Meerca Brothers HELP!!!

[Johnnydontgo]

*sigh* Ok, some suggestions for me, maybe? Here's my stuff:
Health : 180 / 180
Strength : 88
Defence : 41

I'm using Illusens Earth Potion, lightning scroll, leaf shield, LDD, snowglobe staff, scarab ring, honey potion, and downsize!.

I've hit the strength boost, but not the defense. I'm willing to dump whatever np it takes into weapons, up to a point. I've been training and working on my gallery, so right now I've only got about 50k on hand. I think I've still got my rainbow frost cannon in my SDB, but I could never freeze the henchmen with it, so unequipped. Any suggestion is welcome!

[theonlysaneone]

*sigh* Ok, some suggestions for me, maybe? Here's my stuff:
Health : 180 / 180
Strength : 88
Defence : 41

I'm using Illusens Earth Potion, lightning scroll, leaf shield, LDD, snowglobe staff, scarab ring, honey potion, and downsize!.

I've hit the strength boost, but not the defense. I'm willing to dump whatever np it takes into weapons, up to a point. I've been training and working on my gallery, so right now I've only got about 50k on hand. I think I've still got my rainbow frost cannon in my SDB, but I could never freeze the henchmen with it, so unequipped. Any suggestion is welcome!

Again, you need to use the ultimate DoN strategy to beat them. First turn-Scroll of Freezing and Thick Smoke Bomb. Second turn-Two bombs and Berserk. Third turn-Burrow, Main attack weapons. Fourth turn-Sink, main attack weapons. That should kill them off. If you need it, use a Greater Healing Scroll. You shouldn't need it, though.

[Johnnydontgo]

*sigh* Ok, some suggestions for me, maybe? Here's my stuff:
Health : 180 / 180
Strength : 88
Defence : 41

I'm using Illusens Earth Potion, lightning scroll, leaf shield, LDD, snowglobe staff, scarab ring, honey potion, and downsize!.

I've hit the strength boost, but not the defense. I'm willing to dump whatever np it takes into weapons, up to a point. I've been training and working on my gallery, so right now I've only got about 50k on hand. I think I've still got my rainbow frost cannon in my SDB, but I could never freeze the henchmen with it, so unequipped. Any suggestion is welcome!

Again, you need to use the ultimate DoN strategy to beat them. First turn-Scroll of Freezing and Thick Smoke Bomb. Second turn-Two bombs and Berserk. Third turn-Burrow, Main attack weapons. Fourth turn-Sink, main attack weapons. That should kill them off. If you need it, use a Greater Healing Scroll. You shouldn't need it, though.

Hooray!! A good 100k down the drain (scrolls and muffins and bombs, oh my), but I beat them! But, erm... why didn't I get the avatar? It's not showing up in my drop down list...

EDIT: Aha..ha... I'm an idiot. I got so excited, I forgot you had to go to the defenders page. Oh, I'm totally in your debt, saneone. Thanks so so much!

[theonlysaneone]

*sigh* Ok, some suggestions for me, maybe? Here's my stuff:
Health : 180 / 180
Strength : 88
Defence : 41

I'm using Illusens Earth Potion, lightning scroll, leaf shield, LDD, snowglobe staff, scarab ring, honey potion, and downsize!.

I've hit the strength boost, but not the defense. I'm willing to dump whatever np it takes into weapons, up to a point. I've been training and working on my gallery, so right now I've only got about 50k on hand. I think I've still got my rainbow frost cannon in my SDB, but I could never freeze the henchmen with it, so unequipped. Any suggestion is welcome!

Again, you need to use the ultimate DoN strategy to beat them. First turn-Scroll of Freezing and Thick Smoke Bomb. Second turn-Two bombs and Berserk. Third turn-Burrow, Main attack weapons. Fourth turn-Sink, main attack weapons. That should kill them off. If you need it, use a Greater Healing Scroll. You shouldn't need it, though.

Hooray!! A good 100k down the drain (scrolls and muffins and bombs, oh my), but I beat them! But, erm... why didn't I get the avatar? It's not showing up in my drop down list...

EDIT: Aha..ha... I'm an idiot. I got so excited, I forgot you had to go to the defenders page. Oh, I'm totally in your debt, saneone. Thanks so so much!

Always welcome. You're officially invited to the "had trouble with meerca brothers but will never beat giant ghostkerchief in 100 million years" club.

[Johnnydontgo]

Awesome, do I get a pocket watch with my membership? Yeah, it might be awhile before I'm ready for my next challenge.

[theonlysaneone]

Awesome, do I get a pocket watch with my membership? Yeah, it might be awhile before I'm ready for my next challenge.

Nah, you don't get a pocket watch until Kastraliss. However, you get a cool pen!

[adribaby]

Hi, I am trying to beat the Meerca Henchmen too.

My stats:
HP 138
S 149
D 103
M 54

Weapons:
Honey potion
Scroll of freezing
Kacheek oaken sword
Kacheek life potion
3 water muffins

Also have fiery gaze, diamond dust, and other abilities.

Any suggestions?

[neobeth]

Hi, I am trying to beat the Meerca Henchmen too.

My stats:
HP 138
S 149
D 103
M 54

Weapons:
Honey potion
Scroll of freezing
Kacheek oaken sword
Kacheek life potion
3 water muffins

Also have fiery gaze, diamond dust, and other abilities.

Any suggestions?

