Does anyone else find this disgusting and offensive?

[10in2010]

Update: Now the Le Tea neoboard is circulating a petition to bring the game back. Double u tee eff? I also reported someone there for saying "d***", I'm pretty sure that word isn't allowed on neoboards and I'm not even sure if it's allowed here!

Personally, I'm glad it's gone. It shows TNT will do something if you keep at it long enough. Maybe the women of TNT were all mad about the game too and they helped to get it pushed off!

[matchbow]

i just have to get my opinion out. first off, this game isn't even properly out yet, and there's no guarantee that it will come out. so it's essentially only us who can play this game, and we're all clearly able to see through the negative messages.
if you play the game, you'll see the 3 girls, but it's a hard game. when i played it, i was eventually concentrating so much on the falling drinks that i had to completely ignore the girls. most people probably won't notice that the girls change size, i sure didn't. the only way to know that this is happening is to read the text on the front page, which i bet few people do. or to see the title bar, which says "slimmer and prettier".
now i'm fairly sure that this has been said before, but the game says "slimmer and prettier".

This is a real awkward ideal to get my head around.

From what I can make of it, you say the game is ok because you failed to notice the discrimination within the context of the game thus proving that the negative message is only there if you look for it.

Whether the game is hard for you or not, the message is still there, whether it is in a foreign language or not, the message is still there and whether the game will ever be fully released on Neopets is besides the point - the game is on Neopets and can be seen. It doesn't matter if 10 people see it or 10,000 - an innapropriate message is still innapropriate.

what innapropriate message? it just says that catching the tea makes you more slim, and more pretty. it doesn't say being slim or pretty is good, nor does it say the opposite. that is something that you decide. it doesn't tell you any reasoning behind the slimness or prettiness, it is just portrayed as a side effect of catching the tea.

this means that it isn't implying slim=pretty, it's implying Le Tea=slim, Le Tea=pretty. what you may be calling out as a negative message (slim=pretty) is an inference. you can only blame the company for what is implied, not what is inferred. that can only be blamed on yourself.
now as staed before, this game doesn't promote being thin or pretty, it simply says that if you catch falling Le Tea bottles from the sky and avoid falling colourful soda bottles, you become more slim and more pretty in unrelated ways.

All I can say is "what?"
Did you not see the fatter girls get prettier as they drunk this magic elixir? How can it be related to anything but drinking the product.

I am pretty darn sure that it is implied that drinking the tea will make you prettier.

they drank nothing. they caught it from the sky. yes, doing so made them more pretty. what's your point? is that good or bad? should we go around telling people who want to be thin to stop trying to catch falling teas? what the point is, is that drinking the tea is not part of the game. for all we know, they're piling them up and burning them secretly, which releases magic properties, temporarily changing their appearance.

The most powerful advertising is the messages that are implied and what as a viewer you don't conciously notice. I have studdied subliminal advertising (which this isn't) and it is much more powerful than something in-your-face (which this is.) What you said isn't a valid argument.

What are you talking about? my argument was that the "in your face" effects of the game were nullified since you didn't see it anyway. your argument seems to be "subliminal>liminal". how does that make my argument invalid? it effectively became nothing, neither subliminal or in-your-face. and i don't care how effective the advertising is, if you can't sense it with any of your senses, it's has no effect.



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[thelilbear]

matchbow, i think you are getting way too caught up in the semantics of the ad. No matter if it says slim and pretty is good or not, it is obvious that that message can be inferred from the game by the sheer number of people that are upset about it. Picking apart the wording is NOT going to change most of our minds.

what innapropriate message? it just says that catching the tea makes you more slim, and more pretty. it doesn't say being slim or pretty is good, nor does it say the opposite. that is something that you decide. it doesn't tell you any reasoning behind the slimness or prettiness, it is just portrayed as a side effect of catching the tea.

they drank nothing. they caught it from the sky. yes, doing so made them more pretty. what's your point? is that good or bad? should we go around telling people who want to be thin to stop trying to catch falling teas? what the point is, is that drinking the tea is not part of the game. for all we know, they're piling them up and burning them secretly, which releases magic properties, temporarily changing their appearance.

Ok, so catching the tea makes you slim and pretty. So if I walk around with a bottle of tea, throwing it up and catching it, I will become slimmer and pretty? Does it not sound a bit ridiculous when it is taken so literally?
I mean, come on. When someone tells you the grass is greener on the other side, do you hop the fence to check?
If you want to take this game and the advertising so literally, feel free to do so. Don't hold it against us though, when we look for the slightly deeper meaning behind the literal words, ok?

