WW 32: Harry Potter - Game over! (Please Lock)

Dyl · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:25 am

The evidence on Rachel seems situational, but convincing. I'm going to vote but also wait for a defence.

Vote: Crazy
Vote: Rachel

Alex · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:35 am

I agree, it could be any number of things. I'm just putting it out there that the poison attacks (or lack of) appear to be in conjunction of when Rachel could and could not use her role, and the two previous nights where I've followed her.

Btw, I am aware I'm totally putting myself out here to be killed by baddies, judging from the blatantly obvious statements I've been making about my role.

I'm more than willing to change my vote if Rachel posts a reasonable defence. But people have also commented previously on their suspicions and there was no rebuttal from Rachel thus far.

Mongrel · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:40 am

Vote: Crazy
Reserving judgement on Rachel until she posts a defense. But it looks bad.

Blake · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:41 am

Vote: Crazy
Vote: Rachel

I am waiting for a defense.

Ammer · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:21 am

Pink wrote:

Not really. To say she's the poisoner because she didn't poison anyone on night 3 is a circular argument. It doesn't make sense. And the poisoning seems to be happening on random nights.

Night 1=Poisoning
Night 2=No Poisoning
Night 3=No Poisoning
Night 4=Poisoning

There's no pattern. I'm not trying to defend her, per se. I'm just saying that you're using a faulty logic. To say it's her just because one of the nights she was unable to do anything and nothing happened does not make sense. She was able to do something the next night and nothing happened. I'm not convinced. That's all I'm saying.

I'm the opposite, I find her logic to be quite convincing.

Rachel's "activity" seems suspicious as the nights she didn't do anything, no one was poisoned. However tonight she tracked thetrueoogabooga and he was almost killed.

As to your logic, I believe it's fallacious. You said she was able to do something the next night, and nothing happened, which is precisely the point. When Rachel did something, oogabooga was targetted. When she chose not to do anything or was unable to do anything, nothing happened.

It seems far from coincidental in my opinion that her tracking for the past few days is merely situational.

Vote: Rachel
Vote: Crazy

Edit:

I'd also like to hear Rachel's defense and if I find it convincing, I'll switch my vote. But as of now, I see her as being guilty.

Anvil · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:29 am

Vote: Crazy
Vote: Rachel

Not 100% convincing, but I don't like being risk-free after a few days have passed. My vote will probably stand.

Miyu · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:01 am

Vote: Crazy, again for obvious reasons.

This information could just as easily lead to the conclusion, that Rachel is the one having the bird carry people off.
As, so far the bird has only appeared on Nights 1 and 4.
Night 1 - bus driver, flip flopper.. Rachel was made to target herself. (Edit: This is a guess at something which could've happened, to explain why Rachel was carried off, if she were to be in charge of such bird. Felt I needed to clarify that.)
Night 4 - well you said she targeted Ooga, Ooga was both attacked and carried off.

As much as I would like for us to nab another baddie, and hopefully get a double execution today. I'm not one to jump to conclusions, when there is missing information. I don't see any clarification saying WHAT she did, when she targeted Ooga. Yes, the information so far is pretty incriminating, but I feel we can expend the time, of finding out these details.. so we don't have to say 'whups' in the case that she is an innocent. So I agree, whomever is in charge of the bird, please contact Alex.

Twizzler0171 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:34 am

Note to self: Don't read the WW thread before going to bed. It causes crazy ideas to go in your head that keeps you awake. DX So apologies if this doesn't make sense.

Here's what I think happened. I think it's been stated slightly before, but not really in an organized manner nor in this exact way, so here goes. It could just help organize the information already stated for me, haha. But it does provide an explanation for why so many people focused on oogabooga.

Bruces Galore asks for protection.
This leads to flip flopper, poison protector, and bird person do so.
Poisoner also attacks.
Flip flopper switches poisoner, poison protector, and bird person lists to oogabooga.

