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Oh, and just when I think of it now, if neopoints were impossible to earn, inflation would stop. Inflation comes from an increase in the overall spending in the economy. As that increases, inflation does too. Seeing how you can't exactly curb inflation by altering the Official Cash Rate (as there is none seeing how loans aren't available in Neopia) or offering subsidies to people selling items (extra money to encourage production given by government), the only way to curb inflation is to release more of the item. Lower rarities, lower prices in the hidden tower etc. Pump more of the good into the economy.

And doing that never helped anything.

I agree. It's just a game, no reason to get mad over it, or be scared half to death of being frozen. Be as good as you can, and if you get frozen, start again. It's a game. The game is to give you a challenge, and have goals.

All right. Time to straighten out the four-AM rant.

First of all: Neopets monitors are human. Yes. I understand this. If I said they weren't (I.E. they were ogres, etc.)... well, attribute this to the four-AM state of mind.

Second: The Neopoints are impossible to earn versus inflation issue. That was rather contradictory, and not very intelligent of me... but I was thinking of avatar inflation versus earning NP. The average user (let's call him Joe Newbie) can earn... 75k a day playing games (I saw this figure postulated someplace)- if he plays all the games 3x and gets a decent score, nevermind computer screwups, time constraints and connection issues- and let's say he wants the Draik- Hatched avatar. To get that avatar, he creates a Lupe (JoeNewbieLupe), which starts him out with a nice, shiny 50 NP. Added to the... what, 200? That you would get from a new account, and he is one-one hundred thousandth to his goal.

Now, supposing he gets his 75k a day and doesn't get anything remarkable from his dailies, he will earn his Draik Transmogrification Potion in exactly four weeks, provided he doesn't have any run-ins with the tax beast, mutant kadoaties, and such events. Well done, Joe Newbie! You are a testament to the human spirit.

However. In the real world, how many people can honestly say they have the time to play all 140 (not counting slots, dailies, and quests- yes, I did actually count these) games, thrice a day? Assuming each game takes just two minutes, the player will have to spend FOURTEEN STRAIGHT HOURS playing games (and getting good scores!) to earn his daily 75k. Granted, small amounts are much easier to earn (and yes, I am plugging away, I just have to vent sometimes; perhaps PPT is not the best place to do so, seeing as frustration is met with sarcasm here). Also granted, there are other ways to earn NP, I.E. Restocking, reselling, wiz sniping, the stock market (Which is actually rather fun), but all of these require startup capital of between two and fifteen thousand neopoints, and some of them take a great deal of time and practice, as well as a fairly fast internet connection.

Now, let's try a real world example. Say Sarah Neopian wants to earn three million neopoints to make her three favorite pets. She's an average player, with a fair connection, but not much time daily. She plays games, maybe restocks a nova or two, and invests in the stock market, earning roughly 5k a day. At this figure, again assuming neither mishaps nor windfalls appear in her random events, she will be able to create her pets in just under two years.

"BUT I EARN MUCH MORE DAILY!" Well done, I congratulate you. What I am saying is that NOT everyone is as gifted as you.

To the person who has the lab ray, battledome pet, neohome, etcetera: Well done. When did you buy the lab ray? If it was recent, I congratulate you on getting four color zaps so soon, and if it was more than a year and a half ago- well, congratulations still, 100k was a lot back then. What is your neohome built out of? Mine was bamboo, nice, cheap, strong and very traditional.

To Hikari: I congratulate you. Where do you restock? I'm still learning; and I have yet to pull in more than 10k from a day's work. Nevermind that, though, more posts to deal with.

Yes, dog god, I was frustrated when I posted that, how nice of you to notice! I wasn't making much sense, now that I read the post with a clear head, and I certainly didn't expect anyone to take it seriously. Ah well.

Daze: Ah, you read that? I have the unfortunate faculty of lurking until something happens that angers me into posting, and then I explode with frustration. I suppose it gives me a bad name, but I am actually fairly mild mannered. Anyway. Your post... Yes, I do feel rather hard-done by, I have had two accounts that I cared deeply for frozen at the same time of year- my first for logging in from a library, my second for a mistake on the neoboards- and it was not half so bad as some INTENTIONAL language there. What's more, my new main was frozen a few weeks ago for "botting", for reasons unknown to me, so... Yes, I am frustrated. I suppose I should feel abashed for having taken your mind off your important business, but I frankly don't.

And why are eight year olds on the neoboards? Forgive me if I am wrong, but don't the T&C of neopets state that children below 13 shouldn't be posting or neomailing? And would you, in good conscience, send in the permission slip to let your small child on there? For that matter, why isn't that eight year old being supervised while they're on the computer? When I was that age, my mother always was nearby when I was using the internet.

So, you say I ought to watch myself for someone else's bad parenting? Oh dear.

If the neopets monitors are human, you must not forget that we plebian users are human and ALSO make mistakes. Of course, they're entitled to punish us for them, but I do think they could show a small amount of courtesy.

