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Wait... how do you know it was timed again?

It could even have been 'timed' by the number of players that inevitably would play, even if as an earlier person suggested we PPTers revolted and boycotted. Besides, the plot characters were the only opponents available during such times. If you have a BD addiction, you will fight what is there, I am assuming .. though speak out if I am wrong!

PS -- *Also refers to my earlier post, just one page back at end, of my other suspicions if it were indeed programmed on a plot-time schedule.*

In other words, kudos to whomever bothered to actually take notes and calculate, mathematically the avg. RATE the mayor's HP went down.

Hey, I fought a few times too. I just think it was TNT's version of a belated plot Trick or Treat. In an Editorial lately they said fighting in this plot would count but they would not say how much. This intrigues me.

To be honest, it was not so hard to figure out the timed inevitablity. Saying that naive people should not be penalized is (almost) like saying the smarter ones should. I am over-generalizing (rather black-and-white-ing) of course, but I really do think that this is a very odd case.

Again, the plot opponents were sometimes the only one available. Even if one were to play Neopets ONLY to use the Battledome, the Mayor would probably have been defeated the same time. Just so happens we have a plot, so more people know that there is something in the futility. If one were unaware of the plot, one would either enjoy the training, even if lost, or more likely wonder why there is only 1 challenger available to kick ur butt. Therefore there are more people aware of the plot and willing to do this in all futility, than there are 'clueless users' demographically speaking. (As in not know much about Neopia, not an IQ judgement.)

*Futher clarifys, I meant more 'VERY occasional user,' as in someone described above that only uses one area of the site, and I assume demographically few, but enough to again inevitably influence the mayor, even if not programmed timed.

Sorry to write so much on it, I just sometimes feel very misunderstood.

EDIT: Hopefully (?) in terms of plot points no one will gain or lose much either way. But then the people that "tried" so hard complain. There is never any "fairness" in that sense. Such is life. Also, the people that care about BD stats might be further disappointed. *Hugs discernment again.*

Oh, thanks. I never looked up my own that way, and I haven't challenged people either, so . . . I guess the people who actually "beat" him must be posting it on the boards, or how else would one know?

It seems odd to me that TNT wouldn't count the battles in the plot scores in some way. Since some people couldn't battle the mayor - those who didn't finish the potions - it would make for an automatic distinction between those who went through the whole plot and those who didn't.

Someone said on another board that they were able to battle the mayor yesterday even though they didn't finish the potions, but someone in my guild could not.

To be honest, I was referring to the post above yours, but your reply still doesn't make sense; I think you're confusing "selfish" and "wrong". They're not the same thing. In other words, sure, it was your choice to not fight the mayor, and there were aren't really any negative consequences to anyone else for doing so. But that doesn't mean it wasn't the more-"selfish" choice, it just means it wasn't a "wrong" choice. So my point is, it's not wrong to skip the part for selfish reasons. If I had a very high win percentage that I cared about more than plot participation and points, I would have taken the selfish route too, and have no qualms with it.



This is what I object to. Specifically, with this excerpt: there's no "fall for". Suspend disbelief* - you're in a virtual pet game, after all - and just join in the fun and, if you need the additional motiviation, score some plot points in the meantime. (You might also be misinterpreting the goal of the part - nobody, I hope, fought him repeatedly to win or just to fight some opponent. It was probably mostly to join in the group effort (which is what TNT probably would want), or, possibly, for the plot points.)

*Of course, it's possible to screw things up so much that you don't sustain your players' SoD, but I don't think TNT handled things that badly...

(and, on seeing the subsequent posts:)



Nobody should be penalized for suspension of disbelief. Getting people immersed in the plot is part of the goal - not something to be punished.

We did have all the other challengers - Stone, Trees, Mobs and Shadows .

I did fight them and how!!

I believe those challengers will give us points (wins only) as I remember a staff member going on the boards to say losing is not helping anyone. That was for those challengers, I am not talking about the Mayor.

When the first Mayor was defeated everyone was asking about when the next one would be released - I even posted that it was probably on a time release and sure enough not long after the 2nd Mayor was released.

The 3rd was released not longer after the 2nd was defeated.

Now, in hindsight - those had to be on a timed release. Either TNT had a rough idea of how long it would take for their hits points to go down or the Mayors were timed (automatic loses without fighting).

These suggestions came up even before the fighting finished.

As for previous wars - I have been in a few: all wins counted - loses didn't.


As all plots have been scored differently, no-one knows how TNT will award points.

Everyone chooses how they see fit too - in the first waves of fighting, I chose to go after the 'higher' ranked challengers first (as did a lot of others) because I believe the harder challengers will be worth more than the easier ones.

As to the Mayor - I have no idea. None what so ever.

I am still not 100% sure of anything - TNT regularly confuse me.



Nowhere do I say - "wrong", I don't believe I was wrong in my choice, just as I don't believe you are wrong in yours.



