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I probably failed it. Some of those questiones were wicked hard.

What are we supposed to do with the identification code? Every time I enter it, I get a message that says I've already taken the test.

I have a feeling Ron (or another one of the Weasleys) may die.

JK Rowling will have to face my wrath, if he does.

What about Draco? I think he's on the goodie's side now. Well, he's getting there, at least.

AND SNAPE IS NOT EVIL.

Lexxia, you'll need to enter your ID when the door reopens. (It's closed now.)

Draco... hmm. Well, he knows who he can trust, and that group consists solely of Severus Snape, so to some extent, Draco's allegiance depends on Snape's. He wouldn't be eager to return to the Death Eaters, but he'd be rather wary of leaving them, especially considering that the one who offered him sanctuary is now dead. But that conversation is bound to ring in his mind even so. Draco may also perversely resent Snape for "stealing his glory." In short, he's totally up in the air.

Okay, Snape? Always eager for a Snape debate.

So, this plot between Dumbledore and Snape?

On the one hand, The Only One He Ever Feared dies/has no time to set his affairs in order; the Order can't recruit anyone except maybe the six underagers who went to 12GP; Hogwarts is at the mercy of those spineless, cowardly school governors; there is a tremendous blow to morale; and the entire Order is virulently against Snape, particularly Hagrid, who is bound to try something stupid, and I'm worried.

On the other hand, Snape is alive to do what he can, bearing in mind that Voldemort trusts no one (or if he does trust, Dumbledore doesn't think he does) and that the Order hates him. Oh, and Draco is alive, but not remotely safe from death or becoming a murderer.

Cool, thanks for the help.

I'm of two minds about Snape. On one hand, Avada Kedavra is a you-gotta-mean-it-for-it-to-work spell; but yet Dumbledore trusted him. And like Hermione said, if you can't trust Dumbledore, then who can you trust?

It's so confusing that I just try not to think about it too much.

As for Draco, I hope he chooses to take help from the Order. If he doesn't, he'll surely be six feet under in no time.

Oh, yes. Draco had better go to the Order. And if he dies, Snape doesn't necessarily die too, because when Voldemort's made up his mind, the "best of his ability" is starkly limited.

And actually, I have a theory on why Dumbledore trusted Snape (Harry's explanation is clearly lame), but it's not a very pleasant one. But some of it... there's no other way around it.

That part is that Snape heard the entire prophecy. I mean, Trelawney is interviewing with Dumbledore, feels so sick she remembers it sixteen, seventeen years later even though it was totally ephemeral, and then, when she opens the door, Snape and Aberforth have just started arguing. Yes, that means Dumbledore outright lied at two points. Snape is distinctly not thrown out of the bar.

It's equally clear that Voldemort only heard a fragment, or he wouldn't be so desperate to get to the Hall of Prophecy.

So what if that's the reason Dumbledore trusts Snape - they agree to let Voldemort have only a fragment, and Snape figures (not knowing about the Horcruxes) that if the "power the Dark Lord knows not" bit is applicable while Harry's still an infant, he's got it in good with the winning side, and if not, he's still got it in good with the winning side. Makes me squirm, though, Dumbledore intentionally putting four people he knows personally and their children in harm's way. I guess that's the least number of casualties possible, but... eww.

Hey, Tharkun, speaking of how the book may end, I've been doing some thinking on my own of events that may or may not come to pass in the end of the 7th book. It's quite woozy atm, but I liked the ideas.

1/ Harry broke off his relationship with Ginny to protect her. Very noble and all, but I doubt that Ginny will settle for that, reasons being: one: she's a Weasley, two: she's a Weasley, and three: she has red hair, freckles, and two twin brothers named Fred and George. So what I'm thinking is, she will probably go after Harry, get captured by Voldemort, then, if Harry manages to hold it together long enough to resist his 'people-saving-thing' and not rush straight into Voldemort's arms, Voldemort will start playing a bit with her (get your mind out of the gutter!), eventually maybe kill her, Harry will tear Voldemort's throat out, maybe getting himself killed too, and the power of love will have prevailed (Harry's love for Ginny)! Like I said... woozy.

2/ About Ron. Everone knows the theory about the unicorn tailhair wands.
For those who don't:
Harry's first trip into the Forest, when they were searching for the unicorn:

"Yeah," said Hagrid, glancing up, too. "Listen, I'm glad we've run inter yeh, Ronan, 'cause there's a unicorn bin hurt -- you seen anythin'?"
Ronan didn't answer immediately. He stared unblinkingly upward, then sighed again.
"Always the innocent are the first victims," he said. "So it has been for ages past, so it is now."

