Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:02 am
Teelie wrote:I see it now and it is annoying, but not enough to give me a headache, but then I didn't stare for very long either.
Well I guess some people will just react differently and I can imagine being pretty angry if I got a pounding headache or even something worse from it. But I think if you just sat their staring at it you inflicted this upon yourself (which hopefully noone did)
Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:28 am
I admit that I did find the background nauseating due to light sensitivities and adblocked it. I thought I'd call it good at that.... but some of the behavior that has enveloped the subject and the hateful immaturity is SO not PPT!
It is sad that I want to avoid a thread like it's the Neoboards.
It is sad that I want to avoid a thread like it's the Neoboards.
Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:31 am
Another reason to love Adblock. I can block the background from viewing. 
But really, a friendly warning through neomail would've been more polite than to bomb-report the person.
But really, a friendly warning through neomail would've been more polite than to bomb-report the person.
Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:36 am
Friendly requests seem to only have had the effect of the person putting up, with pride, Background by _masta_ on the user lookup.
Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:41 am
yeah i agree
Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:47 am
Cleo_Lo wrote:Friendly requests seem to only have had the effect of the person putting up, with pride, Background by _masta_ on the user lookup.
That was there when I checked.
This person has probably had some nasty nmails and quite rightly feels victimised. This whole situation has become quite surreal.
I understand that certain people may be effected by it but I have never seen such hysteria over a background that by TOS is not illegal.
I am sure TNT will clear his lookup, due to the reporting.
Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:54 am
He was asked, politely by a number of us, to please remove the background, as it was making some people sick. He obviously got our neomails because he later added "made by _masta_" to his lookup. If the person doesn't respond to your requests, then a person has no choice but to go to higher up authorities to have action taken. I don't want his account frozen. I want his background cleared. And even more so, since I pay $70 a year to play Neopets, I would like to be able to play it without getting sick again. Once again, the only way Neo knows that there is stuff on the site making people sick is to tell them. Via the report button. Via phone calls. Via mail.
My stop button doesn't stop a page from loading that quickly. I have a very fast connection. It loaded in a millisecond. And, am I now forced to hit the stop button anytime I go on Neo, for fear that someone else will do this? That's my point here. Maybe Neo should take action, preventative action, to make sure people don't get sick on their site. Just like they now finally have taken preventative action to make sure that a Cookie Grabber can't be coded into a person's lookup/shop/petpage.
Daze, obviously, your epileptic daughter doesn't have photosensitive epilepsy. But, other epileptics did get sick from it. There are many different kinds of epilepsy and many different triggers, just as there are with migraines. She's lucky. Becuase I had planned on a relaxing day of playing Neo and instead I got to puke my guts out, suffer one of the worst migraines I ever had (thank God for Imitrex) and still, hours later, can't focus my eyes too well. And, this is the first and only time that anything on the internet has ever bothered me. I have been online for years--seen flashing ads, flashing backgrounds, etc. without a problem whatsoever. This one is different. Which is everyone's point here.
Once again, I don't want his account frozen. But, I also don't want to have to keep a running list of users' shops that I can't visit due to their epileptic-producing graphics either.
My stop button doesn't stop a page from loading that quickly. I have a very fast connection. It loaded in a millisecond. And, am I now forced to hit the stop button anytime I go on Neo, for fear that someone else will do this? That's my point here. Maybe Neo should take action, preventative action, to make sure people don't get sick on their site. Just like they now finally have taken preventative action to make sure that a Cookie Grabber can't be coded into a person's lookup/shop/petpage.
Daze, obviously, your epileptic daughter doesn't have photosensitive epilepsy. But, other epileptics did get sick from it. There are many different kinds of epilepsy and many different triggers, just as there are with migraines. She's lucky. Becuase I had planned on a relaxing day of playing Neo and instead I got to puke my guts out, suffer one of the worst migraines I ever had (thank God for Imitrex) and still, hours later, can't focus my eyes too well. And, this is the first and only time that anything on the internet has ever bothered me. I have been online for years--seen flashing ads, flashing backgrounds, etc. without a problem whatsoever. This one is different. Which is everyone's point here.
Once again, I don't want his account frozen. But, I also don't want to have to keep a running list of users' shops that I can't visit due to their epileptic-producing graphics either.
Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:04 am
I understand that you were affected and I know that my daughter wasn't.
You pay $70 to play Neo because you want to. You came across 1 user lookup after many 1000s you would have looked at. But it is you that wants someone else to change.
