Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:05 am
I am with the majority here. Keep it, it is yours.
Don't worry about your name being dragged in the mud. The boards are one-hit wonders. No-one will remember who did what tomorrow.
If you see boards with harrassing posts about you, then report as that is not allowed and block anyone who wants to nmail you nasty letters.
Honestly, with a site as big as Neo, you wont be the only one who has been on the winning end of someone else's mistake.
You have done nothing wrong and actually tried to help this person by bringing up the fact it was mispriced.
As also stated before me - there is something certainly strange with the auction - it was suppose to be private and wasn't and it seems too much of a mis-price to be a simple mistake.
Don't worry about your name being dragged in the mud. The boards are one-hit wonders. No-one will remember who did what tomorrow.
If you see boards with harrassing posts about you, then report as that is not allowed and block anyone who wants to nmail you nasty letters.
Honestly, with a site as big as Neo, you wont be the only one who has been on the winning end of someone else's mistake.
You have done nothing wrong and actually tried to help this person by bringing up the fact it was mispriced.
As also stated before me - there is something certainly strange with the auction - it was suppose to be private and wasn't and it seems too much of a mis-price to be a simple mistake.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:22 am
Yep, the sentiment behind "do onto others" and "be nice" is sweet and all, but I'm betting that if the situation were reversed, this person wouldn't do anything nice for you. This is someone who made a huge and very odd pricing error -- not just accidentally leaving off a zero, but like you said, leaving off TWO zeros AND forgetting a 7 -- and who had another person bidding on your supposedly private auction even before realizing the error (not to mention inviting other bidders to raise the price after you nicely pointed out the mistake, instead of trying to work out a deal with you first). Also, you quoted TNT yourself -- if someone misprices an item, that's their mistake and their loss.
And finally, I agree with Daze; the neoboards are so fast-pacd and the people there have such short memories that this won't affect your trades in the future (and of course, many item owners don't even read the stupid neoboards). And on the same note, if you actually did decide to "be nice" and split the profit, no one's gonna remember that either. Keep it and don't feel one tiny bit guilty about it. You didn't scam, you didn't lie, and you didn't cheat to get this item. You bought it fairly and got a good deal (even if it was unintentional), and it's yours.
And finally, I agree with Daze; the neoboards are so fast-pacd and the people there have such short memories that this won't affect your trades in the future (and of course, many item owners don't even read the stupid neoboards). And on the same note, if you actually did decide to "be nice" and split the profit, no one's gonna remember that either. Keep it and don't feel one tiny bit guilty about it. You didn't scam, you didn't lie, and you didn't cheat to get this item. You bought it fairly and got a good deal (even if it was unintentional), and it's yours.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:38 am
So, it was a neofriends only auction then? I rarely ever use the auctions, and haven't used them to sell anything in almost a year, so I'm assuming that's what you mean by private since I can't see any such option. It's possible then that someone on their neofriends list spotted the auction and was trying to take it without them noticing. That would also explain the sudden influx of people bidding to help the seller out. Maybe there's something here about the system I don't understand, but why would you expect someone, regardless of how they made the mistake, not try and lose out over a million np to a perfect stranger?
There's certainly no legal reason why you can't keep it, but I'm a bit surprised at most people's responses. Personally, I would have sold it back to them for whatever I paid and started the auction over again, as long as they hadn't been rude in any neomails. When I've mispriced items, some of the buyers even went so far as to send long condescending neomails to me politely explaining why I should be more careful, even though I'd never spoken with them and asked for whatever back somewhow. I may be a grouchy old fart and an ogre as far as Neopets is concerned, but I at least try my best to not be be a jerk about honest mistakes, no matter how stupid.
There's certainly no legal reason why you can't keep it, but I'm a bit surprised at most people's responses. Personally, I would have sold it back to them for whatever I paid and started the auction over again, as long as they hadn't been rude in any neomails. When I've mispriced items, some of the buyers even went so far as to send long condescending neomails to me politely explaining why I should be more careful, even though I'd never spoken with them and asked for whatever back somewhow. I may be a grouchy old fart and an ogre as far as Neopets is concerned, but I at least try my best to not be be a jerk about honest mistakes, no matter how stupid.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:22 am
I think the curtious thing to do would be make up the difference to the price you agreed on before the mistake. You could say it was his fault, but it really was a mistake, it's not really nice to keep it.
^ what she said.
EDIT: My last remark was a bit out of place, so its gone. I was being a smarty pants, so hugs to Cranberry. I'm sorry.
