Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:13 am
Just an FYI or heads up. While it's considerably quieter than even yesterday, there are still some people saying they've been grabbed. This could be due to whoever grabbed accounts just holding onto them and keeping quiet about them and luring people to lookups or shops, etc. that have existing cg on them that TNT hasn't found or hasn't been able to clear. Not all accounts that were grabbed and cleaned out were frozen or even had the password changed. I read about 2 accounts like that today.
I suggested both times that aside from changing their password, their email or at least their email password, clearing everything in internet, that they also clear their lookups, shops, etc. just to be sure nothing was left on their accounts. It would be a real shame if innocent players were being used in this way, but I wouldn't put anything past whoever's responsible.
If you get any odd neomails from people asking you anything that would involve going to their lookup, or if as what happened in an instance earlier to someone I know, you bid on a trade and then get a neomail telling you that the person's making the item buyable and to go to their shop, you might want to think about passing on the item.
Personally, I'm all for TNT clearing everything a user can edit for the time being, even though someone advised me that even a plain lookup or shop could have a cg on it. I sure wish I had an answer or better advice. And I wish the best to TNT trying to get this mess cleared up and all those accounts returned.
I suggested both times that aside from changing their password, their email or at least their email password, clearing everything in internet, that they also clear their lookups, shops, etc. just to be sure nothing was left on their accounts. It would be a real shame if innocent players were being used in this way, but I wouldn't put anything past whoever's responsible.
If you get any odd neomails from people asking you anything that would involve going to their lookup, or if as what happened in an instance earlier to someone I know, you bid on a trade and then get a neomail telling you that the person's making the item buyable and to go to their shop, you might want to think about passing on the item.
Personally, I'm all for TNT clearing everything a user can edit for the time being, even though someone advised me that even a plain lookup or shop could have a cg on it. I sure wish I had an answer or better advice. And I wish the best to TNT trying to get this mess cleared up and all those accounts returned.
Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:39 am
I have all my edits saved as HTML files on my computer. I edit them on Homesite because the textboxes Neopets provides are too small to view the code (I hate having to use scrollbars), and then copy and paste them onto Neopets when I'm done 
I agree that they should do a wipe on editable content. That's the only sure way to get rid of the cookie grabbers, though they're probably considering this as a last resort.
I agree that they should do a wipe on editable content. That's the only sure way to get rid of the cookie grabbers, though they're probably considering this as a last resort.
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Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:40 am
scooterbay88 wrote:I got suspended on my scooterbay88 account for no reason.I haven't been on since yesterday!!
You can't be suspended for no reason. It gives you one.
Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:08 am
Actually, yes. [b]IF[/b] you didn't know, many people have gotten glitches. From that, they got suspended, frozen, and many others not telling why. So please ask before you speak. 
Thanks hun.
Thanks hun.
Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:02 am
scooterbay88 wrote:Actually, yes. IF you didn't know, many people have gotten glitches. From that, they got suspended, frozen, and many others not telling why. So please ask before you speak.
If a glitch happens to you, you should report it properly and wait for a response before further touching anything that was related to that glitch. There is always a reason for suspensions and freezings. They may just be really odd/unfair reasons.
People often get frozen/suspended for something they didn't do, but it WAS something they did that triggered it, if that makes sense... O.o
Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:12 am
scooterbay88 wrote:Actually, yes. IF you didn't know, many people have gotten glitches. From that, they got suspended, frozen, and many others not telling why. So please ask before you speak.
Hun?
When you log in, it gives a reason. Yes, that reason may be incorrect - it's happened to me before. But there's still a reason- so don't go telling me they suspended you for no reason, because it's not true.
Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:38 pm
If the person who put the CG's everywhere doesn't live in the states, can they still get prosecuted by the US law? I mean, can they still get fined, etc?
Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:00 pm
Asparagus Queen wrote:If the person who put the CG's everywhere doesn't live in the states, can they still get prosecuted by the US law? I mean, can they still get fined, etc?
If the person is in a country with extradition treaty with the US, I think they may get turned over. If not, TNT just needs some nice CIA connections and the CGer with 'disappear' with no questions asked. Unless the person is in a country that doesn't have laws against these sort of actions, I doubt s/he would get off free if caught. It would be a shame if we can't abuse the NSA's illegal wiretaps and the PATRIOT act to catch a simple, two-bit computer geek.
Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:41 pm
Wow, Sky, that sounds like something from a John LeCarré novel.
Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:19 pm
It doesn't really, I see no Russians, Germans, or whatnot. I think it sounds more like NRA talk
Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:59 pm
I was re-stocking my shop today. Checking the prices at the wiz, I saw a bargain. A chocolate that other people sell for about 310 NP, 350 max, offered by 50 NP
Normally, I would jump right away.
Today, I stopped in fear. Could be a CG? Could be an innocent typing mistake? Could be the person was feeling generous? Could be...?
Could, could, if, if, if.
For the first time, I felt something about neopets that was not connected with fun.
Hope things return to normal quickly
Normally, I would jump right away.
Today, I stopped in fear. Could be a CG? Could be an innocent typing mistake? Could be the person was feeling generous? Could be...?
Could, could, if, if, if.
For the first time, I felt something about neopets that was not connected with fun.
Hope things return to normal quickly
Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:08 am
One of the things that annoys me the most about this? The fact that TNT isn't telling us anything - isn't letting any of the users know what's going on, or officially acknowledging that there is a problem. It's like if they don't tell the users, it doesn't exist.
A news post is all we need. Acknowledge there's a problem, that it's being worked on, and that the users of Neopets are actual intelligent people who deserve to know what's going on. We're not just mindless minions going about our business making neopoints, caring for our pets and clicking sponsor pages - we are what is keeping Neopets profitable - so TNT, treat us like we matter.
I bet if we contacted a couple of their large sponsors about this, it would get fixed quick-smart.
A news post is all we need. Acknowledge there's a problem, that it's being worked on, and that the users of Neopets are actual intelligent people who deserve to know what's going on. We're not just mindless minions going about our business making neopoints, caring for our pets and clicking sponsor pages - we are what is keeping Neopets profitable - so TNT, treat us like we matter.
I bet if we contacted a couple of their large sponsors about this, it would get fixed quick-smart.
Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:11 am
Agreed. The only reason my shop isn't empty is because of my recent aquisition of the packrat avvie (pre-cookie grabbers). I've got over a thousand items in my SDB ready for sale.
If/when that stock runs out, then I'll go insane from the lack of income.
Edit: I was referring to blues-maroo's post. Ledi must have posted while I was typing. But I share her sentiments as well.
If/when that stock runs out, then I'll go insane from the lack of income.
Edit: I was referring to blues-maroo's post. Ledi must have posted while I was typing. But I share her sentiments as well.
Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:46 am
I have no real respect for Kaos. I will admit that he has some knowledge and skills and is resourceful, but that's not the same as respecting him. He's causing problems and bringing the problem to the attention of TNT in a destructive manner, unlike dolphinling here who managed to get their attention without causing any problems at all. There was a better way to go about this and he's doing it in an immature manner, trying to get fame and attention.
Neopets has seen the chaos (no pun intended) that is caused by allowing misinformation to spread. They need to start addressing the issue with their userbase. People are confused, scared, angry and frustrated. They need to start treating us like the intelligent people we (or a good portion of us, anyway) are and give us some kind of info, update, or at least reassurance.
Nothing.
Though... *cough* If TNT felt like offering me a job... since it's kind of obvious they need me...
I, for one, would feel safer with you on the team. No code is perfect, but there's obviously plenty of problems that were missed around here.
Neopets has seen the chaos (no pun intended) that is caused by allowing misinformation to spread. They need to start addressing the issue with their userbase. People are confused, scared, angry and frustrated. They need to start treating us like the intelligent people we (or a good portion of us, anyway) are and give us some kind of info, update, or at least reassurance.
dolphinling wrote:Skynetmain wrote:2- How much do we owe you for your ungodly ability to sift through code to make sure it is safe?
Nothing.
Though... *cough* If TNT felt like offering me a job... since it's kind of obvious they need me...
I, for one, would feel safer with you on the team. No code is perfect, but there's obviously plenty of problems that were missed around here.
Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:05 am
*trounces in at 3:47 AM x_X*
NEW INFO!! (Or at least, according to my resources)
Thanks to everconfused, I got some lovely screenies and information *huggles* THANKS!
This ups the team to 3 people. (I wasn't too far off.) According to another member of our team:
Kaos (Chase) = public relations/'shell' if you will (we agree that he doesn't know much)
Infamous = host of CGer/part-time scripter
Xero = Main scripter/distribution of codes
Makes sense.
