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!! PLEASE do NOT post your star data in this thread. If you do, your entire post WILL be deleted. You've been warned. It stretches out the page for everyone, and that's just not cool.
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WTFAQS (Way Too Frequently Asked Questions/Statements)

Q: I'm new here! I'm not really sure what to do...
A: First, welcome to the PPT forums! I'd strongly suggest you take a look at our General Chat Rules & Strike Policy and Forum Rules. Or, you can ask a mod for help

S: News is out!
A: Good for you. No need to post this, we allow seperate threads to note the new news. We get the idea.

S: There's no link from the last thread to this thread! HELP!
A: ... Right. Although the mods try and keep the threads linked, its inevitable that we might forget once in a while. Here's a trick. The latest thread is usually on top of the Gen Chat. Go back to Gen Chat and do it yourself. Not that hard!

Q: Is there a new constellation out?
Q: Do you know when the next constellation comes out?
Q: WHY ISN'T THERE A NEW CONSTELLATION?! I'M GONIG CRAZY!
S: *whine whine whine whine whine whine whine*...
A: Calm down. If there was a new constellation out, you'd see it here. We don't keep secrets. If someone's found it, then you'd be seeing it. Simple as that. Don't post these either.

S: I can't find my constellation! Help!
A: Hm. First of all, have you used the constellation mapper? Have you used the constellation FINDER? Both of these resources are found in the useful links section. If you've answered NO to either of these questions, DO IT before you ask. If you've answered YES to both of these questions, you didn't follow the steps correctly. Do them again REGARDLESS of whether or not you think you've done all the steps. (So really we shouldn't see any of these )

Q: How do you know the order of the constellations?
A: In the Flash file for the telescope, you can take a look within it (don't ask how, just trust us) and there is a distinct order found in the flash file. It has been right thusfar, and we are confident to say it will be right to the end.

Q: I LOST MY (insert item acquired from the plot) TO THE (insert neopian bad-guy who stole it from you)! WHAT DO I DO?!
A: Alas, it seems there's no way to recover these items. Looks like you're out of luck. I'd suggest next time you put your items straight into your SDB.

Q: I see someone breaking the rules. What do I do?
A: The BEST thing to do would be to PM a Moderator about it. It's our job to deal with it, not YOURS to point it out to the person in public. In fact, by pointing it out, YOU can be in as much trouble too! You have been warned. If it's just someone asking a question answered here, KINDLY post that their question has been answered, and ONLY if you're the first to do so.

S: I don't feel like listening to the rules.
A: Oh. Well there's a way to treat your kind. You may or may not be warned by a mod to stop. Continual offences can cause you to be STRIKED (If you don't know what that means, go back to the first Q). And if it becomes a problem in general, the thread will be CLOSED DOWN permanently.
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Remember: This is a MINI plot and with NO WAR portion.
Let's repeat. MINI PLOT and NO WAR.
One more time. MINI PLOT and NO WAR.
======== Links of interest =========
Altador: http://www.neopets.com/altador/index.phtml?
Clues (by the Lenny): http://www.neopets.com/altador/archives ... lue_list=1
Star Mapper (thanks DarkFire): http://www.boomspeed.com/zaniam/theSky.html & instructions.
Stoodder's Constellation Finder: http://www.ludibrius.com/Neopets/findconst.php
Another Constellation Finder: http://hacks.atrus.org/neopets/findConstellations.fcgi

(Note: Make sure you click CONTINUE (if applicable) when you have completed each part!)

(New Note: The "Add Star" button in the telescope does NOT add a new star to the sky. Instead, it lets you add a star to the constellation you're currently building without drawing a line. This is important to know.)

