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Not taking sides here, but i will like to point out that when one received a very angry mail, it's understandable the person will respond in kind. And in the mail, you actually say "Don't try and deny it sinceI have been told by a reliable source" How is Sylence supposed to respond when it seems that YOu have made up your mind about the issue?

Where ever place the person mention that Sylence is trying to sell your account, it's best the both of you take a look. Hope the two of you can calm down and solve the matter.

True, and I admitted that my mail was perhaps badly worded, but I was ticked off and being bombarded with mail from every side, as well as dealing with a computer which was crashing every 2 minutes. No excuse for not considering that some people are snesitive, I know, but meh.

However, I think it's unfair that Im being judged on what I said in a neomail which has been posted up here behind my back when I was respectful enough to not do the same to sylence (added to which, how do you guys know that mail hasn't been tweeked? It hasn't, I'll tell you that much, but it could have been and you all would have been prepared to hang me on that, Im sure, without any proof). I could easily have posted her mail to me up here and you'd see how she was anything but friendly too, but I refuse to do that. I think it's wrong.

Also remember that as far as Im concerned, nothing has been cleared up.
I still don't know wether she was trying to sell my account or not. For all I know, and yes, for all YOU know, she could have been.
You all seem to have decided she's innocent based on the fact that she's your friend, theres nothing else TO base it on. Thats all very well and good but remember, no one really knows. I certainly don't. And I don't believe or disbelieve her. Both options seem entirely plausible to me.
I have nothing against her as a person right now because I don't know wether what she's accused of is true. I just wish things would have been cleared up over neomail rather than dragged out onto a forum that sylence maybe assumed I wouldn't come on or see. I feel like Im back at school and people whisper behind each other's backs or go running to their social group for support when someone upsets them but you only ever hear their side of things.

I feel slightly disrespected that rather than mailing me further, even if they initially had to be nasty mails, to clear it up, sylence came on here and essentially blabbed about me behind my back, giving only her view and making me out to look like the big bad wolf. Sure, I got the chance to defend myself because someone alerted me to this thread.
But if they hadn't, you'd all still be sitting her forming opinions on me without ever hearing my side of things. I still don't know why sylence thought her questions would be answered better here by people this has nothing to do with than by mailing me directly but *shrug*
And people saying things like 'it's sad when you have to turn off neomails' etc, as if Im some sort of stupid harrassing newbie and the plague of neopia. You certainly are quick to judge here, some of you.

Had we exchanged further mails, I can guaruntee you this would have been sorted out by now. I don't like to drag this crap out, who does? and in actual fact, prior to being blocked by her, I was going to reply asking her if she knew the username in question and wether she had someone out to get her. I never had the chance to do that. Thats what bothers me.
Anyone here who knows me (that'll be just huggles then probably) would likely testify that I am firm with my words. I don't suagr coat. More senstive people fairly often get upset by my words online but if you know me, you know that Im not getting personal, I just don't like to mess about. If something needs to be said, say it outright.

Again, I don't really know where this thread is expected to go.
Without proof either way, Im never to know wether sylence did infact do what she's accused of. And if no-one will ever know then how can this ever be resolved?
Sylence, you say you don't really want an apology, and thats good because Im not giving one untill I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you didn't do it. Even if I found out that you didn't do it, I still don't think I should apologise for trying to protect my account. Others would have done the same. And really, all I did 'wrong' was that my mail was a little too harsh, I did nothing more. You, however, actually reported me, endangering my account. I feel I might even be owed an apology for this blatant over-reaction.
I will apologise for the wording of my mail if it upset you and will make you feel better, though I generally despise having to apologise for my feelings.
And Im not petty enough to demand an apology from you for your words or your blocking and refusing to sort this out. It doesn't worry me. Water off a duck's back. If I hadn't seen this thread, I'd have forgotten about the whole thing! But the fact that you put my account in danger by reporting me for something I view as really not report-worthy bothers me a lot.

But if this thread is to become nothing more than a 'we know sylence so we'll back her up regardless, we don't know you so we'll all judge and flame you' type thing, then I have no time for it. I know it's natural, it happens on all forums and I've even done it before, but I don't want to be involved in it if it happens here. Im happy to converse with sylence over PM or neomail if she unblocks it, but really, I think we're the only two people who should be involved in this matter.
Getting others involved, particularly biased folk, is looking a little too much like a witch hunt to me and I won't be a part of it.

