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Remember: This is a MINI plot and with NO WAR portion.
Let's repeat. MINI PLOT and NO WAR.
One more time. MINI PLOT and NO WAR.
======== Links of interest =========
Last Thread: http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25575
Altador: http://www.neopets.com/altador/index.phtml?
Clues (by the Lenny): http://www.neopets.com/altador/archives ... lue_list=1
Star Mapper (thanks DarkFire): http://www.boomspeed.com/zaniam/theSky.html & instructions.
Stoodder's Constellation Finder: http://www.ludibrius.com/Neopets/findconst.php
Another Constellation Finder: http://hacks.atrus.org/neopets/findConstellations.fcgi

(Note: Make sure you click CONTINUE (if applicable) when you have completed each part!)

(New Note: The "Add Star" button in the telescope does NOT add a new star to the sky. Instead, it lets you add a star to the constellation you're currently building without drawing a line. This is important to know.)

========= The Beginning ============
1. Click the big castle in the center of the map, The Hall of Heroes
2. In the very back-right corner, you'll see a familiar character. Click him!
3. Hey! It's our old friend again. Looks like he has a new job-- Janitor. Click that button that's next to him.
---> Hm, nothing happened.
4. Oh well, Now click the Altadorian Archives, then go into the doorway on the right.
5. Click the book that is under one of the table legs and balancing it.
---> Hm, we're going to have to replace it...
6. Now go to the QUARRY. And find a rock that'll be suitable. Stumped? Here.
---> Aha! A good replacement for that book...
7. Go back to the Altadorian Archives and click that same book again.
---> We can access the book now! (Located near the top-right part of the scene)
8. You can read the prologue from that book now.
---> Advance a page by clicking the top-right of the book, go back by clicking the top-left.
*** Page 1~3 Acquired! *** (out of 53 pages)
9. Go back to the Janitor in The Hall of Heroes and talk to him.
---> Hmm. We're going to need something to help oil some gears...
10. Click each statue until you find a bottle of oil & a rag.
---> Note: Location is different for each person. Perhaps you should write where you found it, just in case. (Although evidence indicates that it is NOT relevant)
11. Once you've found it, go back to the Janitor and click the button again.
---> The ceiling opens up! Let there be LIGHT!
* On the left side of The Hall of Heroes, there is now a staircase leading up to a dome-shaped room. Looks like a telescope is missing.
* If you click each statue in The Hall of Heroes, on the very top pixels /section of the picture of the statue, you can click and look up, and get some arrangement of gems. There is a helpful compilation of the pictures by soymimi here

======= We see the light =======
1. So it looks like the Astronomy club is finally advertising. Go to the Altador Archives and click the pamphlet that shows a telescope. Or click here!
---> You've recieved a telescope!
2. Go back to the Hall of Heroes and go up the staircase on the left side. Click the telescope holder.
---> It fits! You've found the cinderella! ... Actually I guess you found the slipper... oh whatever.
3. Now for the work. Get to it! Start mapping. By the way, Everyone's star formation is different from another. We can help with details, but you're going to have to interpret on your own from now on!
---> Excellent star mapper courtesy of DarkFire here. Follow the instructions on her post.
---> If you want to map your coordinates yourself in Excel, AngelFoxBlue wrote some pretty clear instructions on doing that here.

===== Constellations: Found! ======
1. THE SLEEPER
--> a. Go to The TOMB (bottom-left corner of the main Altador Map)
On the door of the tomb, the black dots are clickable. Try clicking it.
It lights up
--> b. Go to the Wise Lenny in The Altadorian Archives.
--> c. Go to the observatory and look in your telescope. (At this time use Darkfire's mapper. Any time before this you'll get a different set of stars!)
--> d. Find the exact formation found in part a (the orientation is as seen on the tomb doors-- it is NOT rotated in any way) and you will have found your first constellation! (Important note: You MUST connect the lines rather than just using "Add Star". If you don't, the correct stars can be rejected!)
--> e. After you have found it, go back to the Lenny at the Altadorian Archives.
*** Page 4~7 Acquired! ***
--> f. Go to the Hall of Heroes and click on the DARK FAERIE (the one towards the bottom) and look up. The jewels are illuminated! (And the janitor complains of the light)
--> g. Check in with the Astronomy Club and see what they have to say about your discovery.

