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Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:08 am

Ixistant wrote:
.:Chronically Depressed:. wrote:
!erif no saw MD wrote:
Angus Young wrote:Im a bit confused about this since I know nothing about any religion, but what happens when the pope dies?

EDIT: I dont hail rune


.eno rehtona tcele yeht eveilbe I

!epoP wen a tcele yaht neht dna gninruom fo syad enin s'reihT .thgir si DM


Nuh uh. It's 15 days after the pope is dead, and during that time his chamberlin takes on the duties and the powers of the pope until a new one is elected. Or at least that's what Angels And Demons says.

!swen eht no dias ti tahw s'taht esauceb syad enin s'ti oN

Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:01 am

I remember when the Pope came through Sydney a few years ago. The crowds were ginormous.

I believe that he's Polish as well, am I right? That makes him even more important to me and our family (we're all Polish too).

But then, 26 years is a long time of service. I mean, I'd only ever known this one guy to be the Pope for my whole life. And a sudden change, well it'll be weird.

But he's survived through so much before. Rememeber when he was shot? He may live through. But if not, I'm hoping that his passing to the after-life will be peaceful.

Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:07 am

Christopher wrote:And then the pope jumps up and goes 'April Fools roflmao!'


I'm sorry,but I just find that completely inappropriate ;) I'm not Catholic, but this is a very solemn and sad time :(

Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:21 am

teh0mega wrote:I remember when the Pope came through Sydney a few years ago. The crowds were ginormous.

I believe that he's Polish as well, am I right? That makes him even more important to me and our family (we're all Polish too).

But then, 26 years is a long time of service. I mean, I'd only ever known this one guy to be the Pope for my whole life. And a sudden change, well it'll be weird.

But he's survived through so much before. Rememeber when he was shot? He may live through. But if not, I'm hoping that his passing to the after-life will be peaceful.


I saw him speak in Rome three years ago. My group didn't think he'd last through the winter, but he did. He's lived for three years (and a few days past the date we saw him), and it's quite... amazing.
When we heard him speak in english it sounded like "God save firestone tires" at the time it was funny, but his parkinsons affected his speech quite a bit.
I'm not Catholic, i'm agnostic... and I don't agree with all of the popes beliefs... but he's still done a lot for the world on a whole. It will be a hard loss on the Church.
I think the fact that he's not gone to hospital (when he has had the option) says a lot for the situation. I doubt he's going to pull through. If he went to hospital, he'd have a better chance, not a great one, but a better one... maybe this is just his time to go.

Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:17 am

Fizzy wrote:
Christopher wrote:And then the pope jumps up and goes 'April Fools roflmao!'


I'm sorry,but I just find that completely inappropriate ;) I'm not Catholic, but this is a very solemn and sad time :(


Agreed... sorry, it's just how I feel.

It's think it's really sad how he's now dying. I hope he pulls through - but if he doesn't they say he is at one with Jesus. I do believe that. *sigh* Such a shame.

Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:25 pm

Fiddelysquat wrote:
Kyra wrote:I don't see what the big deal is... Old people die all the time. Yeah, it's sad and I don't want anyone to have to die in that much pain, but it happens alot. This is, however, making me very scared for my grandparents since they're older than him.


The Pope dedicated his life to service, and many people have ben affected by his charity and his teachings. He is respected by many people, and they are mourning the loss of someone who made such a huge difference.


Oh, I thought he was just... sort of the figurehead for that religion. I didn't know he actually DID stuff.

Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:35 pm

Kyra wrote:Oh, I thought he was just... sort of the figurehead for that religion. I didn't know he actually DID stuff.


Many young people (myself included) don't know how important the Pope really is because our only memory is of the current one struggling with parkinsons. The pope's real job involves determinining religious doctrine, maintaining the integrity of the church, and doing every kind of international relations you can imagaine. He has the ear of politicians because they know he has the ear of every Catholic on the planet. He is counted above Kings and Princes. In some ways he is very much a figurehead, but it really all depends on the individual. The pope has a great deal of power, whether they are mearly a figurehead or not depends on their choice (or in this case, ability) to use it.

