that they are 'no longer a problem', can we revert the page ourselves, or are we meant to wait for you, etc? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:33, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Members/IP Addresses who i haven't blocked/spoken with yet should be reported to me, and yes, and average members can reverse adverse effects on articles (highly encouraged). clicking previous revisions of an article in its "history" and then saving that edit replaces the current revision.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 14:43, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

==Anti-Neopian Article==
Propose locking of the Anti-Neopian article? As the is the encyclopaedia of Neopets, it would seem logically to include it in an objective way, but the nature of the article is that it likely to encourage vandalism - we do not want to turn the Neodex into one big discussion of issues that are not likely to be resolved. If there are any arguements that either side think should be added, they can always be put into the Talk page first, to maintain the objectiveness of the entry... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:20, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:<nowiki>*</nowiki>bows* good idea. will do so right now. Other than that, how do you feel about the current state of the article?--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:28, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

It makes me wonder how one can draw a connection between a childrens site about animated pets and devil-worship... ;). I think the arguments and counter arguments (and rebuttals) are presented fairly sucinctly. Although personally, I do wonder about a lot of Anti-neopian points, like how they came up with them... They seem somewhat random. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:42, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:If you look back through the history of the article, you can see the written connection between devil worship and Neopets dealt with Scientology as well. I'm guessing they are just trying to anger or excite people to reply violently, as a form of entertainment. we shall see.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:00, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

==Unspoken Rules==
I intend to expand on the Unspoken Rules section on give it a more encyclopaedic voice, but as it is one of the articles linked directly to from Help Contents page, I wanted to confirm with you whether I can do this first? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:31, 30 May 2006 (CDT)

:The help page in general needs a reworking. was going to try and see what i can do about it, looking over other help pages (wikipedia's in general) and the like and see what we need. what help you can offer would be good.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:44, 30 May 2006 (CDT)

==Article for Deletion==
The article [[Root Canal Champion]] originally just said "hi" I changed the text to what it currently is. --[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 21:33, 22 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:Root Canal Champion will not and should not be deleted. it should be filled with the proper data, as it is a term used on Neopets in reference to a trophy TNT members have on their user lookups. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:54, 23 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Proposal: Game Hints==
Post 68.142.54.193's modifictaion of the [[Extreme Herder]] page and [[Talk: Extreme Herder|talk page]], it has occured to me that there are a lot of game techniques which we could record, under a 'Tatics' heading, on the game pages, perhaps? Do we have your 'go' on this? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 15:45, 5 Aug 2006 (CDT)

:You have my "go" for that. Collected tactics and practices of games were going to be part of the NeoDex from the start i believe (along wit the history and such of course ;) ). --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:55, 5 Aug 2006 (CDT)

==Question: TCG links==
A lot of TCG links at the bottom of pages have just been left as [name], with no actual link (e.g. [Gormball]): are these meant to link to the image of the trading card, or to the little pop-up page one gets when one clicks on them on the TCG Checklist, or... ? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:32, 7 Aug 2006 (CDT)

:The TCG links (and NeoDeck links for that matter) are meant "to be filled", as i didn't feel like doing the work at the time to fill them out. yes, i was lazy. :D The proper links can be found in the examples of [[JubJub]]. For NeoDeck, it's the pop up description while viewing a users neodeck (or the spoiler page). For TCG cards, it's the when a user clicks the card on the checklist. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 11:39, 7 Aug 2006 (CDT)

==Neopets Ad Comic...Things==
You've probably noticed the 5 ([http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic1.swf 1], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic2.swf 2], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic3.swf 3], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic4.swf 4], [http://images.neopets.com/728ads/npcomic5.swf 5]) new comic-style adverts that have been appearing on the site (they were mentioned in a [http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&issue=255 recent editorial] too) - I was wondering if you had any idea what we could call them for an article. I'm stumped: 'comics' is too much like the section in the neopian times, they aren't really 'ads'... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:39, 4 Sep 2006 (CDT)

:Put it in the [[Neopets]] article, under a "banner ads" section...or something like that. seeing as banner ads are a big thing on the website, don't see why can't there be a fill section on everything about them, dealing with their contect and their history. and yes, these ARE ads, as they are on the banner ads section. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:54, 4 Sep 2006 (CDT)

==Staff Page Editing==
Ahh that looks much better. Thanks Jacob! (Yukio) --[[User:58.165.59.30|58.165.59.30]] 18:31, 10 Oct 2006 (CDT)

==Non-Neopets created pages==
Hi Jacob, this article has unnecessary links in it that are non-neopets related such as linking to staff members at the fansite. Reccomended for removing the links. Furthermore, someone created actual pages for the staff members which I also vote for deletion. http://www.pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php/TheDailyNeopets

==Admin + Disambiguation==
Hey there, who do you contact to get admin powers? Also, how do you create disambiguation pages on this neopedia? Id like to make one for the wheels im editing at the moment. Thanks. --[[User:Lewisg|Lewisg]] 08:29, 8 Nov 2006 (CST)

:As i am the head admin of the neodex, i'm the one to contact about being an administrator. And creating a disambiguation page is just like creating a normal page, which links to all the other articles which have "disambiguaty", and link to the [[:Category: Disambiguation |Disambiguation category]]. Look in their for examples of them. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:54, 8 Nov 2006 (CST)

==Current Events==
Its the 17th and we still have the October calender >_> [[User:82.27.224.85|82.27.224.85]] 13:23, 17 Nov 2006 (CST)

:wow. thank you for pointing that out. :D no, we are in November now, as the dates in the "calender box" show. i just forgot to change the month title. Again, thank you. *thumbs up* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 18:10, 17 Nov 2006 (CST)

== Taking the Next Step ==
Hola Jacob :) Now that NeoDex has a decent amount of articles, and in light of your recent news post, I think NeoDex is ready to take the next step, but this is of course whether you're comfortable with it :) I think it's a great time now to start "invading" the Neopets community by opening up affiliation opportunities with NeoDex itself. I've started doing that with http://www.pinkpt.com/neopool What do you think? --[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 19:56, 18 Nov 2006 (CST)

:I'm a little confused by the affiliations you speak of, as you make it sound like the NeoDex and Neopool are seperate from PinkPT, when in fact they are sections and departments of the same area. Wouldn't it be simpler to have all affiliations be with PinkPT itself? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 22:06, 18 Nov 2006 (CST)

::Yep that already occurs, but allowing section affiliation (essentially sections that are large enough to be identified as their own stand-alone site) allows added exposure for not only PPT has a whole, but also that section itself. Your call. --[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 22:54, 18 Nov 2006 (CST)

==Banning?==
Understand that I do not wish to undermine you for a moment, but taking into account what you posted as news on PinkPT recently about whether some editors of the Neodex had been banned through ignorance rather than malicious intent, don't you think giving someone 20,000 hours for adding a emoticon to an article to be something of an overkill? Especially when someone who added a advertising image got only 24...? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:04, 10 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Touche. You are right on that. I'm pretty random with the bannings, aren't i? What would you reccomend? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:36, 10 Dec 2006 (CST)

Well, we really should sort out some sort of vandalism scale, with suggested hours for each level of vandalism noted, rising for repeat offenders within a range of hours per crime. Probably as part of [[Neodex:Banning]]...Let me see what I can come up with... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:28, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

:It's easy to spot vandalizers. people who just post smileys or say "hi" are part of it, though they may be unintentional, and "seeing for themselves" if they can REALLY type in whatever they want and show it to the world. so i guess people who do things like that should at least receive some warning instead of complete banning (unless, of course, they do it to several pages, and should really know better). next higher offender would be those who upload content for the purpose of advertizing their account. the worst offenders are those who place malicious or abhorent material on articles (spam links, or random wiki code with no data in them). So i suppose a system could be written around those levels, yes?

:out of curiousity, would you think it proper to look through all the currently blocked IPs in reguards to this, and unblock a few? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:37, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

::I took the initiative and looked through all the blocked IPs, taking mercy on a few of them (and cross referencing with the Wikipedia list of IPs as well, just to be sure). I think the remainder of the IPs on our list are questionable in what they have given enough to keep them there...i think. *ponders* again, you can have a look to see. As always, an ongoing process. let's hope for the best. *salute* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 00:35, 28 Dec 2006 (CST)

I noticed you seem to increase the expiry time for vandals posting vulgar links from time to time. I just don't understand the sense of it. As the IPs nor the posted links are never the same, this won't prevent further spamming. I'm not against your time regulations, I just don't see the sense. Mind to explain?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 08:21, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)

:I'm random. That's basically the whole summary of it all. :D Plus i do think the IPs are all connected, as the neoboard talk page has been a large target as of late, with the offender(s) possibly having several different IPs in place. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 18:29, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)

==HTML-wiki-converter==
I just didn't know who to speak with so I speak with you. Your user page says that you know a bit HTML. Do you know the [http://diberri.dyndns.org/wikipedia/html2wiki/index.html HTML-wiki-converter?] I thought it might be helpful. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 13:12, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Thank you for the link. this is a very helpful teaching tool. It can allow those who understand html to understand wiki markup better (and vice versa), and allow faster conversion of data. while looking into this, i found [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Tools/Editing tools|other helpful tools]] as well. Lots of things to look into. Again, thank you. *bows* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 14:55, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

==Your edit to Galem==
I do not get the edit to Galem. You said it was "vulgar" what was that? Also, it looked like Galem lost his heart to me, look closely at the silliouette. --Unsigned by 66.63.86.156 00:55, 12 Dec 2006

:It's nothing more than the artists whim, similar to the switching of the jaw colour with Darigan. Also, Neopets would never visibly show something like that to users, especially when the image is right there in fron of us. Seriously, why would the TNT show that to a mostly younger crowd? They wouldn't. exactly. you can look into it all you want, but that didn't and couldn't happen. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 19:29, 11 Dec 2006 (CST)

::His death seems that was to me. [[User:66.63.86.156|66.63.86.156]] 13:45, 12 Dec 2006 (CST)

==Red "!"==
Hey there Jacob. What does the Red "!" on the Recent updates page mean? Ive never seen them on another wiki before lol. --[[User:Lew|Lew]] 18:01, 13 Dec 2006 (CST)

:It shows whenever any edit to a page occurs. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:20, 13 Dec 2006 (CST)

::It depends on the preferences of the wiki. In some wikis, only sysops are able to see them. You can klick the "diff" link of the edit and mark it as patrolled meaning that the difference was checked by somebody. This will remove the red "!". The question is, is it useful to make the feature available to all users? --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 10:04, 14 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Oh. I can't say I've noticed. I usually go through all the edits on the Recent Changes page to check they are all valid, patrolled or not... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:39, 14 Dec 2006 (CST)

I've begun to take addvantage of this feature and patrol the articles as per my duties as admin (or should at least be my duties). This will signify that a user has looked over the data and has seen it and another user doesn't need to look it over (they still can of course). Having this be a sysop exclusive would be much better too. *ponders* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:05, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

==Site protection==
I noticed that in the discussion about Galgarroth you said that you will suspend everybody who claims Galgarroth is dead for a while. Don't you have the possibility to "protect" an article/make it editable only by registred members or sysops? I think the link should look like [http://www.pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Galgarroth&action=protect this].--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 03:30, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

:I just found [[NeoDex:Protected page]]. I really shouldn't tell a sysop what he can do on a wiki. A big sorry for that. :( --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 08:33, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

Not wishing to hijack this question from Jacob, but should edits to the Galgarroth article that contravene the discussion continue, the page may be protected in addition to a temporary suspension, yes.

And we are all editors, suggestions are always welcome. :). --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:59, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

:It's really alright Himmelsdemon. :D Macbeth is right though, that we may need to protect the article should edits continue as they were, even though i would like to leave the article open for all users to edit, as it really isn't a very large or controversial character like Lord Darigan/Dr. Frank Sloth/Fyora (and i do worry about those articles should disputes arise :o ). But it will be done should it occur. will hope it will never have to come to that. *fingers crossed* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:13, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)

::Well, now I have to officially ask you to make [[NeoBoard]] editable for registered users only. It drives me mad. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:11, 9 Jan 2007 (CST)

==User Page Protection==
Would you like to put the '''<nowiki>{{protected}}</nowiki>''' template on your user page? I won't do it myself as, well, it's up to you if you want it, as it is not a mainspace article. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:32, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)

:I think the template would make the page look a little off, so i'm fine with just having it be protected and not have it be notified as such with template.