Thanks.

I am not a big PPTer, I never will be. I post tips and tricks, I offer help with avis and what not, nothing more really. I post here because clearly the neopetys boards are nothing but an Ice Rink waiting to happen. and I am not about to go post there have my words twisted and contorted and have my beloved Ixi taken away from me.

If you honestly beleive these words someone has said then indeed I am sorry for I have never said them, but then just like the words you read from those strangers, so to you could be my apology as just words, though indeed it is sincere, sincere for the simple fact you are upset, and were misled, and got embroilled in an entanglement.. I am not the first person to though, receive a mail like that I probably wont be the last, and I've had 2 friends in the last year iced for that kinda thing when they didnt do a thing, heck they werent even on neo at the time, they were away on an ice skating trip. Sad but true.

All neo needs to do is get word of scam, sell, and words like that and it can red flag if you do nothing hence I did report, and I did explain my side of the story, as they can easily verify I dont neoboard or neomail unless its for monthly tourney or my own members all of whom I have known almost a year and those I havent at least 6 months.

I am hoping Neo will do nothing to either of us as I think its likely someone jealous of the fact they dont have the pets we have in fact how do we even know its not the same person with mopre then one account, you are allowed one main and 4 multis I beleive it is, for shops and gallery display what nots.

Once more I would offer you this apology, because the more I read, despite badly being worded I think you were duped out even more then I was and its not a pleasant feeling.
and I do thank PPT for being here to give me a bit of back support, because well those kinda neomails can be very very scary, and the last thing anyone wants to do is risk their account.

Gina/Sy

Thankyou, thats cool.

By chance, do you know anyone with darigan in their username, who is currently using that evil scorchio avatar, who might have it in for you? I can't remember the name of the other person, but one of them I certainly remember as having that av and that word in their username.

I don't chat on the boards either for the same reason, and I'd only ever recieved one mail like this before in the entire four years I've been playing.
I guess theres always the chance that someone could have a username similar to yours, sylencedark (without the E) for example, and he could have meant them instead.

This whole scenario is typical of the type of things happening on Neopets more and more as a result of so many "unsavory" types on the site. Their behavior creates fear and causes feelings of distrust and suspicion among all the players. What has happened between you two is sad because you both obviously have worked very hard to get what you have. It's easy now in hindsight to say that one or the other of you should have done something differently, but I think everyone will have to admit that in the same situation, they might have done the same thing. Neomail isn't the best means of communication, especially when you are upset and dealing with someone you don't know. I know I have said things in the heat of the moment that, though not offensive in any way, could have been worded better.

Personally, I haven't seen anything in this thread that is proof of anything. I don't think anyone has really jumped in to defend Sylence as being innocent as much as just offering advice. I also don't see it as going behind the back of SicPuppy for Sylence to post here. Sylence came looking for advice in a situation that bothered her. To me, that is what belonging to a forum or guild is for. A place to go to discuss issues you have to deal with. I have done the same thing many times myself, even posting neomails I have gotten. That isn't going behind the persons back, it is showing what was actually said and not my interpretation of what was said. Many times I have had others point out a view I overlooked to something that was written.

It's impossible to know for certain what has happened here. It could be any number of things. One thing is certain. It has caused two people to have hard feelings about each other by two other people that no one seems to know. For all anyone knows the other two know each other and have set this in motion for some agenda of their own. I've had scams pulled on me where one player backs another up as a good friend and later found they didn't really know each other at all. Person #2 had befriended person #1 because they were convinced person #1 had been wronged by me only later to find out that person #1 had wronged me with the help of person #2. I even have a neomail from person #2 apologizing for their part when they realized what had happened.

It's sad that a game as engrossing and fun as Neopets has become such a suspicious place to play. If only there were a way to be able to tell who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. *sigh* Unfortunately, there isn't and won't ever be so we all just have to do our best to protect ourselves which is exactly what I think has happened here. SicPuppy felt threatened and to all appearances had proof and acted on that proof. Sylence felt threatened and reacted. Neither one is right or wrong in my opinion. Harsh words were exchanged, but words are just words. Being reported, however unfortunate, will not put an account in "ice". In fact, SicPuppy could have copied the emails accusing Sylence and included them in a report to TNT without writing Sylence at all, which is probably what I would have done or recommended had it been SicPuppy to post here instead of Sylence.