Huggles wrote:There's certainly no legal reason why you can't keep it, but I'm a bit surprised at most people's responses. Personally, I would have sold it back to them for whatever I paid and started the auction over again, as long as they hadn't been rude in any neomails. When I've mispriced items, some of the buyers even went so far as to send long condescending neomails to me politely explaining why I should be more careful, even though I'd never spoken with them. I may be a grouchy old fart and an ogre as far as Neopets is concerned, but I at least try my best to not be be a jerk about honest mistakes.
^ what she said.
EDIT: My last remark was a bit out of place, so its gone. I was being a smarty pants, so hugs to Cranberry. I'm sorry.
Last edited by Kitten Medli on Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:22 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:36 am
I don't need mini-lectures on kindness, thanks. Despite my occasional sarcastic comments, I'm a nice person -- I won't bother giving any examples of that because I don't feel I need to prove anything, but quite a few people here know it. Based on the context here, I still wouldn't give this person back their item. Am I making a blanket statement like "I'd never give back any mispriced item"? No. But this was a big mistake (two 0s and a 7, people!), a few details sound fishy, and I didn't like the "solution" the seller came up with. So, no. Wouldn't give them another neopoint.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:45 am
Kitten Medli wrote:Cranberry - sometimes people don't learn to be nice to others unless someone shows them kindness first.
Kitten Medli - sometimes people don't learn to not be idiots and how to type numbers unless someone takes advantage of them first.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:48 am
Cranberry wrote:I don't need mini-lectures on kindness, thanks. Despite my occasional sarcastic comments, I'm a nice person -- I won't bother giving any examples of that because I don't feel I need to prove anything, but quite a few people here know it. Based on the context here, I still wouldn't give this person back their item. Am I making a blanket statement like "I'd never give back any mispriced item"? No. But this was a big mistake (two 0s and a 7, people!), a few details sound fishy, and I didn't like the "solution" the seller came up with. So, no. Wouldn't give them another neopoint.
I didn't mean to offend you. Sorry, I guess what I said could sound conceited.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:01 am
It's okay -- no big deal. 
I just think it's easy for people to say oh, give it back, or give half the profit to him... but I wonder how many people would actually want to do it if faced with this situation. I also didn't like how the seller expected JCMidore to sell the item back for the low price and then re-buy it for the full price. It's like... he expected to have no consequences for his own big mistake. Something about that just bugs me.
And like Plagatus said, this will teach him to be more careful in the future! Haven't we all had something like this happen? Just read the Shameful Neomoments thread. It's like a Neopian rite of passage.
I just think it's easy for people to say oh, give it back, or give half the profit to him... but I wonder how many people would actually want to do it if faced with this situation. I also didn't like how the seller expected JCMidore to sell the item back for the low price and then re-buy it for the full price. It's like... he expected to have no consequences for his own big mistake. Something about that just bugs me.
And like Plagatus said, this will teach him to be more careful in the future! Haven't we all had something like this happen? Just read the Shameful Neomoments thread. It's like a Neopian rite of passage.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:15 am
It's a shame, even weighing the guilt versus the potential to either: own something I want, or will help get me for it, I'm starting to side with the latter.
If the price actually had a 7 in it, that'd be one thing.
Agreed was 1,750,000np.
Auction was put up for 10,000np.
Isn't that.. kind of careless?. They still expect me to send back the item to them and pay the full price, not even a discount. They don't sound very appreciative about the idea even if I considered or did it, though.
The fact they invited someone to bid on the item once I told them I'd pay the price really.. annoys me. Again, I can't stress how this was before I pointed out the mistake in the price.
Also; I hate to say it, but the person I outbidded that was randomly added to the auction was advertising they were saving for a Krawk on their lookup. They actually neomailed me asking what price I'd want for it if I were to sell it to them, and when I kindly replied I was still holding it in my storage because "the original owner mispriced s/hes item", they disregarded that fact and said if they had won it they would've used it to get a pet they want.
In short, I wouldn't of been the only one who wanted to keep it.
Two other bidders neomailed me too asking to purchase it, but I responded the same way. Both said they were disapointed in losing, because they wanted to either resell or transform their current pet.
*Edit; To add more to that, I appreciate both of you guys opinions. Cranberry, I have to give you a bow of respect to the fact you're willing to give a flat out responce-- even though it might be taken in a bad light to those more forgiving on the subject.
