What? How'd that happen?

[Medusa]

So, Medusa, why do you prefer IE? I have always wondered wat people who make a conscious decision about web programs and chooses Microsoft.

I've always had problems with pages showing up in Firefox and I have found that there seems to be a greater delay in the pages starting to load in Firefox than in IE. I want to do things, I want to do things fast and I want to be able to see them in the best condition - IE allows me to do that, Firefox I've found I can't work as well with.

Yes, I know Firefox is, in many ways, better equipped than IE but considering most people on the Internet don't know how to utilise this with respect to the pages they construct it is a useless quality for the most part. I usually try and ensure that any page I make works in both IE and Firefox however not everyone is like me.

Other than that, you could say I'm adverse to change. I started with IE, I know IE, I'll probably stick with IE. Another example is I'm not a Google-r because I know Yahoo better. I prefer to use the things I know how to work to their full potential rather than having to use something but not being able to get the most out of it. Yes, I could probably learn but that takes time and considering IE at current suffices why should I worry?

That basically means that you are average-user... and don't get me wrong, I certainly don't mean that in a bad way. The average-user is the person that uses things because they work. He or she isn't looking for ways to make better what he or she can already do fairly well.

The problem is... there is a lot yet to come in the world of computers that most people have no clue about. I won't bother you with all of thechnogical jargon, but if you want to have any privacy (or any rights, for that matter) in the future, I would sincerely suggest that you started getting your feet wet on Firefox and maybe, someday, on Linux.

No, I'm not talking about conspirancies and Matrix. I'm talking about reality.

Its not only my "issues" that keep me away from Firefox, as I stated in my previous post, "Yes, I know Firefox is, in many ways, better equipped than IE but considering most people on the Internet don't know how to utilise this with respect to the pages they construct it is a useless quality for the most part. I usually try and ensure that any page I make works in both IE and Firefox however not everyone is like me." I suppose being an "average" user with respect to a Browser I barely use is still a good thing. You make it sound like I won't understand all the "thechnogical jargon", chances are, I will. I just can't do the practical respect, I'd probably blow up a computer if I tried to fix it I for one (and I'd like to know how many people you think do), don't currently have time to sit at home and learn about computers, browsers, the internet, etc beyond what I already know, when the need arises or when I have plenty of time and nothing to do I'm sure I'll get around to it.

[Morningstar]

So, Medusa, why do you prefer IE? I have always wondered wat people who make a conscious decision about web programs and chooses Microsoft.

I've always had problems with pages showing up in Firefox and I have found that there seems to be a greater delay in the pages starting to load in Firefox than in IE. I want to do things, I want to do things fast and I want to be able to see them in the best condition - IE allows me to do that, Firefox I've found I can't work as well with.

Yes, I know Firefox is, in many ways, better equipped than IE but considering most people on the Internet don't know how to utilise this with respect to the pages they construct it is a useless quality for the most part. I usually try and ensure that any page I make works in both IE and Firefox however not everyone is like me.

Other than that, you could say I'm adverse to change. I started with IE, I know IE, I'll probably stick with IE. Another example is I'm not a Google-r because I know Yahoo better. I prefer to use the things I know how to work to their full potential rather than having to use something but not being able to get the most out of it. Yes, I could probably learn but that takes time and considering IE at current suffices why should I worry?

That basically means that you are average-user... and don't get me wrong, I certainly don't mean that in a bad way. The average-user is the person that uses things because they work. He or she isn't looking for ways to make better what he or she can already do fairly well.

The problem is... there is a lot yet to come in the world of computers that most people have no clue about. I won't bother you with all of thechnogical jargon, but if you want to have any privacy (or any rights, for that matter) in the future, I would sincerely suggest that you started getting your feet wet on Firefox and maybe, someday, on Linux.

No, I'm not talking about conspirancies and Matrix. I'm talking about reality.

