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 Post subject: Re: SPOILER
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:10 am 
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Perhaps I am misunderstanding as I do not have a crystal any longer to check this out, but what good does it do you to see the light on another crystal?


You don't need a crystal (just click on the spot!). I don't have a first crystal any longer either as I have a Mysterious Scroll. It only does the people good that are still in the crystal stages, if what XenaAndGabrielle says is true that you can also use the secondary colors after the c=

What matters is what is BEFORE the c= in the LIGHT ON source code. So, no one has to wait for light cycles any longer. No being a slave to TNT by setting your alarm for some ungodly hour just to progress to the next crystal stage. 0:)


I agree with what supRNurs says... You still need to get the colour sequence once, right? So whenever you got that for the first time, you can just take a screenshot of it, et voila, you never need to visit your lights again, so no need to wait for your lights to be on either... Cause you can't just put in a random light sequence before you actually have received the right one, cause that one obviously won't work...
I do agree that it's just fun to play with :)


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 Post subject: Re: SPOILER
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:12 am 
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anjuna wrote:
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Perhaps I am misunderstanding as I do not have a crystal any longer to check this out, but what good does it do you to see the light on another crystal?


You don't need a crystal (just click on the spot!). I don't have a first crystal any longer either as I have a Mysterious Scroll. It only does the people good that are still in the crystal stages, if what XenaAndGabrielle says is true that you can also use the secondary colors after the c=

What matters is what is BEFORE the c= in the LIGHT ON source code. So, no one has to wait for light cycles any longer. No being a slave to TNT by setting your alarm for some ungodly hour just to progress to the next crystal stage. 0:)


This is where I'm confused: how would you know what to put in after the c= if you haven't seen your light pattern?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:14 am 
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So, I'm hanging out in the scroll repository after getting my scroll, and I decide to go to the Lost Desert Genealogical Histories, Lat through Tep room to see if a hunch that I had works out (I was going to map the room to see if there was all of one particular colour or symbol) when I accidentally clicked on a purple scroll and got the message directing me to go and look at the unsolvable riddle (in the tomb). Since that was a little weird, I clicked on another purple scroll on a different rack in that room and it gave me the same message. At which point I refreshed and it still showed up. So then I start clicking on all of the scrolls and it happens with all 6 or seven that I clicked on. I even changed rooms a few times too, the first part of the message changes each time, but not the part directing me to the unsolvable riddle... Is this happening to anyone else? :x I occasionally have weird things happen on my computer, but this one takes the cake :cry:


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I left the repository and came back in... not sure that was a good idea lol, we will see.


It worked!!

That scroll sure was boring.

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"The solution to the puzzle is thus..." followed by a number of strange diagrams and figures. Somehow, it all makes sense.


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What matters is what is BEFORE the c= in the LIGHT ON source code. So, no one has to wait for light cycles any longer. No being a slave to TNT by setting your alarm for some ungodly hour just to progress to the next crystal stage.


I also fail to see the point in this. The crystal gives you whatever sequence you tell it to. It doesn't give you a sequence that you don't know yet (it won't blast a hole in my wall for me). Unless you already know what sequence you have (in which case the light doesn't help you), going to a lit room does absolutely nothing for you. Although I did get a pretty interesting shot of a crystal reflecting the lights, but no spots showing up on the wall . . . .


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 Post subject: Re: SPOILER
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:18 am 
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supRNurs wrote:
This is where I'm confused: how would you know what to put in after the c= if you haven't seen your light pattern?


Correct. This is only helpful for those that have first gotten their color sequence. Sorry if I wasn't clear before. The point is, the LIGHT IS ALWAYS ON, and if you know your c= then you don't have to be a slave to TNT and set your alarm at some ungoldy hour to wait for an 8 hour cycle to progress to the next stage and get your next crystal. Here is the most bizarre example. No such thing as a BBB first crystal; yet the light is on all the time, from what is before the c=

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Hope that is clear now. Catch up with you guys soon/later. :)

EDIT: And oh yeah: Be sure to click! on the top of the model, it doesn't matter that if you don't have a crystal. Hence my original point that you can even help your friends, if they do not know this and are "waiting for light."


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junepep1, after going to the riddletrap, and maybe before, all scrolls in the repository refer you back to your riddletrap. This makes me think that there is no more left to do in the repository.


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 Post subject: Re: SPOILER
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:23 am 
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anjuna wrote:
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This is where I'm confused: how would you know what to put in after the c= if you haven't seen your light pattern?


Correct. This is only helpful for those that have first gotten their color sequence. Sorry if I wasn't clear before. The point is, the LIGHT IS ALWAYS ON, and if you know your c= then you don't have to be a slave to TNT and set your alarm at some ungoldy hour to wait for an 8 hour cycle to progress to the next stage and get your next crystal. Here is the most bizarre example. No such thing as a BBB first crystal; yet the light is on all the time, from what is before the c=


Hope that is clear now. Catch up with you guys soon/later. :)


It's completely clear what you mean to me, but just wondering... what's the advantage of this over a simple screenshot? ;)


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Sorry if my screenshot is not working? I uploaded it. Does the link not even work?

EDIT: And oh yeah: Be sure to click! on the top of the model, it doesn't matter that if you don't have a crystal. Hence my original point that you can even help your friends, if they do not know this and are "waiting for light."


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 Post subject: Re: SPOILER
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anjuna wrote:
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This is where I'm confused: how would you know what to put in after the c= if you haven't seen your light pattern?