So Cedric had a unicorn wand and died. The other unicorn wands belong to Neville and Ron. I could very well see Neville dying, being the (goodhearted) equivalent of Peter Pettigrew: a less talented tag-along of the heroes, but, at the same time, being the other 'Chosen One'. Neville will find this out, this is almost for sure. But something tells me Voldemort will also find this out, and he will not be wanting to take any chances. So I can see a possibility for a 'bye bye, Neville' in the 7th book. Until the book is out, we can't be sure of anything, but I see it as a possibility.

About Ron - unicorn wand n° 3: smaller things that I thought of. But hey, the devil's in the details.
First book, CH16, Through the Trapdoor:
That's chess!" snapped Ron. "You've got to make some sacrifices!"
Is it only in chess that you've got to make sacrifices? He allows himself to be 'taken' to provide a safe passage for Harry and Hermione. Will he do this once more, with more dire consequenses for himself this time?
And even more importantly:
First book, CH12, The Mirror of Erised (Dumbledore speaking to Harry)
'You, who never known your family, see them standing around you. Ronald Weasley, who has always been overshadowed by his brothers, sees himself standing alone, the best of them.'
So we know it is Ron's deepest desire to outshine his brothers, to be the best, and this is clearly illustrated throughout the books. How much joy doesn't he get out of the small moments when he's in the spotlight, even for stupid things such as being snuck up on in his sleep or being tossed into a lake, so to speak. An online 'Predict the last Harry Potter book' test I recently took had a question about the fate of Ron. Two options were 'He dies', & 'He pulls off an amazing strategic feat that saves them all'. However, why not both of these? Why not allow himself to be 'taken', sacrifice himself to save the rest (+ or - Ginny?), and outshine them all in death? Because it would mean the actual 'HERO' of the books is not Harry, but Ron? I don't know. J.K. has talked a lot about a lot of messages she tries to convey through her books. Maybe this is the final one, and a very important one seeing as this is the closing book of the series, and otherwise, people would walk around with a 'HERO' image of Harry forever: There are no heroes. There are only people like you and me who do stuff because it matters to them.

EDIT: I was going to add Sybill Trelawney's message at the Christmas party in the 3rd book.
'Never forget that when thirteen dine together, the first to rise will be the first to die!'
We never did know who got up first: Ron or Harry?
'Harry and Ron got up first from the table and she shrieked loudly.
'My dears! Which of you left his seat first? Which?'
'Dunno,' said Ron, looking uneasily at Harry.'

EDIT2: What are WOMBATs? Something like real-live OWLs/NEWTs?

About the thirteen-at-the-table thing, Dumbledore was also at that table. Plus, there was another table of thirteen in Grimmauld Place, and Sirius was there, but Mrs. Weasley rose first. So I'd say it's a red herring.

Actually... Voldemort already knows Neville is another Chosen One, because he'd heard the bit about parents and birthdates. Um. That's... that's... If JKR has to kill off Neville, for pity's sake, at least have him take out Bellatrix first!

The Ron thing is a bit less clear - I mean, the bit about sacrifice could just be a demonstration of his overall character and not necessarily foreshadowing, and Ron definitely needs his limelight back so he's more a Trio member than a sidekick (as well as that definition-of-hero thing you mentioned), and it doesn't need to involve his death.

Anyway, I've been suspicious of these symbolic correlation theories ever since the Chess Set Theory went 'splodey.

As for the power of love, my favorite theory on that so far is that the Order will conjure a bunch of Patroni to drive the Dementors into the Death Eaters, but then, I'm not too big on the way Harry/Ginny was written.

Oh, and I'm hoping for Neville, Luna and Ginny to join the Trio. An easter egg on JKR's site points to a Sextet - it has the Ancient Runes for the numbers 0-9 (annoyingly, it doesn't say what magical creature represents seven) and while six is represented by a salamander, which has a spiffy fire connection, three is represented by a Runespor, which is easily dealt with and keeps biting its own heads off. It's pretty obvious Harry is the Planner, Ron is the Dreamer, and Hermione is the Critic. And indeed Hermione continually has her head bit off. In fact, even I was tempted to bite Hermione's head off when I, putting more thought into this than Harry did, might I add, had the sudden, slapped-together idea that Harry was the weapon and Voldemort was drawing on the wells of Harry's mind to create the immense power of wishful thinking, although I bet the scum still really enj- um, off-topic. Anyway, the Runespor is a bad omen for Harry, but the salamander is nothing definite.