Its not only my "issues" that keep me away from Firefox, as I stated in my previous post, "Yes, I know Firefox is, in many ways, better equipped than IE but considering most people on the Internet don't know how to utilise this with respect to the pages they construct it is a useless quality for the most part. I usually try and ensure that any page I make works in both IE and Firefox however not everyone is like me." I suppose being an "average" user with respect to a Browser I barely use is still a good thing. You make it sound like I won't understand all the "thechnogical jargon", chances are, I will. I just can't do the practical respect, I'd probably blow up a computer if I tried to fix it I for one (and I'd like to know how many people you think do), don't currently have time to sit at home and learn about computers, browsers, the internet, etc beyond what I already know, when the need arises or when I have plenty of time and nothing to do I'm sure I'll get around to it.

Medusa, I just had to say that I feel the same way as you. I have tried Firefox and don't like it because the pages seemed to take forever to load.

Like you, I "grew up" on IE and am comfortable enough with IE to deal with it--whatever its downsides might be. Kind of like people trying to get me to switch from Jif Peanut Butter to some other kind. I kind Jif, I have no real problem with Jif, I know Jif has more sugar than brand lalala, but I don't care. I am sticking with Jif. End of story.

[OmniIcyshelf]

Moms like you choose Jif O_O

Yes, I was initially reluctant to switch from IE. Some pages on Firefox lag even though the images have already been loaded. Bleh. Well, after a few more versions of FireFox, I think it'll be good enough to get the majority of people to stop using IE. Peanut butter doesn't have software versions, upgrades, and add-ons

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[FlareEyes]

So, Medusa, why do you prefer IE? I have always wondered wat people who make a conscious decision about web programs and chooses Microsoft.

I've always had problems with pages showing up in Firefox and I have found that there seems to be a greater delay in the pages starting to load in Firefox than in IE. I want to do things, I want to do things fast and I want to be able to see them in the best condition - IE allows me to do that, Firefox I've found I can't work as well with.

Yes, I know Firefox is, in many ways, better equipped than IE but considering most people on the Internet don't know how to utilise this with respect to the pages they construct it is a useless quality for the most part. I usually try and ensure that any page I make works in both IE and Firefox however not everyone is like me.

Other than that, you could say I'm adverse to change. I started with IE, I know IE, I'll probably stick with IE. Another example is I'm not a Google-r because I know Yahoo better. I prefer to use the things I know how to work to their full potential rather than having to use something but not being able to get the most out of it. Yes, I could probably learn but that takes time and considering IE at current suffices why should I worry?

That basically means that you are average-user... and don't get me wrong, I certainly don't mean that in a bad way. The average-user is the person that uses things because they work. He or she isn't looking for ways to make better what he or she can already do fairly well.

The problem is... there is a lot yet to come in the world of computers that most people have no clue about. I won't bother you with all of thechnogical jargon, but if you want to have any privacy (or any rights, for that matter) in the future, I would sincerely suggest that you started getting your feet wet on Firefox and maybe, someday, on Linux.

No, I'm not talking about conspirancies and Matrix. I'm talking about reality.

Its not only my "issues" that keep me away from Firefox, as I stated in my previous post, "Yes, I know Firefox is, in many ways, better equipped than IE but considering most people on the Internet don't know how to utilise this with respect to the pages they construct it is a useless quality for the most part. I usually try and ensure that any page I make works in both IE and Firefox however not everyone is like me." I suppose being an "average" user with respect to a Browser I barely use is still a good thing. You make it sound like I won't understand all the "thechnogical jargon", chances are, I will. I just can't do the practical respect, I'd probably blow up a computer if I tried to fix it I for one (and I'd like to know how many people you think do), don't currently have time to sit at home and learn about computers, browsers, the internet, etc beyond what I already know, when the need arises or when I have plenty of time and nothing to do I'm sure I'll get around to it.

Palladium, the Fritz chip and, most importantly, TCPA. Here's a link: http://www.againsttcpa.com/

I won't say a lot more, since it appears that you don't care about this subject, and that's perfectly understandable. However: I for one (and I'd like to know how many people you think do) don't currently have time to sit at home and learn about computers (...) I will try not to be sarcatic about your comment (as it is sarcastic in itself, this being a forum about a colorful on-line game and everything) and give you the simple answer: there's nothing to "learn". Firefox is install-and-go and people make a big deal out of installing and running Linux because they won't dedicate half-an-hour a day (yes, that's how much time you need in order to learn most things a standard user needs to know) to learn a bit about how a less GUI-based OS works.