I think it is best now for everyone to just move on and let it go. This forum is a place Sylence feels safe to come with her problems. It can be a safe place for SicPuppy as well. The truth of the matter is, none of us know one another very well, if at all, but this is the type of place where over time that changes and friendships and trust develop.

unless it was dariganrules

something or other with numbers then no. He is a 15/16 year old we ejected from the guild becaue he was continually trying to coerce us into letting him run guild shops and then keeping all of the proceeds and what not, also was harassing members and that kinda unsavoury business we simply can not allow or tolerate as it gives off a bad taste to the others.

At least we are making progress though and I am sorry if My mail sounded a bit harsh I was upset just as you were and I think had we tried to talk this out originally it might have worked a lot better

Sy

Geesh, I thought I wrote a lot.

From reading this, it seems that someone had it out for Sylence and told SicPuppy lies and had another friend do the same to get revenge/be mean/get her frozen. SicPuppy fell for it.

SicPuppy, unless you know for a fact that something is true, it is best not to accuse someone to doing something wrong. Especially if you don't even know the people who told you about it. You don't know Sylence--but we here at PPT do and she is a very sweet person who is obviously extremely upset and worried about her account getting frozen. Particularly after reading your neomail.

You might also consider the fact that those two people were the same person under two different accounts, with different info on the userlookup perhaps. It isn't uncommon for someone to change their country or what not to get rid of the bottom ads, perhaps this person did this and then used the differences to their advantage.

SicPuppy fell for it.

Once again, I must remind you that you are nothing to do with this situation. You don't know one way or the other wether sylence did this or not. All you have is her word to go on. I was told she did, by two different people who, to me, seemed completely unrelated to one another and typed in differing styles, so what was I supposed to think? Am I wrong for worrying about my account? I am not telepathic. Two people tell me my account is at risk, having just won the pet spotlight Im aware that more people are noticing my account so this is more likely, and I acted to find out if it were true.. You're telling me you wouldn't have been the same?

SicPuppy, unless you know for a fact that something is true, it is best not to accuse someone to doing something wrong.

Similarly, unless you know for a FACT that something ISN'T true, it's best not to blindly defend, isn't it? I will NEVER know wether it's true, no one here will, including you. Like I've already said, if I had been allowed to mail sylence further, it would have probably become more apparent that there'd been a misunderstanding and things would've been cleared up. As it was, I sent an angry mail, I recieved an equally angry one in return and I was blocked. I think we're both as bad as each other, don't you?

You don't know Sylence--but we here at PPT do and she is a very sweet person who is obviously extremely upset and worried about her account getting frozen. Particularly after reading your neomail

This is the bit that bothers me the most.
The fact that you know sylence online doesn't mean she's any more or less likely to be guilty. I don't care if you know her or not, you don't know the truth in this issue so stop acting like you do. She might be the nicest person in the world, that doesn't change the fact that you don't know for sure whether she's innocent or not. For all you know, she may well be guilty. Not saying she is, but you are acting as if it MUST all be a lie just because sylence is your friend.
The only person who knows wether or not this went on for sure is sylence, and it's up to you from then on wether you believe her or not. Im edging more toward beleving it after this thread, but still, no one can be sure. Including you.
Also, sylence is NOT the one who was reported. I was. If anyone has to worry about their account out of the two of us, it's probably me since I've had a report filed against me, sylence has not.
The conclusion is that we were BOTH in the wrong in this situation, me for not wording my initial neomail more delicately, and sylence for blocking communication on the subject and taking it up with people it has nothing to do with. Im happy with the way sylence and I have worked this out, we've both admitted to our mistakes and accepted one another's apologies. What more do you want?

