HW Plot Part: Sophie's Lab

[atomicblonde]

Hmph. I'm workingon the spectral essence. I have composite #2 done on the third step and it really wasn't that bad. I think I was lucky.

http://petpages.neopets.com/~SierraSea

That petpage is pretty good for those still struggling. I did it a different way than that, but her way will work too.

[Daze]

Please someone help me!

I'm desparate. I don't understand any of this. I've read though all of the thread and the walk though, but it might as well be in a foreign language. I don't understand math. AT ALL. I'm so upset! I really don't want to have to give up on this plot, but I simply can't do this! D:

I'm stuck on the first one. My requirements were:
Quantity: 5 grams
Relevant property: Conjuring
Target value: +69 +/- 5

So I had 5 grams of Bagguss Pulp, and I got conjuring to +64, threw it in the caulren and I got the bubbling black goo of doom. What am I doing wrong?

It looks like you did everything right, not too sure what happened.

I am stunned when it comes to math and stuff like this,,


I need to get the target value to 40 and I have 4 ingredients

they are at 27, 39, 10 and 42...

I have no idea when to combine them so they will equal 40...can anyone help me out (and speak slow and stuff cause I dont get the letters with the * sign or anything like that, wonder how I ever graduated High school without knowing this crap)

As long as the average of the ingredients is 40 +/-

Then you can add them to the cauldron.

Average - add all values then divide the total by the number of ingredients.

yours is 27+39+10+42=118

118/4=39 (118 divided by 4)

You are within the correct value. It will work.

[Gabby]

Well I woke up and thought I'd see if we got past the fighting stage and yes we have lol I managed to do the first level and got the hairless meowclops but Im stuck on the level 2 Ive read everything and its just not making sense to me....
I picked Leafy slorgblossom Got 10g and a 6g but it takes both Conjuring AND Enchantment up together is this supposed to happen??
This is what I need

Composite #1:

Quantity: 16 grams
Relevant property: Conjuring
Target value: +45 +/- 5

Composite #2:

Quantity: 25 grams
Relevant property: Enchantment
Target value: +87 +/- 5

Composite 2 cannot contain more than 10 grams of any one basic ingredient.

Maybe Im looking at it wrong and making it twice as hard but its just not sinking in at all

I would work with 2 separate ingredients for #1. You do need to work with 3 separate ingredients in #2.

You only work towards the value of the TARGET Property for that composition.

You make #1 first - don't put it in the cauldron.
Make #2 - getting the right value for it's property (Enchantment).

When you have #1 and #2 done, put both in cauldron.


All properties of the ingredients will rise and fall, but you are only looking for the value of one.

So do I ignore the fact that while Im working on composite #1 the Enchantments going up and just keep fiddling till both the 10g and 6g of my ingrediant goes upto 45 on the Conjuring? I really do appreciate the help but its like a foreign language lol

[Daze]

So do I ignore the fact that while Im working on composite #1 the Enchantments going up and just keep fiddling till both the 10g and 6g of my ingrediant goes upto 45 on the Conjuring? I really do appreciate the help but its like a foreign language lol

Yes, that is right.


That is why there is a thing called Relevant property that tells you what you need for that composition.


Quantity: 12 grams ( How much you need for the composition).

Relevant property: Divination (What property you need to increase).

Target value: +80 +/- 3 (The amount that the property needs to increase to).

Last edited by Daze on Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[Gabby]

So do I ignore the fact that while Im working on composite #1 the Enchantments going up and just keep fiddling till both the 10g and 6g of my ingrediant goes upto 45 on the Conjuring? I really do appreciate the help but its like a foreign language lol

Yes, that is right.


That is why there is a thing called Relevant property that tells you what you need for that composition.

Thankyou lol I finally understand something

[happytin]

Meer: No idea whatsoever! Sorry I know that isn't useful at all. Try it again, make sure you've got absolutely everything right, create the composite and see what happens again.

Squidling : Okay don't panic. The last method shown, the one with 4a+4b etc is the easiest way I've found so far.

It's not just the value of each ingredient that matters, it's also the WEIGHT of each ingredient.

So, with yours...if you have the total weight needed, you can find out what all your values need to come to by:

40 X target weight

This is what everything needs to add up to at the end.

Now what you need to do is select your ingedients. If you're doing the first level you only need ONE ingredient and just fiddle until you get to the right value (in this case 40)

If you're on the second level, you will need different weights of ingredient. Once you have selected them (try to use small amounts as it makes it a bit easier and faster), you need to fiddle with each one so that the TOTAL is that bit you originally worked out.

So...say your target weight is 25

40 X 25 = 1000

Because the WEIGHT of each ingredient affects its magic value, you have to take that into account when fiddling.