And slime lord, green lady of the knoll, thank you for your kindness. You're two of the few who didn't not-quite-openly flame me. I haven't forgotten why I joined neo- I loved the pets, back then. The Uni, Scorchio, and Cybunny were my favorite, but as Cybunnies were limited (and morphing potions didn't exist back then), I simply created a Uni and went from there. I didn't care for painting pets, didn't know what the Neoboards were, I just played games and went on my merry way.

Now, the pets I like most are exceedingly expensive, and working towards earning them does frustrate me. I ranted here to burn it off, and I came back to two pages of... well, thinly-veiled contempt. Forgive me, I'll go kiss the neopets monitors' feet now... sheesh. (For future reference: I am not insulting the monitors, I'm angry at their policies. Kthxbai.)

Relax. The game can be pretty frustrating sometimes. I am just coming back from a 2 year break from Neopets, so I do understand the impulse to rant about it.

I’m getting really sick of the idea that you have to worship the ground any member of TNT walks on to be a “good” player, too. It’s just not true. But I have managed to never be frozen in 6 years (okay, during 2 of them I only logged in once every few months) on Neopets, so it is possible. It's just rather difficult.

Maybe you should take a break from doing all the things you’re not that fond of but do for np. Seriously; just play the games you like, do quests if you think they’re fun, do dailies, and you will usually make a decent amount of np every day. Even if you don’t have much time.

As for the neoboards, I mostly just avoid them. I’m not that fond of them and I’m a little worried about being frozen for a misunderstanding.

If it’s bothering you this much, maybe you should consider a break. If it’s not fun anymore…well, why are you playing? I’ve taken breaks when I was frustrated and I’ll leave the game again if it stops being fun again. It’s not like I have to play Neopets and you don’t either.

If I knew what you meant by that, I would probably be insulted. It seems you feel everyone attacked you and therefore took everything the wrong way.



Now who is being sarcastic?

As for 8 yr olds on the boards, it is quite obvious that the young ones get on there (with or without parent permission) and as a parent myself I monitored my children's access, but it is obvious that not all parents do. And yes, I would expect you and everyone else to watch out for yourselves around these younger players. It gets quite obvious when the younger people post (and 8 was just a figure, even 13 yr olds are quite childish on the boards).

I am always amazed at everyone's perceptions of when you should have an account full of painted pets and millions in the bank. We all play Neo within our own boundaries. If one person can be on for 6 hours a day, why should they be made to feel guilty because someone is only on for 1 hour? That is what it comes down to. The inflation due to avatars is annoying and sometimes a bit unreasonable but that is the nature of the game. When did working for something become passe?


I know you are angry, disallusioned, whatever and no-one expects you to kiss the monitors feet....geez, you do exaggerate but alot of people do come on to PPT just to "flame" neo.

And as this will probably be taken as a flame, will more than likely be deleted.

I just feel that the people who have the most dificulty with playing Neo are the ones that constantly want to judge their account against everyone elses. We should be happy with what we can do for our account and not worry how anyone else manages to get 4 painted pets within 6 months (unless they are obviously cheating) and millions in the bank.

Exactly. I couldn't have said it better. Who the heck cares what everyone else has? What is the big deal if Sally has a Draik/Krawk and you have 4 Kyrii? I never understood why people get their knickers in a bunch because others have better. You should be playing for yourself, not too show off. Yes, if you get achievements, you should feel happy about them, but if you don't, then keep working. If you want something bad enough, work for it. You might have quick reflexes and a fast computer and you'll get a decent morphing potion fast or a draik fast or you could be stuck on 56k and have to deal with work and school and family and work up to getting a draik or whatever you want after playing for a year. Whatever! It really doesn't matter. Just set your sites and do it and expect to work hard. If you don't, it wasn't really worth it anyway.

Neopets is a game. If you don't like it, play something else. Easy as that. Don't feel forced to do things just to get neopoints if you don't really want to do them. So it might take you a bit longer, what's the rush? As long as you get there in the end. *shrug*

I'd recommend that if you are finding it frustrating, or just plain not fun, a rest is a good as a change =) I've taken breaks before (though never for very long) and it really does help.

Back when I first started playing neopets I didn't really get what I was "meant" to be doing, all I did was play pyramids and solitaire and wonder how on earth people could afford the likes of Magic Cookies when their pet was ill xD I had one pet and played it because I was at home for summer, missing my bf terribly and it passed the time. And I had awesome fun =D

Later I got more into it and started earning lots of nps through playing games. I collected petpets and played rather a lot per day but! it started to get less fun for me, I had these wonderful petpets but I was always straining for the next goal. So I took a break, sold my petpets and started again with different motivations.