========= The Beginning ============
1. Click the big castle in the center of the map, The Hall of Heroes
2. In the very back-right corner, you'll see a familiar character. Click him!
3. Hey! It's our old friend again. Looks like he has a new job-- Janitor. Click that button that's next to him.
---> Hm, nothing happened.
4. Oh well, Now click the Altadorian Archives, then go into the doorway on the right.
5. Click the book that is under one of the table legs and balancing it.
---> Hm, we're going to have to replace it...
6. Now go to the QUARRY. And find a rock that'll be suitable. Stumped? Here.
---> Aha! A good replacement for that book...
7. Go back to the Altadorian Archives and click that same book again.
---> We can access the book now! (Located near the top-right part of the scene)
8. You can read the prologue from that book now.
---> Advance a page by clicking the top-right of the book, go back by clicking the top-left.
*** Page 1~3 Acquired! *** (out of 53 pages)
9. Go back to the Janitor in The Hall of Heroes and talk to him.
---> Hmm. We're going to need something to help oil some gears...
10. Click each statue until you find a bottle of oil & a rag.
---> Note: Location is different for each person. Perhaps you should write where you found it, just in case. (Although evidence indicates that it is NOT relevant)
11. Once you've found it, go back to the Janitor and click the button again.
---> The ceiling opens up! Let there be LIGHT!
* On the left side of The Hall of Heroes, there is now a staircase leading up to a dome-shaped room. Looks like a telescope is missing.
* If you click each statue in The Hall of Heroes, on the very top pixels /section of the picture of the statue, you can click and look up, and get some arrangement of gems. There is a helpful compilation of the pictures by soymimi here

======= We see the light =======
1. So it looks like the Astronomy club is finally advertising. Go to the Altador Archives and click the pamphlet that shows a telescope. Or click here!
---> You've recieved a telescope!
2. Go back to the Hall of Heroes and go up the staircase on the left side. Click the telescope holder.
---> It fits! You've found the cinderella! ... Actually I guess you found the slipper... oh whatever.
3. Now for the work. Get to it! Start mapping. By the way, Everyone's star formation is different from another. We can help with details, but you're going to have to interpret on your own from now on!
---> Excellent star mapper courtesy of DarkFire here. Follow the instructions on her post.
---> If you want to map your coordinates yourself in Excel, AngelFoxBlue wrote some pretty clear instructions on doing that here.

===== Constellations: Found! ======
1. THE SLEEPER
--> a. Go to The TOMB (bottom-left corner of the main Altador Map)
On the door of the tomb, the black dots are clickable. Try clicking it.
It lights up
--> b. Go to the Wise Lenny in The Altadorian Archives.
--> c. Go to the observatory and look in your telescope. (At this time use Darkfire's mapper. Any time before this you'll get a different set of stars!)
--> d. Find the exact formation found in part a (the orientation is as seen on the tomb doors-- it is NOT rotated in any way) and you will have found your first constellation! (Important note: You MUST connect the lines rather than just using "Add Star". If you don't, the correct stars can be rejected!)
--> e. After you have found it, go back to the Lenny at the Altadorian Archives.
*** Page 4~7 Acquired! ***
--> f. Go to the Hall of Heroes and click on the DARK FAERIE (the one towards the bottom) and look up. The jewels are illuminated! (And the janitor complains of the light)
--> g. Check in with the Astronomy Club and see what they have to say about your discovery.

2. THE DREAMER
--> a. The top right cloud in Altador is clickable. Do it.
--> b. Near the top part of picture, click on the gaps inbetween the clouds. THis will reveal your new constellation to find.
--> c. Talk to the Lenny again to see what he has to say now
--> d. Go back to the Observatory and look through your telescope.
===> NOTE: Your star map is the SAME as before. HOWEVER, due to star drift, you'll need to get the new updated star data.
===> NOTE: You must connect the "top part" using the *connect stars* option, but to get the lone star you MUST use the *add star* option.
--> e. Once you have obtained your constellation and submitted it, the jewels above The Dreamer (left side) will be illuminated.
--> f. Go back to the Lenny, Astronomy Club, and Janitor to get new messages.
*** Page 8~11 Acquired! ***