==Coding update==
I saw at [[Talk:Jelly World]] that there will be an update for the wiki. May I ask what exactly is planned?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 07:11, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

:I talked to Yukio about it, and said he would contact the proper people about it. Will hopefully hear something more soon. perhaps we could include your idea? *points to topic below*

==Protecting Talk Pages==
We can't start protected talk pages, vandalism or not. They are designed specifically to remain unprotected so that the contents of the article, whether protected or otherwise, can be discussed... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:16, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

:Well, maybe the whole load of Neodex/index.phtml or whatever should be deleted and we would look what happens. (Just adding it as you reminded me of this, Macbeth). Maybe the wiki could be coded so that we can protect the page from editing by IPs, but not from editing by registered users? *pokes comment above* --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:03, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

You are right Macbeth, in that we can't protect talk pages. A goof by me on my part, and i'll make sure all talk pages hence forth remain free of protection. Though i do have to admit the spamming infuriates me...and i'm sure i'm not the only one. But again, no more protecting them. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:05, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

Himmelsdemon? That's a wonderful idea. Having only registered users being able to edit articles would totally eliminate the problem with spamming IPs, allowing us to overview and control what goes into the NeoDex easier. It would then force everyone to log in of course, and i think spammers would then just create accounts to spam with, but it least it would be easier to maintain the integrity of the NeoDex. Perhaps this could be included in the updating to take place? *points to topic above* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:05, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

Well, I think I expressed a bit wrong what I meant. The idea was to be able to protect pages so that only registered users are able to edit them, not making the wiki "IP-free". We had this before on our German wiki, but I think this made the wiki less attractive to writers. People seem to be somewhat...afraid of logging in into new pages.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 11:40, 1 Mar 2007 (CST)
:And yet willing to edit and display an IP address... Heh. Wikipedia does have a semi-protection system to block unregistered users editing certain pages. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 13:23, 2 Mar 2007 (CST)

==Spam protection==
In reference to the above: I also recently found [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features this]. Any way it could be used in the wiki filtering codes like <a href=... and [url]?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 01:59, 11 Mar 2007 (CST)

:Those are some nice features which could be used, and i really like the idea of the "SpamBlacklist extension" and "ConfirmEdit extension". SpamBlacklist extension could currently be used, but we will still need to update the wiki to use ConfirmEdit extension. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 09:59, 11 Mar 2007 (CST)

The spam problem is really getting out of hand now... It's crazy! I just hope it's due to weekends, and not due to automated script. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] 03:07, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

::You are right...it is crazy. The ammount of spamming which is going on seems to be growing as well. I sure hope my words of updating are being taken seriously, as we can't really do our job of proper editing when we keep having to correct the "errors" of others. :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 09:33, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

By the way, when you happen to have free time, could you go through [[Special:Listusers]] and delete some users completely from the database? Some of the names are just inappropriate.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:06, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

===Relevant PHP-code===
There should be a file called LocalSettings.php somewhere on the webspace. That is the file which defines all the relevant things regarding the wiki. These lines need to be inserted into the code:
<pre># Disable anonymous editing
$wgWhitelistEdit = true;</pre>
because this is the Mediawiki-version 1.4.7 (I checked at [[Special:Version]]). Anyway, it seems so be even easier than I thought (unless the PHP is stored somewhere else).
Informations are taken from [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_editing_of_all_pages Mediawiki manual].--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 10:09, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:I think I can see where to shove that in ;). Question is, do we really want to disable anonymous editing? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 12:51, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

::Unless there is a way we could upgrade to Mediawiki version 1.5 (or above) without losing all the content, this is the only way for now to get rid of the spam. I also hope that, when the spammers realize they cant edit any pages, they will refrain from trying to do so in the future. We could remove the protection after a certain time.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 14:16, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:Something needs to be done. Urgently. There are bots that post links to sites that contain, let me say this straight away, adult content (I just blocked one such bot for 10 years). I know this sounds pathetic, but please think of the children. I think all the bots damage Neodex a lot far more than the unability for anonymous users to edit would do. If you really know what to do, Macbeth, this definitely needs to be done. Apologies to Jacob for using this site for such discussions.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:46, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

::You need not worry Demon. I understand the urgency of the situation, and i'm quite tired of all the bots myself. On a side note, do you think it would be best to delete all previous edits of the talk page once this coding has been implemented (i.e. delete and recreate the article), so no one has see see the "edit summary" of the bots? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 00:38, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

:::I think it is a good idea.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 08:55, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

::::Bad idea: we would lose the 'valid' page history. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 10:58, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::Uhm, I thought, Jacob was referring to deleting the article and restoring only the harmless versions.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 13:23, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

The method i would use: I would save the "clean" version of the talk pages (which have not been used for anything except vandalism and letting people know about it to begin with), and delete the talk page. would then recreate it with the clean talk page. all the revisions would still be saved for us admins to look over (deleted as they are), and the new history would be clean slate. I think it's better than having over 250 revisions of xanax and other spammed edit summaries confusing people...yes, there have been over 250 vandalisms on the armada page. :(

:I just uploaded this coding into the local settings file...seems to work. :S Will know soon enough how this all turns out. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:33, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

::I think it is safe to say anon. editing blocking has worked wondrously. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 15:31, 15 Jun 2007 (UTC)

:::It worked for awhile at least. Now accounts are just being created to spam. Great. :( In either case, another measure can be made for this, such as [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEmailAuthentication email authentication]...though the coding of the wiki would need to be updraged first. And should that be done, we can then use others things such as [[wikipedia:CAPTCHA|CAPTCHA]] and blacklists to stop the vandalism if even authentication isn't enough. Mind you, vandalism can never be fully stopped, as there is nothing stopping any random editor from creating an account normally and causing destruction...but we can at least stop bots and make a system difficult for them to manipulate. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:27, 19 Jun 2007 (UTC)
::::Yeah. CAPTCHA ''can'' be implemented with MediaWiki, I am quite positive. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 18:16, 19 Jun 2007 (UTC)

==Games Category==
Jacob, I added the category:games stuff to Snowmuncher and Jelly Blobs, because without them they don't show up on the main Games page (the one linked from the Main Page), which seems pretty undesirable to me. Is there a reason *not* to have them? Other games have both the category and subcategory. [[User:Belltower|Belltower]] 10:06, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:In my opinion, if we are still following the [[NeoDex:Categorization|categorization rules]], we should remove the games category from all existing games on Neodex (except those which is impossible to have a sub-category). Unless we are going to use the games category page as a games index page, it's rather pointless to categorize a game as an "action game" and "game" at the same time... --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] 11:03, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

::Since the [[Main Page]] links to the [[:Category: Games]] page, I'd say there either should be a redesign where it links to a different games page, or items should get the above category. Personally, I like having a master list. Plenty of Neopets games have elements of more than one category, so if I'm searching for a game whose name or spelling I've forgotten, I'd rather not have to guess whether it's a puzzle game or an action game. On the other hand, I can see a strong counter-argument: sponsor games of a limited lifetime would clog up such a list in a hurry. --[[User:Belltower|Belltower]] 11:46, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Yes, we ''are'' following the [[NeoDex:Categorization|categorization rules]] set. Individual games will not be labelled with the "Games" category, but all the sub-categories (action, puzzle, etc.) of game types it belongs to ([[Scourge of the Lab Jellies]] is a "board game" and "puzzle"). Only if there is no sub-category for it to go in should a game be placed in the games category. Game articles which already have the games category attached to them are that way because they haven't been taken off yet.

if you are looking for a certain game you've forgotten the title of and don't want to guess which sub-category of gaming it belongs to (which ''will'' show up on the games category), you can use the search box on the left hand side to help you (for more information, see [[NeoDex:Searching]]). misspelled titles (those found) will usually redirect to the proper article, and [[:Category:Disambiguation|Disambiguation]] articles will help as well. and yes, it's realized sponsor game articles would clog up the subcategory lists, and that is wy they have [[:Category:Sponsored Games|their own category]]. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:35, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:Perhaps the [[Main Page]] should link to [[Games]] then, and not [[:Category: Games]]? --[[User:Belltower|Belltower]] 17:04, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

::Updating of the front page will come soon, though i'm hesitant to having it link to the games room. the games room focuses only on games found there, and there are many other games. At least this is what comes to my mind when i think of it, and this may not be the case when i looked at indepth. All the same, thank you for bringing this to attention, and hope to update the frontpage accordingly very soon. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:12, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

==Neodex Policies (and other stories...)==
Contemplating the recent revamp into the help section, it occurs to me that perhaps the Neodex could benefit from a [[Neodex:Criteria for inclusion|Criteria for inclusion]], a la [[Wikipedia:WP:NOT|What Wikipedia is not]]... A lot of it will be similar to the Wikipedia article on the topic, but there would be some key differences - e.g., no biographies of actual users excepting staff members... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:46, 27 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:(Of course, we also have the [[Neodex:Policy|Policy]] page, which sort of equates to the Wikipedia's five pillars. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:52, 27 Apr 2007 (CDT))

::thank you for the word. this does sound like a good idea, and where to have the information...i don't really know. :( Will need to discuss, think, and rashly edit to see what works i guess. On what articles aren't allowed, i recently deleted articles about a series of toons in the Neopian Times, due to the creator not showing any big relevence to neopets (plus it doesn't seem proper to have such an article). While that's an easier thing to decide on, articles speaking of certain users may be another. Some users are very notable (such as featheralley), and users may want to have an article on the user. But i don't think it would be proper all the same, so perhaps it would be good to lay out the "no user article" rule. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 09:33, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:::Indeed. I recall recently that some added ''Majal_kita'' to the list of famous Jetsams... I think it would be best not to include users outside of TNT and actual Neopets due to the double standards that will inevitably occur due to notability. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:58, 28 Apr 2007 (CDT)

==HI JAKE==
hi, um, do you know what type of faerie Fyora is? --unsigned by 71.92.99.181 (Tara) 03:43, 5 May 2007

:[[Fyora]] is the ''Faerie Queen''. :P I don't think she falls under any one alignment, and is capable of all forms of magic (some other special faeries have shown this power as well). To discuss Fyora further, you can use her articles talk page. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:16, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

==Petpetpet article==
Since you mentioned that there were 7 original [[petpetpet]]s ([[Vernax]] article), do you happen to know which petpetpets belong to that group? I'm assuming /petpetpet1.gif - /petpetpet4.gif, but what are the other 3? It seems unlikely that /petpetpet5.gif and /petpetpet6.gif ever were released at all. [[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 14:21, 10 Jun 2007 (UTC)

:You can read about the 7 petpetpets from the mouth of The Neopets Team itself in [http://www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=102 editorial 102]...they are named as well. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 14:31, 10 Jun 2007 (UTC)

==Petpet==
[http://www.neopets.com/~100bottles]. Yes, I will eventually (when both university and my little CC-project do not require my attention anymore) edit those articles and add pictures of the Petpets' previous incarnations, as well as adding more article-worthy text. Until then, here's your proof and you'll just have to trust me. As for editing my old post, I din't think it would harm anyone considering no one had replied yet. [[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 15:24, 18 Jun 2007 (UTC)

==Disco Pets?==
I wasn't sure who to ask about this, but I was wondering why there isn't a page on the color disco. Since it's a color for both neopets and petpets and also featured in many items, I think this should be a page. --Unsigned by Lombre459 17:44, 27 Jun 2007

:Thank you for bringing this to my attention. ;) While Neopets, Petpets and items can all share certain themes, having an article about a each of the themes really doesn't make sense. Can you imagine an article about "Red", and the fact neopets/petpets can be coloured that way, and all red items shared? Seems a little silly, doesn't it? :S

:However, "Disco" is one of those colours which may be notable. besides showing the eccentric content TNT creates, some of the colours also give Neopets clothing for the Neopets customisation feature (at least i think this is right). Having it as an article is something of discussion, which i'm willing to have. *opens up ears*

:For future notices and questions, you can also visit the [[NeoDex talk:Community Portal|Community Portal discussion]], where you can address the community rather than a particular editor. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:14, 27 Jun 2007 (UTC)

I think this may be one of the more notable colors. I think it may be one which deserves a page.--[[User:Lombre459|Lombre459]] 03:42, 28 Jun 2007 (UTC)

::Mmm. I think it is notable enough for an article, also. You are welcome to create one, Lombre459 :¬). --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:11, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)

==Under Construction==
Just wondering what the Construction template on [[The Great Desert Race]] was for. --[[User:Hespitinmysoup|Hespitinmysoup]] 04:22, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:For one (and most important), the article didn't have the gaming template on it which should be placed on all game articles which apply. Also, I thought a more detailed and structured outline of the game and game mechanics was needed (and no, i didn't mean take out the "The Game" section). For examples of good game articles, see [[Web of Vernax]] and [[Faerie Bubbles]]. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:55, 1 Jul 2007 (UTC)
::kk, I modeled it after [[Eye of the Storm]] sorry, thought that was the par for a decent article. {{sign|Hespitinmysoup}}

==Battledome Equipment articles==
I'm just putting down basic information. There are a lot of things that are still missing and I was just working on filling in the blanks before making them "notable" --Unsigned by Daeron 22:50, 3 Jul 2007

:I can understand where you're coming from. I used to spend quite a bit of my time on wikipedia. I noticed that there was no format for such a thing and I figured I'd use my experience to start one. May I ask why I should look at the template? --Unsigned by Daeron 23:07, 3 Jul 2007

::The way you are currently using the template doesn't seem right. I haven't looked at all the articles you've used it for yet, but you mentioned it as "attack: 2", when i'm sure it's more than that, ESPECIALLY with the faerie alignment each battledome equipment uses.

