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Anubis, it's not DM's fault that people mindlessly bandwagoned her.


I know. I just think evidence would have been a better approach. Sorry if I sounded rude. Did I sound rude? o_o Sorry.


Ha, don't apologise.

Monique, face it, DM died because she just blamed Bangel for no reason. She basically was telling everyone to vote for her and she knew she was most likely wrong about Dawn being evil.

What's the difference between DM's death and Bangel's death? DM's death actually had reason behind it.

And don't deny that people didn't mindlessly bandwagoned Bangel.


Ammaar I don't know why you insist on arguing with me about this. You know I have this thing about always being right! :P

Now let's discuss this shall we. The only reason DM is dead is becasue people will vote for anyone in order to stay alive. They just don't want the focus to be on themselves, they don't care about the reason and whether it's good or not. You yourself admitted to being one of those people, so just let it go. You're reason for voting for her really wasn't the grestest, and you just did it because she seemed like the simplest vote even though you knew full well that she was good. Now can we please let it go, I'm getting bored with the topic. :zzz: ... see you've made me fall asleep.


The only reason I went after DM was because of the fact she provided NO proof against Bangel. I asked her TWICE and she didn't provide any. That was the reason.

And I knew she might've been good but she was hurting us than helping us. We had to get rid of her.


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I don't really like your concept of the game darling. I must admit though, your plan(or whatever you want to call it) worked beautifully. :roll:

Reminder to the innocent though, for the most part executions are all you have, don't waste your time voting for people just because you think she's "hurting" your side. Who cares?! You have the get rid of the baddies to survive, not the people you know are good but think are an inconvenience.


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I don't really like your concept of the game darling. I must admit though, your plan(or whatever you want to call it) worked beautifully.

Reminder to the innocent though, for the most part executions are all you have, don't waste your time voting for people just because you think she's "hurting" your side. Who cares?! You have the get rid of the baddies to survive, not the people you know are good becasue you think they're an inconvenience.


But if she is starting mindless bandwagons against players in the game, what is the point of her being an innocent? Think about it, what is hurting us the most? Baddies killing us at night or baddies killing us at night AND an innocent leading everyone to vote blindly in the dark?


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I don't really like your concept of the game darling. I must admit though, your plan(or whatever you want to call it) worked beautifully.

Reminder to the innocent though, for the most part executions are all you have, don't waste your time voting for people just because you think she's "hurting" your side. Who cares?! You have the get rid of the baddies to survive, not the people you know are good but think are an inconvenience.


But if she is starting mindless bandwagons against players in the game, what is the point of her being an innocent? Think about it, what is hurting us the most? Baddies killing us at night or baddies killing us at night AND an innocent leading everyone to vote blindly in the dark?


The point is that she's an innocent, and on your side! I just think it's stupid! Seriously though you're missing the point, she didn't lead anyone to vote blindly, she made her vote, and everyone mindlessly followed her. Why is that her fault? People call others evil in this game all the time, I don't know why you picked this situation to make a case out of it.


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I don't really like your concept of the game darling. I must admit though, your plan(or whatever you want to call it) worked beautifully.

Reminder to the innocent though, for the most part executions are all you have, don't waste your time voting for people just because you think she's "hurting" your side. Who cares?! You have the get rid of the baddies to survive, not the people you know are good but think are an inconvenience.


But if she is starting mindless bandwagons against players in the game, what is the point of her being an innocent? Think about it, what is hurting us the most? Baddies killing us at night or baddies killing us at night AND an innocent leading everyone to vote blindly in the dark?


The point is that she's an innocent, and on your side! I just think it's stupid! Seriously though you're missing the point, she didn't lead anyone to vote blindly, she made her vote, and everyone mindlessly followed her. Why is that her fault? People call others evil in this game all the time, I don't know why you picked this situation to make a case out of it.


She did lead everyone to vote for Bangel.

Did you not see the words underneath her vote for Bangel saying "Because she's evil"? And that everyone took her seriously? Even if I considered that she may be telling the truth but I waited for some proof.

The point of voting for someone in this game is to get other's to see your point and vote with you. It's her fault.