Although there are some other roles that also could have been targeting Bruces Galore and oogabooga, I think this narrows down Rachel's choices a bit. So unless she gives a convincing defense:

Vote: Rachel
Vote: Crazy

Alex · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:46 am

Have heard from our birdy friend, and I can confirm that Rachel is not in charge of the bird. So that rules out her targeting thetrueoogabooga in order to carry him off.

There's been some list switching going on, with bruces galore and thetrueoogabooga. However, given that I tracked Rachel and neither of these two, I don't believe that it would have affected my results.

As I know that the list switching roles can sometimes vary between games, now I'm asking if the person responsible for that can contact me, please?

(My inbox is going to hate me...)

Oh, and that huge list of people I sent PM's to earlier today, if you've read it, mind replying? I'm trying to sort out the information that I'm aware of

Twinkle · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:18 am

I want to know, why ooga? Is there anything about him we don't know? It seems very odd that he should be attacked so much, even if the lists were switched.

Vote: Crazy
Vote: Rachel

Alex · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:05 am

Helen, I think it's more that the switcher swapped bruces and thetrueoogabooga - don't know if there was a reason for the choice, but a lot of people are targeting bruces for coming out on thread, and so it all ended up on thetrueoogabooga.

Helena · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:10 am

Vote: Crazy
Vote: Rachel

I've spoken with people.

Christopher · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:35 am

Siniri wrote:

Sorry it's taken me so long, but with the name changes and everything, it was a bit confusing to sort through. Here's a list of who didn't vote on Days 2 and 3 -- this doesn't necessarily mean they didn't submit lists, but it's possible. It's also possible that the poisoner can only act on certain nights, shares the role, or submitted a list of "no poisoning." For the sake of completeness, I included killed players, since it's *possible* that they might have been the poisoner -- but the role could have been heired. Here are the lists (I apologize for any mistakes -- I checked it twice, but it was a bit confusing for me, so someone please double-check):
Didn't vote either day
8. Lee (f) -> Replaced by Twiz (f)
14. Christopher (m) - poisoned Night 1 (cannot be rezzed)
15. Ammer (m)
33. Rox (m)->replaced by Christopher
34. Missy! (f) - Kissed by Dementors Night 1 - Percy Weasley
35. Moongewl (but just joined the game on night 3 with a new role)
36. Jas (but just joined the game on night 3 with a new role)

Didn't vote day 2
21. Rachel (f) {known not to have submitted a list on day 2; alleged not to have submitted one on day 3}
22. Pixa (m) - Avada'd Night 3 - Fred Weasley
1. Jas (f) -> replaced by Anvil (m)

Didn't vote day 3
29. ginny-ROX (f) - Avada'd Night 2 - Bellatrix
30. warxelo (m)
32. Dyl (m)

My personal thoughts on the list: the original Rox/Jas roles (now Christopher 2/Anvil) couldn't have been the poisoners from night 1, but they could have been heirs. However, I doubt the poisoner was already killed because I don't think Percy, Fred, or Bellatrix was it. The only unknown dead was Christopher 1, but he was poisoned -- so unless there's some special power that can cause the poisoner's attack to rebound (and even if there were, what are the odds that person picked Christopher out of the original 34 to target?), I'm assuming the initial poisoner is still alive.

Given these assumptions, I'd say the top suspects include Lee/Twiz, Ammer, and Rachel, followed by Dyl and warxelo.

I can assure you I didn't poison myself either way

Vote: Crazy
Vote: Rachel

Laryxler · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:28 am

Vote: Crazy
Vote: Rachel

I'm pretty sure these two are evil; my vote won't be changing.

May · **Posted:** Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:22 pm

Vote: Crazy
Vote: Rachel

Miyu, I'm glad that someone posted up the possibility of Rachel being the one to control the bird as that's what I first thought of as well. But now that the person who controls the bird has come forward, I think it's safe to say that it looks like Rachel is indeed the poisoner. I will be open to a defense though.

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