::Why are you moving the conversation to my talk page when I started it on yours? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:14, 3 Jul 2007 (UTC)

==HTML Help==
I need help, when I do not add the page to my favourites it adds, and you know the bar that says the url of the page you are in, and when i type, (i.e. www.p), and it says pinkpt.com, how do i get rid of it? --AchyfiLover

:If you ''start'' a discussion on YOUR talk page, DO NOT continue it on mine. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:34, 8 Aug 2007 (UTC)

==Adding Items==
In the big picture, is there going to be a wiki article for each item? {{sign|Jocelyn}}

:No, as has been stated in a few articles and other discussion (see [[Talk:Main Page]], [[NeoDex talk:Community Portal]], [[Template talk:BattleItem]], [[User talk:Daeron]], and the recently created [[Talk:Ummagine]] for more examples...I know there are more across the NeoDex somewhere). To make an article about ''every'' item would be crazy. Can you imagine an article about "Bread", which is an item on Neopets? What articles to include should always be discussed before creating (use the [[NeoDex talk:Community Portal]] or an [[NeoDex:Administrators|admins]] talk page for this). --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:42, 14 Aug 2007 (UTC)

::On this note, we should write a criteria for inclusion... :/ --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 22:32, 14 Aug 2007 (UTC)

==Wiki Image==
Maybe a bit of a silly question, but what is a "wiki image". You put the banner at the [[Mibblie]] article back up requesting for a wiki image, even though the article already has an image. Is it prefered to use uploaded files to illustrate articles? [[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 20:17, 18 Aug 2007 (UTC)

:Wiki image refers to an internal image in the NeoDex database. The image there was an external link, aka pulled from the Neopets database. For more information, see [[Help:Images]]. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 03:19, 19 Aug 2007 (UTC)

==Wondering==
Can one change the name of an image file? -[[User:DreamingLady|DreamingLady]] 08:30, 19 Sep 2007 (UTC)

:I believe you are referring to the current [[Vaeolus]] image, right? The answer is no. If a new title is desired for any image, it must be reuploaded with a different title. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:50, 19 Sep 2007 (UTC)

==Staff Page Clean==
Hey Jacob! I was looking at the staff page, updating bits here and there, and was wondering if you could perhaps look at cleaning it up given your experience with coding at WIKI? More specifically, the retired staff members list is starting to overwhelm the active staff lists page. Hmmm what do you think can be done? --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 23:22, 28 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:Will see what can be done. Will probably throw in a wiki table to make it more compact. And just so you know, I think it would be good to explain your removal of previous show hosts and other staff members, because they aren't even in the retired section. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:18, 29 Oct 2007 (UTC)

::Ta. Once the structure is in, I can play around with the listings a bit more. I asked you because you were familiar with how to code things here. Hosts were removed because the show doesn't really operate on a permanent host basis... we have changing guest hosts every episode so to have them in as "staff" would be inaccurate. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 04:51, 30 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:::I guess that makes sense. Should a list of all past hosts be made all the same? Like on the main PPT Show article which isn't created yet, along with other PPT material? In either case, will do what I can for the [[PinkPT Staff]] page. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 23:57, 30 Oct 2007 (UTC)

==Sorry for the little trouble==
I'm sorry,so sorry,not explaining well,but I'm just a newbie,and also sorry for not answering on days! I was busy on AC 3 {{sign|Andycortez221}}

==I just can't seem to win==
Yet another setback in my life which is going to delay the NeoDex even further: my computer is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATfkpEV-LGk out of commision]. A lot of my work (personal work at least) and plans were set around the computer, so I'm at a loss as to where to go from here. Will be reviewing my repair options, and how I can hopefully continue to maintain a presence online. Even though I'm pretty much going to be gone. Just when I happened to get a hang of thing, ''this'' happens to me. I can't seem to get a break, you know? :(

Anyway, just wanted to let you all know the situation. Will hopefully get things worked out soon... *sigh* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 22:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
:<nowiki>:</nowiki>( Hope things sort themselves out soon. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 03:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Still don't have a computer of my own, though I may get one within the next month if I decide to follow a certain path. Will find out soon. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 07:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

==Correction to the PinkPT Staff Page==
On the PinkPT Staff Page, under PPT Main, for Paid Newsposters, Nevitec and Siouxper are the same person ;) I didn't know where I should contact you, so I figured I'd try here :P

Siouxper 20:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know. Will let Yukio/Kym know, since that's his department. If not, he knows someone who will look into it. :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for the update guys. I've made the correction.--[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 11:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

==Offer of help==
Jacob: Hello! My name is Ashleigh! If you need any help around the site let me know! I am a great graphics and HTML/CSS/XHTML master. xD Great work! -Ashleigh 1:09; 30 Aug 2008 (EST)

:Feel free to edit the NeoDex. That's what it's there for. :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 07:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

==Logo==
Umm hey Jacob. Are you ever going to change the logo at the top left corner back to the regular one? because it is showing the logo from Halloween. {{sign|69.211.56.15‎}}

:I actually have no power to change it, nor did I really know such a change occurred until a couple of weeks ago (didn't manage to log in till now). On it being changed... *shrugs* U suppose some words could be said. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 10:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
==Templates?==
Hi Jacob. I hope you don't mind my asking but is it OK for a regular user to create a template? {{sign|72.94.165.145}}

Will you please answer my question? Because I have a template in mind that I would like to create, but I think I might need your go-ahead to do it. {{sign|72.94.165.145}}

:Any user is free to create and edit any page or template...within reason of course. Everything brought forth will be overseen by the other admin and regular users, and it will be debated if it's worthwhile, worthless, or could be done better via another method. Thus is the process of wiki. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 07:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! {{sign|72.94.165.145}}

===)==
Great to have your support, Jacob :). You should drop by every so often, check up on how your brain child is growing - you know, don't be a stranger! =P

Hope all's okay with you, and I hope you can get back to the Neodex some day in the future - to paraphrase ''[[wikipedia:Mostly Harmless|Mostly Harmless]]'', I think the official line is that you're just on some very extended, ill-defined lunch break ^^;. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 14:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

:Don't forget your towel! --[[User:Freefalldreams|Freefalldreams]] 02:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

::Never forget a towel! :D --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Welcome back Jacob! :D [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 20:21, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Not really "back", as I just came in to see how things were after awhile...and it would seem things have gone bust. In the last few days no doubt. I thought I'd stop in and try a few things, though it seems I've lost my admin permissions. Sure, I wasn't around for awhile, but I didn't think ''that'' would occur. Granted it doesn't stop me from trying some things, but...oh well. I take it you've had your hands full (understatement that it is)? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Sorry about that. Since we won't know who exactly is the person logging back into an inactive account, it's better to remove the sysop and bruracrat status until the identity is confirm. I can request Kym to re-instate your sysop status, and perhaps your bruracrat status as well if you like. ;) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 02:02, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::I had no idea I was ''inactive''...though I suppose if you openly state you're going to be away for awhile, I guess that's a good reason to assume as much. ;)

==Snorkle mix-up==
Seems that the vandal moved the Snorkle page to 'Snorkel'. I've returned the article and the talk page now :) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 01:59, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

:I have returned the Roo Island article as well. I hope this is the last article with deleted data. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 02:10, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

::No way to find out for sure until we discover missing links or review the entire edit list of those "users". I wouldn't recommend the later, as I'm sure it's quite large. :o --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:08, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Just a reminder-- the vandal's IP will be unblocked today. Beware... [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 14:50, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I hope he's found a new hobby after his IP has been blocked. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pink]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|girl]][[User:Pinkgirl34/NQII Walkthrough|34]] 02:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::He didn't. He is back. Dizzy forgot to block: [[User:SzAy88]] [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 15:02, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::To be fair, blocking will only stop so much, since another account could just be created. Then there's the fact I don't think this is a person, but a bot. Kinda has to be, considering the work that was done. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 05:26, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Jacob, I'm sending you a private message on the Pinkpt forum. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 13:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Ohai! ==

I don't think we have spoken to each other since you are back (if we did, forgive my old brain :)) Just wanted to say hi and that it is good to see your face on here again.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:42, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

NeoDex talk:Community portal/Archive 1

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==Community Portal Lists==
===Completed Goals===
The following are goals which were completed on the NeoDex.

*'''Article Goal (200)''' - 200 articles, our first milestone!
**''? - ? - It's unknown when this goal was reached, but it happened sometime within the first few months of the creation of the NeoDex.''
*'''Neopets List''' - Filling out the list of Neopets and having all wiki links work with it.
**''March 3, 2006 - March 6, 2006 - Creating an article for every neopet, and users can find/edit them from the <s>Pet types</s> category to which they all are linked to.''
*'''Neopia''' - Filling out the world of [[Neopia]] and making all wiki links work with it.
**''March 3, 2006 - March 7, 2006 - Created the proper named pages, redirecting to the proper worlds in each, and the correctly spelled ones as well, as there were many seperate pages telling information about the same world, when they could be just one.''
*'''Games''' - Making the [[:Category: Games|Games]] category the official section, and taking down all other game pages
**''March 6, 2006 - March 10, 2006 - Moved all seperate gaming pages into one section, and made article copies of same article topic into one article.''
*'''Article Goal (1000)''' - 1000 Articles before the Neodex's first Birthday!
**''July 3, 2006 - July 11, 2006''
*'''Gaming Revamp''' - On November 21, 2006, Neopets redesigned the game room, requiring the NeoDex to add new gaming categories and other information. Time to get our game on! HUZZAH!
**''November 22, 2006 - December 14, 2006''
*'''"To Do List" to "Construction List"''' - On September 27, 2006, an effort to make the [[:Category:Under Construction|Construction]] list to be the official "To Do List" began. All articles linked to the original were to be altered to link to the new list, after which the original would be deleted.
**''September 27, 2006 - January 25, 2007''
*'''Disambiguation''' - A [[:Template:disambig|template]] was created for [[:Category:Disambiguation|Disambiguation]] articles on March 11, 2007. We need to mark ''all'' of the articles with it at the bottom of the page, replacing the category coding.
**''March 11, 2007 - March 12, 2007''
*'''Help Section''' - [[User:Jacob|Jacob]] and [[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] are currently working on expanding and revamping the NeoDex [[Help:Contents|help]] section. Suggestions can be added to relevant talk pages.
**''January 10, 2007 - April 13, 2007''
*'''Altador Cup 2006''' - There has been a rumor about a new [[Altador Cup]] starting this June. Before this comes about, as much data as possible should be gathered about the previous year, because it's quite possible the old data will disappear when the new one begins. Hurry!
**''April 18, 2007 - May 21, 2007 - Should the 2007 season follow the same format of 2006, it can be easily integrated with the completed 2006 data. If not...At least it has been completed. ;)''
*'''A "Secrets" Category?''' - Why do we need a "secrets" category when all articles are supposed to have secrets in them to begin with? Help fix articles which are linked to this redundant category for its future deletion.
**''May 10, 2007 - May 25, 2007''
*'''It's "NeoQuest", not "Neoquest"''' - There are 2 categories which have misspelled "NeoQuest": <s>Neoquest</s> and <s>Neoquest II</s>. The proper categories should be [[:Category:NeoQuest I|NeoQuest I]] and [[:Category:NeoQuest II|NeoQuest II]]. All articles linking to the wrong categories should be fixed, and when both misspelled categories are cleared, they will be deleted.
**''June 20, 2007 - June 22, 2007''
*'''PPL Category = Redundant!''' - It was [[Category talk:Petpets|recently found]] the <s>Petpet Protection League</s> category is redundant, and should be deleted. Before deletion can occur, all articles within the category need to be edited, severing any connection they have with the category (this also includes talk pages, whose wiki links can simple be <s>struck</s> through).
**''August 15, 2007 - August 16, 2007''
*'''Misspellings 101''' - There are over 150 misspellings in the NeoDex. Let's try to lower them to under 50!
**''April 14, 2007 - August 23, 2007''
*'''Proper Neopet Category''' - It was decided the <s>Pet types</s> was an improper name for Neopets, and that [[:Category:Neopet Species|Neopet Species]] would be better. Once All articles linked to "Pet types" are linked to "Neopets Species", it shall be deleted.
**''September 8, 2007 - October 14, 2007''
*'''"Characters" Category Clean-Up''' - The [[:Category:Characters|Characters]] category has over 200 articles linked to it! In order to make it more easily navigated, we need to link them to more appropriate sub-categories (where it applies). The easiest way to do this it to label the characters as either a [[:Category:Heroes|Hero]] or [[:Category:Villains|Villain]] (or both if it applies). The goal is to get as close to 150 articles in "Characters" as we can.
**''August 28, 2007 - October 26, 2007''
*'''No Such Thing As Spoilers''' - In the past, it was once deemed necessary to label plots as containing spoilers in any wiki if they spoiled something for the reader. However, this has sense changed, and the placing of a spoiler tag on articles is now frowned upon...but the NeoDex still has one!!! We need to remove all tags from articles which have them, then we can delete the template, which has become a relic of a world long forgotten.
**''January 31, 2008 - February 11, 2008''

