Altador Plot [Complete!] (Split 73)

[musikitamanga]

I wish they'd release them already.

[danelkayam]

The longer it takes, the better the prize system usually is. I hope it's like the LDP plot prizes. I did everything in a very short time so I'll probably have a lot of points.

[Cranberry]

And everyone's entitled to still think you're nuts. Really, the plot was much longer, much more time consuming, and had quite a few random elements that were key to finishing quickly. There were countless time where if you somehow miscalculated or misunderstood directions you wasted hours if not days of effort.

Perhaps in a vacuum where you spoke with no one, neither here or the neoboards, your opinion might be less laughable to most people. The fact of the matter is, Snarkie and the TNT programmers knew about the star mappers. If they really wanted to, I'm quite sure they could have made it so using those were impossible or warranted instant freezing. They didn't. Seeing as how the only real potential difficulty would be in charting constellations, there really is no comparison when you can go to a website and get the exact locations.

Just becuase you don't agree doesn't mean you have to get personal.

One persons idea of whats difficult will be diffrent from another. Just becuase you find maths easy doesn't mean everyone else does.

Hey now, Huggles used the Winky Face of Implied Sarcasm(TM)! That protects her from all accusations of "personal attacks." Ah, Winky Face of Implied Sarcasm(TM), you have served me well over the years...

Also, I'm vaguely insulted by Cilian implying that some of us do find color mixing difficult and that we only finished before she did because she had a life and couldn't be bothered to devote as much time as we did... but I'm not insulted enough to get into it. I will say that neither plot was meant to be done all alone. Mr. Insane confirmed that in the Altador plot, we were supposed to work together to find the correct spell in the book, for example, and in the LDP, we had to work together to move sand and furniture and map the repository (imagine doing that alone, Cilian, and then tell me this plot was easier). Maybe the LDP had more logic, but it was much more time-consuming -- and some of the steps, no matter what you might say, were very difficult (and that's why some of them sat unsolved for literally days).

[Cilian]

Ok, this is my last post on this topic, further discussion will serve no point. I'm surprised at how personal some of you are making your posts. And no, throwing in a semicolon and a parenthesis does not absolve you from taking responsibility for what you say. Yet again, it is my opinion that this plot was more difficult than the LDP. I made no claim about time. The LDP took 5 months, both in waiting sometimes weeks for new plot points, and in tedious tasks. Hauling sand, moving blocks, and placing furniture was not hard. It was time consuming. (and doing it "alone", as in without forum help, but knowing that I would not be the only person on Neopets doing those activities would have been easy). Even reading scrolls was relatively simple, except for the time spent in searching and moving about the repository. And yet again, I'm not trying to diminish the efforts of those who made discoveries after stages were released. But I have the same respect for those who discovered the steps in this plot as well. I'm not trying to put myself out there as some sort of LDP god who just didn't bother to do stuff first, even though I could have. My point is that logic ruled that plot, not this one. I'm sorry Cranberry felt insulted, but I don't consider anything I said to be out of line. I have tried carefully, unlike others, to not make my posts personal. My opinion is my own. I have not asked any of you to share it, nor is trying to attack it going to sway my views.

[Ric]

The or Winky Face of Implied Sarcasm(TM) or semicolon then parenthesis, whatever you wish to call it, was not intended to stop Huggles from taking responsibility for what she said, but to show that she was joking. That she did not mean it. Implied Sarcasm. Jokingness.

[Cilian]

The or Winky Face of Implied Sarcasm(TM) or semicolon then parenthesis, whatever you wish to call it, was not intended to stop Huggles from taking responsibility for what she said, but to show that she was joking. That she did not mean it. Implied Sarcasm. Jokingness.

Just quickly, I had no problem with the first paragraph, where huggles used the winky, that's fine. It was the second where my opinion was called laughable and it was implied I live in a vaccum that needed responsibility.