Once again, it is not selfish - How can it be? To be called selfish, I would have to have prior knowledge of the event and decide to act at the expense of others.

As everyone fighting was actually fighting for themselves and what they would get out of it, then your response doesn't make sense.

Okay, I am outta here. I said too much or still misunderstood. I stated I was black and whiteing, for a reason. For contrast. I do not think anyone should be penalized. I think you chose what you did for a very psychological and quite predictable reason. Mine happened to be 1) BD bores me overall, 2) I didn't even, for THAT MATTER, care if it influenced my plot points or not (not willing to waste my time and clicky arms on such), 3) I really do think it is a Trick. Whether anyone will be 'downgraded' is only TNT's judgement. And it is a game, I agree. I wish I would not even take it so seriously sometimes. But I also think these are VERY hard logic puzzles and TNT are not idiots. Look at the Lenny Conundrums. Cyodrake's Gaze. (Underappreciated, in my opinion.)

I hope we all get grand prizes, and so many plot points we don't know what to do with them. So, sorry again if I pushed anyone's buttons wrong.

EDIT: I fought them all, you guys! I know I am picking out parts and seem defensive, but I don't want to be misunderstood. My BD stats.

And if you want to 'argue' Suspension of Disbelief vs. Discernment, PM me. SoD is more, to me, like naivety or hope or wishful thinking. Not using clues and input from surroundings and making a wise choice; but blindly joining in on the jumping off the bridge, so to speak.

Since all along in the plot we were supposed to be trying to cure the Neovians, and the way to do it was to get the potion in the well, then why would battling the mayor be a trick? If we did the last step that was written in the comic, like all of the other steps, why would it be a trick? Just wondering. Not counting the fights for much is one thing, but it being a trick is another. It really doesn't make any sense to me that it would be what I think of as a trick.

To be honest, not to sound too 'deep' or 'freaky' or at worst off topic, but I personally happen to think it is just a sign of the times, a turning of (to a higher) human making-better-choices evolution. Just learning.

And the logic puzzles will only get harder. Especially in times of war. (Come on, we all know as growing young/adults Neopets is a life metaphor. Trains our brain for what we aspire to develop, our values.)

Some of us also know TNT's Scientology background and the 'prophecy' and timeline of that metaphor to the world, still influencing Neopets.

Discernment is a word not easily translated to other languages. Go try. It is really knowing not just the difference between black and white (or right and wrong) but even when one can or should help someone/thing or can't (or shouldn't perhaps interfere.) Etc.

Higher brain stuff, really! Hehe. I mean I have neck/arm disability. So even as much as I enjoy butting my head against the wall in neopets plots, I have better things to do than 'hope' for plot points. I can't help myself. I still think it is naive, god bless you all lol. And those that TRULY enjoy BDing, won't care, shouldn't, especially if the plot point value is negligible. Since according to them, they love the BD, just BDing, right? Or is this the real reason why the BD lovers need a 'war plot' to be excited?

PM me if I am probably really off topic, or in danger of creating too much forum 'chatter' and I can interact with you tomorrow, as I go to sleep soon. (I hope I have not offended more people, as is NOT my intention.)

Ugh I didn't even get to challenge the mayor coz I started doing the plot only 2 days ago up till yesterday. I took the whole day mixing the potions and thought of continuing today and what do I get? A missing page. Nooooo! The plot has been completed. When is the next plot I wonder? I never know they can be fun. Hahaha

I recently got some "insider" info that claimed very much to the contrary - that "all the major ties to Scientology have left the company". This is completely unverified (they* offered a verification path, but I replied a bit late and they haven't gotten back to me) - so take this with a grain of salt - but it's an interesting possibility. Who knows what's being shaken up over there at Viacom? I mean, I don't know what they'd do with their old CEO if they were to keep him around....

*gender-neutral singular pronoun

(I hope this doesn't generate too much speculation, so I replied here instead of splitting off into a different topic.)

The goal of the part?

The overall goal of a plot is to work out the clues and ultimately finish it before your time is up.

If person A chooses to do plots for prizes and person B chooses to do the plot for fun - then who is misinterpreting the goal?

Being on Neo and participating in plots should be fun, but what is the harm in wanting to have trophies, or better prizes or have a really good battledome score?

Everyone has their own reasons for being on Neo and for doing plots.

Within plots, everyone has their choice of how much to do:

A. use a guide or not
B. fight or not
C. ask for help or give up
D. Spend every waking hour doing the plot or only an hour a day.

No-one can really misinterpret how a plot works or a individual step of a plot, when there is no goal except for finishing it before Neo ends it.

I will stick my hand up and say YES, I fought more challengers for the points (that I am only presuming will be given). Having said that, I do plots for fun, but when more points are potentially there, I will do what I think is best for me.

Don't argue! This is a family friendly forum. As in, try not to create big "sparks" when you argue...
All of you have good points. This is sort of grey area. Just try to accept each other!

Edit: Typo...