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==Content off Wikipedia==
As a preventive measure: there is content that was copied from Wikipedia, such as [[Neopets, The Website]], but they need to be brought into line with the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL GFDL] license, which says that the content needs to be attributed to the writers. (I'm not sure, but perhaps just linking to the Wikipedia article and saying that some content was "taken from" or "based on" it would be enough?) Thanks. [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] 16:33, 2 Apr 2006 (CDT)

:*bows* thank you for bringing this to my attention. Will make a link to it on the discussion page (along with other articles).--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:31, 3 Apr 2006 (CDT)

::In line with the GFDL, I believe that is still illegal. You have to include it in the References section, the original URL. You may want to add to the general footer that this content is under the GFDL, and may have been taken from Wikipedia. You'll need the notice somewhere. Maybe create a template, a 'Licensed from Wikipedia' one? --Unsigned by 82.27.224.85, 20:43, 16 Nov 2006

=="Wockypedia"?==
Whereas [[wikipedia:Wookieepedia|Wookieepedia]] is the name of the Star Wars Wiki, could we rename the Neopets Wiki to "'''Wockypedia'''"? --[[User:68.102.193.78|68.102.193.78]] 21:11, 3 May 2006 (CDT) ([[wikipedia:User:Shultz IV|Shultz IV of Wikipedia]])

: I dunno. I think In-depth Neopedia, myself, to keep up with the In-depth theme. You know, In-depth NeoQuest, In-depth Battlepedia... --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 01:48, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

::ehh... I dunno, In-Depth Neopedia doesn't have much of a ring too it, especially not for a wiki. I think Neodex is alright, but reminds me a bit too much of Pokedex (y'know, from Pokemon). Neopedia sounds nice to me. --[[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:52, 12 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Collaboration==
So...i was thinking of a new feature to add to the current events, to bring it more into the spotlight. Perhaps have a featured collaborated article, one which would be collectivily worked upon until it's felt to be completed (or close enough)?--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 22:53, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

:With the new format of the community portal, this idea has taken full effect. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:33, 7 Oct 2006 (CDT)

==Item Articles?==
Are articles about items going to be included in NeoDex? The wiki seems to be in it's infancy right now and I'd love ot help out. [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 10:32, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:Articles will be made on items which are noteworthy and have a histroy to them, such as [[Dung]] or [[Motes]]. And your help would be most appreciated. Thank you.--[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 16:12, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)

==Community Live Chats==
We should set up an IRC chat room shouldn't we :) --[[User:Yukio|Yukio]] 04:06, 5 Nov 2005 (CST)

:something is called for. (would a forum be better/worse?) --[[User:Lord Matt|Lord Matt]] 07:36, 6 Nov 2005 (CST)

==NeoDex Guild==
Anyone want to meet-up / form a guild or generally get to know each other better? --unsigned--

:Perhaps we should list our (primary) NeoName (no passwords now, that would be silly) under who am I? --unsigned--

I definitely think a guild is a good idea. Anyone else up for it? :) [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] 18:08, 8 Jul 2006 (CDT)

:I'm all for it. a guild would perhaps be a nice addition to the NeoDex. I'm not going to create a guild myself, but if a member (registered member only) would like to create one, I will back it as the official guild of the NeoDex. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:01, 9 Jul 2006 (CDT)

::At the moment i think this idea is defunct, and shall not be considered anymore. Besides, there would be no way for all members of the neodex to be part of the guild should it be created, as it would mean they would need to leave the other guilds. It wouldn't be a very open community. Talk pages of articles here and the official Neodex discussion in the pinkpt forums should suffice. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:03, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

==This portal needs spifified.==
This portal needs some real big spiffying, like the main page. You should make it LOOK GOOD =/ --[[User:62.255.32.12|62.255.32.12]] 17:08, 30 Aug 2006 (CDT)

:I agree, but until we actually have a concept of what this page will actually be, we are stuck on that. any suggestions? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:09, 30 Aug 2006 (CDT)

is the current portal spifified enough? :P --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:33, 7 Oct 2006 (CDT)

=='Editors' Section==
At the risk of seeming somewhat uppity, I am worried about this section... I mean, [[User:Makuta Bookworm|one of the 'editors']] on the list has only ever edited the Community Portal and his user page, [[User:Toothless200|another]], excepting the Community Portal, his user page and the sandbox, made two edits, one minor, to the [[Cheeseroller]] article. These two members haven't edited since the 16th March and the 26th June respectively. A [[User:Qazwiz|third]] hasn't been seen sincde the 29th July and only made nine edits to anything other than his user page or the community portal (and was disciplined for at least one of these)...

Frankly, I feel this section could be made useful as a reference for members of the community who are currently active and make significant contributions or were active and made a significant contribution... After all, it may help for a new user to consult such members...

I think at best the Editor's section should be used as a sort of Hall of Fame of editors - no doubt the wrong words to use, but if you can understand from my above comments what I mean... For example, while [[User:Lord Matt|Lord Matt]] hasn't been on for a while, when he was on he made many of the earliest contributions. [[User:Duke of Earl|Duke of Earl]] contributed in a similar manner.

[[User:Mirmadon|Mirmadon]] for her extensive care-taking and [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] for his dedication (when he got the time, anyway ;)).

Oh, and who is that other, tirelessly devoted one? [[User:Jacob|His name escapes me]], but I'm fairly sure he has done more edits than anyone else. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 11:26, 4 Dec 2006 (CST)

:Had to pump up my ego, did you? ha ha. :D You need not worry of the consequences, as i agree with you. the list as it is isn't very helpful to new members, and actually showing a list of members who have/are contributing well to the NeoDex would be better than an optional signature tag. Something like "Editor Hall of Fame", where admin of the NeoDex point out users whom they believe have done a lot for the NeoDex. or "Notable Editors"...i actually like the sound of "Hall of Fame" really. could always be changed, just as we are now changing what the list is. Should a link to each of these users contributions be shown as well? i'm thinking yes. :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:32, 4 Dec 2006 (CST)

:I removed the list from the discussion, seeing as it doesn't really need to be here anymore (can be grabbed from the history if it wants to be seen). The new list of users will be made shortly. Input is always appreciated, and seeing as this will be a new thing, it will be needed. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 19:10, 8 Dec 2006 (CST)

==New categrories and articles==
It's time to think of new categories to add it seems. The final 2 articles in the <s>secrets category</s> don't really fit into any other sections. To help this i think it would be good to make new categories for both of them. One such idea is to have a "guides" category, which would show collected lists of information link the [[Mystery Pic Solutions]] and such. Also, the article [[Old Neopets]] makes me think we can expand on the whole "redesign" idea. New articles called "Neopet Redesigns", "Petpet Redesigns", and other such redesigns can be noted (along with the latest [[Neopets 2.0]]). There can even be an category for articles like this as well.

Just giving some ideas on how we can better organize all the data, and looking for feedback. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:51, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

:Both categories sound good to me. I think they'll work perfectly for the articles left under "secrets" and the others. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 10:33, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

==Versions==
You guys should honestly upgrade your wiki software. I mean, 1.4? 0.o It's 1.10 already out there. [[User:Neoran23|Neoran23]]

:I agree with you. but it's not in my hands, but in the hands of the maintainers of the website. Updating the NeoDex would require updating the main [http://www.pinkpt.com PinkPT] first...which is a process still in the waiting. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 17:11, 8 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::Uhm, are you sure? I don't think that the wiki version depends on the PHP version installed on the server.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 19:09, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:::From my understanding, you need upgraded PHP to use the newer coding. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading As an example], 1.10 requires PHP 5.0.x or later. Also, i only know what i'm told by the maintainers of PinkPT. If they say they can't update yet, I have to take their word. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:10, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::::Jacob, is there any plan to update the wiki version? I understand that the PHP version on this server is still version 4 as of this post, but I learnt it the hard way that we are unable to resize uploaded images using wikicodes... --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 11:30, 12 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Again, I have no idea when the coding will be updated. This factor should be multiplied considering I've been away for awhile (again, I apologize). It ''would'' be nice to resize images with simple wiki coding, then we could use larger images without worry. But at this point, all we can do is update their sizes manually. Need to find out if this can be changed yet. :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:51, 18 Jun 2008 (CDT)

==Partnership with another wiki==
It has been suggested by the members of the German site helony.com to connect the Neopets articles of the [http://www.helony.com/wiki/ German petgames wiki] respective English ones. For this, you would have to go into the database table which has interwiki in its name, insert hln into the column iw_prefix, http://www.helony.com/wiki/index.php?title=$1 into the column iw_url, leave the other columns blank, then go to the file Names.php ins the languages folder and add
<pre>hln => Helony,</pre> to this list. That would make e.g. <nowiki>[[hln:Neopets]]</nowiki> appear as an interwiki in the sidebar like on Wikipedia. Of course we at Helony would do the same. Please let me know if you are interested in such a partnership :)--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 19:09, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:I think something like this was suggested to me in the past as well by Yukio, saying that other sections were finding affiliates so i could as well. I turned it down, as i didn't think it was nessesary. Think the conversation is in my talk page...i forget. Would like to hear more about this. Are you simply asking for a external link to the german wiki on the NeoDex sidebar? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:10, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::No, I am speaking of a link from every single German Neopets-related article to the respective article on Neodex and vice-versa (not more and not less :D). It would be just a small link in the sidebar, as [http://www.helony.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Himmelsdemon here] the link to my profile on Wikibeta. As I suppose I am the only here, who speaks German, I would set the links myself, I just need the corresponding software changes and of course your approval.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:23, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Similar to the way regular english Wikipedia links to articles in other languages, right? With a "In other languages" box on the sidebar? creating and maintaining other language articles is something i haven't considered, and i've outright deleted articles which were created in other languages in the past here on the NeoDex. Of course, you are saying these articles would link to the article on another wiki, so i suppose that's different than having it on this server.

