Lenny Conundrum #134

[neomania]

you can confirm with me. if you don't think i don't know what i am talking about just read my solution to lc 133 above (on page 1) . it is now in bold

[Jetro]

Can someone shed some light on this new one for me. sort of stumped. I used to be good at math until.. ..i guess got lost in Calculus somewhere..

For this one,

4 corner pieces
4 inside pieces
8 outside pieces

Which to me means, that the 4 corner pieces will always remain there, and can only change amoungst themselves.

Same with the inside as well as the outside pieces.

Not asking anyone to give me the answer, as Im sure we all want that extra 2000 np ::grins:: Just someone care to point me into the right direction or assist me on this?

Thanks.

[XenaAndGabrielle]

Can someone shed some light on this new one for me. sort of stumped. I used to be good at math until.. ..i guess got lost in Calculus somewhere..

For this one,

4 corner pieces
4 inside pieces
8 outside pieces

Which to me means, that the 4 corner pieces will always remain there, and can only change amoungst themselves.

Same with the inside as well as the outside pieces.

Not asking anyone to give me the answer, as Im sure we all want that extra 2000 np ::grins:: Just someone care to point me into the right direction or assist me on this?

Thanks.

The way I read the question ... is that the 4 corner pieces can be arranged in a variery of different ways. But you know that it *is* a corner piece ... so each of those 4 pieces has to be in the corners.

Same with the inside and outside pieces.

Now, you have to figure out how many combinations of possibilities you could have given those constraints.

My hint: Start with fewer tiles ... and just try it out. See if you can start to see the pattern.

Also ... I am starting to see the "orientation part" of the question.

Picture an outside piece. It might have a "flat edge" on one side. If you could look at the picture on the piece and see which "way" it went ... you would be able to narrow the place it went down to only 2 places.

I think by saying it could be oriented in any way ... it just means you can not just look at the piece and automatically know that it went on the top, for example.

Last edited by XenaAndGabrielle on Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:21 am, edited 2 times in total.

[Jetro]

Can someone shed some light on this new one for me. sort of stumped. I used to be good at math until.. ..i guess got lost in Calculus somewhere..

For this one,

4 corner pieces
4 inside pieces
8 outside pieces

Which to me means, that the 4 corner pieces will always remain there, and can only change amoungst themselves.

Same with the inside as well as the outside pieces.

Not asking anyone to give me the answer, as Im sure we all want that extra 2000 np ::grins:: Just someone care to point me into the right direction or assist me on this?

Thanks.

The way I read the question ... is that the 4 corner pieces can be arranged in a variery of different ways. But you know that it *is* a corner piece ... so each of those 4 pieces has to be in the corners.

Same with the inside and outside pieces.

Now, you have to figure out how many combinations of possibilities you could have.

My hint: Start with fewer tiles ... and just try it out. See if you can start to see the pattern.

Well - just did some toying around with the smaller numbers to see if i was on the right path. So just nudge me if i am or not.

for a combination of 4 numbers, there are 256 possible combinations? 4 to the exponent of 4?

Or am i like way off in left field? I came up with a 5 digit answer but not sure if im even remotely close...

[XenaAndGabrielle]

Well - just did some toying around with the smaller numbers to see if i was on the right path. So just nudge me if i am or not.

for a combination of 4 numbers, there are 256 possible combinations? 4 to the exponent of 4?

Or am i like way off in left field? I came up with a 5 digit answer but not sure if im even remotely close...

You could answer your own question ... just pick fewer tiles.

If you only had 2 tiles ... how many different ways could you orient them?

The answer is not 4 different ways.

[Jetro]

Well - just did some toying around with the smaller numbers to see if i was on the right path. So just nudge me if i am or not.

for a combination of 4 numbers, there are 256 possible combinations? 4 to the exponent of 4?

Or am i like way off in left field? I came up with a 5 digit answer but not sure if im even remotely close...

You could answer your own question ... just pick fewer tiles.

If you only had 2 tiles ... how many different ways could you orient them?

The answer is not 4 different ways.

Well, 2 in that case.

In the event of three, it would be pc1,pc2 pc3 - pc1,pc3,pc2 - pc2,pc1,pc3 - pc2,pc3,pc1 - pc3,pc2,pc1, pc3,pc1,pc2 (pc = piece), that be 6, right? or am i missing any?

[Jetro]

so 4 wouldnt be 256 combos, it actually be x amount combinations... correct?

Last edited by Jetro on Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:33 am, edited 1 time in total.

[XenaAndGabrielle]

Well - just did some toying around with the smaller numbers to see if i was on the right path. So just nudge me if i am or not.

for a combination of 4 numbers, there are 256 possible combinations? 4 to the exponent of 4?

Or am i like way off in left field? I came up with a 5 digit answer but not sure if im even remotely close...

You could answer your own question ... just pick fewer tiles.

If you only had 2 tiles ... how many different ways could you orient them?

The answer is not 4 different ways.

Well, 2 in that case.

In the event of three, it would be pc1,pc2 pc3 - pc1,pc3,pc2 - pc2,pc1,pc3 - pc2,pc3,pc1 - pc3,pc2,pc1, pc3,pc1,pc2 (pc = piece), that be 6, right? or am i missing any?

You aren't missing any. Now just expand your thinking to the current puzzle.

That's all the hints I can give, though.

[sirclucky]

I jsut assumed there was one way to orriante each peice and that the rest was trying to trick us. Sp basically four differnt edges, 8 sides, 4 middles and go from there. Hope im right

[XenaAndGabrielle]

I jsut assumed there was one way to orriante each peice and that the rest was trying to trick us. Sp basically four differnt edges, 8 sides, 4 middles and go from there. Hope im right

I think we almost *have* to assume that. Who knows, though ... the wording is strange.

And like I mentioned ... we can't assume the tiles are "square" anyway.


Edit: ALSO ... I think I understand how people are getting a 2 digit number. If people think there are only 12 total pieces (thinking along the lines of our own tablets ... since we had 4 pieces to begin with) ... you will get a 2 digit number.

It clearly states 16 pieces, though ... so I think my 5 digit answer should be right.

Last edited by XenaAndGabrielle on Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:13 am, edited 1 time in total.

[sillygurl]

Late to the game again. Has anyone got the answer yet because I got a two digit number but I had to round it and would like to confirm with someone else.


Neomania can I confirm with you since it sounds like you have the answer. I already set in my answer just curious if I'm right.

[jeffwulf]

I got a five digit number, but now that I think about it, I'm kinda thinking I needed to multiply a few more numbers into it.

[greenbugsy]

Is there anyone willing that I can check my number with, please??

[Shoyru-J]

Ooops. I thought there were 8 inside pieces Oo

[Anoohilator]

Awww man I did it wrong I thought there were 8 insides for some stupid reason