[Catgrrrrrrl]

The most powerful advertising is the messages that are implied and what as a viewer you don't conciously notice. I have studdied subliminal advertising (which this isn't) and it is much more powerful than something in-your-face (which this is.) What you said isn't a valid argument.

What are you talking about? my argument was that the "in your face" effects of the game were nullified since you didn't see it anyway. your argument seems to be "subliminal>liminal". how does that make my argument invalid? it effectively became nothing, neither subliminal or in-your-face. and i don't care how effective the advertising is, if you can't sense it with any of your senses, it's has no effect.

Everything we see and hear goes into our brains. Even the things we don't notice. The things that pass under our concious radar, especially in advertising can effect us more powerfully because we don't have the chance to conciously dismiss it. If you don't know what I'm talking about then it's likely you aren't familiar with subliminal advertising as a concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_message

Your point as I understand it was that this was subliminal (IE not noticable.)

My point was that it is obvious and meant to be noticed, but that if it were designed to not be noticed that would make it more powerful not less.

[matchbow]

matchbow, i think you are getting way too caught up in the semantics of the ad. No matter if it says slim and pretty is good or not, it is obvious that that message can be inferred from the game by the sheer number of people that are upset about it. Picking apart the wording is NOT going to change most of our minds.

what innapropriate message? it just says that catching the tea makes you more slim, and more pretty. it doesn't say being slim or pretty is good, nor does it say the opposite. that is something that you decide. it doesn't tell you any reasoning behind the slimness or prettiness, it is just portrayed as a side effect of catching the tea.

they drank nothing. they caught it from the sky. yes, doing so made them more pretty. what's your point? is that good or bad? should we go around telling people who want to be thin to stop trying to catch falling teas? what the point is, is that drinking the tea is not part of the game. for all we know, they're piling them up and burning them secretly, which releases magic properties, temporarily changing their appearance.

Ok, so catching the tea makes you slim and pretty. So if I walk around with a bottle of tea, throwing it up and catching it, I will become slimmer and pretty? Does it not sound a bit ridiculous when it is taken so literally?
I mean, come on. When someone tells you the grass is greener on the other side, do you hop the fence to check?
If you want to take this game and the advertising so literally, feel free to do so. Don't hold it against us though, when we look for the slightly deeper meaning behind the literal words, ok?

if someone told me the grass was greener on the other side, with reference to specific sides of a field, yes, i would go check. and if the grass on the other side did not have a higher G value in its RGB colour value, i would say that the grass was not greener, and that they were incorrect. seriously, i would.
you can look for other meanings, i'm not against that. and you can talk about what you found to be the hidden meanings, there's nothing wrong with that. but that which you find is always an opinion, unless it is the literal meaning, which is what i took from it. what was being done is that the non-literal inferences are being used as facts (eg. they're telling us to drink the tea since it will make us slimmer and prettier, and that is bad). what i say may seem insane, but it is factual, taken literally from the source.

The most powerful advertising is the messages that are implied and what as a viewer you don't conciously notice. I have studdied subliminal advertising (which this isn't) and it is much more powerful than something in-your-face (which this is.) What you said isn't a valid argument.

What are you talking about? my argument was that the "in your face" effects of the game were nullified since you didn't see it anyway. your argument seems to be "subliminal>liminal". how does that make my argument invalid? it effectively became nothing, neither subliminal or in-your-face. and i don't care how effective the advertising is, if you can't sense it with any of your senses, it's has no effect.

Everything we see and hear goes into our brains. Even the things we don't notice. The things that pass under our concious radar, especially in advertising can effect us more powerfully because we don't have the chance to conciously dismiss it. If you don't know what I'm talking about then it's likely you aren't familiar with subliminal advertising as a concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_message

Your point as I understand it was that this was subliminal (IE not noticable.)

My point was that it is obvious and meant to be noticed, but that if it were designed to not be noticed that would make it more powerful not less.

what about things we don't see or hear? does that go into our brains? i seriously doubt that. as i stated, and you emboldened, i was unable to see any aspect of the girls with any senses. to them, my eyes were effectively closed. and i could look at advertising all day with closed eyes, and i can assure you that it would have no effect on me whatsoever

[Catgrrrrrrl]

There is a difference between not seeing and not noticing. If you can't see the girls, then you can't really play the game, can you?