I just don't know. it's something i haven't bothered to consider, seeing as we already have a lot of work to do on the NeoDex as it is. my apologies on not being more hopeful. :S I do like the idea of having our information be more international, because there are many users out there who i think would like to participate, but can't comprehend the english. A gap we can hope to bridge in the future? Or very soon, should we move ahead with this...*ponders* --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:55, 9 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:We could use a template a la [[Wikipedia:Template:Wiktionarypar|those used on Wikipedia to link over to other projects]]... Cross-referencing the Neodex and Helony would be a wonderful step, however it is achieved. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:24, 10 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Macbeth, this solution would be agreeable as well (although a template is actually bigger than a small link in the sidebar :/) So just to be sure, do I have permission to create such a template and add it to existing articles? And is it ok to you if the German wiki just has link to your respective articles as mentioned above? Please note that the German articles are not translations of the Neodex articles, but existing articles on their own.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 20:05, 11 Jul 2007 (UTC)

:I suggested using a template like that as the NeoDex and Helony are managed by different groups... Different projects, as you will, so article standards and approaches would be different. What concerns me about having an 'alternate language' wikilink is that some may think it was a direct translation, and not a separate project...

:I am quite happy for the template idea to go ahead here, although we should probably wait for Yukio or Jacob to report back on it. If Helony would rather use the interwiki form, then that's fine with me, provided it is noted that they are separate projects so things like user accounts, etc, would not be transferable across wikis, etc...

:I was thinking a template on this end of the style of the featured articles template might be good... or something more like the wikipedia template referenced above? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 02:56, 12 Jul 2007 (UTC)

::If you would like to try the template idea for the moment, i'm fine with it. It will give a trail basis to the idea of what you would like to try out. Don't know which articles you would place them on, seeing as you say the articles on Helony aren't going to be exact translations. The Interwiki link sounds more preferrible, doesn't it? ;) Will look into it should i manage to catch up with things. Have a "whole plate of pancakes to eat" or so to speak. :S --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 03:39, 12 Jul 2007 (UTC)

==Under Construction vs. Stub==
It is suggested on the portal that articles that are 'under construction' be built up to a stub - surely it is the other way around? A stub has very little information at all, a bare few words on a topic... An article that is under construction, however, will have specific areas that need to address and are being addressed... if you see what I mean...? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 17:31, 16 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:You raise a good point. Perhaps we could...have the rules be different here? :S --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 01:31, 17 Oct 2007 (UTC)

::I'm not sure I follow? --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 18:52, 17 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:::Have the role of "under construction" and "stub" be switched around. Sorry to confuse. :P Then again, that doesn't really work if someone with wiki know how comes here and gets baffled. What action are you suggesting? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 03:21, 18 Oct 2007 (UTC)

::::We could do that, I suppose, but I fancy it would be a bit confusing... And an under construction article preferable to a stub, I think, as there is a clear indication of where to expand it... I thought we could just ask for under construction articles to be developed into less-under construction articles, to be honest xP --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 00:16, 19 Oct 2007 (UTC)

:::::I'm thinking the [[Help:Stub]] article needs to be updated to explain the difference once again. :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 02:42, 19 Oct 2007 (UTC)

==Is this important enough to be added?==
I love [[The Tale of Woe]], and when I was searching for things to add to, I discovered there is no article for ''Hissi oil'', the potions that [[Mr. Krawley]] sold. I'm not sure if this would be important enough to be added, but I'd be happy to add it if it is. --[[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 04:22, 17 Dec 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think there is enough information to make a Hissi Oil article. Nor do I think it's the only potion Krawley makes. It WOULD be interesting if every potion he gave is Hissi Oil, which would mean Hissi have something sinister within them that makes others transform, but as stated, I don't think that is the case. Personally think he's just claiming it as Hissi Oil and how healthy the potion is like most swindlers who would sell anything for a buck. In either case, think it's important to speak about his potions only in his article. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 21:41, 17 Dec 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, thats what I figured, but I just wanted to cheak. - [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

==Regarding Neopet popularity==
I would like to have some way to notify readers that the Neopet Popularity we reference when discussing the different species of pets is not entirely accurate. The Popularity page itself admits that it only includes created pets, not morphed or labbed, so the numbers can be widely inaccurate... is creating an article about Neopet Popularity the way to go, or is there another article already existing it would be best to tack this onto? I'm a stickler for accuracy and I don't think that anyone in the world would believe that there are really only 2,300 Krawks in all of neopia... (or 12,000 Draiks, for that matter). --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 00:02, 1 Jun 2008 (CDT)

:I feel that we have nothing much to write about if we create an article just for Neopet popularity discrepancy. Since it is near impossible to find out the estimate number of a particular Neopet, I'm thinking of one of the following:
:*Avoid listing the number of Neopet on the Neopet articles.
:*Mention that it's the number of ''created'' Neopet. (ie. created 2,377 Krawks as of October 2007)
:Where is Jacob nowadays? --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:02, 2 Jun 2008 (CDT)

::Well, we ''need'' to mention the number of created Neopets, because it's a notable number. Still, it's obvious it isn't an accurate account, and I suppose this could be mentioned in full on the [[Neopet]] article itself.

::And Jacob has been busy, and very bad at keeping up with things that need doing. Still want to complete and edit the NEoDex, though things have just gotten...complicated...is all. ;) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:51, 18 Jun 2008 (CDT)

:::Haha, it's okay - At least you're back. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:25, 19 Jun 2008 (CDT)

==Image deletion==
I would like to know if there is anyway you could delete the file I uploaded, Old_maraqua.PNG ? I forgot to take away the white background, making it a huge file. I now have a much smaller file, but I was hoping you could get rid of that one first. Thanks! [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

:While trying to rush off for work, I really deleted the image before realising it's not required X(. You can always re-upload the image to Neodex with the same filename, instead of deleting. Anything uploaded to Neodex will not be possible to totally remove from the server. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 00:02, 2 Jun 2008 (CDT)

Ok, thank you very much! [[User:Xweetok|Xweetok]] 08:18 PM, 18 dec 2007

==Battledome Weapons==
Would it be a good idea to create pages for all Battledome weapons? In the Under Construction area, I see many uncreated pages that are about BD weapons and I don't know whether or not I should create pages for them. Should we have some kind of criteria or something before we create pages for weapons? Or would it be best to make pages (such as Freezing Weapons, etc.) and list weapons? These are all just suggestions, though. I'd appreciate some other "opinions" before I do anything :)

[[User:Siouxper|Siouxper]] 01:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

:The only Battledome Weapons we tend to add to the Neodex are ones that tend to be extremely notable like the [[Sword of Skardsen]], [[Ghostkerbomb]], and the [[Attack Pea]] collection. There are several noted item databases as well as battledome databases that chronicle the full list of these items and their effects in battle. In general, we attempt to avoid creating another of them. At some point in the future it might make sense to add examples or lists of the BD weapons sold in each of the weapon/armor shops on those shops' pages but it's not necessary... Perhaps you would be interested in helping us fill in the [[Battledome Equipment]] page? If you see, the [[:Category:Battledome_Equipment]] is not that big and the items tend to be either a notable collection like the [[Scorchstone]]s or [[Hidden Tower]] items. If there are other "groupings" of weapons/armor like the muffins, motes, etc... those would probably be an acceptable addition but please refrain from making a page for every item. :) --[[User:Cath|Cath]] 04:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for the response :) I'll probably do some work on the Battledome Equipment page and fill in information about the shops. One final question: Under the Battledome Equipment Terms section, I have quite a few terms I can add (tank, league, boost, and some others), but these terms usually apply only to "experienced" Battledomers (people who BD a lot). Would it be best if I added these terms or just left them out? [[User:Siouxper|Siouxper]] 12:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Those terms refer to experienced play, in which they are used to quickly explain strategy and the like, so refraining from using them would be best. External links to websites where people use them, explain them and etc. is fine though. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

==Attacks on User Lookup talk page==
The most recent attack (31 August 2008, around 12pm UTC) all came from a common ISP, which ranges from 194.8.74.0 - 194.8.75.255. We might have to prevent anonymous editing for the whole range for a period of time if the problem persist.

Or are we going to block all (except logged in users) from editing, like what we did before the mediawiki was upgraded? I'm not too sure about this anymore... Wiki is supposed to be allowed for all to modify. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 05:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:One of the many things which I miss was the necessary creation of an account in order to edit the NeoDex, simply because it made things a whole lot easier to maintain. Hopefully it can be brought back into the fold. All should be able to modify articles, yes, but it seems others are ruining that freedom. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 12:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Some spammer is adding gibberish to pages, at least I guess it's one person using a lot of accounts, because it's got a pattern. The accounts which I suspect to be used by him are[[User:CacroLvich]], [[User:SitzeLnoli]], [[User:CnaalErour]], [[User:OlozeLalac]] and [[User:RobocRacch]]. And I think he also was DomtaOrelt, RonopAsbod, AcelrOalcv, OuricDronv and a lot of other spam accounts, like RictaDarsi, who created a lot of spam pages. Could anyone do something against him? --[[User:Likiana|Likiana]] 14:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I probably was wrong when saying it was one user who added the spam to pages - my new guess it's a bot network or something. When users get blocked like all those vandals, account creation is disabled, so they have to use another computer to sign up again, and I don't think that vandal has 16 or more computers. My guess is that he's a hacker/cracker who controls a bot network or something comparable. Just wanted to correct what I said. --[[User:Likiana|Likiana]] 17:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:I only ''wish'' it were that easy to prevent vandalism! Sort of like the movie Minority Report, we stop the vandals before they strike hehe. Unless there's something I don't know about I guess the only way is to deal with the spam as they come and hopefully it will stop soon. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 05:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

::We could implement the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA reCAPTCHA], which can greatly reduces the amount of vandalisms, while still allowing anonymous users to edit. By default, the reCAPTCHA will apply to anonymous edits with links (which we are currently encountering), new accounts (we had this problem in the past when we disallowed anonymous editing, and it came back briefly recently as mentioned by Likiana), and brute force attack on accounts. If that is not enough, we can further implement reCAPTCHA on new page creations and all edits. Registered users on the other hand, will not be affected by this reCAPTCHA. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== New Head/additional Head Admin needed ==
I can no longer give the necessary attention to this wiki that it deserves. Plenty of you can attest to that. So, I need to hand the torch to someone that can. I know I've been the go to guy for pretty much all questions and situations, mostly due to the fact I've built the wiki from the ground up. Now that my life is filled with complete fail, however, someone else must be able to take up the task of keeping things in order.

From what I've seen, the "head" of the admins needs to keep articles and links in order, thinking about the whole of the wiki, and discovering new and better ways to present and archive data. Requires a diverse understanding of what articles are within the NeoDex, and wiki coding. Good social skills help as well, because nothing makes things more confusing than someone who can't explain something well. This socially stunted man can attest to that.

As I haven't been here in awhile, I don't know who has been keeping the most tabs with things, so I think it would be good to hear from the rest of you how the status quo should change. Again, this isn't an all powerful position in which you can do whatever you please. The Head Admin is just like every other Admin...with more emphasis. Of course, if that's the case, must there BE a "head"? Discuss Any and all thoughts you may have.

My apologies for having it take so long, but I'm officially putting my foot down and saying someone else must take the job of Head Admin. Or stand in. Or become an additional. Whatever. However it's going to be. Just hope we can discover a solution so that the wiki won't suffer anymore due to my failings. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

:I will go ahead and say that I am sure many will agree that nothing you have done can be considered a failing. It is more a... concurrence of unlucky circumstances.
:That said, we need to come up with a candidate for a new head admin. I can imagine four candidates: [[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] ([[Special:Contributions/Macbeth|contribs]]), [[User:Emeraldosprey|Emeraldosprey]] ([[Special:Contributions/Emeraldosprey|contribs]]), [[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ([[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contribs]]), and [[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] ([[Special:Contributions/Dizzy|contribs]]). They all have their different pros and cons (please don't take offense).
:*Macbeth: Oldest ([http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights Rights log]) sysop after Kym and Jacob, therefore has the most experience. Sadly not very much active during the recent time.
:*Emeraldosprey: Shows very much and constant dedication, is however the "youngest" sysop.
:*SwordFire: Is generally experienced with coding, which includes not only wiki coding, but PHP. Therefore most likely to come up with new ideas and to have them implemented. However, slightly less active than Emeraldosprey.
:*Dizzy: Has always made a reliable impression. One could only complain at the fact that most of her recent contributions are reverts.