As far as the "Neopian rite of passage", I unfortunately have had occurrences of mispricing restocked items in my shop. Not that the total loss was greater than 100k or so, but put it this way-- I didn't get it back, and didn't expect to. I took it as a lost, and so far have not mispriced an item since. I'm careful, and thankful I did. It makes me really pay attention now.
But that was still forgetting to add one zero, and not completely misplacing a 7 and two other 0s.
If the price actually had a 7 in it, that'd be one thing.
Agreed was 1,750,000np.
Auction was put up for 10,000np.
Isn't that.. kind of careless?. They still expect me to send back the item to them and pay the full price, not even a discount. They don't sound very appreciative about the idea even if I considered or did it, though.
The fact they invited someone to bid on the item once I told them I'd pay the price really.. annoys me. Again, I can't stress how this was before I pointed out the mistake in the price.
Also; I hate to say it, but the person I outbidded that was randomly added to the auction was advertising they were saving for a Krawk on their lookup. They actually neomailed me asking what price I'd want for it if I were to sell it to them, and when I kindly replied I was still holding it in my storage because "the original owner mispriced s/hes item", they disregarded that fact and said if they had won it they would've used it to get a pet they want.
In short, I wouldn't of been the only one who wanted to keep it.
Two other bidders neomailed me too asking to purchase it, but I responded the same way. Both said they were disapointed in losing, because they wanted to either resell or transform their current pet.
*Edit; To add more to that, I appreciate both of you guys opinions. Cranberry, I have to give you a bow of respect to the fact you're willing to give a flat out responce-- even though it might be taken in a bad light to those more forgiving on the subject.
As far as the "Neopian rite of passage", I unfortunately have had occurrences of mispricing restocked items in my shop. Not that the total loss was greater than 100k or so, but put it this way-- I didn't get it back, and didn't expect to. I took it as a lost, and so far have not mispriced an item since. I'm careful, and thankful I did. It makes me really pay attention now.
But that was still forgetting to add one zero, and not completely misplacing a 7 and two other 0s.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:27 am
Cranberry wrote:I don't need mini-lectures on kindness, thanks. Despite my occasional sarcastic comments, I'm a nice person -- I won't bother giving any examples of that because I don't feel I need to prove anything, but quite a few people here know it.
I'll vouch for you, Cranberry. I may be a newbie here on the PPT boards, but I've done enough browsing around these boards to know that Cranberry is, in fact, a nice, helpful person. ^_^
Just pointing it out.
To JCMidore, I know I sound out of whack, but hear me out on this one. I'm sure you know the saying, "You snooze, you lose." I think that saying, though totally unrelated to your situation, applies quite well. The guy should've been much more careful and shouldn't have let such a HUGE mistake pass him by. Ok...so the saying has nothing to do with your situation. >_< ANYWAY, my opinion? Keep/sell the potion. It's your's. He'll have to deal with it.
If it's too much guilt on your shoulders, though, then go ahead and resell it back to the guy. You never know. He just might reward you back. In an old Greek myth, two Gods (Zeus and another I don't remember...might've been Apollo) disguised themselves as beggars. They went to every house looking for hospitality but everyone rejected them, except for one couple. Because of the couple's kindness, the Gods revealed themselves and rewarded the couple with riches and stuff. It's highly unlikely, but it *might* be a test of kindness. Hahaha ^_^ Yeah, I'm definitely out of whack here. :p
Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:40 am
Honestly, while I think it'd be 'nice' to transfer the rest of the agreed price, no one is under any compulsion to do so. And if people are saying bad things on Neoboards, isn't that harrassment and reportable?
Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:37 am
I'll weigh in on this.
(first, a small story that probably belongs in the "shameful moments" thread)
I've been on the short end of the stick on a "wrong price." I accidently hit "accept trade" when they had offered the price I wanted on something, except they left off a zero at the end.
Was I annoyed, yes.
Did I hope they would return it, yes.
Did I actually expect that it would returned? Nope.
The more annoying thing was that I had lost the user name of the person who bought it. I had closed the tab where I had accepted the offer, so I had no idea who it was. Of course, I found out when I clicked on it that they were just sending me a message saying how dumb I was for accepting their bid without looking carefully at it.
I only tell this story as further proof that everyone makes stupid mistakes. And then they learn from it. I haven't accepted a crap big from the trading post since then.
My advice: Keep it. I agree with Cranberry's initial instinct ... it sounded fishy from the start. Almost like it was some lame scammers attempt at screwing with you. They probably didn't realize that an auction had a maximum increment thing ... and were setting up the auction to try and drive the price above the actual going price. Why else would someone else have bid on it beforehand? It just doesn't sound right.