2. THE DREAMER
--> a. The top right cloud in Altador is clickable. Do it.
--> b. Near the top part of picture, click on the gaps inbetween the clouds. THis will reveal your new constellation to find.
--> c. Talk to the Lenny again to see what he has to say now
--> d. Go back to the Observatory and look through your telescope.
===> NOTE: Your star map is the SAME as before. HOWEVER, due to star drift, you'll need to get the new updated star data.
===> NOTE: You must connect the "top part" using the *connect stars* option, but to get the lone star you MUST use the *add star* option.
--> e. Once you have obtained your constellation and submitted it, the jewels above The Dreamer (left side) will be illuminated.
--> f. Go back to the Lenny, Astronomy Club, and Janitor to get new messages.
*** Page 8~11 Acquired! ***

3. FIRST TO RISE
--> a. Go back to the tomb (the one from constellation 1). Click the BOTTOM-LEFT corner of the picture. This SHOULD get you to a wide breathtaking view of Altador. (If this does not work, highlight the text above the picture, then click TAB 3 times. THen press enter.)
--> b. Go back to the Hall of Heroes, and click The Dancer (the Cybunny to the LEFT of the King)
--> c. Click the Window that is in view.
--> d. Click the circular pathway, and you'll see the next constellation.
--> e. Go back and talk to the Lenny in the Altador Archives (unnecessary though)
--> f. Return to the Observatory and look for that constellation!
==> NOTE: At this point use the starmapper to get your data. Any mapping BEFORE this time, may cause a DIFFERENT set.
--> g. Once you have found that, go back and talk to the Lenny and Janitor for some nice remarks from them.
*** Page 12~15 Acquired! ***
--> h. If you go to the Astronmy club once again, you'll get an ASTRONOMY BADGE! Yay.

4. THE FARMER
--> a. Go to the FARM. It's on the top center-rightish area of the island on Altador. Or for the lazy, click here.
--> b. Click the DOOR to the windmill (top right area)
--> c. Click the LEVER of the windmill (bottom left area)
--> d. You'll get yelled at, exit by clicking the DOORWAY. (right side)
--> e. Click the mounds of hay to expose your next constellation.
--> f. Go back and talk to the Lenny (if you want, that is)
--> g. Find your constellation by going to the Observatory.
==> NOTE: At this point use the starmapper to get your data. Any mapping BEFORE this time, may cause a DIFFERENT set.
--> h. Go back and talk to the Lenny, Astronomy Club, Janitor to see what they have to say.
*** Page 16~19 Acquired! ***

5. THE DANCER
--> a. Disco Time baby! Uhh. Right. In any case, First go to the ALTADORIAN ARCHIVES.
--> b. There's a new flyer up! It's for the Disco Dance Club! Go in!
--> c. Boogie down. Look at the red light at the top right part of the picture. The upper-left most "dot" in that red light is what you need to click.
--> d. Voila. There's your next constellation to find.
--> e. You can talk to the Lenny again if you wish
--> f. Now go find that constellation.
==> NOTE: At this point use the starmapper to get your data. Any mapping BEFORE this time, may cause a DIFFERENT set.
--> h. Woohoo. Unfortunately, the disco club is now shut down. Poor Janitor... listen to his woes. And the a lil' more info from the Lenny. And again, soap opera central with the Astronomy Club.
*** Page 20~23 Acquired! ***

6. THE WAVE
--> a. Click the dock-like area on the top left area of Altador. (The top-left most boat you can find)
--> b. Click one of the waves that you can find in the water.
--> c. Voila. There's your next constellation.
--> d. Talk to the Lenny to see what he has to say.
--> e. Now go find that constellation in the Observatory.
==> NOTE: At this point use the starmapper to get your data. Any mapping BEFORE this time, may cause a DIFFERENT set.
--> f. Congrats. You've found another one. Go talk to the Lenny and Janitor to get some new tidbits.
*** Page 24~27 Acquired! ***
--> g. But if you go to the Astronomy club, they've given you a present! A Broken Astrolabe.
--> h. Go to Donny (here) and ask him to repair it. You'll get a SHINY ASTROLABE.

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Any additions/corrections should be posted here.

Would I be able to PM someone my star data.. and you could help me find the wave? I'm apparently completely useless when it comes to finding constellations! The only ones I could get were the first three. Now that they are becomming more complicated, i'm just pathetic.. hehehe.