Don't they have the right to have want they want as long as it is with the TOS?
I am sorry you had a bad reaction, but as an epileptic you know you might come across such a site and have a reaction. Just as my daughter knows she cannot go to a nightclub with Strobe lights.
We don't ask for the club to turn off the strobes for my daughter, so she just doesn't go to that club and then complain about having a seizure.
Now that you know that the lookup has such a background, you do not need to go back.
I don't mean to be offensive, but I find that this subject has been blown right out of propotion.
It should have been kept between the person and a nmail. If that was unsatisfactory then a nmail to TNT.
We now have a situation that makes both sides unable to see the other's point of view.
You pay $70 to play Neo because you want to. You came across 1 user lookup after many 1000s you would have looked at. But it is you that wants someone else to change.
Don't they have the right to have want they want as long as it is with the TOS?
I am sorry you had a bad reaction, but as an epileptic you know you might come across such a site and have a reaction. Just as my daughter knows she cannot go to a nightclub with Strobe lights.
We don't ask for the club to turn off the strobes for my daughter, so she just doesn't go to that club and then complain about having a seizure.
Now that you know that the lookup has such a background, you do not need to go back.
I don't mean to be offensive, but I find that this subject has been blown right out of propotion.
It should have been kept between the person and a nmail. If that was unsatisfactory then a nmail to TNT.
We now have a situation that makes both sides unable to see the other's point of view.
Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:25 am
Daze wrote:Don't they have the right to have want they want as long as it is with the TOS?
Ah, yes, the TOS. That's why I am calling Neo tomorrow. So that the TOS gets changed. So, this doesn't happen to others. Because my guess is that Neo doesn't want to lose cash-paying customers and ad revenue to someone with a background that makes people sick. There is absolutely no reason in the world why a person has to have a flashing background on Neopets. Neopets utilizes Flash. And yet none of Neo's flash games, or ads, for that matter, have a flash rate that make people sick. So, obviously they are already aware about flash rate, and have adjusted the flash rate in their games and ads so that they don't make people sick. But, they obviously aren't aware that this could happen with user's backgrounds. And it is time that they were made aware.
Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:35 am
There is absolutely no reason in the world why a person has to have a flashing background on Neopets.
They have a flashing background because they like it, or because they can have it. After all it is a personal thing.
I have seen other flashing backgrounds before - this is not a one off thing.
TNT might clear his lookup but I don't think they will be able to stop people from having such backgrounds.
Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:44 am
Actually, it already is in the Terms and Conditions:
Haha, if TNT can freeze a user for using the word suicide or gay on the guild board, then my guess is that TNT can do just about anything they want to do, if they set their mind to it. Including keep flashing backgrounds off of the site. They already have fixed it to check all coding prior to it being implemented. My guess is that keeping flash out of coding would be an easy fix.
You hereby further agree that you will not upload to, distribute through, or otherwise publish through or in conjunction with the Site, any Postings that are libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, threatening, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, abusive, illegal, or otherwise objectionable, or that would constitute or encourage a criminal offense, violate the rights of any person, or otherwise violate any law or give rise to liability.
TNT might clear his lookup but I don't think they will be able to stop people from having such backgrounds.
Haha, if TNT can freeze a user for using the word suicide or gay on the guild board, then my guess is that TNT can do just about anything they want to do, if they set their mind to it. Including keep flashing backgrounds off of the site. They already have fixed it to check all coding prior to it being implemented. My guess is that keeping flash out of coding would be an easy fix.
Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:59 am
Alright time to make the waters a little less dirty (and thus more clear and safe to play around in... except replace waters with thread)
Please restrain yourselves while you discuss this subject... and keep in mind what you say! Small sparks turn into flames. And when the flames come up, the park has to be shut down. (except replace park with thread)
Got it. Get it? Goood. Otherwise, happy discussing.
Please restrain yourselves while you discuss this subject... and keep in mind what you say! Small sparks turn into flames. And when the flames come up, the park has to be shut down. (except replace park with thread)
Got it. Get it? Goood. Otherwise, happy discussing.
Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:02 am
Daze wrote:Don't they have the right to have want they want as long as it is with the TOS?
Daze, I believe the point is not to get the person in trouble, necessarily, but to bring to TNT's attention that Neopets needs to be changed, so that seizure causing backgrounds are not possible anymore.
Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:08 am
Looks like its been cleared now
Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:11 am
maybe they should change the T&C to stop ppl getting sick