You've taken everything I said personally, so just forget about all of this. This is a technical, not an emotional subject.

Regards.

[bgryph]

Also make sure you are careful with the out of neo sites you visit...could have cookie grabbers so change your password often and delete your cookies

Or simply use Firefox and avoid all cookie grabbers automatically. Much more intelligent, yes?

Does it really? How does it do that? Is there a setting I have to change or does it do it automatically?

Personally, I'm a long-time IE user who installed Firefox on my home computer when Neopets started the banner ads, and have been perfectly content. I do (sometimes) miss the fact that IE loads the current page and broswer history (so you can still use the back button) when it opens a new window, whereas Firefox doesn't do so when opening a new tab. (Aside: is there a way to get Firefox to do that?).

But even aside from ad-blocking (bottom banner? what bottom banner?) and (reputedly) better security, Firefox just has so many thoughtful little features. I love the search toolbar in the corner and the fact that you can install new engines that people have written into it. The "find text" interface is marvelous and so much better than IE's it isn't even funny.

And I absolutely adore the fact that somehow, Firefox seems to keep track of how often you visit various pages and takes that into account when it suggests possible completions to the URL you enter in the address bar. For example, if I start to type http://www.comics.com in my address bar in IE, it drops down a list of the comics.com URLS I've visted in alphabetical order. This means the list is so clogged with pages on that site I've only visited once -- archives of a strip, strips I read once and never looked at again, etc. -- that it's essentially useless. Firefox somehow knows not to display all those sites and mostly just pops up the ones I visit most -- ie, the current strip of the strips I read. Dunno if there's a way to make IE do it, too, but Firefox does it automatically and it's appreciated.

Come to think of it, I haven't looked, but I bet Firefox stores its bookmarks like Netscape did rather than the bizarre way IE does... in Netscape you could easily move your bookmarks from one computer to another by copying a single file. In IE AFAIK it's impossible to move favorites between computers at all, since I think they're partially stored in the registry (!).

The only real downside so far -- HatIC only sometimes loads for me in Firefox, whereas I never have a problem in IE.

Ahem. I'm not actually trying to convert anyone. If you're happy with IE and willing to accept that it may have potential security holes, then by all means stay with it. I only changed because of the Neopets ads.

Though I'm not sure I understand the implication that Firefox would be too complicated or time-consuming to learn to use. It's just a browser. It has a lot of nifty features and extra downloads you can tweak it with if you want to, but it comes ready-to-use "out of the box", is a super-easy install, and imports all your IE favorites automatically. Fundamentally it works the same way IE does: click on a bookmark, enter a URL, hit the "back" and "forward" buttons as necessary. It's not computer science. ;-)

[IcyBlue]

I must say, that I'm an IE lover too. I tried Firefox, but I hate it. I can never get used to the tabs, and half the time, it doesn't load the page entirely, which really bothers me. Until the makers of Firefox can produce something better than what there is now that fixes the bug like parts of the page not loading, I'm sticking with IE.

Plus, the internet favors IE. A good webmaster will make something that is cross-browser compatible, but in reality, a large majority of websites are nothing but IE compatible.

Also, a "cookie grabber" note. If the cookies are being stored in some folder/directory on your computer, they can be grabbed. Yes, most Spyware/Cookie Grabbers/Viruses are written to work in IE, not Firefox. Just give it a year or so, and the internet will be just as dangerous, if not more, for Firefox users.

[OmniIcyshelf]

Also, a "cookie grabber" note. If the cookies are being stored in some folder/directory on your computer, they can be grabbed. Yes, most Spyware/Cookie Grabbers/Viruses are written to work in IE, not Firefox. Just give it a year or so, and the internet will be just as dangerous, if not more, for Firefox users.

For every new exploit, someone will make an update to protect the user from it. You only see Microsoft's service packs once in a blue moon.

[Butterflyhornet]

Those of you using firefox, how are you getting it to block ads?