The screenie wasn't in the album.. maybe you can upload it/link me there? I'm not that informative on hacks/programs.. though another mod is slightly skeptical if its truly aliasxneo. I'm too paranoid to check the link.. and of course, I don't see the code.. so I dunno. 'Sides, me and others agree he's more a programmer. Competitor... possibly. But highly unlikely. Unless he found the directory as well (which i'm slightly unsure about) he cannot be one, unless he has his own CGer.
I highly doubt that she IS a member.. though there is a small chance she is. Probably wanted some attention... and blah. You can assume a lot about one person if they know a lot about something. (I was accused of being 'Kaos' at least 20 times due to knowledge-posting on board. ><')
I have a fair few screenies.. though i'm rather reluctant to put them here. Why? It's due in part to the code dolphinling posted. Informative yes, but it included the link to the CG directory. At that, somebody attempted to flood the CGer (good attempt at 500k - try our 7.5MB). Meh.. I'm not too worried about that. What I AM worried about was a post that someone put at the forums at that link.
A person decided to act as TNT and post accusations and threatened to file a lawsuit in a way. His claim (assuming it is a male) was that he was trying to warn the owner that someone was using his space to host such a thing. My only problem is this.. while a person can have access to webspace (assuming it's given) - it's unlikely that he can, unless he forced his way in.. do you see where I'm going with this? A'sides.. the post had horrible grammar.. which insinuates this person is no where near affiliated with TNT.
Anyhow yeah. Since the screenies post his info.. I rather not have hoards of people attack him. Might as well send it straight to TNT (though.. still pending).
NEW INFO!! (Or at least, according to my resources)
Thanks to everconfused, I got some lovely screenies and information *huggles* THANKS!
Someone posted on the bd board last night, rather angry that kaos was getting the "credit" for all of this. InfamousX241 posted that he and someone named Xero (Luke) was really responsible for all of the codes. Xero is allegedly known around these places where infamous and kaos hang out.
This ups the team to 3 people. (I wasn't too far off.
) According to another member of our team:Kaos (Chase) = public relations/'shell' if you will (we agree that he doesn't know much)
Infamous = host of CGer/part-time scripter
Xero = Main scripter/distribution of codes
Makes sense.
Also, someone named AliasXNeo (aliasxne0 and azultalons on the boards) was posting a url to what they said was something of kaos - -edited link- and last night was posting full js codes under the azultalons name on the BDc. I don't know if that's the same person or a "competitor". I also don't know what exactly he (or she) was posting. I do have a ss of one of the boards with the js code if that would help.
The screenie wasn't in the album.. maybe you can upload it/link me there?
I'm not that informative on hacks/programs.. though another mod is slightly skeptical if its truly aliasxneo. I'm too paranoid to check the link.. and of course, I don't see the code.. so I dunno. 'Sides, me and others agree he's more a programmer. Competitor... possibly. But highly unlikely. Unless he found the directory as well (which i'm slightly unsure about) he cannot be one, unless he has his own CGer.Lastly, there is someone called londonxcalling on neo - Michelle - who is apparently a minion of kaos and was posting boards over the weekend giving stolen items to other users and claims to be a very good friend of kaos. I don't know any other name for her, but she posts a decent amount and seems very proud that she's involved at all with this.
I highly doubt that she IS a member.. though there is a small chance she is. Probably wanted some attention... and blah. You can assume a lot about one person if they know a lot about something. (I was accused of being 'Kaos' at least 20 times due to knowledge-posting on board. ><')
I have a fair few screenies.. though i'm rather reluctant to put them here. Why? It's due in part to the code dolphinling posted. Informative yes, but it included the link to the CG directory. At that, somebody attempted to flood the CGer (good attempt at 500k - try our 7.5MB
). Meh.. I'm not too worried about that. What I AM worried about was a post that someone put at the forums at that link.
A person decided to act as TNT and post accusations and threatened to file a lawsuit in a way. His claim (assuming it is a male) was that he was trying to warn the owner that someone was using his space to host such a thing. My only problem is this.. while a person can have access to webspace (assuming it's given) - it's unlikely that he can, unless he forced his way in.. do you see where I'm going with this? A'sides.. the post had horrible grammar.. which insinuates this person is no where near affiliated with TNT.
Anyhow yeah. Since the screenies post his info.. I rather not have hoards of people attack him. Might as well send it straight to TNT (though.. still pending).