:Regarding possible other candidates: I think we all agree that the new head admin needs to be a present admin. While [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]] has not contributed for over 2 (!) years, [[User:Cath|Cath]] shows large times of activity followed by equally long inactivity. While I simply show inactivity and currently don't have the time for being a head admin.
:I hope I did't say something that anybody took offense for. Discuss.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

::Mostly reverts shouldn't be an issue here. We are all doing mostly reverts recently due to spam attacks :P.
::Recently I've to concentrate on my other commitment due to the upcoming Firefox 3.1. I usually becoming less active whenever a new Firefox version is going to be release. During at this time, I'll still be monitoring the Neodex via the RSS. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 07:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I still have some other people to contact, because I don't think this is reaching enough ears at this point. I loathe not being able to focus enough time on things like this... :( --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:Sorry about the late response (thanks for reminding me Demon)! I don't know, I've never been the leader type. It seems like most of us have been too busy to devote time to the NeoDex and all we can do is revert. I've been focusing most of my attention on school as my grades have, erm, "slipped" ;P I hope to make up for my absence during the summer which is unfortunately a long ways off. --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 19:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

::While I am touched to have been mentioned here, I do not think I would be able to give the NeoDex the regular attention that I gave it circa 2006 and 2007, the level of attention that you all undoubtedly deserve from me - of course, Jacob's shoes would be very hard for any of us to fill. My involvement both with Neopets and the Neodex has been unacceptably sub-par recently, for which I apologise unreservedly, but I am afraid that it was and is unavoidable due to conditions in my personal life at the moment, the details of which (for the sake of brevity and not wishing to sound too self-indulgent) I will spare you.

::I am willing to do what I can here - I still check in with what time I can spare to pursue the recent changes - but my usefulness is no doubt heavily limited by how I am not keeping up with the Neopets site itself.

::No one can replace the hard work put in by Jacob, who nurtured the Neodex out of its infancy to blossom into what is, truth be told, almost a self-supporting project. Whether he can be active in his role or not, Jacob is and will remain, as much as he ever was, the Head Admin: the Neodex is truly his brain child. All anyone else can hope to do is to fill in in the mean time.

::Our admins and our editors have by themselves been keeping an eye out for vandalism, and still able to fulfil the primary objectives of this wiki - to expand, and to improve, its coverage of all things Neopets, and to become the a one-stop resource for Neopians everywhere. I would suggest if we are looking for someone to fill in the roles of promoting new editors to sysops, being the go-to-person on Neodex policy, and directing the Neodex's development in the future, then I any of our sysops are qualified for the job. I give my personal endorsement and faith to [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&username=&group=sysop&limit=50 them all].

::On a personal note, while I may not have an active presence on the site as I once did, I ''will'' appear from time to time, and you are all at liberty to contact me - you should be able to e-mail me through the Neodex [[Special:Emailuser/Macbeth|here]], which should also be linked on my user-page in to toolbox on the bottom left - if you would ever like to call on me to address something specific around here - you have total access to my consultancy :).

::I hope I find you all well, and I hope that both Jacob and I will be able to eventually give the Neodex more consistent ministration. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 16:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I personally don't see the need for a "head admin" as the wiki seems to run fine even in Jacob's absence. During the recent spam attacks, all admins here worked together to keep the site clean of spam even though there was no "leader" to organize them. I don't see why this cannot continue in the future. Any thoughts? --[[User:Emeraldosprey|Emeraldosprey]]

::::As much as I whole-heartedly agree with ''nearly'' every aspect of what Macbeth has said (thumbs up!), there is one issue I'd like to bring up. You said "if we are looking for someone to fill in the roles of promoting new editors to sysops..." The problem currently is, that sysops cannot promote members. Only bureaucrats can, that is, [[User:Yukio|Kym]] and [[User:Jacob|Jacob]]. I don't know whether Jacob will be online often enough to fulfill these duties, and I believe Kym doesn't have the time to look for possible sysop candidates. Of course we as the sysops could always come to Kym with a full-reasoned proposal so that he can promote the people. Question is whether he would be willing to go through the hassle of doing this every time.

::::So I have to ask you, Jacob, do you think you can ensure that deserving members of the community are promoted to sysops whenever necessary - without us having to go to Kym every time this needs to happen? If yes, I can say with a clear conscience that I don't have any objections to the situation staying like it currently is :) --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Kym has enough on his hands to have the sole responsibility of promoting regular editors to admin, especially when he doesn't regularly edit articles here. I assume he's expecting we as the editing community to govern ourselves in such a way to work independently of the rest of PinkPT. Which I suppose brings up the need to have someone else to "lead" besides myself. Still haven't heard any news from him or the rest of the staff yet, and I'm a little worried at that, but I'm hoping a solution can be found and continued (improved?) flow of information can continue. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

:Well, it might be a good idea to raise it at the next AIM meeting, then. I mean, the Neodex has always been a bit independent, but I can appreciate the value for his input. It may be sensible to promote a few of the current sysops to buearocrats, make sure the Neodex is regularly backed up, and hope no one goes completely mad with power! ;) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 20:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

::Hi guys, Kym here. Apologies about the tardy response - I was involved in a car accident in South America, was in surgery for a week, and have arrived back in Australia for about two weeks now - the recovery involving many doctor appointments.

::Before I left for South America, I initiated a change in the staff system at PPT, and have spent the past two weeks implementing the changes etc. All staff here are required to sign up at http://www.pinkpt.com/forum - make sure you PM me your username so I can give you access to the private staff board. All staff decisions will be made from there. As I check that board every day now, I can be contacted if anyone ever needs me.

::The appointment of Jacob's replacement is necessary - and I will be working with all staff here at the NeoDex to assure that the transition goes smoothly. Anyone interested in Jacob's position should email me kym@kymhuynh.com with their application. If anyone here has recommendation or issues at the NeoDex that they feel needs to be addressed, I can also be contacted via my email. Note, however, that this is only temporary. In the future, all communication will be at the staff board @ http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/

::Thanks for your patience guys and I look forward to your emails. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 03:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Hi guys. As I have received no applications from any current staff from the NeoDex, I will now open up applications for the new NeoDex Administrator to a wider audience at the Pink Poogle Toy community. The posting will be made here: http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=53 --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 09:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Administrator applications have now closed. A big welcome to Macbeth, our new NeoDex Administrator! --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 14:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

== Patrolling edits ==

Could you guys help me partolling edits, please? To do that more efficiently, go to [[Special:Recentchanges|Recentchanges]] and click the "Hide patrolled edits" link. Just go through the changes that have an exclamation mark next to them and click the "diff" link.
I'd like to have every edit patrolled because we might else let things slip past, like [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php?title=Lutari&diff=prev&oldid=35187 that edit] which broke a link.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 22:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, so that's what those exclamation points mean :P I've been battling with these edits and this sure makes things easier! --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 04:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== Daily Dare ==
Wondering if one page needs to be made with all relevant info about previous years challenges.
at the moment, there is only a [[Daily Dare 2007]] page which i have edited slightly to include new info about 2009's challenges. Perhaps the page title needs to only be changed?
[[User:Corythepaperboy|Corythepaperboy]] 06:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wiki protection ==

Maybe we should set the wiki to allowing registered users only and require new accounts to be confirmed by sysops before they can edit? I know I have seen that option in the documentation somewhere, would have to dig around a bit...--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 17:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:Requiring accounts to be sysop-activated seems a bit far - plus, how are we meant to distinguish the accounts that ''will'' become good users from the ones that will not, based on no edits? Forcing registration again sounds like a good idea, though. --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 19:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

::Well, the main reason why I suggested activation by hand was that we might get mass registrations like [[User:EltroRolri]], [[User:OuricDronv]], [[User:OlotrVarac]] etc (see [[Special:Logs/Block]] from January 8th). I will wait for more feedback for now and then talk to Kym about that. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 20:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:::In most cases, these kind of accounts were created using a bot, which can be prevented by implementing something random like [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit |ConfirmEdit] and [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA reCAPTCHA]]. We can further extend it to anonymous edits to prevent anonymous bots from editing. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 01:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Thanks SwordFire :D If no one has any objections, I will mention it to Kym on the next staff meeting.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 09:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Update: I have now implemented reCAPTCHA. It should be triggered on registration and whenever external links are added. I think that should make blocking anonymous users obsolete. That can still be implemented if necessary.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 14:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::Great work! :) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 21:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::This should stop most attacks except blanking and random text (which both of them do not include external links). So long as these two do not go out of control, we can just stay as it is. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 15:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

== Now Accepting Applications for NeoDex administrator position ==

We are now looking for a new Admin for the NeoDex. If any of you would like to take a swing at the job please apply, [http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38634]!
--[[User:Unspecialfish|unspecialfish]] 02:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Avatar items? ==
Do you think that popular avvie items such as the [[Zafara Double Agent Plushie]] and [[Faerie Queen Doll]] should have their own articles on the NeoDex? Idk, because there are popular Hidden Tower items' articles and it would definitely not make sense if FQD didn't have its' own article. [[User:A Neezles A|Charlotte xoxo]] 22:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

:These items are notable, but in my opinion do not have a lot of information to become an article. They can be combine with [[Zafara Double Agent]] and [[Faerie Queen]] respectively, under a sub-header. We can then redirect [[Zafara Double Agent Plushie]] and [[Faerie Queen Doll]] to these two main articles. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

::Oh, and please delete this page: [[Winnner's curse]] [[User:A Neezles A|Charlotte xoxo]] 03:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Article deleted. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== User block ==

Any sysop can possibly block [[User:64.231.10.29]]? On Aug 31 2009 s/he has been adding false information to [[Shenkuu]]. Thank you! [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 18:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== Move restriction ==

To prevent (future) grief to everyone here, I'm going to request for a move restriction to new Nexdex accounts. This will prevent anybody from create a new account just to start moving articles all over the place. I'll not mention how long will it take for an account to be allowed to move an article though.

This will take some time to implement, depending on how fast Kym access the server and make the modification. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:I love this idea, but I don't know, Hagrid a.k.a Wheeler a.k.a. Tewapack a.k.a Willy on Wheels a.k.a. 'B Neezles B' might stop doing the move mess-up and start to vandalise pages, remove content, and that kind of stuff. And this option can't really be done because I think Wikipedia doesn't have this kind of thing. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::SwordFire, you are the greatest. *grovels at your feet* If Wheels of whatever he goes by starts to do any of that stuff, it is a lot easier (and less confusing) to undo it. If this request is approved I will definitely sleep sounder at night ;) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 16:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Also, don't forget that he might stop this moving business and start vandalising. He did change dung into $|-|17, you know. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Another restriction that I can think of is to request all Neodex users to add an email account and confirm it. That way, Vandals have to go through several steps before he/she can do some damage. But I'll need to look into this first.

::::As for the vandalism, the only way to partially prevent this is to implement a full lockdown (ie. no anonymous edit, account approval by sysop, etc.), which I do not really prefer. Moreever, those accounts which sysop approved might be vandals themselves. But I'm open for suggestions. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::BTW, a vandal may start being helpful, try to go admin, and then start vandalizing with admin powers and deleting the good pages and creating bad ones, and protect them. Or we could just block moving for non-admins all along. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 16:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::At the moment, I don't think anybody is going to be promoted to sysop, unless we have an active bureaucrat first. As at the moment, the two bureaucrats in Neodex might not be able to act fast enough to stop a rogue sysop, since they have to concentrate on the whole pinkpt site. But that is beside the point. Right now, we have to do something to the current situation first. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::::In Wikipedia, only autoconfirmed users are allowed to edit certain pages, and the autoconfirmed requirement is having registered for 4 days and made 10 edits. Is the option available which all editing is restricted to autoconfirmed users? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 18:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::If you think about it, if you only allow editing (for all articles) for autoconfirmed users and above, it is almost similar to kicking everybody (except bureaucrats, sysops and users who are already autoconfirmed) out of Neodex. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::I agree, because wikis are meant to be edited by ''everyone'', and if this would be done I'd only put this restriction on CERTAIN articles... [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 18:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::::Maybe this could be done to featured articles only, since they're common targets? [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 19:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::I think the only pages with this restriction should be the ones with five or more vandalism targets. It wouldn't be fair if I.P. people who don't want to create an account can't edit featured articles. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 19:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:Just hang on - I've already informed Kym that this is an urgent case. He must be out on Saturday. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 19:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for the emails guys and the prompt alert. Changes that were suggested and have been implemented are as follows: (1) Move restrictions are in place on new NeoDex accounts; (2) Accounts which are (sensitive info removed) are able to move articles; and (3) Sysops and Bureaucrats are now able to use the CheckUser extension.--[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 13:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Thank you Kym, I am really happy to know that this batch of vandalism will be the last I have to deal with :D I don't know how this CheckUser extension works but thanks all the same! --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 13:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I'll explain it to you through the forum PM. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 13:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Thanks, I'll know what I'm doing now haha :) --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 16:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Vandalism Investigation ==

Sorry for not blocking the vandal earlier, but I've been collecting information regarding the attacks. Now that I've seen enough, I'm blocking the IP range of a certain ISP for two weeks. User using that ISP will not be able to edit or register an account during this period of time. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 01:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:It seems to be very effective. The vandal hasn't vandalized for almost a whole week. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pink]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|girl]][[User:Pinkgirl34/NQII Walkthrough|34]] 21:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== Recent deletion of this page ==

Don't you guys think deleting all versions of this page is kinda overkill just to hide a few? Wouldn't it have been better to restore '''all''' versions except the ones with sensitive info in question?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Neopets referral program

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Similar to the [[Premium referral system]]. [[Neopets]] users can refer their friends in order to get prizes. This is done using an individual URL for each member. This URL is also incorporated into a series of buttons, banners and Neobadges which lead anyone who clicks on them to a referral page. All the people you refer have to be different, and they also have to play Neopets. Just signing up with fake accounts does not work. You will NOT get credit for an account until it is 'activated'. The new member must confirm their email address by clicking on the link in the email we send to them in order for you to get credit as having referred them.