Also, note that four is symbolized by the Fwooper, which causes insanity - the two quadros we know much about definitely confirm this, though the Founders are up in the air.

O...kay, and after I just said I didn't trust symbolic correlations. Just call me a filthy hypocrite.

Oh! I just realized - the Prophecy just says Harry will have the power of love, not that he will directly defeat Voldemort with it. Though I admit, it does seem proper that he should.

Please, JKR, don't let Neville die.

EDIT: Yeah, WOMBATs are this standardized test that was behind the secret door last time it opened. Devilishly tricky. Judging by the questions, it's for wizards considering a career in the Ministry.

I'll be well upset if Neville dies.

Whee, I got an O! And I've printed it out and posted it to my wall! And there are more to come, too, so all of you who've missed the first one, never fear. In fact, I find it an acceptable substitute for tantalizing hints about the last book, I like it so much.

Now, on a heavier note, does this paragraph here look like a land mine in progress to anyone else? It sure does to me:



I see I haven't told you why I think Hagrid's doomed, so...

Basically, he has an unhealthy level of, well, worship for Dumbledore, and no sense of self-preservation. Plus, he probably has Sirius's motorbike, which just adds some undesirable poetry to the mix. I mean, he took Harry from the ruins on that bike. What with his giant blood, though, he'll probably take a few Death Eaters down with him. (Not as though they can't recruit more, though... *fistdesk*)

But yeah, if you take that as a land mine, which I do - I'd thought it odd when I read it, because Harry had not previously thought anything of the kind about McGonagall - she's doomed too.

AAAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!

(But there are only so many major deaths you can put into one book before it becomes Elfstones of Shannara, so some of my theories on doomed people have to be wrong.)

I liked the series when it first came out but I find that I'm liking it less and less and I don't know about the majority but I found the romance in the story terribly predictable. <sarcasm>Harry and Ginny?! Who would've guessed?! I totally did not even pick up on the flowery smell hint! </sarcasm> I got bored of the "who's side is Snape on?!" thing because it just became monotonous and annoying. Anyway I am convinced that Fawkes is Dumbledore's horcrux.

Has anyone seen this site?

Dumbledore does not have a horcrux, you need to kill to be able to have one and he is not capable of killing in my eyes. Why don't people just get over it? It's just like Sirius, both of them are dead as a doorknob.

I think that Dumbledore may have been forced to kill at some point (Grindelwald, maybe, but I like the idea that Voldemort killed him after studying under him), but splitting his soul to be immortal? From the man who said it was far better to keep one's soul whole and that death is the next great adventure and that immortality is one of the things that is worst for people (referring to Flamel at that point), uh, no. (And before you start, "kill me" and "don't kill me" are not the only interpretations.)

And all other theories - well, Dumbledore was probably-poisoned, AKed, and tossed off a gigantic tower, we saw a body, he's dead.

Sirius (if you ignore all interviews) is more likely not to be dead, but now that Harry is coming to terms with his death, I wouldn't feel right with it.

Romance I couldn't care less about, unless it's enemy-shipping, which burns usss, or Harry/Luna, which I heart heart heart. It's the auxilary components of the romance, like the best twist yet on the "magic feather" cliche, that kept me interested in between the more plotty bits.

I agree, a Harry and Luna pairing would be great. I think that could redeem some of the damage done in the last book.

And even though a lot of people say "I could never see Dumbledore killing anyone(or something to that effect)" I wouldn't be so surprized if he did. He may have had a good reason to. Just because he's wise and generally calm that doesn't mean he could never be in a situation that could resort to killing. Even though he may have killed someone that doesn't mean that he has to say it was right and condone it, I'm sure he would have regrets. Also if you just can't possibly imagine that, you know that Dumbledore is a powerful wizard and may not have needed to. He knows that he is important to the destruction of Voldemort and the protection of the school, it would be selfish of him just to die for his own adventure. In addition didn't you find it amazingly out of character when he was drinking the poison? I know my initial reaction when he was drinking the poison was "what the heck?!" But he was wanting to set up his death.

No, it's not out-of-character, because the only other person with him was Harry, and he knows he's less important than Harry. (Obviously, he didn't know about R.A.B., or he wouldn't have thought the potion needed drinking.)

I'm never going to stop saying this: I cannot think of one single thing that is better for the Order as a result of Dumbledore's death. Even Snape was as close to being trusted by Voldemort as he ever was likely to be by Spinner's End.

Well maybe not exactly "out of character" but does Dumbledore seem the type for suicide? He knew it would kill him. But hey I guess we'll all find out for sure in the next book.