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She didn't make people flollow her though. No one waited for an explanation or anything which brings us back to one of my earlier points. People are like you, they don't care who it is as long as it's not them. It's for this reason that you're probably dead in the first place.


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She didn't make people flollow her though. No one waited for an explanation or anything which brings us back to one of my earlier points. People are like you, they don't care who it is as long as it's not them. It's for this reason that you're probably dead in the first place.


Monique, in case you didn't notice, I actually don't care if I die. I actually like it when people question my innocence because it's hilarious. At least to me it is.

And what aren't you getting? She did make people follow her by saying "Bangel is evil", are you blind or is that not a reason that she's giving for voting for Bangel?

Edit: Another fact is I care for who's being voted for. If you actually paid any attention to any of the Werewolf games you'd know that in Alex's game I risked my neck for Matterbug. I thought people were voting for him for stupid reasons and I tried defending him. He died and ended up evil.

Also, I always avoid executions unless we have some proof that someone is evil.

So please, do some research.


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She didn't make people flollow her though. No one waited for an explanation or anything which brings us back to one of my earlier points. People are like you, they don't care who it is as long as it's not them. It's for this reason that you're probably dead in the first place.


Monique, in case you didn't notice, I actually don't care if I die. I actually like it when people question my innocence because it's hilarious. At least to me it is.

And what aren't you getting? She did make people follow her by saying "Bangel is evil", are you blind or is that not a reason that she's giving for voting for Bangel?


Obviously you don't care if you're dead, it's a game. I'm just saying that maybe if you put a little more thought into your actions it wouldn't have happened so soon.

Also, you're the one that kept going on about an explanation and how she didn't give a good enough reason. Now you're saying that she did, she was just wrong and shouldn't do that?! Also, when people want someone specific out and have evidence they campaign for it, and try and get people to listen to them. She just posted her vote, and left it at that. Everyone else drew their own conclusions.

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Edit: Another fact is I care for who's being voted for. If you actually paid any attention to any of the Werewolf games you'd know that in Alex's game I risked my neck for Matterbug. I thought people were voting for him for stupid reasons and I tried defending him. He died and ended up evil.

Also, I always avoid executions unless we have some proof that someone is evil.

So please, do some research.


Excuse me first of all for not remembering every little thing you've said on the thread, next time I'll keep records, or go back a few months just to double check. For the record though, you're the one who never remembers any of this stuff. I remember countless times where I had to remind you of patterns in people's behaviours in this game.
Also, you don't acoid executions unless we have proof. You gave one example, out of how many exuections?! Now you're just saying that, don't make up stuff.


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She didn't make people flollow her though. No one waited for an explanation or anything which brings us back to one of my earlier points. People are like you, they don't care who it is as long as it's not them. It's for this reason that you're probably dead in the first place.


Monique, in case you didn't notice, I actually don't care if I die. I actually like it when people question my innocence because it's hilarious. At least to me it is.

And what aren't you getting? She did make people follow her by saying "Bangel is evil", are you blind or is that not a reason that she's giving for voting for Bangel?


Obviously you don't care if you're dead, it's a game. I'm just saying that maybe if you put a little more thought into your actions it wouldn't have happened so soon.

Also, you're the one that kept going on about an explanation and how she didn't give a good enough reason. Now you're saying that she did, she was just wrong and shouldn't do that?! Also, when people want someone specific out and have evidence they campaign for it, and try and get people to listen to them. She just posted her vote, and left it at that. Everyone else drew their own conclusions.


I said she didn't give a good reason, I said she gave a reason voting for Bangel, was it a good one? I asked her for proof. That's different than reason. She just stated Bangel was evil and that was reason enough for some people to vote for Bangel. Proof is what I wanted.

People drew their own conclusions based on aforementioned vote and "reason".

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Also, you don't acoid executions unless we have proof. You gave one example, out of how many exuections?! Now you're just saying that, don't make up stuff.


The first day of this game. Did I vote? No. Everyone else was random voting but I didn't.

The second day I did vote for someone because he was going to die at night so I figured or at least thought he was a baddie.

Next day, I believe people were voting for Bangel and I didn't vote for anyone.

Fourth day, I died.