Mine doesn't do it automatically. In fact it makes things worse by loading the ads over key places in the page such as the reply button or the search button.

(Unless there is something wrong with the mac version?)


As for IE, I'm very used to it too. I've found Zone Alarm and Spyblocker, and spybot search and destroy block out most of the ads on neopets.

I also am trying to learn how to use opera.

[IcyBlue]

Also, a "cookie grabber" note. If the cookies are being stored in some folder/directory on your computer, they can be grabbed. Yes, most Spyware/Cookie Grabbers/Viruses are written to work in IE, not Firefox. Just give it a year or so, and the internet will be just as dangerous, if not more, for Firefox users.

For every new exploit, someone will make an update to protect the user from it. You only see Microsoft's service packs once in a blue moon.

Yes, but fixes for exploits aren't predicted beforehand. So, lots of people can still be affected before a fix is issued.

[Chrisodeo]

I must say, that I'm an IE lover too. I tried Firefox, but I hate it. I can never get used to the tabs, and half the time, it doesn't load the page entirely, which really bothers me. Until the makers of Firefox can produce something better than what there is now that fixes the bug like parts of the page not loading, I'm sticking with IE.

I've been using Firefox since version 0.8, and I've had no page loading problems whatsoever since updating to 1.0 - none at all. I don't even use the tabs; I don't really see the point. Why have a tab when you can open and close a new window just as easily? But anyway...

I absolutely love the extensions and themes you can use with Firefox. Stuff like AdBlock keeps me sane and free from ads, stuff like ChatZilla and DeepestSender keep me updated with IRC (chat) and LiveJournal, and there's even some entertaining extensions like Tetris. How can you not like Tetris? I won't even start on all the fun themes you can apply. IE never had themes, so I think I'm going a little overboard on that one. Finally, the communists use IE. Do you really want to be like the communists?

[FlareEyes]

Does it really? How does it do that? Is there a setting I have to change or does it do it automatically?

Firefox doesn't have a "technology" called ActiveX, which is only present in IE. It's incredibly flexible, I'll give Microsoft the credit for that, but it has a little problem though: it allows direct access to your computer, since IE is integrated in your operational system. Since Firefox has nothing to do with your OS, no program can directly touch anything other than Firefox, unless you actually tell Firefox to download a malicious extenion. However, to avoid problems with new users, the Firefox developers just coded a protection system which only allows you to download extensions from 100% trusted sites. When you become a little more "power", you can add new sites to the list, if needed. Well, the point being, ActiveX allows malicious people to do an awful load of things. There was this exploit which was (surprisingly) quickly fixed by Microsoft, but it allowed somebody to "soft" format your HD by visiting their site. Fun, eh? (for the incredulous, search for this on Google. It was exposed to the public by an old deeveloper from ID Games or Ionstorm... I don't remeber)

This denies some methods of data-gathering already, but with other options such as "Cokies: from originating site only", you are pretty much set.

Finally, the communists use IE. Do you really want to be like the communists?

Some people might. When you are advertising something, never exclude people, even if they are a minory.

[OmniIcyshelf]

Also, a "cookie grabber" note. If the cookies are being stored in some folder/directory on your computer, they can be grabbed. Yes, most Spyware/Cookie Grabbers/Viruses are written to work in IE, not Firefox. Just give it a year or so, and the internet will be just as dangerous, if not more, for Firefox users.

For every new exploit, someone will make an update to protect the user from it. You only see Microsoft's service packs once in a blue moon.

Yes, but fixes for exploits aren't predicted beforehand. So, lots of people can still be affected before a fix is issued.

But you don't have to wait more than a couple weeks- with IE, there can be security loopholes that go unnoticed by Microsoft for months.

[Butterflyhornet]

Will someone answer my question?

How do I set firefox to block ads? I am getting this and it is extrememly annoying, besides the point that the page bounces around whenever I refresh:

[bgryph]

Will someone answer my question?

How do I set firefox to block ads? I am getting this and it is extrememly annoying, besides the point that the page bounces around whenever I refresh:

You need to download Adblock here.

[Butterflyhornet]

How much will it take out of 250 mb?

That's all I'm alowed to store.