Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:08 am
Can anyone confirm what time the ABers seem to come online? At least for Bakery (my main restock). Stupid ABers 
But you know what, I have a few friends who cheat or scam on other games (Runescape and Kings of Chaos). They're both good people, just fed up with not being able to do well, or bored with playing legitly.
My friend who scams on Runescape, he does it for thrills. He does not care for his account(s), but he belives that if you're stupid enough to fall for a scam, you don't deserve to be rich and have good items, etc.
My friend who cheats on Kings of Chaos has 5 accounts. If you've ever played the game, you'd know that you're only allowed to have ONE account, full stop. He has 4 side accounts, and 1 main account, and he uses his spares to gain more gold and get higher up in the game. when I told him off for it (since him and me were having a contest to see who could do the best), he said it wasn't cheating, but being smart (he never did read the Terms and Condititons).
Another friend of mine (who I forgot to meantion) cheated on Neo. He knew he was cheating, but he didn't use it so much to his advantage. He was only ever logged into one account per day, and quite often played on each of those accounts as if they were his main. He had like 10 accounts, and restocked, played games, did dailies, whatever, on every single one of them. Only 1 of those accounts has been frozen thus far. He said that in total all his accounts have a net value of around 25 million NP.
What I believe happens is that cheaters are mostly people like friend B here, who believe that they're being 'smart', and not cheating. They almost seem to turn a blind eye to those anti-autobuyer warnings. And when their accounts are frozen, they're generally peeved off, and don't know why.
Other people cheat because they lost an account unfairly and want to get back TNT, without truely realising that TNT don't give a rat's bare behind about what they do. The only people they hurt are the other players, and the only reason TNT put in these anti-autobuyer security patch thingymabobies is so that they don't recieve so many angry letters. Thats usually what it boils down to. Every person subconsciously does not want to be hated or treated unfairly. Same goes for cheaters and TNT. Cheaters may have had some kind of bad experience, and want to vent it out. TNT don't want to be hated by their players, so they put in these anti-autobuyer procedures.
And other people just cheat for the thrill of it, becuase playing fairly may be boring to them. It's this group of people that annoy me most. The first group is plain ignorant, the second group are venting off anger and frustration, but this group is just a plain bunch of jerks. Kudos if they manage to change, but if they don't then I truely dislike their actions.
My friend, although he cheats, does not actually hurt anyone. He tried out an ABer once, but after getting the item, he didn't feel proud of his 'achievement' and so got rid of the program just like that. He was frozen too, but it didn't really bother him that much, and he accepted that he had done wrong. The way he plays now is unfair, true, but he doesn't wish to make a big name for himself, and so does not really hurt anyone. I don't like what he does, but he doesn't really use it as that much of an advantage as such, other than playing a game 5 times instead of 3, but thats not so bad really (compared to using a program).
Blah, now I'm getting off topic, so I'd better stop while I'm ahead.
But you know what, I have a few friends who cheat or scam on other games (Runescape and Kings of Chaos). They're both good people, just fed up with not being able to do well, or bored with playing legitly.
My friend who scams on Runescape, he does it for thrills. He does not care for his account(s), but he belives that if you're stupid enough to fall for a scam, you don't deserve to be rich and have good items, etc.
My friend who cheats on Kings of Chaos has 5 accounts. If you've ever played the game, you'd know that you're only allowed to have ONE account, full stop. He has 4 side accounts, and 1 main account, and he uses his spares to gain more gold and get higher up in the game. when I told him off for it (since him and me were having a contest to see who could do the best), he said it wasn't cheating, but being smart (he never did read the Terms and Condititons).
Another friend of mine (who I forgot to meantion) cheated on Neo. He knew he was cheating, but he didn't use it so much to his advantage. He was only ever logged into one account per day, and quite often played on each of those accounts as if they were his main. He had like 10 accounts, and restocked, played games, did dailies, whatever, on every single one of them. Only 1 of those accounts has been frozen thus far. He said that in total all his accounts have a net value of around 25 million NP.
What I believe happens is that cheaters are mostly people like friend B here, who believe that they're being 'smart', and not cheating. They almost seem to turn a blind eye to those anti-autobuyer warnings. And when their accounts are frozen, they're generally peeved off, and don't know why.
