thelilbear wrote:
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you can look for other meanings, i'm not against that. and you can talk about what you found to be the hidden meanings, there's nothing wrong with that. but that which you find is always an opinion, unless it is the literal meaning, which is what i took from it. what was being done is that the non-literal inferences are being used as facts (eg. they're telling us to drink the tea since it will make us slimmer and prettier, and that is bad). what i say may seem insane, but it is factual, taken literally from the source.
Your response isn't insane, you have a very logical response to this. I see exactly where you are coming from. But I don't think you can say this is what the ad literally says, so we shouldn't take offense.
Granted, when one looks at the wording closely, it does not state that slim equals pretty. BUT even looking at it literally, you cannot say what the advertisers meant for people to see in it. Not everyone in the world takes things literally, so to get your point across as an advertiser, you need to be aware how people look at ads and what they may infer, whether it is your intention or not.
I don't think you can consider it a "hidden" meaning, since it is pretty easy to infer, based on the number of people who see it.
And for another literal example, if someone smurf you off, and a friend said, "Just kill them," would you kill them? If you look at the sentence literally, and not take into consideration your friend's tone of voice or stance or anything that would be subjective, all you have is the literal words. So do you do it? Is your defense "Well, Judge, he told me to kill him, and I took it literally."
I'm not arguing that what you are saying is taken literally from the source, I'm just saying there are other factors to determine how people will view the game.
referring to the killing example, that's a terrible example. the friend told me to do something. whether or not i do it is another thing enturely, and has nothing to do with how the order was said. i better example would be if the friend said the person deserved to be killed. then you could take into account all factors and weigh them accordingly to get an answer. but things like this almost always are highly opinion based, since they are difficult to measure quantitatively. on the other hand, you can measure the colour of the grass with the hex values, so it can be measured quantitatively.
granted there are other factors that determine how others see it. so others will have different opinions. what i've said is my opinion and the fair portion of my responses have been to defend my opinion from the vast majority of people who think otherwise.
aichmophile wrote:
matchbow wrote:
you can look for other meanings, i'm not against that. and you can talk about what you found to be the hidden meanings, there's nothing wrong with that. but that which you find is always an opinion, unless it is the literal meaning, which is what i took from it. what was being done is that the non-literal inferences are being used as facts (eg. they're telling us to drink the tea since it will make us slimmer and prettier, and that is bad). what i say may seem insane, but it is factual, taken literally from the source.
Actually, what you say is an opinion. You may take the game literally, but that doesn't make your opinion factual. For example, if you take a metaphor literally, that doesn't mean the statement is factually correct. "She's a tea-catching machine!" doesn't mean that she is literally a machine, so taking the "facts" from the literal source is useless. Though I guess it's just my opinion, that could actually mean she is a machine. That catches tea.
I realize, though, that nothing I say will change your opinions and you will continue to complain that women are complaining too much about this. Didn't mean to offend you by being offended.
she is not a tea-catching machine. she is a digitally engineered graphical representation of a human female, with similarly engineered objects resembling bottles of Le Tea moving in a downwards direction directly towards the former. and these bottles cease to render after reaching so far down in the graphical representation of the female. that is fairly factual, taken as directly from the source as i can with my present knowledge.
though yes, my opinion remains an opinion. though it is based on my interpretation of the facts, i must remember that the opinions of others are also so. regardless of whether or not the interpretations are literal. literal interpretations are probably just as factual as less literal interpretations, but they probably just stretch the facts a bit less. so again, my opinion is not fact, despite what was previously stated
i'm not offended by your being offended. where have i complained that women are complaining too much? i stated my opinion in my first post: that the game, like everything in life, is what you make of it. every subsequent post has been in defence of my opinion.
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what innapropriate message? it just says that catching the tea makes you more slim, and more pretty. it doesn't say being slim or pretty is good, nor does it say the opposite. that is something that you decide. it doesn't tell you any reasoning behind the slimness or prettiness, it is just portrayed as a side effect of catching the tea.
What else are you going to do with the tea but drink it? You don't have to see them drinking it to know they are.
It is just like many other commercials, especially women's hygiene products - you don't see the woman using the product, sometimes you can't even see the product but you
know what the product is and how it is used.
Even in your way of looking at it -
it doesn't tell you any reasoning behind the slimness or prettiness, it is just portrayed as a side effect of catching the tea. that would still be false advertising, which was another point I made. Nothing is going to make you prettier by catching it from the sky (taking your literal meaning).
literally, i don't think it's false advertsing either. that it was a side effect is probably untrue. the girls became slimmer and prettier after the tea fell on them, but though the events coincided, they are not necessarily related.
yes, it's fairly obvious that they probably drink it, and that it probably is the cause for the changes in appearance, but when taken literally, it is not. it is just random stuff happening from no reason.
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