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Learning about something and having it mentioned in an ad on a pet game site are two very different things. You have very different views on things when you are a parent. My four girls all play Neopets and love the site. I really would not appreciate an add talking about sex even if they saw it in the future when they did know more about it. It is just not appropriate.

Neopets is a family-friendly site. That means, no sex, alcohol, drugs, swearing, or graphic violence. Whether a child knows about these things is of no matter. They should not be there. Period.


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if it's sooo pointless, why have it?

why would a 14 year old be thinking about birth control and preventing pregnancy? why would married couples care about birth control if they most likely have all the kids they want.


Well, I'm nearly fourteen and I'm on birth control. No, I don't sleep around. Birth control is an effective way of controlling acne, and it also helps with certain *problems* females have.

I think that the only way this is inappropriate is if kids under 13 are seeing it. If they're over 13, I don't see a problem with it. They need to find out about it somehow, if their parents or schools haven't talked about it already.


But isn't acne something you can clear up with other things?


For some people, yes. For others, like myself, other things just don't work or make it much, much worse. Birth control is usually a fantastic alternative to other medications that can irritate the skin, cause imflammation or make the acne far worse.


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Having gone to Northwestern law school and having worked in corporate law for many years, I know for a fact that any corporation who signs up for any advertising signs a contract for this. And the contract specifically says what you can and cannot do. If the Neopets corporate attorney didn't put something in the contract stating that sexual references were prohibited from all ads, then he isn't the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. If he did put that in, then Neopets needs to take legal action against the advertising company and, perhaps, should make a point of previewing all ads before they are released to the public.

By showing those ads, they are going against everything said in their Press Kit about how safe and trustworthy Neopets is. Quote: "Neopets follows the guidelines established by the Children's Advertising Review Unit (CARU), a self-regulatory forum set up by the advertising industry in conjunction with the Council of Better Business Bureaus to review and provide guidelines concerning advertising and promotional materials directed at children in all media." NO, they don't. If you check CARU, they are not following the guidelines.

Quote: "Importantly, parents trust Neopets. Thanks to the diligence of the site's round-the-clock team of monitors and e-mail support staff, Neopets, Inc. works vigilantly toward its goal of maintaining a safe and fun online environment for all ages." NO, by advertising sex on the site, it is no longer a safe environment for all ages. I know of many moms who play Neopets with their littler kids sitting in their laps or right next to them. The account is Mommy's, but the little kid helps out by feeding the pets, etc. Not too cool if the 5 year old who like to play the Disney games asks Mommy what "heat of the moment" is. Not too cool if Mommy has to try to explain that to her little kid.


OK, I was going to stay out of this one, it's such a hot topic (no pun intended). BUT Morningstar and Adam bring up good points.

When all is said and done, the site itself IS responsible for the ads. If there's an ad or anything else on the site that is not COPPA compliant it has to go. Otherwise, Neo or any other family/child friendly site can lose that important rating. And I think it is important. I think if people wrote to the COPPA site or even the BBB about these ads, there would be some very interested people. Along with the adware/spyware/ads that do go to bad sites (that system tray ad is a total scam site).

They are going against everything they say and they're going against everything in their own T&C and Chat Rules - no saying sex, sexy, hot (in any context - not even a hot cup of tea or how hot the weather is - you're suddenly VERY cold).

I took a look at the ss of that second ad and I too am appalled. That goes way beyond what should be acceptable for the site, not to mention right down there in the uber-tasteless department along with that roach ad.

I'm sure there was a contract. I wonder who actually wrote it though. Maybe the ad network, and not Neopets? Or if someone from Legal at Neo did write it up, well, just look at the T&C to see how well and clearly they sometimes write or phrase things.

Someone needs to be put in charge of "policing" the ads that the ad network is putting on the site, making note of those that are click-thru to a bad site, along with inappropriate material.

Whether someone lies about their age (so they can use the boards, change their lookups/shops or whatever) isn't the issue, though I don't think people should lie ... it's an issue of some things on a virtual escape-from-reality family friendly with a "wholesome", safe atmosphere just don't belong there.


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If I look at the "about us" page, it looks like any company can offer to advertise. Depending on who is screening the companies, I wonder what we'll see next?

I know Viagra seems all too willing to spam email, etc. I shudder to think if that ever makes its way onto neopets. :evil: :x


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Has anyone found out for SURE whether or not different ads appear based on age or not?


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Adam loves Hilary Duff wrote:
It isn't neopets fault for the ads.
They just got in contact with a big ad company and got all different ads on the site.
They aren't sponsors.....


It IS their fault for the ads. Neopets is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING put on this site. They knew exactly what they were getting into when they decided to put the banner ads up. And, if they don't have good attorneys to write up contracts with these ad companies that state exactly what can and what cannot be on the site, then they need to hire some. And, need to hire someone to monitor the ads--just like they hire someone to monitor what we say and do on the site.

And, let me just add that I am outraged by these ads! Having a stupid nasty cockroach crawl across the page is one thing, but this is just too much. I can only imagine what the Australian press would say about this!

Why am I so outraged? Because, first off, this is "touted" as a family-oriented, kid-friendly site. But, even more so, because Neopets is extremely hypocritical. They will freeze someone who writes the word "sex" or any sexual term for that matter (such as "shake it like a Polaroid"). Yet, apparently it is OK if someone pays them to display that very same word at the top of the page and to display ads for products that help you avoid the unwanted consquences of that act.

They had better hope Disney doesn't get wind of this. Some of their big-time sponsors might not want to be associated with the slimy sort of ads that are suddenly appearing on such a clean, wholesome site.

You've got some very good points, but the part I bolded is the bit I'm responding to.

I agree. If our press made such a big deal about the "gambling" and the fact that your pet "goes to the pound if you don't feed it"... I dread to think what they'll say or do if they manage to get hold of this.


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Neoboards.


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Neoboards.


Ah, Omni, you got me there. I am not saying Neopets is clean and wholesome (I know better), but that Neopets (and its big sponsors like Disney) thinks it is clean and wholesome. Shoot, those Neopets chatboards are looking more and more like some of those seemier daytime talk shows every day!


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