These are the referral prizes:

* '''1 signup''': 100 [[neopoints]]
* '''2 signups''': 200 [[neopoints]]
* '''3 signups''': 500 [[neopoints]]
* '''5 signups''': Randomly selected rare item or 1000 [[neopoints]]
* '''7 signups''': A randomly selected [[Bottled Faerie]]
* '''10 signups''': [[Dubloon|One Dubloon Coin]]
* '''15 signups''': A random [[Codestone]]
* '''20 signups''': All of your pets will gain a level
* '''25 signups''': [[Dubloon|Five Dubloon Coin]]
* '''30 signups''': A Set of [[Bottled Faerie|Bottled Faeries]]
* '''40 signups''': Lots of [[Codestone|Codestones]]
* '''50 signups''': A randomly selected basic colour [[Paint Brush]]
* '''75 signups''': A super rare item
* '''100 signups''': A randomly selected non-basic Paint Brush

==External links==
*[http://www.neopets.com/linktous.phtml Neopets Referral Program]

[[Category:Neopets]]

User:A Neezles A/Bosses I defeated

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== NeoQuest I ==
None yet!
 
Next Boss: Xantan the Foul

== NeoQuest II ==
=== Chapter 1 ===
* ''[[The Miner Foreman]]'' - Defeated July ?, 2009
* [[Zombom]] - Defeated August ?, 2009
* [[Sand Grundo|Giant Sand Grundo]] - Defeated August ?, 2009
* [[Ramtor]] I - Defeated August ?, 2009
* [[Ramtor]] II - Defeated August ?, 2009

=== Chapter 2 ===
* [[Leximp]] - Defeated August ?, 2009
* [[Kolvars]] - Defeated August ?, 2009
* [[Scuzzy]] - Defeated August ?, 2009

=== Chapter 3 ===
* [[Siliclast]] - Defeated September ?, 2009
* [[Gebarn II]] - Defeated September ?, 2009
* [[The Revenant|The Revenant of the Dunes]] - Defeated September 5-7, 2009
* [[Coltzan's Ghost]] - Defeated September 9, 2009
* [[Anubits]] - Defeated September 10, 2009

Kacheek

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[[Image:Kacheek green baby.gif|frame|right|Green Kacheek as of August 2006.]]

The '''Kacheek''' is a fox-like [[Neopet]], and one of the original 14 released on November 14, 1999, when [[Neopets (website)|Neopets]] began, originally known as the ''Badeek''.

==Overview==
Kacheeks are a shy species which live in the lush meadows. Fun loving, peaceful and very modest, they will avoid violence whenever possible and love to make new friends. They aren't the loudest or the strongest species around, but their calm outlook on life has helped many Kacheeks find fame and fortune. Their floppy ears and bushy tail make them a very popular neopet in Neopia.

==Colours==
As of January 2009, the Kacheek can come in 42 different [[The Rainbow Pool|colours]]:

{|align=center
|-valign=top
|width=250|
*[[Baby]] - ''January 29, 2003''
*[[Blue]] - ''Natural''
*[[Brown]] - ''March 21, 2005''
*[[Checkered]] - ''January 25, 2002''
*[[Chocolate]] - ''August 16, 2006''
*[[Christmas]] - ''November 29, 2002''
*[[Cloud]] - ''January 29, 2002''
*[[Darigan]] - ''January 27, 2007''
*[[Desert]] - ''June 2, 2004''
*[[Disco]] - ''January 29, 2002''
*[[Electric]] - ''February 26, 2003''
*[[Faerie (colour)|Faerie]] - ''January 22, 2001''
*[[Fire]] - ''April 18, 2003''
*[[Ghost]] - ''January 28, 2005''
|width=250|
*[[Glowing]] - ''January 27, 2007''
*[[Green]] - ''Natural''
*[[Grey]] - ''January 28, 2005''
*[[Halloween]] - ''October 27, 2000''
*[[Invisible]] - ''?''
*[[Island]] - ''January 29, 2003''
*[[Jelly (colour)|Jelly]] - ''?''
*[[Mutant]] - ''February 5, 2001''
*[[Pink]] - ''October 21, 2002''
*[[Pirate]] - ''August 19, 2002''
*[[Plushie (colour)|Plushie]] - ''January 29, 2004''
*[[Purple]] - ''April 8, 2002''
*[[Rainbow]] - ''January 25, 2006''
*[[Red]] - ''Natural''
|width=250|
*[[Robot]] - ''December 18, 2000''
*[[Royal]] - ''January 29, 2009''
*[[Shadow]] - ''?''
*[[Sketch]] - ''January 27, 2006''
*[[Skunk]] - ''?''
*[[Snow]] - ''January 29, 2008''
*[[Speckled]] - ''August 17, 2004''
*[[Split]] - ''January 29, 2008''
*[[Spotted]] - ''?''
*[[Starry]] - ''January 29, 2004''
*[[Striped]] - ''?''
*[[Tyrannian]] - ''May 6, 2002''
*[[White]] - ''August 16, 2005''
*[[Yellow]] - ''Natural''
|}

==Merchandise==
There are several Kacheek related toys and stuffed animals to be purchased in the real world. There are 4 original colored 6" plush toys as well as island, rainbow, plushie, special edtion pink and Faerie.
''...More to be added...''

'''Badeek''' http://www.wacky-packages.org/images/Neopets/Badeek4.gif

When first created, the Kacheek was known as the '''Badeek'''. Wearing dark glasses, turned down ears, and a bad attitude they were known around Neopia as "King of Cool". On July 18, 2000, the Badeek was evolved into the Kacheek, and the game ''Badeek Seek'' became ''Kacheek Seek''.

==Trivia==
*As of August 2009, over 15.3 million Kacheeks have been created, placing them 2nd in popularity out of 54 Neopets. They are also featured in 130 different [[item]]s.
*In the [[Neopets TCG]], Kacheeks are associated with the element of [[Light Faerie|Light]].
*Kacheeks were the first pets available in the [[colour]] [[Robot]].
* On Kacheek Day (Jan 29th) Kacheeks may perform special moves in the battledome which are: Kacheek Flower Power, Kacheek Sneeze and Kacheek Slide.
*The NeoDeck card Kacheek character Shoonee appears to be based on [[Wikipedia:Cupid|Cupid]].

==See also==
*'''Famous Kacheeks:''' [[Albert]], [[Alton Moughbry]], [[Babolino]], [[Blue Kacheek Group]], [[Eliv Thade]], [[Florin]], [[Montecito]], [[Samrin]]
*'''Games:''' [[Caption Competition]], [[NeoQuest I]], [[NeoQuest II]], [[Kacheekers]], [[Kacheek Seek]], [[Extreme Herder]]

==External links==
*'''Neopets Description:''' [http://neopets.com/petinfo.phtml?type=Kacheek The Kacheek], [http://www.neopets.com/kacheek What is a Kacheek?]
*'''Pronunciation:''' [http://images.neopets.com/images/pronounce/kacheek.wav Kacheek - ''ka-cheek''], [http://images.neopets.com/images/pronounce/kacheeks.wav Kacheeks - ''ka-cheeks'' ]
*'''Rainbow Pool:''' [http://www.neopets.com/pool/all_pb.phtml?f_species_id=22 Kacheek]
*'''Neopedia:''' [http://www.neopets.com/neopedia.phtml?neopedia_id=30 Albert the Kacheek], [http://www.neopets.com/neopedia.phtml?neopedia_id=164 Eliv Thade], [http://www.neopets.com/neopedia.phtml?neopedia_id=168 Samrin the Kacheek]
*'''NeoDeck:''' [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=26 Mr. Chuckles], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=47 Otona, Protector of the Seas], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=48 Kharlos], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=55 Tylix], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=75 Professor Kachevski], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=116 Uugbah Sharp Spear], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=125 Bacheek], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=133 Gedda Happycheek], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=155 Brista Lightfeet], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=156 Shoonee], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=171 Sir Kachilan the Brave], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=200 Sir Cheekalot], [http://www.neopets.com/games/neodeck/colcardlookup.phtml?colcard_id=222 Siona]
*'''Neopets TCG:''' [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=1&id=33 Green Kacheek], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=1&id=61 Kacheek Thief], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=1&id=123 Kacheek Shepherd], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=1&id=158 Blue Kacheek], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=2&id=80 Kacheek Plushie], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=5&id=1 Red Kacheek], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=9&id=9 Faerie Kacheek], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=9&id=65 Orange Kacheek], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=9&id=66 Purple Kacheek], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=9&id=84 Kacheek Urchin], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=10&id=43 Green Kacheek (2nd Print)], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=10&id=68 Kacheek Thief (2nd Print)], [http://www.neopets.com/tcg/displayCard.phtml?edid=10&id=116 Kacheek Plushie (2nd Print)]
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[[Category:Neopet Species]]

User talk:SwordFire

2009-09-11T21:42:26Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Re: Thank you for your help */ re recent vandalism

==Thanks for the help==
I thank you for your determination to revert the vandalism which is occuring here on on the NeoDex. It's beginning to be a daily event now, though i'm sure it will stop soon...eventually it will...hopefully. :o *crosses fingers* :D --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 11:55, 10 Mar 2007 (CST)

:Considering the vandals (or even possibly a single vandal) are coming from different IPs, and always attacking the same page, I don't think they will give up that easily... :/ --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] 19:08, 10 Mar 2007 (CST)

==Admin status acquired==
For your efforts and dedication to the NeoDex, i feel you have earned the right to be an administrator. congradulations! :) --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 13:59, 18 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:I'd also like to extend my congratulations! Now you won't have to revert spammy edits manually ;D --[[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] 15:23, 18 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:Congratulations :)--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:39, 18 Apr 2007 (CDT)

:Thank you - It is indeed much easier :D --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] 08:24, 19 Apr 2007 (CDT)

::Seems you have taken the guard. I hope people aren't giving you too much trouble.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 15:08, 13 Jun 2008 (CDT)

:::With Jacob suddenly go MIA for past few weeks (although he does went online periodically on Neopets), someone has to hold the fort here... I'm SO glad to see you here. :D --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 23:39, 13 Jun 2008 (CDT)

::::I am afraid I am going on a school trip next week, that means no Internet for me :| I will try to remember to check back more often, though.--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 16:50, 14 Jun 2008 (CDT)

==NeoDex Search Plugin==
Can you explain more about the "Neodex Search Plugin"? This the first I've heard about it. Is it a project you worked at on the side? --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 15:51, 16 Sep 2007 (UTC)
:As I mentioned, it's nothing much. It allows the user to add the Neodex to their search bar within Firefox 2 and IE 7, thus allowing them to search for an article on Neodex directly from the browser itself. If required, we can also add search suggestions to the search (eg. typing "neo" returns "neopets", "neopoints" and "neodex"), but for that we'll require at least a database.
:It's something I noticed while setting up Firefox 2 at my workplace. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] 00:45, 17 Sep 2007 (UTC)

== Access to Secret Staff Forum Granted ==

Hello :) As a staff member at PPT, you have now been granted access to the top secret staff board at PPT for you to meet all the other staff members, and to partake in any site discussion that goes there. We also hold optional weekly meetings online if you wish to attend and find help for any PPT-related projects that you may be on.

