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http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/writing/nomic.htm for information about Nomic.

Nomic is a game about making rules. Anyone may jump in at any time, and daily participation isn't necessarily required.

I will edit new rules into this thread. Please include as much detail as possible in proposed new rules: instead of, "Xyzzy doesn't have to obey the rules," say, "Rule 101 does not apply to Xyzzy."

These are the rules (slightly modified):

101. All players must always abide by all the rules then in effect, in the form in which they are then in effect. The rules in the Initial Set are in effect whenever a game begins. The Initial Set consists of Rules 101-116 (immutable) and 201-213 (mutable).

102. Initially rules in the 100's are immutable and rules in the 200's are mutable. Rules subsequently enacted or transmuted (that is, changed from immutable to mutable or vice versa) may be immutable or mutable regardless of their numbers, and rules in the Initial Set may be transmuted regardless of their numbers.

103. A rule-change is any of the following: (1) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of a mutable rule; (2) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of an amendment of a mutable rule; or (3) the transmutation of an immutable rule into a mutable rule or vice versa.

104. All rule-changes proposed in the proper way shall be voted on. They will be adopted if and only if they receive 51% "YES" votes.

105. Every player is an eligible voter. Anyone may vote "YES" or "NO" on a rule at any time in the 24 hours after its suggestion. Players may reverse votes or remove them entirely. Players may vote "CONTINUE" to extend the length of discussion for a rule as lnog as necessary. Otherwise, a 24-hour limit will be enforced.

106. All proposed rule-changes shall be written down before they are voted on. If they are adopted, they shall guide play in the form in which they were voted on.

107. No rule-change may take effect earlier than the moment of the completion of the vote that adopted it, even if its wording explicitly states otherwise. No rule-change may have retroactive application.

108. Each proposed rule-change shall be given a number for reference. The numbers shall begin with 301, and each rule-change proposed in the proper way shall receive the next successive integer, whether or not the proposal is adopted.

If a rule is repealed and reenacted, it receives the number of the proposal to reenact it. If a rule is amended or transmuted, it receives the number of the proposal to amend or transmute it. If an amendment is amended or repealed, the entire rule of which it is a part receives the number of the proposal to amend or repeal the amendment.

109. Rule-changes that transmute immutable rules into mutable rules may be adopted if and only if the vote is unanimous among the eligible voters. Transmutation shall not be implied, but must be stated explicitly in a proposal to take effect.

110. In a conflict between a mutable and an immutable rule, the immutable rule takes precedence and the mutable rule shall be entirely void. For the purposes of this rule a proposal to transmute an immutable rule does not "conflict" with that immutable rule.

111. If a rule-change as proposed is unclear, ambiguous, paradoxical, or destructive of play, or if it arguably consists of two or more rule-changes compounded or is an amendment that makes no difference, or if it is otherwise of questionable value, then the other players may suggest amendments or argue against the proposal before the vote. A reasonable time must be allowed for this debate. The proponent decides the final form in which the proposal is to be voted on and, unless the Judge has been asked to do so, also decides the time to end debate and vote.

112. The state of affairs that constitutes winning may not be altered from achieving n points to any other state of affairs. The magnitude of n and the means of earning points may be changed, and rules that establish a winner when play cannot continue may be enacted and (while they are mutable) be amended or repealed. (N shall be decided as play goes by.)

114. There must always be at least one mutable rule. The adoption of rule-changes must never become completely impermissible.

115. Rule-changes that affect rules needed to allow or apply rule-changes are as permissible as other rule-changes. Even rule-changes that amend or repeal their own authority are permissible. No rule-change or type of move is impermissible solely on account of the self-reference or self-application of a rule.

116. Whatever is not prohibited or regulated by a rule is permitted and unregulated, with the sole exception of changing the rules, which is permitted only when a rule or set of rules explicitly or implicitly permits it.

201. As many new rules as needed may be suggested per day, and each player may suggest one rule every other day.

202. The number of points for having a rule enacted shall be (291-x)/(a/b), where x is the number of the vote, a is the number of "yes" votes, and "b" is the number of votes, rounded to the nearest integer.