Correct. This is only helpful for those that have first gotten their color sequence. Sorry if I wasn't clear before. The point is, the LIGHT IS ALWAYS ON, and if you know your c= then you don't have to be a slave to TNT and set your alarm at some ungoldy hour to wait for an 8 hour cycle to progress to the next stage and get your next crystal. Here is the most bizarre example. No such thing as a BBB first crystal; yet the light is on all the time, from what is before the c=

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Hope that is clear now. Catch up with you guys soon/later. :)


I'm sorry to keep dragging this out.. but if you already know your pattern (c=) why on earth would you want to set an alarm to see it again?
(Unless what you are saying is that you can input your sequence from your first crystal, then click with the second crystal in inventory and receive the second pattern. This is the part I was saying I can't test for myself, as I have no crystals.)


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supRNurs wrote:
anjuna wrote:
I'm sorry to keep dragging this out.. but if you already know your pattern (c=) why on earth would you want to set an alarm to see it again?
(Unless what you are saying is that you can input your sequence from your first crystal, then click with the second crystal in inventory and receive the second pattern. This is the part I was saying I can't test for myself, as I have no crystals.)


No problem, I see where you misunderstand (I think; either that or I severely misunderstand your misunderstanding; how ironic). :oops:

This is only useful to people that are still obtaining crystals. I don't know where you are at, but if you are done with the crystal stages this information does not apply to you, unless you are helping someone.

You can take that *specific* LIGHT ON link (BEFORE the c=) and put ANY sequence after the c= only for people that are waiting for light, is all. (Hence help a friend, or maybe the mods could put that spoiler in the First Post, since is legit from just checking source code, not cheating, I hope anyway). Hope it's clear now? If not, maybe PM me since I am so bad at posting screenies I am taking up the whole forum pages now. :oops:


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Ajuna, everyone, here's how the model of sakhmet page works:

You get your crystal normally. Once you get your crystal, you go to the room at the right time to find out your sequence of lights. There is NO way to find out your sequence unless you go at the right time.

The flash files themselves are just normal, boring files. They can be loaded at any time, and with any sequence of lights. To TNT, that's fine, because they're just to make things pretty: TNT could have just as well normal text.

The point here is that once you find out your sequence, the files are useless, and you can only find out your sequence at the right time. You can load the files and look at them, but it won't advance you on the plot at all.


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Ajuna, everyone, here's how the model of sakhmet page works:

You get your crystal normally. Once you get your crystal, you go to the room at the right time to find out your sequence of lights. There is NO way to find out your sequence unless you go at the right time.

The flash files themselves are just normal, boring files. They can be loaded at any time, and with any sequence of lights. To TNT, that's fine, because they're just to make things pretty: TNT could have just as well normal text.

The point here is that once you find out your sequence, the files are useless, and you can only find out your sequence at the right time. You can load the files and look at them, but it won't advance you on the plot at all.


That's exactly how I wanted to put it :)


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Ajuna, everyone, here's how the model of sakhmet page works:

You get your crystal normally. Once you get your crystal, you go to the room at the right time to find out your sequence of lights. There is NO way to find out your sequence unless you go at the right time.

The flash files themselves are just normal, boring files. They can be loaded at any time, and with any sequence of lights. To TNT, that's fine, because they're just to make things pretty: TNT could have just as well normal text.

The point here is that once you find out your sequence, the files are useless, and you can only find out your sequence at the right time. You can load the files and look at them, but it won't advance you on the plot at all.


This is true.

The secondary light colors are based off of what your first light colors are, but since two colors can be based off of any first crystal color, you do need to know what the correct squence is for the seconday ones.

Anyways, if my understanding of flash is correct, then the c=<numbers> is a command line argument, and will only affect what the flash displays, opposed to the game (scroll finding) itself.


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 Post subject: Re: SPOILER
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:46 am 
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anjuna wrote:
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I'm sorry to keep dragging this out.. but if you already know your pattern (c=) why on earth would you want to set an alarm to see it again?
(Unless what you are saying is that you can input your sequence from your first crystal, then click with the second crystal in inventory and receive the second pattern. This is the part I was saying I can't test for myself, as I have no crystals.)


No problem, I see where you misunderstand (I think; either that or I severely misunderstand your misunderstanding; how ironic). :oops:

This is only useful to people that are still obtaining crystals. I don't know where you are at, but if you are done with the crystal stages this information does not apply to you, unless you are helping someone.

You can take that *specific* LIGHT ON link (BEFORE the c=) and put ANY sequence after the c= only for people that are waiting for light, is all. (Hence help a friend, or maybe the mods could put that spoiler in the First Post, since is legit from just checking source code, not cheating, I hope anyway). Hope it's clear now? If not, maybe PM me since I am so bad at posting screenies I am taking up the whole forum pages now. :oops:


For someone that is still obtaining crystals, they don't know their code to put behind the c= thing.

Yes, you have posted a light *ON* link. The problem is someone who only has their crystal and has not physically put their crystal in the light ... they can't know the colors of the lights from their crystals.

You "light on" link is basically just a little flash thing to display the colors you tell it. If you don't know what colors to tell it the proper colors to display, it doesn't help.

I agree, it is fun to play with. It is not helpful to people who don't actually know their color sequence, yet.

Take this thought experiment:
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I just went to Mr. Yurble chef, and he gave me my first crystal. I don't know when I'll actually get light in my model room.

I see your spoiler gives me a nice room where the "light" is on all time. GREAT! BUT ... what "code" do I give it? I don't know my code. Where do I find it?

If you have a way of finding your *code* before you have light, then you have stumbled across something. The problem is you can't know your code until you yourself have physically had light.


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