Now I have pretty much no goals left so I really am just playing for fun and yet I've achieved far more than I ever thought possible. Just have a break and come back when it's fun again

Exactly/ My Ex GF got me started on Neo and I am now fully addicted to it. I actualyl try to get on my account daily just to do the dailies. I dont care if i ever get that awesome painted pet, but it would be nice. There is no need to measure how much your account is worth in monetary value or to compare it to someone else's account. Its meant to be fun and something that you can do to pass the time. If i get that extra special item I have been lacking to add to my extra difficult gallery to complete, then awesome. If i dont, perhaps in 6 months time I will.

Whew. Okay. Let's try again.

I admit bits of my post were a bit caustic; and for that I apologise. I didn't see everyone as attacking me, but I get defensive rather easily.

Eh, since I've had to start re-earning my pets, Neo HAS gotten rather less fun. About all I do daily is buy stocks, restock three or four novas to replenish my funds, and do my dailies. (Since my mara Kyrii's reincarnation has zapped ghost, I've decided to leave her that way until such a time as a M. Kyrii MP comes out; which makes things easier. The only big thing is my Draik... stupid avatar inflation.)

What got my goat is that a rant that I thought would go unnoticed was criticized. o.o When I'm frustrated, I want to spit it out and have it forgotten- if I'd known how to lock the topic, I would, I just wanted it out and done with. I'm terribly sorry if I insulted anyone, but I respond badly to criticism that doesn't appear constructive.

Anyway, I'm okay with things as they are on Neopets for me, right now. This actually gives me time to work on my pets' pages (And I have a lot to do with them...), so I'm much happier. And I'm getting to recreate my pets with the names I always wanted for them- I always intended to do that anyway. Heh.

I apologize if I insulted anyone, but I DO take criticism badly... Anyway, this topic has been quite cathartic. Thank you.

I have got to say that sometimes a part of the frustration comes from that "i want paintbrush, painted pet etc" syndrome. I would imagine it's more difficult to earn nps now than it was 5 years ago. but there are still ways to do so even with dial up, even though it's most likely very frustrating and takes much longer. i started up on dial up restocking cheap medicines and haggling with the shopkeeper just to make 2 or 3 more nps of profit when i sold it in my shop. There were plenty of things that looked good that i wished i had, but when i got my first paintbrush RE, i didn't paint my pets and i didn't go on a buying spree after selling the paintbrush, all the nps went into the bank and i started trying to restock items that were 1k plus. It was a long road and it was made easier after getting broadband, but it's still frustrating at times. I was at a point where restocking was not fun but a chore just to see how much more i could put in the bank. I cleared out my side accounts, gave things away and decided not to worry much about restocks, in fact i haven't really done much restocking in the past few months. Right now i depend on the black pawkeet slots for my income, when i get tired of that i'll probably start restocking and when i'm tired of doing that i'll go back to continue my Neoquest 2 plot. I would love to have one of those really good weapons but i'm not about to slog day and night to raise that many nps for one, so i'll make do with my not so good weapon and be happy.

I used to feel much the same way about the difficulty of earning neopoints, until I learned how well Neoquest 2 can pay off. For me, a person who can't restock to save her life and who doesn't always have the motivation to play flash games for 5 hours to earn a measley 50k, NQII is the perfect way to make np without putting forth too much effort. If you just invest 2 or 3 hours each day (and get past the Normal difficulty to Evil and Insane, where the good prizes are), you can potentially make quite a lot of np in just a couple weeks. It's not a bad way to fund your goals.

As for your other frustrations, I have to agree with everyone else's advice: if you're not enjoying yourself, take a break. Neopets will still be here when you start feeling up to playing again.

Do you have a livejournal? There's a great community there you can join to rant about Neopets and not be criticized (for the most part). hehe

Wow I read all the posts and thought hmm, nothing left to say ^_^;;

I can see how neopets is frustrating, or well it can be dull sometimes. I've had my account for almost 7 years (in march I believe) and I've taken year long breaks because it just wasn't something I enjoyed at that point in my life.

Maybe all you need to do is just veg out on Neopets, mess around, play some new games, or take a break like some other people have suggested.Then maybe when you come back you'll remember why you joined Neopets in the first place.

In any case, good luck! ^_^

I've only been playing 3 months, and been seriously trying to earn np since I started, but I already can't keep up my 100k a week quota. I've worked it out to 20k a day five days out of the week, or 25k in four. I get it all from games, so 20k takes a couple hours at the very least.

The last couple weeks I've been doing my dailies, but I just haven't had the energy or motivation to play the games; they're getting tiring already. I'm aiming for the lab ray, a plushie pb and a christmas pb in the near future (hope the latter goes on sale after the holidays!) but I think as soon as I make those goals I'm going to take a break and not going to strain myself earning enough for the rest of the pbs I'll eventually get.

In the meantime, I'm going to work on my submission to the petpage spotlight - I'm making an encyclopedia of all the petpets, extinct petpets, and other petpet related things in Neopia, and make up latin names for them and all that. I'm hoping to have a gallery to match (unpainted petpets only), but that'll prolly take even longer than that it will to earn enough to paint all my pets.