3. FIRST TO RISE
--> a. Go back to the tomb (the one from constellation 1). Click the BOTTOM-LEFT corner of the picture. This SHOULD get you to a wide breathtaking view of Altador. (If this does not work, highlight the text above the picture, then click TAB 3 times. THen press enter.)
--> b. Go back to the Hall of Heroes, and click The Dancer (the Cybunny to the LEFT of the King)
--> c. Click the Window that is in view.
--> d. Click the circular pathway, and you'll see the next constellation.
--> e. Go back and talk to the Lenny in the Altador Archives (unnecessary though)
--> f. Return to the Observatory and look for that constellation!
==> NOTE: At this point use the starmapper to get your data. Any mapping BEFORE this time, may cause a DIFFERENT set.
--> g. Once you have found that, go back and talk to the Lenny and Janitor for some nice remarks from them.
*** Page 12~15 Acquired! ***
--> h. If you go to the Astronmy club once again, you'll get an ASTRONOMY BADGE! Yay.

4. THE FARMER
--> a. Go to the FARM. It's on the top center-rightish area of the island on Altador. Or for the lazy, click here.
--> b. Click the DOOR to the windmill (top right area)
--> c. Click the LEVER of the windmill (bottom left area)
--> d. You'll get yelled at, exit by clicking the DOORWAY. (right side)
--> e. Click the mounds of hay to expose your next constellation.
--> f. Go back and talk to the Lenny (if you want, that is)
--> g. Find your constellation by going to the Observatory.
==> NOTE: At this point use the starmapper to get your data. Any mapping BEFORE this time, may cause a DIFFERENT set.
--> h. Go back and talk to the Lenny, Astronomy Club, Janitor to see what they have to say.
*** Page 16~19 Acquired! ***

5. THE DANCER
--> a. Disco Time baby! Uhh. Right. In any case, First go to the ALTADORIAN ARCHIVES.
--> b. There's a new flyer up! It's for the Disco Dance Club! Go in!
--> c. Boogie down. Look at the red light at the top right part of the picture. The upper-left most "dot" in that red light is what you need to click.
--> d. Voila. There's your next constellation to find.
--> e. You can talk to the Lenny again if you wish
--> f. Now go find that constellation.
==> NOTE: At this point use the starmapper to get your data. Any mapping BEFORE this time, may cause a DIFFERENT set.
--> h. Woohoo. Unfortunately, the disco club is now shut down. Poor Janitor... listen to his woes. And the a lil' more info from the Lenny. And again, soap opera central with the Astronomy Club.
*** Page 20~23 Acquired! ***

6. THE WAVE
--> a. Click the dock-like area on the top left area of Altador. (The top-left most boat you can find)
--> b. Click one of the waves that you can find in the water.
--> c. Voila. There's your next constellation.
--> d. Talk to the Lenny to see what he has to say.
--> e. Now go find that constellation in the Observatory.
==> NOTE: At this point use the starmapper to get your data. Any mapping BEFORE this time, may cause a DIFFERENT set.
--> f. Congrats. You've found another one. Go talk to the Lenny and Janitor to get some new tidbits.
*** Page 24~27 Acquired! ***
--> g. But if you go to the Astronomy club, they've given you a present! A Broken Astrolabe.
--> h. Go to Donny (here) and ask him to repair it. You'll get a SHINY ASTROLABE.