[Cranberry]

The or Winky Face of Implied Sarcasm(TM) or semicolon then parenthesis, whatever you wish to call it, was not intended to stop Huggles from taking responsibility for what she said, but to show that she was joking. That she did not mean it. Implied Sarcasm. Jokingness.

And my post about the Winky Face of Implied Sarcasm(TM) was also a joke, which is why I used a Winky Face of Implied Sarcasm(TM) in it.

Oh, there I go again!

There's no point in arguing, I suppose, and like I said, I'm not terribly insulted, just vaguely. I think the LDP was much harder. Yes, it involved a lot of tedious tasks that were easy (sand moving took no skill whatsoever), but the scroll-reading and tablet-deciphering tasks were not simple. Even the guide is long and complicated. Not one step of the Altador plot took days to solve (the most was one day), and several steps of the LDP did. That's enough proof for me.

[SilllyTigger]

Ok Ok Ok....don't make me put on me stripped ref. shirt and dig up that old whistle and start blowing on it. Da game is called on account we is ALL WINNNERS! Now..if'n ya wanna...I'll jump in my wheelie chair and chase you all all over Altador, altho that could be fun... But cha know...I just don't move as fast as I used to. And ya'll would all probably just laugh at me and point at the silly ole granny with the whistle and stripped shirt chasing ya in a wheelie chair.

HAVE FUN, BE GOOD, TAKE CARE, LUV YOU, BuBYE!
Dats all folks. hehehe
HUGS!
SilllyTigger

[Dustin]

Gahhh.
How long did it take you all to find your spellbook? I have been looking for 20 minutes or so and I can not find it. I get a few blank pages here and there and im thinking that could be it, but im not sure. I've done all the steps, I put in the right numbers to my URL, and nothing.

[Penguin]

there's 31 different books in the room

[Dustin]

I've gone through more than 30 I'm pretty sure.

[Penguin]

go through in order, tab through the room

[Dustin]

You press tab 5 times, right?
Because that's what im doing.
And once I get to a spellbook, I just press Backspace to go back. Do I have to click "Return to the archives"?

EDIT: I found out what I was doing wrong. I have to press tab more than 5 times to get to each book. Hah.

[Huggles]

Jeeze. Didn't expect anyone to get so worked up about this. There's nothing anywhere in what I said that I thought could be miscontrued as some sort of personal attack or I wouldn't have said it. I don't know you from Adam to attack you personally, but I don't see why I can't argue against your position. Replace laughable with "I think you're nuts" from the first paragraph I wrote. That's exactly the same thing I was going for except I didn't feel I had to add more smileys to my post.

I don't believe that this plot was remotely close to the difficulty of the LDP. The clues were mostly obvious to spot as new links appeared on the Altador Map, most people tabbed through most of them. The switches and gears may have some sort of pattern, but most people got through it clicking randomly. Some people couldn't find their constellations with the mappers when the sites that gave exact locations went down, but not much else went on.

I can't really argue personal ability, there's ton of people here much better at logic problems than I am and I'm not saying you aren't one of them , but for the vast majority of players the sheer amount of time and thought it took is undeniably more than in this one. Even if you were able to figure out each new clue within a few moments, you still had the arduous task of going through the Despository looking for scrolls and trekking through the Tomb hoping to find the right door.

The vacuum comment wasn't anything about you personally, it was about the fact that your main argument for this being harder was plotting the constellations, which is a moot point. Yes, it could have been extremely difficult if we had to use only the telescope to find them, but that's not the reality of the situation. The fact is all you had to do was use one of the mappers with a guide to find it or go to a site with the exact locations. If time is the only quantifiable measure of difficulty we can use, than this still was much easier than the LDP.

[stampsyne]

This plot was harder <= opinion
I find that laughable <= opinion

I find the arguement over this a bit tedious <= my opinion

Everybody is entitled to thier opinions as long as they are polite (and preferably logical)