Stonehenge

[Carson]

Stonehenge has been in the news recently for obvious reasons. Yesturday it emerged that Stonehenge's stones came from Wales and that Welsh people had infact in some respect built stonehenge (Either all of it, with help of others, or they helped)

Anyhow you can read more about that part of the story here : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/3823387.stm

The most amazing thing is not that Welshpeople helped the building of this structure or the fact that the stones travelled so far, but rather the Archdruid had Ordered that they be returned to Wales.

Since the Stone of Destiny was returned to Scotland a few years since, and it is clearly only a matter of time until the Elgin Marbles are returned to Greece, may I express a request that Stonehenge be returned to Wales?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3830547.stm

Will Stonehenge be returned to Wales, What are your views on this matter? Is stonehenge the property of Wales?

[Bob]

Not being a druid nor a hippy. I'm not really bothered. If you want them, you can keep them PP. Enjoy!

[Carson]

Not being a druid nor a hippy. I'm not really bothered. If you want them, you can keep them PP. Enjoy!

Oh come on Bob, It's a part of history, regardless of wether or not someone is a "Hippy" or a "Druid".

There must be some element of pride in your hearts that long ago people managed to carry those stones so far and erect them in such a fashion.

[Nessa]

Thats really interesting Mat, thanks for posting that here. I hope it gets returned, it seems only fair.

[Bob]

I don't know about pride, but I would certainly question their sanity. If you want wonderment, then look at the pyramids. I don't mean to belittle the achievement at all, but all that hocus pocus makes me want read a book. If you take away the point of bringing them then it looks a little too much like a huge waste of time, impressive though it may be.

At least the pyramids had a proper use. There was no dancing around those babies in a kaftan at three in the morning, I can tell you.

[Dragonfire]

At least the pyramids had a proper use. There was no dancing around those babies in a kaftan at three in the morning, I can tell you.

The Stonehenge may have had a proper use... Also, I don't think they should be returned, because it would be impossible to put them back in the position they're in now.

[Carson]

I don't know about pride, but I would certainly question their sanity. If you want wonderment, then look at the pyramids. I don't mean to belittle the achievement at all, but all that hocus pocus makes me want read a book. If you take away the point of bringing them then it looks a little too much like a huge waste of time, impressive though it may be.

At least the pyramids had a proper use. There was no dancing around those babies in a kaftan at three in the morning, I can tell you.

I would have to agree with you there. The pyramids had a more definate use, where as Stonehenge was well...Kinda pointless, But it mattered to them in the bronze age. The pyramids were a far greater engineering feat. But Stonehenge represents something that is dying in britain, culture. Nowdays it seems to be a takeaway and watching the football. We should aim to preserve our heritage and such.

[Paul]

As I say on behalf for a certain Welshman I know.




Wales > England


Go Wales! They should fight for is rightfully their own!

[ahoteinrun]

What is meant by "returned" to Wales. That something on englands ground should be returned? Thats bull in my opinion. They're ROCKS people. Big ROCKS.
The only reason that it's important is because of the fact that Stonehenge is a big of an enigma, and a very cool formation (i've been there twice now, and my sister studied it extensivly when she worked in Britain.) It's Stonehenge, it's traditionally known as British. Thats like saying that all the marble in the vatican should be returned to it's respective countries, since it was PLUNDERED from all over the world.
Tis a crock and a stupid argument.
It's on English Soil, and upon english soil it should remain.

Edit: Upon thinking more...

Stonehenge just isn't about the stones, it's also about the ditches. and the hills around it. It's far more then just "rocks". *shakes head* It would be bloody well impossible to move successfully. It's too big. Those stones are huge. And the only way you could move them would be to use heavy equipment, which would ruin the surrounding area.

If every rock was returned to every quarry from whence it came, then the world would be bare of quite a few cities. Including a fair bit in Ireland and Wales.

[Nessa]

I dunno Ahoteinrun. Yes it would be impossible to move stonehenge successfully, but would it not be possible for the Nation of Wales to 'own' it without moving it? I think there is some sort of compromise here, that doesn't involve moving stonehenge.

When I said returned earlier, I meant returned in spirit and recognition, not necessarily moving stonehenge to Wales.

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[Christopher]

I think not. Wales may have built them but they are an English Icon...

[shortin]

I think they should just keep them where they are because they been there for soo many years. To me it would be pretty pointless to move them.

[Bob]

I don't know about pride, but I would certainly question their sanity. If you want wonderment, then look at the pyramids. I don't mean to belittle the achievement at all, but all that hocus pocus makes me want read a book. If you take away the point of bringing them then it looks a little too much like a huge waste of time, impressive though it may be.

At least the pyramids had a proper use. There was no dancing around those babies in a kaftan at three in the morning, I can tell you.

I would have to agree with you there. The pyramids had a more definate use, where as Stonehenge was well...Kinda pointless, But it mattered to them in the bronze age. The pyramids were a far greater engineering feat. But Stonehenge represents something that is dying in britain, culture. Nowdays it seems to be a takeaway and watching the football. We should aim to preserve our heritage and such.

Ever tried to get permission to fill Lake Windermere with sand or paint St Pauls Catherdral pink? Maybe you could build an apartment block in the place of the Houses of Parliament? Culture isn't dying in Britain and neither is our heritage or history. Do you know how much money is ploughed into restoration projects in the UK every year, never mind the modern architecture that will become contemporary, modern heritage?

We have a more diverse culture in Britain than we have ever enjoyed before. When you therefore suggest upping it and moving Stonehenge back to Wales, what does that suggest about our national heritage and pride? Personally, I don't care for Stonehenge that much, but each to their own, I guess.

People still liked watching football one hundred years ago. Ask a Bolton Wanderers fan. Granted, Stonehenge has been there a lot longer, but do you think for a minute that the heritage and pride you're suggesting was any different in the days of Victoria and Albert? Next you'll be suggesting that we re-introduce smog in London, to keep it feeling authentic.

Besides all that, the trouble was taken getting it there because of it's location in comparison with the stars in the sky. Moving it would be tantamount to herecy in some quarters, the same quarters that tried so hard to get it there in the first place. Why would you want to move it back to Wales anyway? What would be the point? Stick it in a museum maybe?

[Shoyru_Lover]

Well, I'm not really surprised actually. Slaves a long time ago were forced to endure really horrendos conditions. *sigh* Where was the work union back then?

[Bob]

Well, I'm not really surprised actually. Slaves a long time ago were forced to endure really horrendos conditions. *sigh* Where was the work union back then?

Nope, you'll have to explain that to me. I've read it a few times and it still doesn't make sense. I was tempted to ignore it entirely, but I just can't resist finding out what tangent you've gone off on.

Am I missing a quote somewhere? I must be being a bit dense, but where did you get slaves from, precisely?