7. THE GLADIATOR
--> a. Click on the colosseum. That's the big circular thing right above the Hall of Heroes. Link here.
===> NOTE: The following steps (b~d) are DIFFERENT for everyone. The only way you can get this is by Guess and Check.
--> b. All the doors here are clickable. Click around until you see a Grarrl who asks you to go to the, erm, Punch Club.
--> c. When you find the Grarrl and follow him, you'll be led to a place where you can choose between three bowls of punch. Choose three of them in any order, ie. 1-1-1, 1-2-3, 1-2-2...
--> d. After you register three "punches", check that little golden goblet between bowl #2 and 3. If it's clickable, click it. If it's not, try another sequence.
===> NOTE: It seems at every hour you are KICKED out of the club if you have not found the correct combo yet. You will need to find a way to reenter the Punch club, however the door to see the Grarrl HAS CHANGED.
--> e. On the goblet's page, click the emblem of the sun. Voila, it's another clue!
--> f. Proceed like you normally would. Go to the Lenny Archivist, then go to the observatory.
==> NOTE: At this point use the starmapper to get your data. Any mapping BEFORE this time, may cause a DIFFERENT set.
--> g. And there you go, it's your seventh constellation. Astronomy club wants to overthrow their jealous president, and the janitor is once again mad at you.
*** Page 28-31 Acquired! ***

8. THE COLLECTOR
===> NOTE: These steps vary for everybody. Read through carefully!
--> a. You have to go into one of the four Altadorian shops- Exquisite Ambrosia, Magical Marvels, Legendary Petpets, or Illustrious Armoury.
--> b. Your NP on hand must match the inflation rate at the shop x 100: ie. if Ambrosia has 4.13% inflation, have 413 NP on hand.
--> c. Refresh at the shop with the NP amount. You're looking for one of the following three items: Altadorian Chocolate Coin, Altadorian Coin Purse, Altadorian Scales.
--> d. If after a few refreshes, you don't find it, head on over to another shop and start over from step a. Make sure to adjust your NP amount accordingly, and be careful not to go over your maximum bank withdrawals.
--> e. Once you find one of these items in a shop, click it! You'll find your clue. Head on over to the Archivist or the telescope and get crackin'.
==> NOTE: At this point use the starmapper to get your data. Any mapping BEFORE this time, may cause a DIFFERENT set.
*** Page 32-35 Acquired! ***

9. THE THIEF
10. THE GATHERER
11. THE PROTECTOR
12. THE HUNTER
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Any additions/corrections should be posted here.

How did we find out the order of the next ones? (Or is it just a guess?)

Damn. I was expecting this. Not putting up the remaining ones and Putting them up ends up with the same end result.

I really need to make a FAQ section... I'll invest on that soon.

In any case, to answer your question, there's an order imbedded within the flash file for the telescope. And since it's been correct thusfar, it's reasonably safe to assume that it will be correct til the end.

Normally we keep speculation out of the first post, but it's a decent assumption to make.

I can personally verify the order in the flash file, I do flash work and I've opened the telescope and have seen the order...(it may be time to do a screenie...)

Sorry. Thanks for answering the questions. At least I know now, and maybe a few more will every time you tell someone.

How did you "open" the flash file if it's "protected"

Are there any new indications that a new constellation has been released with the latest news update?

Flash Decompiler, http://www.eltima.com/products/flashdecompiler/

With the free version you can open the file look at the stuff in it, but you cannot save to fla.

Aaah there is an swf converter

Thank you

And Scott... I could see how you predict the thief, but how did you predict the rest after that ? (Or perhaps it's guessing since jerdana and altador must be the two remaining pieces?)

anyway return to topic... things that corresponding to "thief" is a "random event" or "hidden clues" such as source file, that could be bad

Don't be sorry. It's just I was debating whether or not to put it or not. Haha. Clearly my suspicions were correct

I am not going to say there isnt a new constellation. I will say that no one has found a constellation and bragged about it.

i don't get how you find the inflation amount?

edit- oh, never mind. i just had a stroke of stupidity there.

i just want to say thanks to all the mods, especially scottnak, for all their hard work keeping up with all the clues and gazillion posts and splits. this refers also to the LDP(runevalkyrie was tops in this one!)! you guys are great!!

the mods do a great job, didn't they? and so did all the other wonderful contributors who had relentlessly assisted some of us who had trouble finding details

I agree and wanted to say Thank You too. It's really really great that so many of you want to share.