When we have a new pope, I highly doubt he will be regarded as a figurehead. I'm really hoping the vatican elects someone like John Paul in his early years. Someone who won't be afraid to do a little shaking up.

Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:05 pm

Fizzy wrote:
Christopher wrote:And then the pope jumps up and goes 'April Fools roflmao!'


I'm sorry,but I just find that completely inappropriate ;) I'm not Catholic, but this is a very solemn and sad time :(


And it makes absolutely no sense to spend your entire life crying. Everyone here seems upset, even to a small extent, and the mood definitely needed to be lightened. Just because something is incredibly sad doesn't mean you need to be completely sad about it. Besides, someone dying isn't necessarily bad. The Pope has been suffering for a long time. Personally, I believe, it's going to be good for him to die. The guy has so much responsibility and has been through so much pain... rest will be wonderful.

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:07 pm

Kyra wrote:I don't see what the big deal is... Old people die all the time. Yeah, it's sad and I don't want anyone to have to die in that much pain, but it happens alot. This is, however, making me very scared for my grandparents since they're older than him.

Your grandparents probably don't have Parkinsons'. :)

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:30 pm

Dawn2 wrote:
Fizzy wrote:
Christopher wrote:And then the pope jumps up and goes 'April Fools roflmao!'


I'm sorry,but I just find that completely inappropriate ;) I'm not Catholic, but this is a very solemn and sad time :(


And it makes absolutely no sense to spend your entire life crying.


I know that. Christopher made me chuckle a bit, but the Pope hasn't died yet, and it will be very sad when he does. It's not really our whole life, just... while he's still fresh in our minds. :)

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:41 pm

He has the ear of politicians because they know he has the ear of every Catholic on the planet. He is counted above Kings and Princes.


Back in the medieval days of Europe, maybe.

While I agree he is a kind man that has done many great things, his views of Catholicism were far too conservative; I hope the next Pope is more reform-minded.

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:53 pm

hyperflutterby wrote:
Kyra wrote:Oh, I thought he was just... sort of the figurehead for that religion. I didn't know he actually DID stuff.


Many young people (myself included) don't know how important the Pope really is because our only memory is of the current one struggling with parkinsons. The pope's real job involves determinining religious doctrine, maintaining the integrity of the church, and doing every kind of international relations you can imagaine. He has the ear of politicians because they know he has the ear of every Catholic on the planet. He is counted above Kings and Princes. In some ways he is very much a figurehead, but it really all depends on the individual. The pope has a great deal of power, whether they are mearly a figurehead or not depends on their choice (or in this case, ability) to use it.

When we have a new pope, I highly doubt he will be regarded as a figurehead. I'm really hoping the vatican elects someone like John Paul in his early years. Someone who won't be afraid to do a little shaking up.


Also, it is the pope's duty to appoint new Bishops, Archbishops and Cardinals. Every single bishop, archbishop and cardinal has been approved by the pope. And considering how many bishops there are alone, and how long the pope has been reigning for, that's a lot of work.

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:33 pm

M. Bison wrote:
He has the ear of politicians because they know he has the ear of every Catholic on the planet. He is counted above Kings and Princes.


Back in the medieval days of Europe, maybe.

While I agree he is a kind man that has done many great things, his views of Catholicism were far too conservative; I hope the next Pope is more reform-minded.


He does now too.
He played quite an important part in bringing down the berlin wall.

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:51 pm

I will be glad when he's dead. Do you know why? Because I think he is suffering so much, not only because of his illness but because people will NOT leave him alone to die in peace.

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:57 pm

Ginger Harp Seal Pup wrote:I will be glad when he's dead. Do you know why? Because I think he is suffering so much, not only because of his illness but because people will NOT leave him alone to die in peace.


But thats the thing, he was a people person. If he's still awake (i'm not sure if he is) he could easily command for the square to be cleared of people.
I'm not sure how much he is suffering, from what i've heard on TV when he was still concious he was praying quietly and asking the people in the square to pray with him. Not everyone wants to be alone in death, and for someone whose spent their whole life working with people... why be left alone now?
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