Other people cheat because they lost an account unfairly and want to get back TNT, without truely realising that TNT don't give a rat's bare behind about what they do. The only people they hurt are the other players, and the only reason TNT put in these anti-autobuyer security patch thingymabobies is so that they don't recieve so many angry letters. Thats usually what it boils down to. Every person subconsciously does not want to be hated or treated unfairly. Same goes for cheaters and TNT. Cheaters may have had some kind of bad experience, and want to vent it out. TNT don't want to be hated by their players, so they put in these anti-autobuyer procedures.
And other people just cheat for the thrill of it, becuase playing fairly may be boring to them. It's this group of people that annoy me most. The first group is plain ignorant, the second group are venting off anger and frustration, but this group is just a plain bunch of jerks. Kudos if they manage to change, but if they don't then I truely dislike their actions.
My friend, although he cheats, does not actually hurt anyone. He tried out an ABer once, but after getting the item, he didn't feel proud of his 'achievement' and so got rid of the program just like that. He was frozen too, but it didn't really bother him that much, and he accepted that he had done wrong. The way he plays now is unfair, true, but he doesn't wish to make a big name for himself, and so does not really hurt anyone. I don't like what he does, but he doesn't really use it as that much of an advantage as such, other than playing a game 5 times instead of 3, but thats not so bad really (compared to using a program).
Blah, now I'm getting off topic, so I'd better stop while I'm ahead.
Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:08 am
Like i said.. theyre all over, your never gonna go to a shop without one in there.
Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:56 am
So how many people do you guys think are on PPT and use autobuyers?
Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:53 am
Zenial wrote:So how many people do you guys think are on PPT and use autobuyers?
wow I would hope none, but I imagine there are a couple of lurkers who are giggling at this topic. I wouldnt like to say that any of the actual ppters (by which I mean registered and active) would stoop so low, mainly because they have seen time and time again how us honest players are missing out. So I would hope that they would feel too guilty to cheat. Of course I am probably wrong!
Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:39 pm
See, I just don't see it in the bakery. I've yet to not be able to at least get to the haggle pages, and I almost always make at least a 5k profit on each thing I get.
AND I'M HORRIBLE AT RESTOCKING!
I've never been a good restocker, and if I can get things, I just don't see evidence of it in the Bakery...
AND I'M HORRIBLE AT RESTOCKING!
I've never been a good restocker, and if I can get things, I just don't see evidence of it in the Bakery...
Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:49 pm
meowth1982 wrote:See, I just don't see it in the bakery. I've yet to not be able to at least get to the haggle pages, and I almost always make at least a 5k profit on each thing I get.
AND I'M HORRIBLE AT RESTOCKING!
I've never been a good restocker, and if I can get things, I just don't see evidence of it in the Bakery...
Exactly. I just went back to the bakery since the items inflated. I would say I'm a decent restocker, and I can still get 3-4 items per stock at the bakery. And still manage to get haggle on a few others.
I just don't think there are ABs are in the bakery. Not many at least.
Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:22 pm
I only really restock at the toy shop...I'm no good with more than one shop at once. Anyway, I'm not saying I'm great, but I'm half decent at restocking and when you can't get to the haggle page, it is a good sign of an ABer, just because I know somepeople are fast, but noone can do that in a half a second 
Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:49 pm
teh0mega wrote:Other people cheat because they lost an account unfairly and want to get back TNT, without truely realising that TNT don't give a rat's bare behind about what they do.
That's how I felt... I used an ABer because TNT unfairly froze me before... Then TNT froze me again, and reality set in. TNT is in control, and there's only so much you can do.
Zenial wrote:So how many people do you guys think are on PPT and use autobuyers?
It's always possible... I was on PPT when I was using an ABer so who's to say someone else isn't?
Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:40 pm
Sorry to bring this back up, but just so everyone knows --
A majority of the autobuyer users cannot use it right now.. a very popular AB is not working correctly. Therefore, now's the best time to restock.
A majority of the autobuyer users cannot use it right now.. a very popular AB is not working correctly. Therefore, now's the best time to restock.
Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:42 pm
I was wondering why I could actually get something for once I thought there mightnt be many people online but now I learn 
Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:58 pm
That's funny -- I just missed 3 MP's in a row.. which is like a record. Maybe another one got released.. theres no way it could be fault on my part - I am god.
Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:30 am
Ghhh... I see something in stock with 30, and then after i click. Woosh. Too late.
Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:32 am
try getting something when theres only 1 or 2 there VERY hard...fast typers I dont know? 