This seems to be the way to go.....
Again, you need to use the ultimate DoN strategy to beat them. First turn-Scroll of Freezing and Thick Smoke Bomb. Second turn-Two bombs and Berserk. Third turn-Burrow, Main attack weapons. Fourth turn-Sink, main attack weapons. That should kill them off. If you need it, use a Greater Healing Scroll. You shouldn't need it, though.

I'm trying it as soon as my defence and strength gets to 85

[adribaby]

What would be the main attack weapons I would use?

[adribaby]

Also, what move do you use with the scroll of freezing and thick smoke bomb? Would it be firey gaze, diamond dust, or beserk attack. Sorry for double post, will not do that in the future.

Last edited by adribaby on Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:52 pm, edited 2 times in total.

[Officer 1BDI]

Hi, adribaby. Welcome to PPT. For future reference, you might want to edit your post rather than double post, as the latter tends to clutter the message boards.

I'm not at the Meerca Brothers yet (I'm still on level... 3), but I assume you'd use your most powerful attack move available with the scroll of freezing and the bomb.

[Johnnydontgo]

Your main attack weapons seem to be your sword and the honey potion. Also, if you have it, I'd suggest drain life as the move to use for the first attack. If you don't have that, go ahead and use berserk attack.

[Cranberry]

Also, what move do you use with the scroll of freezing and thick smoke bomb? Would it be firey gaze, diamond dust, or beserk attack.

Not drain life, because it only drains 10% of your opponents' HP (not much, in this case) and it uses 39% of your power, which means if you use it, you will not be able to use both burrow and sink later (they both take a lot of power, too), and you will probably die. You never, EVER want to run out of power completely, because if you do, no abilities work.

Not fiery gaze/diamond dust, because 7/8 and 5/6 of the time (respectively) they do nothing. When they DO work, they will freeze your opponent, but since you're already freezing them with the scroll, that would be pointless.

Not berserk attack, because what it does is multiply the damage you do to your opponent (while also leaving you more open to attack, so their icons do more damage to you as well). Since you're using a freezer and a blocker, you're not doing ANY damage to them, so there's nothing to multiply.

So, I would suggest a species ability. Most species have a six-icon ability (Kacheeks have Kacheek Smile), so go for that. Of course, I don't like this whole strategy at all, because it requires you to use a rather expensive TSB on your first turn -- if I do use those, I like to use them on my last turn so I'm guaranteed a win. On my first turn, it's okay if I take a little damage, as my HP is full and usually my opponent wouldn't be able to kill me in one hit anyway. So my battles (I have the 200 strength boost, 200 HP and have beaten the slug monster, btw) usually look more like this:

1: Freezer (Freezing Potion for me), Downsize! (a must in any set), 6-icon species ability (Lupe Breath)
2: Main attacker* (SoS, in my case), Bomb (Honey Potion), Berserk
3: Main attacker, Secondary attacker* (Wand of Reality), burrow
4: (If needed) Main attacker, secondary attacker, sink (OR a Thick Smoke Bomb if they could potentially kill me, as I don't want a draw)

*If your main/secondary attackers suck (fewer than 9/10 icons), use Water Muffins or some other one-use bomb instead.

It's important to know two things in a fight: approximately how much damage your opponent can do to you, and exactly how much damage you can do to them while they're frozen. Use the IDB damage calculator.

My strategy sometimes changes if the opponent has a full healer like Jade SS, or has a 100% freezer, or if they have something nice like Thyoras Tear that I can steal, or if they are using a mass-icon weapon that I can reflect back at them with a 50% reflector. If they have a Jade, you want to freeze and kill them asap, before they can heal. Sometimes in tough battles I will go for a multi-freeze, using diamond dust on my first turn (along with downsize and the SoS) and withdrawing if it doesn't work. But that's not applicable to the Meerca Bros., so I won't go into it here.

And a final note, now that you've read all this: have 85 strength and a decent amount of HP before even attempting these guys.

[adribaby]

Thanks for your replies.
So for my first hit I would use scroll of freezing, downsize, and kacheek smile.
Second hit -- oaken kacheek sword, honey potion - beserk
Third hit -- leaf shield, oaken kacheek sword - burrow
Fourth hit - leaf shield, oaken kacheek sword - sink

Or should I buy a better attack weapon?

Thanks, Adri

[Cranberry]

Okay, let's see. Oaken Kacheek Sword is a 6-iconer, and Honey Potion does a minimum of 13... so let's say you get unlucky and it does only the min. You'd be doing 19 icons on the frozen opponent. If your stance is berserk, you could do about 86 damage to them. That means you'd still have to knock 89 HP away somehow in the other rounds. I don't think the OKS is going to cut it... and the leaf shield is DEFINITELY not going to cut it, as it's a defensive weapon and does no icons at all. Do you have any kind of weapons budget? Could you get a Scuzzys Comb, or a Pike Pike? They would help you out a lot in the BD.

For this fight, you could try the following:

First hit: scroll of freezing, downsize, kacheek smile
Second hit: water muffin, honey potion, berserk (should do at least 126 damage, leaving them with just 49 hit points)
Third hit: water muffin, water muffin, burrow (they may be dead here)
Fourth hit: oaken kacheek sword, water muffin, sink (OR thick smoke bomb, if you could die)

Eh, this is getting expensive, what with all the water muffins and the thick smoke bomb and whatnot. Do you have a friend who could lend you a better main attacker? Actually, you know what, I have a Ramtors Spellbook I'm not currently using; if you like, you could borrow it for the battle. It would replace the water muffin in rounds three and four, so then you'd just have to buy two (for rounds two and three).