Read my posts, please. I've stated that Im well aware that the posters here would side with her, but Im not here to be preached at by you people and I WILL NOT sit here and listen to 'she's so lovely, you're so mean!' whines. I don't know her, true, but do you know me? Oh, no, you don't do you. I was protecting my account, and account that has millions of NP invested into it (and as all my income comes from games, you can imagine how long that took) and the only thing Im guilty of is not being more friendly with my initial mail. I think even sylence accepts that.
I feel that this is pretty much over now. Both me and her have apologised for the mistakes we BOTH made. It's nothing to do with anyone else here.

thanks so much My PPT family for the kind wrds and encouragement, the more I think the more I think it is this punk I kicked fmr my guild for scamming and harassing people and I'd not put it above someone to be that level of vindictive.. find someone with nice pets..t ry to ingraciate yerself under a diff id in their guild.. send some neomails under another account.. who knows -sigh-

can you remember this guys name? I don't remember it exactly, but it's one of those times where if I heard it again I'd be able to say 'yep, thats the one!'

I may be a little late in this conversation, but I believe that Sylence was more within her right to report for that neomail, and well within her right to block neomails as well. Many times you hear horror stories of people getting frozen because of neomails such as that, and it is truely just easier to block the conversation than to agitate it more through neomail. I'm not saying your mean, or a horrible person, but I would have done more investigation into the claim that people made to you.

And in my opinion, if you no longer wanted other people to comment on this, the thread would be locked and you would be talking in PM, as you would have done to begin with.

I'm not saying your mean, or a horrible person, but I would have done more investigation into the claim that people made to you.
What do you think I intended to do by mailing her? Im starting to wonder if anyone is actually reading my posts, as I've already said that had I been allowed to mail her, this whole thing would've been resolved and this thread would'nt even exist. I wanted to find out what the hell was going on, and that was denyed me by the fact that communication was cut.

And in my opinion, if you no longer wanted other people to comment on this, the thread would be locked and you would be talking in PM, as you would have done to begin with

I can't lock threads, now can I? I'd be quite happy for it to be locked, actually. And the sole reason I am posting here is to let people see the other side of the story and defending myself against biased accusations made toward me by you lovely ppt people. I would not have talked in pm to 'begin with' as you say because I do not frequent this forum anymore and didn't know sylence even posted here. It took her making this thread and me being alerted to it by a friend before I even knew she was here. So how exactly could I take it to pm from the start if I didn't know sylence was here and had no way to PM her? Do you not think it would've been better for us BOTH if we'd sorted it out over neomail the day it happened? I certainly do, then none of this would need to exist.
If you'll notice, sylence and I are actually generally ok with one another now. The only reason Im forced to still post is in response to people outside of the situation who don't even have anything to do with it, not to sylence. I've said all I can to her, and Im sure she's said all she can to me. It's time for other people to butt out now, don't you think?

I never said that you knew she was here to begin with. But once you were alerted, wouldn't it have made more sense to PM her? But it is obvious to me that you seem to be concered about what people whom you don't even know nor should even care about are saying about you.

I would have done the same thing as she did in this situation, because you never know what's going to happen. Just because you would have tried to resolve it, doesn't mean that Joe Schmoe wouldn't harass to the point of tears.

But it is obvious to me that you seem to be concered about what people whom you don't even know nor should even care about are saying about you.

I wouldn't probably have bothered to reply here if it weren't for the fact that my neopets username was posted up along with my neomail. This takes things out of the context of a silly little forum and off into Neopets itself, which is where I go to have fun and not deal with this sort of thing. I wanted to set things straight for people here before they decided to bring this argument back onto neo and mail my account, you KNOW how some people are. Had my username not been posted, I probably would have taken it to pm and remained happily annonymous.
But I can almost guaruntee that if I'd not publicly set things straight here for you people, I'd have a couple of mails in my inbox now regarding this subject.
Also, call it a character flaw if you will, but I don't like it when only one side of an argument is presented and the topic is dicussed when only one side is present.

Just because you would have tried to resolve it, doesn't mean that Joe Schmoe wouldn't harass to the point of tears.
Don't I know it. I've had my fair share of harrassing mails on neopets, but I generally wait to see if the person is truely a moron before I block. I would not block someone on one mail alone, especially if it was obvious to me there'd been a misunderstanding. I'd want to set them straight as much as I could, not to mention find out the name of the person who was spreading crap about me.
But like I said, this really is pointless because me and sylence seem to have resolved it as much as it's ever going to be and this is all for the benefit of everyone else who, frankly, this has nothing to do with.

Can we get this locked or something?