PM me and i will help

I humbly suggest my little script:
http://hacks.atrus.org/neopets/findConstellations.fcgi

From the last split ...




You appear to be using DreamHost, so I'd poke them about it. A quick search suggests "Make sure FastCGI is enabled for your site in the Dreamhost panel."

*beaming*
WOO!!!
I had to use the starmapper guide to find this constellation, it was really hard (i submitted three wrong ones before I turned it on)

BUT!!! besides that, I didn't have any help this time.
I did not look at the guide the whole time-- I found the clue, the stars, and even thought to have donny fix my astrolabe!

I am soooo proud of myself It's all thanks to you guys and your wonderful collection of instructions; I never would have gotten this far without you (frankly, I woudln't have even known about the plot if it wasn't for you) and reading your hints and ideas each time gave me the ideas on my own this time to do it myself.

Thanks PPT!

i dont have tme to read back torough the splits, so sorry if you already know but neither of stodders constellation finders are working at th emo.

find constellation script - anyone has it? I can host it up on my server at http://www.apc.sg so make it easier to everyone here.

I'm back If anyone wants help with finding a constellation PM me with your co-ords and I'll help asap.

Atrus has generously made his source code available here:

http://hacks.atrus.org/neopets/findConstellations.txt

Someone had asked in the previous thread why no one had thought of making a client-side solution. There was actually one in the works at one point. For pure client-side solutions, this was what I was originally working on to solve the problem.



It was to be a standalone program people could download and run. Some of the advantages were that, if you use IE for Neopets, it could automatically retrieve your star map data from the Neopets URL and it used people's personal computers for the number crunching instead of weighing on just one server. The disadvantages were that it was compiled only for Windows (so Mac, LINUX and UNIX users would be left out unless they ran Windows-emulation software) and it was a downloaded executable so there could be the risk of people rebundling and redistributing it with virii and things. The project was abandoned when Darkfire started including constellation masks in her starmapper. I figured hers was a good enough solution.

as good as the idea sounds, i think people might be reluctant to download and install a program that can access their neopets info. Being cautious of scammers/hackers and all that, people might be suspicious of the program being able to access more than just their star data.

Yes, that is true. Sadly, there are enough security holes floating around these days that running any software at all requires some level of trust, and, of course, some technologies/architectures are more exploitable than others. Originally, it was really meant for my own personal use because, although the first one (the Sleeper) was easy, I expected constellation finding to be a real pain in the neck. And, with the program, I could also easily find the constellations for others if given their coordinates data. Anyway, other solutions and tools came to light and made it unnecessary.

If I might say something as a moderator...

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but I have to just advise everyone to continue using the current online programs (Stoodder's and DF's) rather than downloading a program of its own entity onto your computer. I know the pros and cons of it all, but as a moderator, it's my job to advise against things that can possibly turn out horrible.

Granted, it could be the greatest thing to happen to constellation-finding since the Astronomy Club gave us a telescope. Nevertheless, I just have to use my sense here and suggest that no one download this future program, only so that we might avoid ANY sort of scamming and/or hacking.

Sorry, all!

ATTENTION!!

In order to cut down on the amount of necessary 'splitting' of the other threads (we're at 37 thus far), the moderators decided it'd be a heck of an idea to just make a sticky "Where's My Constellation?" thread for all those in help of finding their constellations in the Altador Plot.

This thread will now be home to such questions and comments as:

- Which starmapper should I use?
- I've looked everywhere, but can't find my stars!!(To which the response has, in 37 threads, always been, "It's right here." )
- Hah! I found my constellation without your help!
- If anyone wants help finding a constellation, send me your star data.
- I can't find my star data!
- Okay, someone, please, help me find my coordinates!
- Are colored stars a PATTERN?

And the rest.

So, if you'll all abide, please post anything of that helpful sort in this thread, and leave the others for theorizing, speculation, and discussion of the next step of the plot!

Thanks!

The thread is located here: http://www.pinkpt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=558866

Well, many people have said it is the Gladiator next. So, do we expect the long-awaited Collisseum to be finally opened (and can somebody please tell me how to spell Collisseum)

Personally, I think that we will never see a more likely time than this to visit the Collisseum. It has been mentioned in the Neopedia article, and there is a clear area where the Collisseum will be when it has been released.

It would appear that Stodder's constellation finder no longer works, as the account has been suspended... I suspect due to bandwidth exceedence.