204. If and when rule-changes can be adopted without unanimity, the players who vote against winning proposals shall receive 10 points each.

205. An adopted rule-change takes full effect at the end of the decided voting-time.

206. When a proposed rule-change is defeated, the player who proposed it loses 10 points.

207. Each player always has exactly one vote.

209. At no time may there be more than 25 mutable rules.

211. If two or more mutable rules conflict with one another, or if two or more immutable rules conflict with one another, then the rule with the lowest ordinal number takes precedence.

If at least one of the rules in conflict explicitly says of itself that it defers to another rule (or type of rule) or takes precedence over another rule (or type of rule), then such provisions shall supersede the numerical method for determining precedence.

If two or more rules claim to take precedence over one another or to defer to one another, then the numerical method again governs.

212. If players disagree about the legality of a move or the interpretation or application of a rule, then the player preceding the one moving is to be the Judge and decide the question. Disagreement for the purposes of this rule may be created by the insistence of any player. This process is called invoking Judgment.

When Judgment has been invoked, the next player may not begin his or her turn without the consent of a majority of the other players.

The Judge's Judgment may be overruled only by a unanimous vote of the other players taken before the next turn is begun. If a Judge's Judgment is overruled, then the player preceding the Judge in the playing order becomes the new Judge for the question, and so on, except that no player is to be Judge during his or her own turn or during the turn of a team-mate.

Unless a Judge is overruled, one Judge settles all questions arising from the game until the next turn is begun, including questions as to his or her own legitimacy and jurisdiction as Judge.

New Judges are not bound by the decisions of old Judges. New Judges may, however, settle only those questions on which the players currently disagree and that affect the completion of the turn in which Judgment was invoked. All decisions by Judges shall be in accordance with all the rules then in effect; but when the rules are silent, inconsistent, or unclear on the point at issue, then the Judge shall consider game-custom and the spirit of the game before applying other standards.

213. If the rules are changed so that further play is impossible, or if the legality of a move cannot be determined with finality, or if by the Judge's best reasoning, not overruled, a move appears equally legal and illegal, then the first player unable to complete a turn is the winner.

This rule takes precedence over every other rule determining the winner.

301. All integers in mutable roles go up by 1. ~ Xyzzy

302. 302 is immutable. ~ Xyzzy

Law 303 - All immutable laws must contain at least 10 vowels. ~ Skynetmain

Law 304: That law 305 be posted in chat speak. ~ Mjirinella

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For the game's first proposed rule, I shall declare that...

301. All integers in mutable roles go up by 1.

And I shall YES: 301.

RachEdit: Please do not double post. IF you wish to add more please use the edit button to change your previous post.

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Since no one's posted here (despite promises otherwise, grr-ness), 301 went through.

302. 302 is immutable.

YES: 302.

A rather silly law, but it opens up lots of oppurtunity if necessary later on.

I vote No on Prop 17!
Yes: 301
Aye on the Iraq Funding Bill
Nay to House Res 1138

And propose:
Law 303 - All immutable laws must contain at least 10 vowels.

I vote: Yes on 303 and No on 302

I am Sky and I approve this message.

Darn! Shot down! It was a free immutable law, in case we ever stop being able to make them, too. This is so much more fun when we preemptively assume we'll do stupid things.

Yes on 303.

I don't get it... so we just vote on stuff? I'm sure it's much more complicated, but I can't seem to understand the rules.

Yes: 302
Yes: 303

I propose:

Law 304: That law 305 be posted in chat speak.

I vote YES on law 304.

305: 1N 73H FU7U123, L@\/\/$ /\/\@Y 0N1Y C0|\|C312|\| C0N73N7, |\|07 $7Y13.
(In the future, laws may only concern content, not style.)

I vote...
No on 305

Is there a point system or anything, or is it just voting on laws? If there isn't a point system, I think I get it.

There's a point system, but no one's really paying attention to it.

It doesn't matter, since right now the points don't serve any purpose.