And if you do check (I admit, not when I first started playing WW), I did want to have proof for executions. I feel weird if I don't have anything to base my vote on UNLESS I'm accomplishing a goal of some kind which will benefit me in the game.


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I said she didn't give a good reason, I said she gave a reason voting for Bangel, was it a good one? I asked her for proof. That's different than reason. She just stated Bangel was evil and that was reason enough for some people to vote for Bangel. Proof is what I wanted.

People drew their own conclusions based on aforementioned vote and "reason".


The people you speak of reminds me of the Christians who completely misinterpreted Darwin's theory and it's intent, and then of the people in my philosophy class who knew nothing about Evolution, and automatically believed what was "interpreted" from Darwin's theory. Completely ignoring the fact that Darwin himself is a Christian, and that it had nothing to do with what he had discovered.

Okay so you probably don't understand my referenece, I just thought it was interesting. Now Ammer, you didn't get your proof because DM didn't have any. I know you didn't vote for Bangel and blindly follow DM. You did however make this into this huge thing that it's not. This happens all the time in werewolf where accusations are made, why is this time so special?

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I'm not attacking you! Stop getting so defensive! This has nothing to do with you and the way you play the game. Well except for the one reference, but that was just to make a point. Seriously, if you're taking this the way I think you're taking this, then I'm just going to stop because it's not something worth getting worked up over.


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Monique wrote:
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I said she didn't give a good reason, I said she gave a reason voting for Bangel, was it a good one? I asked her for proof. That's different than reason. She just stated Bangel was evil and that was reason enough for some people to vote for Bangel. Proof is what I wanted.

People drew their own conclusions based on aforementioned vote and "reason".


The people you speak of reminds me of the Christians who completely misinterpreted Darwin's theory and it's intent, and then of the people in my philosophy class who knew nothing about Evolution, and automatically believed what was "interpreted" from Darwin's theory. Completely ignoring the fact that Darwin himself is a Christian, and that it had nothing to do with what he had discovered.


According to my philosophy teacher, he wasn't very religious. But I do understand what you mean. But Darwin's theory wasn't created to contradict religion, it wasn't meant to tear down any basis of God. In this case, DM's sole purpose was to get Bangel killed.

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Okay so you probably don't understand my referenece, I just thought it was interesting. Now Ammer, you didn't get your proof because DM didn't have any. I know you didn't vote for Bangel and blindly follow DM. You did however make this into this huge thing that it's not. This happens all the time in werewolf where accusations are made, why is this time so special


It's only "so special" this time because you agree so heavily with DM while I don't. And face it, we're both trying to convince each other that we're in fact right.

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I'm not attacking you! Stop getting so defensive! This has nothing to do with you and the way you play the game. Well except for the one reference, but that was just to make a point. Seriously, if you're taking this the way I think you're taking this, then I'm just going to stop because it's not something worth getting worked up over.


Nah, I'm not getting offended by anything you're saying. I think it's pretty neat what we're doing. Debating is fun.


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Except for the fact that I actually am right! :P Seriously though, this is going no where, so can we please just stop.

On a side note, do you know anything about evolution?


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Erm... I don't plan on reading most of this (too stinking late), so I'll make it short by saying:

Bangel was executed for a horrible reason.
DM was also executed for a horrible reason.

How people interpret what is up to them I guess, but when it's boiled down, they were both bad executions (luckily DM used her last show I guess.)


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Except for the fact that I actually am right! :P Seriously though, this is going no where, so can we please just stop.

On a side note, do you know anything about evolution?


Oh, but it's fun!

On evolution, I do know some information but in all honesty, I refuse to be swayed by my biased Philosophy teacher.

Edit: Well I'm actually being kicked off the computer so this debate (Monique, if you choose to continue it) will continue when I come back!


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Erm... I don't plan on reading most of this (too stinking late), so I'll make it short by saying:

Bangel was executed for a horrible reason.
DM was also executed for a horrible reason.

How people interpret what is up to them I guess, but when it's boiled down, they were both bad executions (luckily DM used her last show I guess.)


XD We dropped it Kugetsu. This is just me and Ammer, being, well, me and Ammer.

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Hm... then I went against my new rule. You really should learn about it though, even if you don't beleive in the theory, it's absolutely fascinating.


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