So say you decide to use

8 ingredient a
8 ingredient b
4 ingredient c
5 ingredient d

FOR EXAMPLE

The total 1000 will be

8a+8b+4c+5d

Take ingredient a and fiddle with it to as high a level as possible, say you end up with 60.

that's now (8X60)+8b+4c+5d=1000

move the (8X60) to the other side so:
8b+4c+5d=520

Now take ingredient b and fiddle with that to say 50 and bung it in to the composite.

you now have

(8X50)+4c+5d=520

4c+5d=120

Divide 120 by 9 (total weight of ingredients left) and you get 13.3 so you know that your values need to be somewhere around that.

So you take ingredient c and fiddle it to 15

(4X15)+5d=120
5d=60

Take ingredient d and fiddle it to 12, because this is the value you need to finish it all off. 60/5=12

Bung it together and you get the right amount.

It doesn't have to be an exact science and you don't have a set thing to start out with. It's just a case of taking away each ingredient once you've finished with it, seeing what's left and adjusting the remaining things to suit it.

If you're still stuck then PM me and I'll help you really really slowly with it I promise.

Thanks to wesoloid for helping me understand!


EDIT: Man that took me so long to write out that I find it's all sorted and happy! Shucks, I'll leave this here for anyone who needs talking through it though.

Last edited by happytin on Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[Squidling]

I am stunned when it comes to math and stuff like this,,


I need to get the target value to 40 and I have 4 ingredients

they are at 27, 39, 10 and 42...

I have no idea when to combine them so they will equal 40...can anyone help me out (and speak slow and stuff cause I dont get the letters with the * sign or anything like that, wonder how I ever graduated High school without knowing this crap)

As long as the average of the ingredients is 40 +/-

Then you can add them to the cauldron.

Average - add all values then divide the total by the number of ingredients.

yours is 27+39+10+42=118

118/4=39 (118 divided by 4)

You are within the correct value. It will work.

it only went to 30 when i combined them

[spoonguardonline]

But 118/4 is 29, not 39... so you need a little bit more on one of your ingredients.

[happytin]

It's the weight of each ingredient. Take a look at what I posted above then PM me if you still don't understand and we'll go through it nice and slow.

[edhriel]

okay, obviously I've misunderstood *something*.

I had to get the following:

Composite #1:

Quantity: 5 grams
Relevant property: Conjuring
Target value: +54 +/- 5

and I had these composites:


Miscellaneous Composition

Quantity: 1 gram
Conjuring: +108


Miscellaneous Composition

Quantity: 2 grams
Conjuring: +108


Miscellaneous Composition

Quantity: 2 grams
Conjuring: +78



1 + 2 + 2 grams = 5grams. I thought I was good there.

then 108 + 108 + 78 = 294, which when divided by 5 gives 58.8, which is within 54 plus or minus 5.

Why did I get the black goo?

[happytin]

5X54= 270

This is your target total.

You did...

(1x108)+(2X108)+(2X78)

which equals...480

EDIT:

Id say that for the first level just use ONE ingredient. Take 5mg of that one ingredient and poke it until it's the right amount.

Last edited by happytin on Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[Daze]

I am stunned when it comes to math and stuff like this,,


I need to get the target value to 40 and I have 4 ingredients

they are at 27, 39, 10 and 42...

I have no idea when to combine them so they will equal 40...can anyone help me out (and speak slow and stuff cause I dont get the letters with the * sign or anything like that, wonder how I ever graduated High school without knowing this crap)

As long as the average of the ingredients is 40 +/-

Then you can add them to the cauldron.

Average - add all values then divide the total by the number of ingredients.

yours is 27+39+10+42=118

118/4=39 (118 divided by 4)

You are within the correct value. It will work.

it only went to 30 when i combined them

I am so sorry - I only divided by 3 not 4.

It is 1.30 am, I am too tired to think straight - I shouldn't be trying to help people.

I am really sorry.

I think I will go to bed now, so I don't mess anyone else up.

[edhriel]

5X54= 270

This is your target total.

You did...

(1x108)+(2X108)+(2X78)

which equals...480

EDIT:

Id say that for the first level just use ONE ingredient. Take 5mg of that one ingredient and poke it until it's the right amount.

okay. I get it. I somehow absolutely missed the concept that each composite was listed per gram, rather than in total.

THANK YOU!!

[Daze]

5X54= 270

This is your target total.

You did...

(1x108)+(2X108)+(2X78)

which equals...480

EDIT:

Id say that for the first level just use ONE ingredient. Take 5mg of that one ingredient and poke it until it's the right amount.

okay. I get it. I somehow absolutely missed the concept that each composite was listed per gram, rather than in total.

THANK YOU!!

Actually it would have worked if you divided by 3 (the amount of ingredients) not by 5 (the amount of grams).


AVERAGE - add all values of your Relevant Property to get a total, then divide total by the number of ingredients used.


108+108+78=294
294/3=98

You were over by a long way.

It has nothing to do with the weight.

Last edited by Daze on Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[Squidling]

Got 35 for my first composite (had to get 40 )

so now onto composite 2


For step 2 I wait till I have both compostites before adding them to the cauldron right?