I don't know if this would work (I don't spend much time in auctions), but if it was a Neofriend only auction, couldn't he have just deleted all his neofriends except one close one? That way, that person would have won the auction and he could just give it back to him.
I believe in fairness. Down with the pseudo-inflators. Down with the stupid WC map piece hoarders. I don't think you are obligated to do anything out of the ordinary, though.
If you really feel super guilty, then here is an option. Just resell it. Take the price you sell it for, and subtract what you paid the other person for it. Then, give the other person some percentage of it (50% could be a reasonable amount). That way you get something out of it, and they get something back as well. If you do this, make sure you subtract out the money you paid him already, though.
Sorry, I've rambled. I hope you come to a peace in whatever you decide to do.
Oh ... P.S. Cranberry is a nice person.
(first, a small story that probably belongs in the "shameful moments" thread)
I've been on the short end of the stick on a "wrong price." I accidently hit "accept trade" when they had offered the price I wanted on something, except they left off a zero at the end.
Was I annoyed, yes.
Did I hope they would return it, yes.
Did I actually expect that it would returned? Nope.
The more annoying thing was that I had lost the user name of the person who bought it. I had closed the tab where I had accepted the offer, so I had no idea who it was. Of course, I found out when I clicked on it that they were just sending me a message saying how dumb I was for accepting their bid without looking carefully at it.
I only tell this story as further proof that everyone makes stupid mistakes. And then they learn from it. I haven't accepted a crap big from the trading post since then.
My advice: Keep it. I agree with Cranberry's initial instinct ... it sounded fishy from the start. Almost like it was some lame scammers attempt at screwing with you. They probably didn't realize that an auction had a maximum increment thing ... and were setting up the auction to try and drive the price above the actual going price. Why else would someone else have bid on it beforehand? It just doesn't sound right.
I don't know if this would work (I don't spend much time in auctions), but if it was a Neofriend only auction, couldn't he have just deleted all his neofriends except one close one? That way, that person would have won the auction and he could just give it back to him.
I believe in fairness. Down with the pseudo-inflators. Down with the stupid WC map piece hoarders. I don't think you are obligated to do anything out of the ordinary, though.
If you really feel super guilty, then here is an option. Just resell it. Take the price you sell it for, and subtract what you paid the other person for it. Then, give the other person some percentage of it (50% could be a reasonable amount). That way you get something out of it, and they get something back as well. If you do this, make sure you subtract out the money you paid him already, though.
Sorry, I've rambled. I hope you come to a peace in whatever you decide to do.
Oh ... P.S. Cranberry is a nice person.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:48 am
all i have to say is... keep it.
im not gunna write a big huge novel on why i think you should, because honestly.. who cares what i think (mwahaha..?) just keep it.
finders keepers
im not gunna write a big huge novel on why i think you should, because honestly.. who cares what i think (mwahaha..?) just keep it.
finders keepers
Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:50 am
Just another little thought - if you still feel guilty, just buy some items from their shop. It might not be a huge amount to spend, but it might help them out.
Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:02 am
You don't need to feel any guilt whatsoever, for reasons others have put very well, especially Cranberry (who is always polite and helpful - didn't know you were so loved, did you, Cran?).
I'll also throw in that I went through a pretty awful episode once where someone dragged my name through the mud, and I got ridiculously bent out of shape over it. And you know what? That person? Is frozen now. And no one but me remembers any of it.
If it were me, I'd stick it in my SDB, ignore any neomails, and sell it in a month or so when the seller has licked his wound and moved on. I feel that way in very large part because of the mass invitations to what should have been a private auction, prefaced by NO attempt to work things out with the agreed buyer. Now, if the seller had sent a very polite email and kept the auction private until he got a response, I would be all over doing something nice. But he didn't and I'm not.
Seriously, don't sweat this.
I'll also throw in that I went through a pretty awful episode once where someone dragged my name through the mud, and I got ridiculously bent out of shape over it. And you know what? That person? Is frozen now. And no one but me remembers any of it.
If it were me, I'd stick it in my SDB, ignore any neomails, and sell it in a month or so when the seller has licked his wound and moved on. I feel that way in very large part because of the mass invitations to what should have been a private auction, prefaced by NO attempt to work things out with the agreed buyer. Now, if the seller had sent a very polite email and kept the auction private until he got a response, I would be all over doing something nice. But he didn't and I'm not.
Seriously, don't sweat this.