[stampsyne]

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I was SO surprised that nobody seemed to be talking about the commerical. I went back for a second look at it (it did NOTHING for their cause) and found the game to be gone.

[matchbow]

There is a difference between not seeing and not noticing. If you can't see the girls, then you can't really play the game, can you?

you sure can't. and i couldn't play the game because of it, but that's not the point.
not noticing would be: knowing that they're there, and getting the mental images of their shrinking, but not caring at the time. i i had knowledge that they were there, but that was limited only to their locations on the screen so i could clik on them. and eventually, i lost that too, since i started losing. the mental images of their shrinking was not registered, so i think. then again, i don't know, it would have been undetectable anyway

[thelilbear]

you can look for other meanings, i'm not against that. and you can talk about what you found to be the hidden meanings, there's nothing wrong with that. but that which you find is always an opinion, unless it is the literal meaning, which is what i took from it. what was being done is that the non-literal inferences are being used as facts (eg. they're telling us to drink the tea since it will make us slimmer and prettier, and that is bad). what i say may seem insane, but it is factual, taken literally from the source.

Your response isn't insane, you have a very logical response to this. I see exactly where you are coming from. But I don't think you can say this is what the ad literally says, so we shouldn't take offense.
Granted, when one looks at the wording closely, it does not state that slim equals pretty. BUT even looking at it literally, you cannot say what the advertisers meant for people to see in it. Not everyone in the world takes things literally, so to get your point across as an advertiser, you need to be aware how people look at ads and what they may infer, whether it is your intention or not.

I don't think you can consider it a "hidden" meaning, since it is pretty easy to infer, based on the number of people who see it.

And for another literal example, if someone smurf you off, and a friend said, "Just kill them," would you kill them? If you look at the sentence literally, and not take into consideration your friend's tone of voice or stance or anything that would be subjective, all you have is the literal words. So do you do it? Is your defense "Well, Judge, he told me to kill him, and I took it literally."

I'm not arguing that what you are saying is taken literally from the source, I'm just saying there are other factors to determine how people will view the game.
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[Catgrrrrrrl]

There is a difference between not seeing and not noticing. If you can't see the girls, then you can't really play the game, can you?

you sure can't. and i couldn't play the game because of it, but that's not the point.
not noticing would be: knowing that they're there, and getting the mental images of their shrinking, but not caring at the time. i i had knowledge that they were there, but that was limited only to their locations on the screen so i could clik on them. and eventually, i lost that too, since i started losing. the mental images of their shrinking was not registered, so i think. then again, i don't know, it would have been undetectable anyway

Okay, you win. If you say that you can see and interact with things without perceiving them with your brain then I can't disprove that.

[Winchycott]

Bad game and a silly ad

[Pink]

I'm glad that they took the game off the site, but I think it's sad that other people had to point out the offensiveness of the game to them...isn't that a part of their job? They have all those rules about words and things you can and cannot say and they let something like that into the site without a blink? oh well...I'm just glad that they were sensitive enough to respond to the users of the site.

[cslewislover]

I'm glad that they took the game off the site, but I think it's sad that other people had to point out the offensiveness of the game to them...isn't that a part of their job? They have all those rules about words and things you can and cannot say and they let something like that into the site without a blink? oh well...I'm just glad that they were sensitive enough to respond to the users of the site.

Yea, so this thread is probably going to end. I don't think TNT follows its own rules all of the time. Isn't it the Nimmo that is in a eastern religion-type meditation position? They should take the pet off, or allow some religious references on the site (on the private guilds, anyway).

[Pink]

yeah. that's the nimmo, but I never thought of that before...hmmm

[aichmophile]

you can look for other meanings, i'm not against that. and you can talk about what you found to be the hidden meanings, there's nothing wrong with that. but that which you find is always an opinion, unless it is the literal meaning, which is what i took from it. what was being done is that the non-literal inferences are being used as facts (eg. they're telling us to drink the tea since it will make us slimmer and prettier, and that is bad). what i say may seem insane, but it is factual, taken literally from the source.

Actually, what you say is an opinion. You may take the game literally, but that doesn't make your opinion factual. For example, if you take a metaphor literally, that doesn't mean the statement is factually correct. "She's a tea-catching machine!" doesn't mean that she is literally a machine, so taking the "facts" from the literal source is useless. Though I guess it's just my opinion, that could actually mean she is a machine. That catches tea.

I realize, though, that nothing I say will change your opinions and you will continue to complain that women are complaining too much about this. Didn't mean to offend you by being offended.