All PPT staff now has access, and we need some NeoDex representation there, so head to http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/ - register an account and email me kym@kymhuynh.com your username there so I can grant you access. Hope to see you there. --[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 06:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

==Double Redirects==
Oh, thanks for picking up all those double redirects! I didn't think to check for them when I moved the page, sorry. ;) --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 02:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

:I was just looking through the [[Special:Specialpages|special pages]] when I noticed the double redirects. :P --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 15:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

== I need a replacement...or something ==

I'm finally making it officially and stating that I won't be here for awhile, and will need someone to take the lead...or something. Go to the [[NeoDex_talk:Community_Portal#New_Head.2Fadditional_Head_Admin_needed|talk page of the community portal]] to see what I'm talking about. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 08:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

==Anti-spam==

Nice anti-vandal double-teaming, today! ^^ --[[User:Macbeth|Macbeth]] 18:31, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

:Indeed. :D --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

==daily dare==
okay, thanks for clearing that up. your idea seems more efficient. i will try to keep the 2009 page up to date, and if you please, will research the 2008 daily dare and upload the information onto the 2008 page.
[[Special:Contributions/202.86.210.32|202.86.210.32]] 04:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
== I don't really mind ==
I don't really mind about continuous changes. NeoDex has to include some information about shop stocks. Take a look at this article: [[Faerie Weapon Shop]] [[User:A Neezles A|A Neezles A]] 18:26, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
== Talk with piano ==
He's underage, so I can't contact him through Neomail. And are you abided by COPPA? Is this site 13+ only? [[User:A Neezles A|A Neezles A]] 16:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

: Sorry, my bad. But still, Neodex is not a place for private communication. As for COPPA, not for Neodex. --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 16:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi I am the underage guy who's 8 years old. Allan [[User:Piano965|Piano965]]

== Winner's curse ==
Hey, short version: I deleted the article Winner's curse because quite frankly, I couldn't see how it was an article (see [http://pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php/Special:Undelete/Winner%27s_curse version history]).

Long problem-filled version: As you may remember, I resigned a few months ago. So I don't know if the deletion I performed can be considered legitimate. Problem is, nobody ever removed my powers from me. I messaged Kym a few days ago about that. It would be nice if you could tell me what I am supposed to do and if I should restrain myself from sysop actions. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 01:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

:Once you became sysop, you became a Neodex slave forever, muahaha! ;P

:Jokes aside, I agree that we should remove the sysop permission for inactive accounts (> 3~6 months?) and clearly resigned users, in case of account hijack. If they return again, we could add the sysop permission again. At the moment, if any one of us (sysop) go rouge, we might as well kill the whole Neodex (you know, due to lack of active Neodex administrator to stop rouge sysop in time). :P

:I had tried sending private message to Kym several times on the forum on a different issue, but I can't seem to get him. I will try again on another communication channel. In the mean time, I don't mind if you use the sysop power. Nice to see you again. :) --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 02:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

::Hehe, thanks mate :) Would be nice if you could also address the inactivity of [[User:NeoEva88]] alongside with me.
::Looks like we really have got some activity problems at Neodex :/ At the moment, I do not intend to return (due to me being busy with lessons and real life) and as far as I can see, most of the others aren't very active either. We have like 5 active users at one time at most, of which maybe two are sysops *sigh* What are you gonna do, it has always been like that as far as I can remember. I am glad there are still a few (you, Dizzy and Emeraldosprey) who keep the thing running. Good job, guys :D *hands cookies* --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 23:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Hi guys, thanks for the pokes. I made all the changes requested and have removed sysop powers from inactive accounts identified. I usually reply to emails and PMs at 12 PM and 4 PM every day. If I haven't replied to any of your messages in three days, feel free to send it again.--[[User:Yukio|Kym]] 02:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Kym, I don't really think this is a good idea because the inactive editors may come back sooner or later and will be shocked to see that they no longer have admin powers. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 02:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Don't worry. :) The accounts I sent to Kym are truly inactive or retired. If you're wondering, the only inactive account which I sent to Kym does not have any edit since 2006. *Pointing to [[User:NeoEva88|NeoEva88]], mentioned by Demon* --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 19:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Ahhh, so that's how it went down. MWA HA HA HA HA!!! *ahem* Will go and try some things out to help. --[[User:Jacob|Jacob]] 20:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Thank you for your help ==

Ah, you're welcome! I myself have been kind of obsessed with Neopets lately, so why not help the Neodex with all these new things I've learned on Neopets and add them to NeoDex ;D [[User:A Neezles A|Charlotte xoxo]] 03:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, and the only active editors right now are you, me, and [[User:KyogreOfTheSea|KyogreOfTheSea]] who helps out with the [[Daily Puzzle]] answers :D {{sign|A Neezles A}}
::And of course, [[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] and [[User:Emeraldosprey|Emeraldosprey]].
:That vandalism made by Hagrid was annoying, wasn't it? ;) {{sign|A Neezles A}}
::And I could be very scary when annoyed. In worst cases, I'm willing to block the whole ISP for extended period of time (which I did it before). --[[User:SwordFire|SwordFire]] ( [[User talk:SwordFire|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SwordFire|contrib]] ) 18:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm currently an active user too. :P And also, would it be appropriate for the vandalized pages to be move-protected? I predict that the vandal would be back sometime later on. [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 22:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Yep, you were right. Hagrid is back on [[User:Wheeler|Wheeler]] user, but luckily [[User:Dizzy|Dizzy]] blocked him and moved all pages to what it was. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 02:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::That was fast. :) [[User:Pinkgirl34|Pinkgirl]][[User talk:Pinkgirl34|34]] 02:12, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Um, SwordFire, the vandalism attack came back on [[User:Tewapack]] and [[User:Willy on Wheels]]. Willy on Wheels? Wikipedia vandaliser-- I should have known! [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 15:13, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::: And if you or any admin can PLEASE restore my userpage and talk page to the way it was! [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 15:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: Yeah. I'm waking up earlier than usual just to find some vandalism to revert. Luckily there's an early bird around ;D [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 03:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::BTW, the weekend is coming up. If many people aren't on then I'll be there to revert the vandalism. And also, for some reason I wake up earlier on the weekends ;D [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 03:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Yup, he's back on Jpgordon. [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 17:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
(moving to the left) Dude, looks like I requested my powers to be removed at exactly the wrong time. You sorted it all out or still need any help?--[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 21:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

User talk:SwordFire

2009-09-11T21:41:52Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Re: Thank you for your help */ re recent vandalism

User talk:Pinkgirl34

2009-09-01T00:01:09Z

Himmelsdemon: /* Altador Cup I */ new section

== Welcome to NeoDex! ==
Nice to see a new user :) [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 19:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:Pinkgirl34, would you mind reviewing your edits before you submit them? [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 20:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:Still, see the message for this PET: [http://www.neopets.com/petlookup.phtml?pet=Cozen262 cozen262] [[User:A Neezles A|Destiny Charlotte]] 20:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== Altador Cup I ==

Hey, you two, please don't start an [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Edit war|edit war]] about [[Altador Cup I]]. Ask the opinion of an active [[Special:Listadmins|sysop]] (please also note that I am not an official sysop anymore) or, even better, resolve your issues on the [[Talk:Altador Cup I|talk page]] :D

Thanks in advance.

The exact same message was posted to [[User:A Neezles A|A Neezles A]]. --[[User:Himmelsdemon|Demon]] 00:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

NeoDex:Sandbox

2009-08-31T23:49:00Z

Himmelsdemon: restored to version by Jacob

''Welcome to the '''Sandbox''', a Wiki namespace page designed for testing and experimenting with Wiki syntax. Feel free to try your skills at formatting here: click the 'Edit' tab on the top, make your changes, and click 'Save page' when you are finished. Content added here will not stay permanently. Do not spam, vandalize or place advertisments on this page. If you do, the [[Bringer of Night]] shall pounce on you with massive fury, and force you to help him bake a cake. :P

For help on editing, see [[Help:Editing]] ''
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Ah, this will let me add something to an already created page, obviously! Including html shtuff. Hmm, wonder if that means I don't need a template? Like, does the text just go in like this? I'll have to figue out Wiki coding...for things like table of contents and section titles. Hmm....

[[Image:Jubjub Plushie Shopkeeper.gif|left]]

I like to put you in a trance.

PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT PPT Pinkpt Neodex PPT Pinkpt Neodex PPT Pinkpt Neodex PPT PPT PPT PPT '''ROCKS!'''how.....?????

test [[User:Mike|''Mike]]'' - [[User talk:Mike|talk]] 05:23, 10 May 2007 (CDT)
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Hi
In the time before time, there was a man, two men, a very big man and a monkey, all together fighting for what is right. no matter what the cost, they would get their taco bell. A taco buritto of a tasty nature, one which would not burn their mouths.

BWAHAHA! I WILL DESTROY YOU, FOR I AM DOCTOR DUNG! ALL HAIL ME, THE EVIL GENIUS!!!!!!!!!

[[Image:Kanrik.gif|frame|left|[[Kanrik]] is thankful he doesn't need to fight the Bringer of Night Anymore!]]
This summer, see the battle that should have been fought fairly, but was rigged from the start. He was an honest man making an honest wage, getting by in a wretched world, when they suddenly took it all away. Now he's getting it back. He must return to the arcade and face off against his fear, and finally defeat "The Legend of MAX" at DDR Extreme, and this time not trip over his feet.

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| '''GNOMES!!!'''|| || '''Gnomes!!!'''
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| '''Gnomes!!!'''||http://images.neopets.com/images/frontpage/wingoball_2007.gif || '''GNOMES!!!'''
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| '''GNOMES!!!'''|| || '''Gnomes!!!'''
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|[[Image:Harry_Mutant_Moehog.gif]] ||Be sure to use proper spelling in whatever you type. the writer in you demands it! ;) ||[[Image:52_scarabs.gif|The 3 Musketeers!...is that spelled right? :o]]
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|[[Image:Grey_Faerie_Image.gif|Feeling gray...]] ||http://images.neopets.com/pets/sad/korbat_plushie_baby.gif
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'''Where is the rewind button when you need it in the middle of a video game? Seriously, there are many a times i want to rewind and do over, because i was playing perfectly up until ONE moment, and then it just went...wrong. And i had to do everything over again. don't like that at all. Give me the Prince of Persia's "Sand's of Time"...will be throwing that around a lot, you can count on it.'''

Behold the giant supreme mega power of the head NeoDex admin! He is wasting time typing this!
 

<html> Will this work> </html> No It didn't!
http://images.neopets.com/images/frontpage/giantsquid_day_2007.gif

Ok, I am just checking this out... Woo it worked! YAY!

http://www.pinkpt.com/neodex/images/3/3d/Xweetok_rope.PNG
I'd feel alot better if I WASN'T hanging upsidown and the guy below me DIDN'T have a cane...

http://www.pinkpt.com/neodex/images/8/83/Mayor_closeattack.gif
Heheheh...

What a mean thing for you to do, hurting the poor little spotted Xweetok! I'm a Xweetok lover, and if someone wanted to hang my Xweetoks upside down on a rope, I'd take their place. Poor, POOR Xweetok! Don't do that ever again or my two Xweetoks will hang YOU upside down so you can see how it feels. >:(
P.S. Who did this? Whoever did this has no sense of kindness.

'''Xweetoks rule''' ''Xweetoks rule'' '''Xweetoks rule''' ''Xweetoks rule'' '''Xweetoks rule''' ''Xweetoks rule'' '''XWEETOKS RULE!!!!!!'''

http://pinkpt.com/neodex/images/4/49/Xweetok_red_baby.gif http://pinkpt.com/neodex/images/e/e4/Lilian_Fairweather_HTD.gif http://pinkpt.com/neodex/images/0/07/Palia_Alback_2006.gif http://pinkpt.com/neodex/images/a/ae/Sela_Pretore_2007.gif http://pinkpt.com/neodex/images/5/52/150_xweetok.gif

Oh sorry. I searched "Xweetok" in the search box and it came up with a user named Xweetok, a spotted Xweetok who got stuck in a rope. Sorry, I didn't know it was you. I thought you were trying to harass Xweetoks. Sorry Xweetok, sorry, sorry, sorry.


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